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Im not sure i understand the premise of the question. It seems you assume strong and weak opinions correlate to "correct opinions". If someone has an opinion on something its always based on other things that person assumes are facts. If the person should learn those facts were wrong it doesn't matter wether the opinion is strong or not. I have strong opinions on some things and weak on others but with all of them, if discussed with someone and i should learn something an opinion was based on was wrong id certainly be proned to change it even if it was rock hard, depending ofc on how much of the opinion was based on the particular fact. However if were talking those opinions that even when explored come up with more or less no facts to hang on or at least trivial facts, like say f. ex you like the toilet seat down after use while your partner finds it a hassle, then your question seems more about how much compromise ability people are looking for in a partner. Because then were essentially talking about sacrifice. I live with a gal and a guy, she asked me to do it once, i said i would try to remember, i did it a couple of times incoherently before i stopped, i never had any intentions of doing it at all just wanted to make it seem like i tried. If it was someone i was romantically involved with and wasn't known to manipulate, not too much at least as everyone does so to some extent, i would gladly and proudly do it every time. If it was a manipulator (or a leash holder if you want) i would pull the same strat as i already did with the gal i live with even if i was romantically involved with them. So to me your question seems more about how much compromise ability were looking for than strong or weak opinions?
It can be framed that way too, yes.
Sorry it just reminds of a similar if not same topic about clint eastwood doing the dishes: everyone agrees that he's a, for lack of better words, "a real man" right? But in today society mayne clint would be a bit too much of a man, he's certainly not ever gonna do the dishes now is he? Why, because his opinion is that its a womans job. Im guessing we also expect this opinion to be strong, but he could compromise a little and do them sometimes. The real question is if he does it too much is he a pussy/pushover/weak opinionated (in askers words)? If you're married to him and he does the dishes everyday, waits for you at home with dinner, hangs on your every word etc. Will the flame or rather your interest wither? "Do the dishes one too many times and you're a pussy"
It depends upon what kind of the opinions she has.
If they are well established like she has a positive, progressive and optimistic approach to the things in life, I'd not mind. But if not, then it'd be a serious problem. I cannot settle with a bigot.
I also don't want a gullible person who can easily be influenced by negative people. That'd be dangerous. What I want is someone who is ready to learn at every aspect of her life. Who accepts every positive change. There is no limit to learn. Such people are the horses of long race.
"Knowledgeable never changes his opinions, the wise always do"
- @HandsomeRaj
It depends on the level of intellect said person is equipped with. If the person is highly intellectual then opinionated is good since their formed opinions would more likely be based on facts and then we could have a great time arguing points and trying to get the other to see our perspective when having intellectual discussions. At the same time a person with a higher intellectual level would also be objective enough to concede if or when their stance is proven wrong in an argument. This is the ideal idea for me.
But if the person is not very intellectual then my preference would not be someone highly opinionated since they would be less open to conceding when they are proven wrong but would rather take a "wrong and strong" approach. In a relationship, someone who is going to stand for what they believe in regardless of if their stance is nonsensical is just a no for me, a person has to have some sense of reasoning and balance and putting silly pride aside. Because refusing to admit you are wrong in a discussion just reads as false pride to me.
I definitely prefer people in general who have their own opinions, even if we happen to disagree. It just makes for more engaging and interesting conversations. I've always thought that people who easily change their opinions or are easily influenced by others, are total doormats. It also comes off as less genuine to me, like they're more likely to change their opinion based on who they're with, just to please everyone around them. So in the end it feels like you don't even know who they are or what they think, because it changes daily. And for me trust is important, in every single aspect, so if I feel like someone isn't being genuine or they're constantly agreeing with everyone, even if everyone is of a different opinion, I believe I won't be able to trust them and they might go against me behind my back. At least with someone who's opinionated, you know upfront what they think and believe, even if we disagree with each other.
Hmm kind of depends on the context as well.. I like people who know what they stand for, but who are willing to try and understand your pov. Some people are like "what I'm saying is 100% truth" and they aren't even trying to understand (even when they are wrong → they view their opinion (s) as facts ).
Someone who is flexible, has an open mind and is able to reflect from time to time. ✔
Changing an opinion to make people like you is a no go for me. One moment they say this, you tell them you like the opposite and suddenly they have another opinion...
A mix of both. I want someone to be well enough informed to hold their own, but not so stubborn as to defy change when it's needed. I generally lean a little towards the opinionated because those make more interesting discussion partners. Great question by the way.
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You don't want either some who won't their opinion on anything, even with a bunch of new information, nor do you want someone so malleable that they change their opinion too easily or just to please others. Something in the middle of those two extremes?
* someone who won't
Diplomats.
They know when to be opiniated and when to be malleable. Or most of the time, they'll chose the middle path.
Anyway from above two options, I'd like someone whose opinions are malleable, is open to other ideas and point of views and is not afraid to point out what he thinks wrong and right. I think these types of people are always learning and they know that they don't know everything.
I'd want someone in the middle. I don't want a push over but I want someone strong in their beliefs where I can have an educated conversation with them. Option A sounds like a guy who won't move in his thoughts even if he's wrong and Option B just sounds like a wuss.
A partner with changeable opinions, i like open minded people BUT i don't want them to be easily lead or manipulated by others, so at least some of there opinions set in stone.
People with well-established opinions can get carried away with their opinions to the point where they are labeled irritating or argumentive.
If she has a healthy way of displaying her well-established opinions to people, including me, then I am all for it as there very likely is something she knows that I might enjoy learning.
However, if she just wants to push her idea/ideas down others throats for the sake of "winning" then she is not what I would consider "keeper" material. This would be a deal breaker for me.
Ironic coming from you 😂😂
@availableuponrequest lol Ya, I suppose it is... Just a tad bit... lol
I personally don't believe in such a thing as open/close mindedness.
Opinions are the result of your capacity to make informed opinions via the combination of logical reasoning and information availability.
I would, of course, prefer a partner with intellectual capacity sufficient enough to make informed opinions on a regular basis, someone who employs logical reasoning, rather than emotions, to form their opinions.
Someone who is never going to budge when they are right, but at the same time, someone who readily changes their opinion as soon as new information presents itself.
The capacity to make informed opinions via logical reasoning and available information still lack depth, to me. A person who never uses emotional analyses in decision making regarding themselves or their opinion has little capacity to prove their personal standpoint (needs, wants, dreams, goals, strengths, weaknesses, commitment) - in my opinion.
Certainly, this depends on the area of discussion. Work (deliverance, goals, improvements) where patterns are easy to maintain and certain ways will lead to success; where statistics are essential and profit is the goal. Sure. However, emotions are needed in the same situation, not so much in the structure of "why", but certainly in the creation of "how", if reaching the goal involves people.
I appreciate logical reasoning and informed opinions any day, but a person unable to tap into emotional nuances in order to deepen an opinion or understanding of sorts, is somewhat limited to me. I find the balance between the two to be key.
@SkyeMind I don't see how basing your opinions on objective analysis of all relevant factors is shallow.
"Tapping into" your irrational impulses brought forth by chemical imbalances in your brain that you have no control over is shallow.
In a way, involving your feelings is no decision making at all.
This is why the most ignorant and opinionated views are based on emotions, rather than reason.
@Kurαȷ "Tapping into" your irrational impulses brought forth by chemical imbalances in your brain that you have no control over is shallow."
I actually love when that comes up - it's the first thing a "thinker" will respond with to a "feeler's" opinion. The play is honorable, and the thinker "always win". However that's not really true. To undermine emotional intelligence as "irrational behavior" is incredibly juvenile to me.
That is a limited view of what a human being is capable of through actually understanding and deciphering human behavior emotionally (experiences, triggers and auto-responses due to the firing and wiring of neurons in the brain). We're not robots.
I didn't say your views were shallow, just to be clear. You come a long way in life with logical reasoning and statistic based information. However, it is my opinion, that in the end of that reasoning, you will still miss the value that "emotional intelligence" provides.
@SkyeMind "We're not robots."
Yes, we are.
The universe is inherently deterministic, and so is human biology.
The thinker always wins because there is always the most efficient solution, finding that solution depends on the amount of information available to you and your ability to process it.
The only thing emotions serve is your ego, and your ego is the thing you should listen to the least.
It's "juvenile" to see emotions, an objectively worthless and self-serving byproduct of human cognition, as anything more than a detriment.
You know we will need to agree to disagree.
It sounds perfect, doesn't it, to be able to narrow it down in boxed concepts and logical patterns for "the most efficient solution". I agreed to that. Thinkers are fabulous in those situations. It is even more amazing, following the analyses of such dissection; the aha-moments and the strapping of emotional turmoil to find that very thing that solves "it all". But it doesn't. It might be the "efficient" solution but not always the right answer.
I'm surrounded by Thinkers, who in their every day mind need to always win with logical advantages and "most efficient solution". My best friends are ultimate Thinkers. They also sometimes "wing it", for reactions. Repeat opinions, analyses, scientific data to back it up. Usage of formal words to add weight. I applaud Thinkers capacity for theoretical advantages and pattern analyses (even in human behavior); and learned a lot from the interactions through such discussions.
I just don't agree.
I don't particularly mind it if somebody is opinionated or whose opinions are malleable. I think everyone is opinionated about many things, whereas their opinions on other things may be malleable. The main thing is that the partner is open to other opinions.
Anyway, I think I'll go for someone whose opinions are malleable since to me it's rather unhealthy if one continues to share a certain view without it ever being open to influence or change. But then I ought to admit that I have some specific opinions that I'm not willing to change.
"A woman having an opinion is like a man having a womb. Leave the opinions to the men." Says no one in this day and age.
Joking aside, I like a partner who has her own opinions, and stands by them, though she should still be open minded.
It goes both ways.
I have strong opinions, but the great thing about my girlfriend, her opinions have changed mine, and vice versa.
It's kept me grounded, and keeps me from making a fool of myself. It's given me another point of view.
She's more to the left, and I'm more to the right.
It's okay if my partner and I don't agree on everything, but understanding must be present. I will not be with someone who only sees from their perspective and doesn't respect the opinions of others. Stubbornness is not a turn on for me. I like having someone I can debate with but someone who refuse to talk things out without an argument, refuses to imagine what it's like in someone else's shoes is someone I wouldn't just refuse to date but even associate with. Closemindedness has no room in my life.
Certainly points are non negotiable. We sjould have similar morals and values. Others are open to debate. Compromise is key in relationships. As someone who has a life long genetic health issue, i couldn't be with someone who opposed stem cell research and universal healthcare for example. But i could be with a repulican, even though I'm Democrat. I am willing to hear different sides to every story and make up my mind and hope my partner would listen to my ideas. But some issues are too personal in my opinion.
A partner that even though has opinions is not making a goal out of changing mine.
I never thought that politics can bring damage to a relationship, but I now understand, in the light of what happened around the world in terms of politics, immigration.
There are some girls that I've met, who game me the feeling they would literally brake the relationship if we were together.
That's how exaggerated and "opinionated" they were.
I don't care about changing opinions either.
I just say mine, you say yours and then we can have a nice hot fuck on the kitchen counter. That's the person I want.
well established opinion doesn't mean opiniated. Opiniated usually isn't a well established opinion but rather a person who has judgments that are usually wrong and won't budge from them no matter the facts.
A well established opinion is an opinion that relies on logic and is changeable by logic only and has goodthought behind before uttering any stupidity like the opiniated person.
So yeah I want a partner who has a well established opinion but not an opiniated partner neither a partner with easily changeable opinions
I'd rather be with someone who is open minded and can change their mind if new information presents itself, not a stubborn, closed minded person who sticks to their opinions no matter what. I find those people very annoying and often they are quite stupid as well.
Please do not conflate being cultured or intellectual with being opinionated. Many people are opinionated but that doesn't make them smart or good people, usually it's the opposite.
I find heavily opinionated people are harder to get along with, make you feel more on guard, are less sympathetic, and will often go out of their way just to argue with people.
One of the smartest opinions I've read on this site.
You know while I am still attracted to women to date, I then just stand there and think and reflect on all the bull$hit of being with a woman and I start changing my mind about the whole thing.
Actually, now I prefer her to speak a foreign language so that I cannot understand that much.
Therefore, it does not matter to me if her opinions are strong or malleable.
I would like to have a partner that is interested and curious about philosophical, political and social issues and have well thought out opinions. However, they should be able to have reasonable, nonjudgemental conversations about their opinions and be open to facts and new information and reconsider or solidify their stances without throwing a tantrum.
I want her to have her own set of core beliefs & principles but I ant her to be open minded all kinds of experiences & intellectual concepts. We should be able to talk about & debate anything never knowing which one of us will gain new perspective on the topic.
I prefer someone who isn't afraid to change opinions IF he isn't afraid of new evidence or information and thinks critically about it. I don't want someone to change opinions just because he's wishy-washy or under pressure or undue influence.
I also don't want someone who refuses to change opinions out of pride or stubbornness or ego.
I think both are bad under certain circumstances. For instance if their opinion is backed by hard facts, then yes I want them to have a well established opinion, but I would also want them to be malleable in that if new information comes to light then you should be able to change your opinion with it. I wouldn't want them to be pig headed and hold onto an opinion that is clearly wrong just as I wouldn't want them to change their opinion based upon the moment. Moderation and balance is key.
In between, I don’t want someone who is incapable of being educated and being willing to change their opinion when proven wrong. I think it’s important people grow and that means our thoughts sometimes change.
But I’d not want someone who always agreed with me just because
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