I REALLY need the opinion of Atheists and Christians. (Page 2)

[Blackkid2011]

This is offensive. The Argument for Atheism has nothing to do with Science. Nothing.

It's hard to believe that people still believe that; it's such underdeveloped thinking.

[Ju1cedup]

nothing to do with science eh? ha ha A group that denies supernaturalism and relies on empirical evidence.. that sounds scientific to me!

[Blackkid2011]

Not all "Empirical Evidence" is admissible in the first place. The greatest joys I get out of hearing people talk about Science v. Religion is that no one has a clue how the sh*t works in the first place.

[Xia90]

science is why people are atheists its still "belief"

[Asker]

I agree with you. =/ A lot of what atheistic scientists are going at things in an unscientific way. Like "Okay, we don't believe in God, therefor he doesn't exist, therefor there must be another explanation for everything" instead of looking at the evidence and going where it leads.

Which is right to God. xD

"A group that denies supernaturalism"

Exactly. Unscientific.

If evidence supports God, it's unscientific to refuse to acknowledge the facts.

[scar1]

it has no direct relationship but at certain points religion contradicts science. by the way I you should remember evolution has physical evidence while adam and eve and other simular stories don't

[aloofalpha]

Lool, you said the evidence goes to god. Now that's undeveloped thinking. Everyone has a bias. Yours is in favour of God. But you are right Science is not against a belief in God, but it can question some of the things organised religions have supported.

[eldamien]

It's funny to think that science could have any meaning with God's influence. God is the ultimate scientist - all logic and order flows from God, in my way of thinking.

I think any being powerful enough to create an entire universe would easily understand concepts like evolution, natural selection, and would know the conditions conducive to creating and sustaining human life. Saying that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive is lazy thinking.

[kentpaul]

Somehow, I think your mind was already made up, whether you realized it or not, before you asked the question. I hope this "God" thing makes you happy; it's the only thing that matters, in the end.

[Asker]

Pfft, if I had already made up my mind, I would have known it.

Lol. This "God" thing. Yeah, if I decide to stick with Christianity, He probably will.

[kentpaul]

Well, if your mind wasn't made up, the least one can say is that you were leaning towards Christianity. But that raises the question, why is it, that of all the religions that claim to be "of God," you assume that Christianity, rather than Islam, Judaism, or Zoroastrianism, is true?

[Asker]

I have Jewish relatives.

Their religion is all about rituals.

Islam, I can't even begin to get close to.

I've never heard of Zoroastrianism.

I've seen enough evidence for Christianity, specifically, that I'm wiling to seriously consider it. owo

[kentpaul]

Your characterization of Judaism is unfair and your portrayal of Islam is shallow. As to Zoroastrianism, why don't you learn? It seems that you were not seeking to learn about God, but that you'd already decided that if there was a God, it was probably the God of protestantism? Why do you assume that if there is a truth, it is to be found in your own geographical vicinity? It seems you don't know much about other monotheistic faiths... and that you didn't even bother investigating. Sad.

[Asker]

I don't think it was unfair.

It's a beautiful religion, but that doesn't count for much in my book.

Lol, and what portrayal?

What have I said about Islam specifically, other than that I cannot get close to it?

You seem to be more interested in asserting yourself as wiser and possessed of more worldly knowledge than I am than in giving me any kind of helpful advice. c:

If you're done attempting to make me feel foolish, please feel free to have a nice day and leave me alone. o.O

[kentpaul]

I'm not trying to make you feel foolish. If that was the result of my words, please accept my sincere apologies. What I am saying is that if you accept the notion that there is one deity, and you want to choose a religion, you should investigate monotheism in all of its manifestations before you choose. A ritualistic religion, a religion that you can't get close to, or one that you've never heard about, can all be greater expressions of the truth that the one you grew up familiar with.

[Asker]

=/ I didn't grow up familiar with anything, really, but thanks for the input!

[jacquesvol]

Don't dismiss the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

[kentpaul]

I wouldn't dare dismiss her. lol

[yohannian774]

I'm a free thinker. I tend to make my own conclusions based on collected knowledge, facts and observable stuff. A word of advise is to look into other religions, even the ancient ones, if you want to have a broader view on the subject and if you have the time. Religion isn't only limited to Christianity and Atheism.

[MacTyson]

I feel the same way but I base my self on Catholicism its good to have roots for your tree :)

[Ingway]

well wanna be happy? throw your weapons and be believers... wanna be intelligent? keep on digging... this is how I believe, yet I'm still atheist by choice...

you made your resolve, may I know what is it?

[Deep_Thinker]

So what conclusion did you come out with? please tell us. God Bless.

[xXSugarshacKXx]

well god intentially didn't want evil but they whole thing when adam and eve ate out off the forbbiden tree because the sepernt/devil tempted them started it so hey therfore let people on there own but would allow them eternal life in heaven if they still repented and followd the lord but he had to make a place for the bad people and that's hell god doesn't make bad things happen demons and the devil do

[firefighter53]

here is a question for you if there is only one god why do so many religions have a different number of commandments?

[Asker]

Because all religions aren't based off of the idea of the same god.

Some religions are based off of super-ancient mythology, and some are based off of supposed interactions with God, like Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

Obviously, though, Islam takes things in a different direction. Maybe due to location, or the way it was spread. I dunno.

[firefighter53]

wich religion has the right commandments? since there is only one god there can only be one set of correct commandments.

[Asker]

Maybe, maybe not. D:

I have no idea.

It could be that God's mission is different for different sets of people, so he gave them a different style of living to go by... XD

No idea~

[dustyfootphilosopher]

I think what firefighter is trying to get at is the fact that some commandments of different religions can appear contradictory.

That said, because it's the Christian faith you seem most inquisitive about, I would urge you to read the 10 commandments yourself - there's two sets, slightly different from one another - Exodus 20:2 17 and Deuteronomy 5:6 21 if I'm not mistaken

While I don't think it is a wise, original or, in any way, enlightened or divine 'top 10' - have a look for yourself :)

[Asker]

o.o

I dunno. The Ten Commandments seem pretty good to me. xD

[dustyfootphilosopher]

Oh, indeed, some of them are...don't get me wrong.

- Do not kill

- Do not bear false witness

- Do not steal

...are all justified 'commandments' - I just don't think we need(ed) God spell it out - that much we had already figured out on our own.

As for the rest, there either:

- Got nothing to do with morality at all (holy sabbath, name in vain, no other gods, make no idols)

- Can not be enforced as a 'commandment' (adultery, lusting over neighbors goods, honor father and mother)

(continued)

[dustyfootphilosopher]

While I still maintain that you should read the ten commandments (both sets) as there set out in the bible - I would also like to forward you on to two links...

link - this is just a rather funny (though still intelligent) modern interpretation and reformation of the ten commandments by the late George Carlin. Quite entertaining, I must say, regardless.

[dustyfootphilosopher]

link - This second link is a monologue by writer Christopher Hitchens, whose analysis of the 10 commandments in much more in depth, opinionated and is presented much more eloquently.

What I like most, however, is that discusses the 10 commandments IN THEIR ENTIRETY, directly from the bible and not just the watered down, one liners I used to get in primary/secondary school - making for a much more interesting discussion.

Enjoy

[Asker]

I dunno. owo

After being slaves for I don't know how long by people who weren't very nice to them, maybe the early Jews needed to be reminded how to treat one another. xD

If I were a newly released slave, I'd be super happy and super, super pissed.

Plus, I'd feel very loose, if that makes sense.

I'd think to myself "Well, sh*t, I can do whatever I want now. Nobody's gonna come over here and whip me to the bone if I fall out of line."

xD My speculation.

I shall look at what you have given me. =)

[miki94]

There is absolutely no evidence of slavery in ancient Egypt according to the archeologists. Just putting it out there. =)

[CapnBlack]

I think if you can accept Christianity then you should its a much more comfortable to think you are going happy fun places when you die.

[mimiperson]

DUDE! I totally agree! I am not the QA lol but it is nice to see that I am not the only one to come to that conclusion!

[Myimmortalmajor]

I don't have a problem with God, but it's his fanclub I can't handle : /

[Asker]

=/ Not all Christians are bigots and/or hypocrites.

[Myimmortalmajor]

I know that, my best friend is a Christian, goes to church on Sunday, the whole shabang, I just like the sound of that bumpersticker (:

[TylerMMA]

Believe what you will, but don't let faith lead to ignorance. seek answers beyond "god did it".

[Asker]

Lol. Sure thing.

[chelseababe]

well I'm a Atheists and I think that the whole jesus thing is alod of bull sh!t so its down to you hunni xxx

[Marciano1]

I saw your question and I know its been long but I got VERY curious cos I like this topic.



So tell me are you a Christian now?

[g1rl5a5k5uy5]

if god exists and you become a Christian you are covered. if god does not and you become a Christian it does not matter. problem solved!

[jacquesvol]

That's called the Pascals' wager or pascals' Gambit. try the antipascal wager too: link and enjoy your life.

[jfromj]

Part 2 jacquesvol,

is NO collusion. The same story is told but from different insights from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So, the stories equate. The lost Gospels are not accepted into text because they are dated much later. Therefore, they are the first accounts of gossip. No scholar accepts these as credible accounts. Also, there is tangibility in the dates of Isaiah 53. It is written centuries before Christ's birth and before Roman crucifixion. It is regarded as beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Ju1cedup]

Pascal also made the assumption that living like God exists is somehow unfulfilling... Its the harder way to live, but I think its more fulfilling living with the sort of love needed to follow him truly.

[Anonymous]

I think you should be a Buddhist. They recognize all deities without giving special recognition to only one, and it's actually more of a lifestyle than a religion.

[ShootingStar5]

Yeah I really like Buddhism for that reason. And like you said, it technically isn't a religion.

[Anonymous]

God doesn't exist because there is no possitive. If you cannot back something up with evidence it doesn't exist. The tooth fairy doesn't exist because there is no proof towards it. And the formation of life and etc do not prove god at all.

[Ju1cedup]

There are many unexplained parts of the beginning of the world -- a deity could exist in MANY different parts

[Asker]

So one could say that the world wasn't created by an explosion because there's no proof that it was, yes?

[Asker]

How does it not prove God?

I mean, science supports the Big Bang theory, right?

The bible ALSO supports the Big Bang theory. Not only that, but the Big Bang couldn't have happened without a god to start it.

Furthermore, fossil records show an explosion of new species- fully developed and without any definitive evolutionary forms- during the Cambrian period.

There's plenty of things that point to God.

P

[MusicIsMagic77]

That's one of my questions- If it's so easy to see that fairies and ghosts don't exist, why is it easy to see that God exists?

[amanda32]

The tooth fairy does exist!

[Anonymous]

Become a christian. You will feel so may amazing feelings you have never felt before, you will make new friends that will be a positive influence, and you will ALWAYS have God to talk to! :)

[Thiezz]

Let's not pretend all christians are a good influence. Example: Ted Haggard.

[Anonymous]

if you want you can give me any reson why He doesn't and I will prove it wrong

[Asker]

Why Who doesn't what? =P

[Opinion Owner]

lol so I'm guessing you made up your mind

[Asker]

xD Maybe.

But actually, I was just asking for clarification.

Do you mean, give you a reason why God doesn't exist?

[Opinion Owner]

hahaha oh wow yeah or whatever else question you have

[Opinion Owner]

haha oh wow and yeah or any other question you have

[honeyltsme]

what have you decided?

[mimiperson]

You can't prove anything. Nothing can be proved 100% but there is a very likely chance of some type of creator. Our very existence proves that. If you believe time is a line- with a beginning and end- then it may be considered almost nonsensical to not believe in some type of "G-d".

[DirtyDlish]

Jesus is an anthropomorphication

Im agnostic

[BennyB]

So...what'd you choose?

[funkadelic5]

What conclusion did you come to?

[Asker]

I'm going to experience Christianity for myself. =P

[Thiezz]

funkadelic5: have you read any of her comments? She's obviously been settled on this christianity thing from the very beginning.

[Asker]

Thiezz, you = awesome. xD

[funkadelic5]

After reading the wall of text I wasn't particularly inclined to spend another 10 minutes of my time reading all the answers. Just was curious.

[Anonymous]

Don't become a Christian! Give us five reasons why god is good and I'll double it with reasons why he's bad.

[Asker]

That sounds like a useless exercise, but thanks for the offer. =)

[oh_henry_oh]

Did you announce your choice, I didn't see it.

[Anonymous]

So I was just wondering what does owo mean?

[Anonymous]

What was your decision?

[calmmie]

God exist.

[jacquesvol]

Prove it

[Anonymous]

Christians are idiots, hope that helps.

[guywithellaanswers]

what did you decide

[Asker]

I have decided I am going to read the New Testament, spend my summer in Chile on a mission trip, and then make up my mind for good. xD

[guywithellaanswers]

maybe you should make up your mind before the mission trip and read up before that lol

[Asker]

Nah.

I'm already registered. xD

I don't have to be a Christian to go rebuild stuff for people. lol.

[guywithellaanswers]

i thought you meant a mission to go witness to people

[Asker]

Nope. xD Too many people assume mission trips are all about shoving religion down people's throats.

Most of the time, that's not even half of what they're there for.

I'm rebuilding houses, an orphanage, and a church that were destroyed in the 2010 earthquakes. xD I'll leave the evangelizing to the rest of my team.

[guywithellaanswers]

its not shoving religion down anyones throat its witnessing by presenting the gospel,nobody tries to make anyway do anything but tell them what there missing and that's great what you guys are doing

;)

[Anonymous]

I like to meditate.