What do men think of strong women?

[Anonymous]

It feels as if men love to push buttons , test women boundaries. But what do you think of a woman who prefers love and doesn't take crap from you? Do you trust her or avoid her? Tell me about your stories?

[MrOracle]

Several women in my life have been truly strong women, but that's not what modern Feminists would consider "strong women" and I get the feeling that's not what you're talking about either.

Real strength comes from moral fiber and values and knowing your value - but it also requires that you actually HAVE value to others, which means you have to care about what others want and need.

The modern, feminist version of "strong woman" is probably best defined as "loud, opinionated, career-driven, alone, and profoundly unhappy." I'm not close to any women like that except for my godmother (who I haven't really been close to for 25 years), but I have a few in my extended family and I'm acquainted with others in various ways.

You also need to keep in mind that there are "relationship men" and there are "bachelors" - men with no intention of being in a relationship. Note that the men who make up the top 10% of men are almost all in the latter category. Most women today who are looking for a relationship are ONLY looking at bachelors, because they're the ones with the exciting, dangerous lives - and then they're shocked that these men never seem to give them a relationship, or, if they do, it's a lie and he's been cheating on her the entire time. Well, DUH!

Most women go back to this same pool of men over and over and over, ignoring the "relationship men", never getting what they want, yet determined to get it from one of the bachelors, and that cycle will continue until she ages out and can no longer attract those men anymore. Only then will they finally realize that if they want a relationship, they need a relationship man. But... the relationship men don't want a woman who has been chasing bachelors/players/Chads her whole life, so she's mostly going to strike out there too, unless she lowers her standards WAY down.

Women are doing this to themselves. Their hypergamy is out of control, and social media and dating apps give women the illusion that they can get all of these "great" (on the surface) men - but just because a hot guy will fuck you doesn't mean he'll ever give you a relationship. That's the whole point of being in the bachelor class - you get to keep your "free agent penis" and bang lots of girls without ever having to commit to one.

If men were cars, women would be ignoring the reliable Hondas and Toyotas - and even the more upscale Acuras and Lexuses - because they were constantly going for Ferraris and Mercedes - and then they're constantly surprised and disappointed that they're always having their unreliable cars towed to a mechanic where there's always a huge repair bill waiting for them - yet they'd NEVER be seen driving a Lexus, much less a Toyota. Their IMAGE! Why, they'd lose Instagram followers if they were seen in a "normal" car! The horror!

[Asker]

I love everything about what you wrote. Indeed we tend to search for love at the wrong places. Féminism doesn't require strenght, it is just an idea a conception of things. Strenght embodies self love , and a discipline around it.

[Lliam]

I like a woman who embodies feminine qualities but also knows her own mind and doesn't take shit. I don't want a docile door mat.

She's tender, nurturing, empathetic, caring, compassionate, and also smart, perceptive, intuitive, ethical, has self-esteem, goals, ambitions, and opinions. She is not controlling.

She doesn't NEED a man to survive, she want's man she can look up to as an equal partner. And, of course, she wants a masculine counterpart for sex as well as for playing the lady/gentleman game outside the bedroom. She's comfortable in her own body and enjoys being feminine.

I think it takes a man to earn the love and respect of such a woman.

I want a woman who inspires me, challenges my intellect, and is a mirror through which I see myself. We can learn from each other and grow as human beings. We inspire each other to be the best we can be. But we don't boss each other or think it's our JOB to improve or remake each other.

[Asker]

Thanks for all of us. You seem to be the only one to understand the topic. It takes maturity and a good heart. Younger men associate a woman self love with toxicity

[caring__1]

There is strength and there is power. Personal strength allows you to accomplish on your own. Power is used to control others to do for you. There is nothing wrong with personal strength, but many women feel that to be strong they need to force their agenda onto others. That is not what I see as strength. People who use power are self-serving, and they're not worth being around.

[Asker]

Strong woman is different from combative.

[caring__1]

That is definitely true, though many combative people deny they are combative, also. Unfortunately, we often use the same word to describe totally different things. That only leads to miscommunication and conflict.

[Anonymous]

I'll just say this. I have never met a woman who proclaimed herself a "strong woman" whose company I could stand, because women who feel the need to openly proclaim themselves a strong woman tend to have personality and attitude problems.

How would you feel about a man who stands up and says "I am a strong nd independent man"? Wouldn't that strike you as weird? I mean, all it is saying is that he is a normal adult. It's like saying out loud "I can wipe my own ass".

Why would that be any different for a woman? In my experience, women like that always have issues that are show stoppers for me.

[Asker]

A strong woman is a woman who sticks to her positive values for Herself. ( for example , she will décline a man very late invitation, to sleep early at home and maintain a good organisation for her Life )

[Opinion Owner]

That is your definition, but most women just see that as having values, which is just normal, and most women don't feel the need to say "I am a strong woman".

[Asker]

Defining positive values for yourself is strenght. Some people take it for granted

[Opinion Owner]

I think my point has gone over your head.

[MCheetah]

I'm fine with women who are tough and don't take any crap. But I won't bother with a bitch who just complains to complain. You can miss me with all that. And as someone else said on here: 'Strong women' don't have to claim they're strong. Insecure aggressive cunts, however, tend to be the ones who call themselves "strong women" and then wonder why no men will "step up" to them when they're 39 and on their last eggs.

[Hanrej]

I don't trust them. A woman that "doesn't take crap" usually means she's unwilling to put any effort into the relationship herself but still expect to be loved unconditionally.

This is not "a strong woman" but a weak one who lives as a parasite on men.

[Asker]

So taking crap ( such as lies , ambiguity , exes) and saying nothing about it should be ok? How do you associate it with Making efforts into a relationship?

[Anonymous]

Strong woman is often code for toxic.
I'm not to know if you're a normal, loving woman with a moral sense of right and wrong and enough about her to push back when her man is being unreasonable (which we all sometimes need), or you're just trying to justify your own psychotic tendencies.

[Asker]

Is it what you think ? Strong doesn't mean combative. It means to value positive actions in despite of this world we live in.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

What kind of strong? There’s a kind where they’re not actually and there’s a kind that sprays a wee hope

[Asker]

True. I meant strong as practicing self care over pursuing dramas and reacting to bs

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Oh that kind. Still Fan Dabby Dozy

[FilmGuy93]

As long as she respectful of me, I'd find that very appealing.

[Anonymous]

I think you'd have to be more specific about your definition of a strong woman. Because your definition doesn't denote strength at all. Just game playing.
I like strong women. Those that know what they want and tell you. That's strength! A woman who has to test me? I won't just say there's the door. I'll open it for her (after all I am a gentleman) sorry not sorry. I'm done with that nonsense. There's NOTHING a woman brings to my life that I can't do for myself.

[Asker]

Is it what you read? Women testing a man?

[Phoenix98]

And what is your definition of a "strong woman"? Because that holds different meanings to different people.

[Asker]

Indeed. A strong woman is a woman who values positive attitude for herself. But it seems like men are way more comfortable with the ones who falls for games , play back , talk trashy. I see it more and more

[Dchrls78104]

I might dare or even marry such a woman---and treat her the same way! "You will be measured by your own standards." (Matthew 7:2).

[Dchrls78104]

*date*

[bamesjond0069]

Generally this means a toxic bitch... so no men do not like toxic bitches.

[Asker]

Toxic bitches prefer self love over beeing treated badly?

[Yahall0]

It's not OK but I can take that

[Anonymous]

depends if it becomes abusive on her part or not

[Asker]

What could be abusive?

[ThatNoUVAtYourEyes]

Huh?

[KrakenAttackin]

Clueless.