Do you believe toxic masculinity exists or is it just toxic people that exist?

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DenizLikesTennis · Accepted Answer

This question is the same as you'd ask: Are all Africans good in basketball and europeans below?"

No. Hell no. It's about respect here and the individual. Look at eminem... he is white and the number one selling artist and best rapper in the world that won the rock N Roll hall of fame... he is an idol... a good role model. A realist.

Now it's the same with the toxic masculinity. A different contrast with the same meaning. The World isn't so simple that it only consists of toxic masculinity and all good females.

I mean...

that's even crazy to think about it, where people believe only one-sided and don't think that people could be different (being narrow minded). There are just good and bad people. Whether you are male or female. Good and bad.

What this question also reveals is that it is also about the CULTURE. We are all born and been raised in DIFFERENT CULTURES. These are Ideas and social behaviour of PARTICULAR people. So to conclude > NOT EVERYONE.

Dualism > when something is divided into two opposed or contrasted aspects. You see a picture with 2 Colors that is divided in black and white. You have to observe the picture AS A WHOLE.

And so is the same with "toxic" people. You don't focus only on the toxic but also on the good qualities. I am not saying that I support toxic people. What I am saying is that the human is more than 1 quality.

So saying that there is just toxic masculinity that exists and not people is like saying: "Humans are not worthy".

Chazmatazz269 · Accepted Answer

You’re kind of asking two different questions. The present intonation of “toxic masculinity” is rooted in the ways men are destructive to women and society at large. In this way, there are certainly toxic people, male and female, who are destructive to others and society at large. Men and women can be destructive in the same ways, or in very different ways. This might compel some people to refer specifically “toxic masculinity” or “toxic femininity”.
However, the origin of the term “toxic masculinity” is thought to be from an early mens’ movement. Men who struggled with the ways in which traditional masculinity can be self diminishing and even self destructive began to identify specific behaviors that were eventually labeled “toxic”. Like a poison, toxic to SELF. Any man who has recognized his own worth and resists self destructive behaviors because of it has faced toxic masculinity even if he might not feel that way let alone say it. The newer term, “toxic femininity” is less about how women are self diminishing or self destructive and more in response to the use of “toxic masculinity” as a degradation of men and masculinity in general. Both have become new ways for people to marginalize others, rather than a means to empower anyone. It’s a GD shame, if you ask me.

APrettyLittleLady87 · Accepted Answer

What IS toxic masculinity?

When you read about it ALL it is describing are traits & characteristics that are developed through abusive households. Seriously go volunteer with children of abusive households and you'll see MANY of the "toxic masculinity" traits in them. A child who is beaten by their parents as an example is going to be aggressive, fail to show emotions, etc. - characteristics attributed to "toxic masculinity".

So in reality toxic masculinity is NOTHING more than a manifestation of TOXIC humanity. If you tell me that women do not behave like "toxic" men - particularly when women can be bitchy, nasty, petty, etc. - I'd laugh for so hard & for so long I'd die.

shaysh87 · Accepted Answer

I find it very funny how men on here complain that masculine men don't exist any more or that every modern man is a beta. YET, these very same guys complain that there is toxic masculinity. You can't make the claim that all guys are feminine while toxic masculinity exists. Its a contradiction.

BlueScorpio · Answer

A person's femininity or masculinity isn't what makes them toxic. It's their mindset or lack morals that does.

MzAsh · Answer

I believe there is a narrative that encourages men to use their masculinity in a toxic manner. But I’d masculinity toxic in itself? No.

Avicenna · Answer

I'd say there are toxic people whose toxicity is expressed in different ways

MCheetah · Answer

No. Being an asshole has no gender and there's nothing wrong with (actual) masculinity. "Toxic masculinity" is just a bullsh*t movement to feminize men into useless cucks and soyboys who do nothing useful for society. These also, appropriately enough, tend to be the only 'males' out there who actually believe in "toxic masculinity." Anything to artificially raise their social market value with women to get sex, right?

Do you believe toxic masculinity exists or is it just toxic people that exist?

Ironically - or appropriately - they also try to turn women into these sh*tty pseudo "Alpha Male" wannabes as their idea of "Strong Female Characters" who are the very thing they criticize men for being, empowering women to just be "toxic males with vaginas."

It really is insidious how they try to portray masculinity as "evil" and femininity as "sexist/misogynist" just to turn women into overpowered, macho Mary Sues with vaginas and men into useless soy losers.

So option B; males and females can be sh*theads, but "masculinity" nor femininity has anything to do with it.

inhua · Answer

toxic masculinity is a term made up by feminists and reinforced by male feminists who want to complain about masculine traits but have no issue perpetuating these traits on to and this is often used against men. this goes hand in hand with the myth of male privilege which is used to dispel any possibility of men having problems of their own.

the "toxic masculine" traits that a lot of these feminists and male feminists like to point out is not gendered and can exist in women too. stoicism and keeping one's own self emotions in check happens a lot with the "strong independent woman" who won't make herself emotionally vulnerable to the average or below average man but only start being girly in front of attractive men. the hyper-competitiveness that men supposedly have (which nowadays a lot of them don't) can be seen when women often compete for the same guy, tearing each other apart in looks, lifestyle etc with endless bitching and slut shaming more so than any man can imagine. and when it comes to domestic violence, it is about as one-sided as it gets. there are YouTube videos of social experiments that show various public reactions to a woman hitting a man and a man hitting a woman.

AdithyaR · Answer

Toxic masculinity exists but 90% people don't know the meaning of it.
A lot of people just outright think masculinity is toxic and that's wrong. Masculinity in itself is not toxic at all.
The thing is, if a person forces ideals on themselves or others, or denied themselves something purely based on the idea that "it's not manyl" that's toxic masculinity.
For example, let's say there's a dude who loves going to the gym, fishing, watching sports or any other activity that's traditionally considered masculine. But he enjoys doing these genuinely, no masculinity at all.

But suppose a guy likes baking but doesn't do it cause he feels it's girly, or he bottles up his emotions because he feels it's unmanly to do so. That's toxic masculinity.

Baseline is, don't let some archiac idea of what a man is supposed to be define you and your actions. As long as you do what you like, treat others well, you're essentially a healthy masculine man.

Kinkyhubby · Answer

All this toxic masculinity is a bullshit. And it people trying to point figlngers on why they are. The truth is any person at any time can be ass holes. People also don't like to take responsibility for their own actions, and umtey to use this as a crutch. My father would spank me as a kid if I screw up. I don't call him toxic masculinity, what it taught me was there are consequences to your personal choices and actions. Part of today youth andyoung adults is the "I want it now, and I deserve it". I see ass holes every day. Rude people every day. People breaking the laws or the road everyday. Society has become a "me, me, me first society" and I'm in a rush. People don't respect others. Woman can be just as toxic, they aren't as physical, but are more mental, I seen then try to turn kids against dad, in divorce. So how about we change toxic masculinity to people are toxic and ass holes.

TheUniqueOne96 · Answer

Toxic people exist, both male and female.

It's just that when men do something, it's seen as something that's 'ingrained' into them.

By definition, toxic masculinity is stereotypical crappy behavioral traits that are more common amongst males or commonly associated with them and whilst that does exist, you can't sit back and say that there aren't crappy female ones - trust me, I can list them.

I think this term is often times a desperate attempt for women, predominantly feminazis to pull out the victim card and attack men as usual.

DoctorSex · Answer

This can be broken down to simple logic

Women are: X X chromosomes

Men are: X Y chromosomes

So by deduction, it is the Y chromosome that is the masculine.

Whatever behaviour you find explicitly in men, is the masculine.

Behaviours you can find in both men and women, is feminine.

So the question then becomes,

Do women lie, cheat, steal, attack violently others, manipulate, control?

If yes, then these traits cannot be masculine.

So does toxic masculinity exist, probably? But no by the metrics that are used to currently describe it. It is more likely that men are behaving in toxic feminine ways at present and it is the hate of the feminine dark side inside of men that a lot of women hate.

Kind regards,

DoctorSex

Weapon77 · Answer

There are just good men and bad men, just lkke their are good and bad people. Calling sexual harassment toxic masculinity is pretensing that it is masculinr when it is actually just creepy/pathetic, and pretends like women don't sexually harass too (which they do). That then means we'd have to acknowledgr toxic femininity, which is ridiculous. We are just coming up for new words for things we already know and have terms for. Bad people are bad people, period. No need to come up with innecessarily complicated terms for them

ShadezMcgee · Answer

Depends how we want to look at this. Personally I believe it is just toxic people who take offense to certain aspects of masculinity or femininity that cause the whole claims of behavior being toxic when it is just simply embodying what makes men men and women women.

Googlemyahoo · Answer

All the introverts & essentially losers grew up to become teachers & educators. They’ve started this false narrative against all normal societal aspects they abhor. They try to push the idea their values are special & everything else is fascist or toxic.

Kids in school see the “special” kids getting extra attention so they claim to be the same. They end up ruining their lives.

USLegionary · Answer

Its just another made up word designed to attack people because of their gender. If you are an asshole then that's what you are regardless of masculinity

CrazyGirl2 · Answer

I believe toxic people exist in BOTH sexes! Some of the nicest, sweetest, most kindhearted people I’ve ever met were guys. And some of the nastiest, most toxic humans were female! toxicity is a personality flaw, not a gender trait! Do men suddenly lose their “toxicity” if they come out as transgender? And if they are not toxic, why not? They were men, they are male (regardless what clothes they wear) and I happen to believe that trans-women are women, but until they came out they were male… where did their toxicity go, if it IS a male trait?

normalice · Answer

It's sort of like asking, if magic existed, what are "magic words"? Are the words magic or do they just describe magic that was already existing without them?

I think anything "primal" is a catalyst for toxic behavior. The need for food can turn people toxic. The need for water. The need for air. Certainly the need for validation would also be a thing that makes people toxic if they go too long without it. And what is "masculinity" other than wanting validation for being Big and Strong or whatever.

Msputiton · Answer

The idea of toxic masculinity isn't bashing masculinity.

It is bashing the false narrative of what makes a man masculine. Yes they are very toxic people because they are taught it is how men are supposed to be.

"To be a man, you must 24/7 try to prove your manhood. Never show emotion unless it's anger. Always walk around trying to be intimidating. Always walk around being overly aggressive in hopes of proving your masculine. This is toxic masculinity."

Normal Masculine men don't need to prove it because they know they can beat that ass if need to be. They will naturally prove their masculinity because it is natural and not forced.

So toxic masculinity is from the result of people teaching men incorrectly what it means to be a man.

Anonymous · Answer

There are toxic people, particular among those who have ever reason to regard others cheaply.
This is unfortunately increasingly common among women who see large numbers of men on social media throwing themselfs at them just as it is common among the top 20% of men who also have all women chasing them.

So you would expect to see far more toxic women then men, but women by narrow and unrealistic standards are far more likely to encounter the Toxic men.

As usual Women are also far more likely to complain about it.

CallmeTheKnight · Answer

People are toxic. Weak men are toxic. Men who can't control their emotions are toxic. Masculinity can never be toxic because it is necessary for men to be masculine. It is necessary to protect. It is necessary to be tenacious.
Men must be men for the world to survive... For us all to survive...

SassyAussieAddy · Answer

Toxic masculinity is a set of unhealthy behaviors and ideas that boys are raised with that later makes it difficult for them later in life.

Toxic people are just toxic themselves where as toxic masculinity can follow someone even when they are alone.

Anonymous · Answer

Of course it exists. Masculinity can be expressed in a toxic way and in a noble way. But the same is true with femininity as well. And if you think of what's the greater problem in Western society today and you're not an ahistoric retard you'd realize that we've pretty much gotten toxic masculinity well and truly under control. How many deaths are there per year as a result of interpersonal violence and how does that compare to 100 years ago, 200 years ago, etc? Answer: a fuck-ton less.

Toxic femininity on the other hand? All the shit that goes along with cancellation and reputational assassination? Fucking up kids with too much anxiety and not enough strength and control? Yeah--that's a fucking PROBLEM and it's getting WORSE.

RangerBlue22 · Answer

You can’t say there is toxic masculinity while pretending there isn’t toxic femininity.

The so called “equal gender rights” theorists who invented and propagated this Marxist term believed it is an yet another indictment on men that would go unnoticed. Different story if feminists dared to be fair by using “toxic femininity” in their hate rhetoric. But of course it’s all a “war” to them so admitted any fault whatsoever is conceding to patriarchy.

ArrowheadSW · Answer

Hummm... I think some men who are toxic, might be toxic in a "masculine" manner. But I've known toxic people in both genders of course. I've known men who were toxic and it wasn't necessarily linked to them being men. They were just toxic... LOL... One of the worst that I can think of was a former coworker. When he left the job to take another one, he was trashing the company to some of the company's customers. It was BS because I worked for that company for a long time and it wasn't a bad company. He was thinking that the business would fall apart when he left, and was frustrated when the business continued to be successful and even grew tremendously after he left. Then he tried to recruit employees from the business to work at his new job, hoping it would cripple us. Toxic dude.

Anonymous · Answer

There is no such thing "toxic masculinity" or "toxic femininity", only toxic behavior, and both men and women do it.

Calling it "toxic masculinity" is just another way feminists try to divide men and women, because dividing is what feminism is all about.

ManOnFire · Answer

Toxic masculinity  does  exist, and I work around it through the work week. But toxic femininity also exists. Difference is that people don't want to talk or think about it. Toxic femininity is not just something other women have to deal with, but it pollutes men's world as well, and it creates bad motherhood that negatively impacts kids too.

jshm2 · Answer

Neither.

There are toxic women, toxic trans men, toxic trans women and toxic helicopters too.

Seems the term "toxic" is just so overused that it seems to stand for whatever you feel is opposed to your behaviours.

To be fair, it's usually toxic people trying to paint others as "toxic".

Anonymous · Answer

Men get shamed by other men for doing stuff that is considered womanly. During my undergrad years in physics. I cooked for a department feast mostly by myself with multiple cuisines. I cook better than in most high-end restaurants. Professors and other guy friends told me, I should quit and open one, physics isn't for me. Even though I was the smartest in the class. People tease me, and call me names for my cooking, my family is kinda conservative they see it as womanly too.

I don't like watching sports but am particularly good at swimming and soccer. I have more artistic hobbies like drawing, writing, and sewing and I get enough trolled for them from both men and women.

So toxic masculinity exists both men and women don't like people who wouldn't succumb to particularly defied social behaviors.

allthewronganswers · Answer

Masculinity in itself Is a social construct. The toxicity associated with it is an addendum to that construct. Toxic Masculinity only holds sway with those that are trying to inflict it and those willing to believe they have been affected by it.

genericname85 · Answer

toxic people don't exist. people that are toxic "for you" exist. this entire toxic masculinity bullshit is classical "devide and conquer" tactics by the government-media complex. if people are busy fighting each other, they are distracted from the problems that politicians cause for them.

suzzieQ · Answer

Toxic masculinity is just toxic behavior or mentalities that are labeled as masculine, like repressed emotion, “boys don’t cry”, hyper aggression, violence, sexual aggression, the concept that asking for or seeking physical or mental help is not masculine, homophobia, misogyny.. etc

LogicBomber · Answer

More women are toxic than men.

Inherent female traits are more toxic than inherent male traits

inherently male traits are what have created, advanced, and maintained this society and it’s infrastructure.

the toxic female traits are the reason everyone is so triggered, why we can’t say or do anything without being cancelled, why men’s lives are destroyed by false accusations, etc.

TrueConfection · Answer

B. Toxic people.  I happen to love masculinity on a man. 😁

AddylynnNightingale · Answer

Just toxics folks. They just happen to have a dick sometimes or not.

OddBeMe · Answer

Both? Toxicity and healthy are two sides of a spectrum for everything. Relationships, people, a job, a boss, etc. They all fall between toxic and healthy.

Same for masculinity. So obviously it exists. Further, I think it’s more damaging on us guys.

LittleSally · Answer

Toxic masculinity is very real. So if toxic femininity.

They have nothing to do with 'toxic people', they're very specific internalized traits that can and don't have to coexist with basic human toxicity.

Screenwriter · Answer

Because men are still mostly in charge of large corporations, Congress, the presidency etc., toxic masculinity became a thing. But, men and women can be toxic. It's an equal opportunity level of nasty.

NathanDavis · Answer

some people can be just toxic and that is human nature...

to make it about "masculine toxicity" is just an attempt to reduce and simplify something complex and complicated, and just for the sake of pointing accusing fingers

ZackBan · Answer

I think it existed 70 years ago. But not since then.

I never met a guy who genuinely wanted to be toxic or to bash on women or anyone else.

Toxic people do toxic things but it certainly isn't a glaring social issue

Anonymous · Answer

I believe guys who are meatheaded morons exist yes. Now whether they're actions is detrimental to all men as a whole is a matter of opinion. Toxic women exist, do they give all women a bad name? Well they don't help. But anyone who paints an entire gender for the actions of some is a moron.

PainusNdeeAnus · Answer

I believe women don’t know what they want because they give their bodies away to so called toxic men yet claim they want a serious relationship with a good man

mstbooblover · Answer

Not sure what you really mean with that question. As always many things depend on circumstances and points of view. Sure enough nevertheless that toxic people do exist, whether male, female or in between ;0)

CubsterShura · Answer

Toxic masculinity is a thing. It doesn't mean that masculinity is toxic, it doesn't mean that all toxic behavior is toxic or toxic behavior outside of the context of toxic masculinity does not exist. It means certain toxic behaviors are taught to men in the name of masculinity.

Owasso · Answer

Too tired to care anymore. Brazil for me shortly, let them all live in stereotypes and fear!👋

msc545 · Answer

"Toxic masculinity" is a pejorative term used by feminists and simps.

Anonymous · Answer

Toxic traits exist is what I'm gonna say.

TheSpaceGnome · Answer

Option B. Masculinity has nothing to do with behavior, only toxic people think otherwise.  Masculinity is the physical traits that are male. Specifically things like penis, balls, sperm, etc.

Man-O-Metal · Answer

The attributes that make up what it means to be masculine do not allow the phrase "toxic masculinity" to make sense. They don't mix. You are either a masculine man, or you are a toxic douche.

SpringValley · Answer

I believe that stupid people exist.

Hawner · Answer

I believe that toxicity exist, and when done by makes it is named male toxicity. So, yeah, both do exist.

anonanonanonomys · Answer

Toxic masculinity exist and Toxic femininity exists. As do Toxic people but they aren't always Toxic in a masculine or feminine way.

grega239 · Answer

I disagree with the term. You can't be toxic and masculine at the same time

LivingExample · Answer

People need to Stop blaming Everything on men. Women play a Role in Everything too!

DrBanana · Answer

Toxic people/ toxic traits.

Over the years I have seen both men and women be huge douches to me and other people in situations.

Personally speaking your body parts don’t give you a free pass either way.

Tracker1958 · Answer

Women have more toxic masculinity than men do. They all are trying g to be the BOSS. the head of the house. This is why men don't want to marry these women.

Rania05 · Answer

Both do exists, toxic people made toxic masculinity and toxic feminism

Shark_61695 · Answer

It may not be as prevalent but toxic femininity exists so go gender equality...* *Was prepared in an area where sarcasm is used so we can't guarantee none is in this statement.

This_Is_My_Opinion8 · Answer

That depends on the definition you give it.

If masculinity itself toxic? No.
If there are things associated with masculinity, that are done because peope consider that it makes them more masculine, that are toxic? Yes, no question.

annabananna · Answer

Toxic men that are masculine and toxic females that are feminine. I don't know I guess anything could be toxic if you use it in a toxic way.

FreyaRed · Answer

Toxic people, they will use all possible opportunities and tools to hurt others.

Ms_Facesitter · Answer

Toxic people. But if you hate a specific group magically toxic people of that group will appear to be worse.

Dargil · Answer

Neither. "toxic masculinity" is men acting like... men. It's just that woke women and snowflake men are intimidated by it.

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