
If marriage and children no longer seem to be the modern goal of relationships, what is?


It's either being single (out of choice or involuntary) or wasting too many years in the infatuation/romantic stage of a relationship, moving together with a boyfriend/girlfriend and it never leading towards marriage. Not being engaged or married is still just dating and wanting to have a foot out the dolor any time. Then a break-up eventually happens and you're single again.
At some point, moving in with Partner after partner sounds close to having a friends with benefits relationship with the only difference of calling them your boyfriend/girlfriend by verbal title. You're still having a good friend yo have lots of sex and all the benefits in a relationship without any real commitment. They're just a partner you like going to the movies, say your "I love you, miss you", have lustful moments, spend the time with but that's it. You're not sharing assets, morgage nor have kids with them.
foot out the door
That sounds about where the current generation is. People too afraid and not wanting marriage and not wanting to be "tied down" by kids or they consider them too expensive and just existing in their situationships/relationships to get sex. Of course not all, but statistically it seems more and more like the trend.
Yes we're in the era that the hooking-up culture took over commitment. If you eliminate lust on those so called "relationships" full of love declarations, there is nothing. Those relationships have nothing, no strong foundation. They only attraction and sex. More people want instant gratification, only think of their own needs and wants, placing themselves on top over others. We're living in the selfish era full of instant gratification folks.
No it's not just a piece of paper. If one of us got into an accident, then we wouldn't have any rights to make medical decisions and he wouldn't share my same health insurance policy nor share assets either
I'll put myself as an example. Let's say I were hospitalized, then only my parents or brother would have rights but no rights given to just a boyfriend instead of a husband.
@Paul09
Messy is wasting time with someone that isn't on your same page, on someone that doesn't have the same main goals.
If you don't want marriage and are happy with dating forever then it would be easier finding a woman that doesn't want marriage either. If you want kids then find someone that wants kids and so on.
@Paul09
It depends on the wedding though. Not all weddings are expensive (my parents' wedding wasn't) nor have too much guests. You can make it into a small setting with few close members.
Yes I do find important to have a life partner that I'll trust to make medical decisions in the event of an accident (and vice-versa) and whom I'll be sharing health and life insurance, someone that's there for me beyond just a boyfriend to have fun with and make love declarations.
For me, love and connection.
I don't care for kids. I'm sterile. Marriage I'm interested in, but only with the right person.
When I date, I'm looking for love and a deep connection. Compatability and good company.
It doesn't need to be more than that. I don't care about the financial or social perspective. Just me and my partner.
I'm not sure what the current goals are , but I understand , children and life is so expensive now , its not about being self centred , its about existence and expectation.
I have 2 daughters 34 and 31 years old , neither has a child , neither are married ( one living together long term , children highly unlikely ) , the younger one is completing a second degree , after finishing Science , and working her guts out as well , living in a share house , big hours , then study , then comes placement , this is opposite to my life at that age , and I had two young children , but things were far far easier , I was working hard sure , but not as hard as her.
So , I think its very reasonable ( culture dependent ) that the modern goal posts have moved.
It definitely sounds like that. My brother has kids and listening to him talk about the costs of everything, I'm absolutely amazed he's able to do anything other than work these days, and both he and my sister in law have really good jobs. Skip back a couple more generations and it was like, you could get married and have kids because you could afford all the things, nice house, car, sending junior to school even on the one salary, now its so rare that both parents can survive in 2023 without working, and even single people are struggling to make ends meet with inflation and everything else. That impact is going to be felt in all sectors, especially home life.
Sexual pleasure without the responsibilities of having or raising kids. I wish I was kidding but that's pretty much it- an active denial or phobia of the natural progression of a relationship. This is also a major reason why the overwhelming majority of these relationships and marriages (including homosexual couples) fall apart, and why some people are trying to normalize "open relationships" and polygamy.
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Companionship. Most people don't want to go through life alone, so finding a partner they care about that shares their likes and enjoys their activities goes a long way to making a modern relationship what it is. It can still result in a marriage and having children, but it doesn't have to.
That's true---I think you can be happy that way. I mean marriage or no marriage, people can still leave, still cheat, still walk away, so neither situation is a guarantee of any kind, and certainly happiness in those things is no guarantee, but yes, having someone who genuinely seems to care and love you, is a common goal or desire.
There is none. Relationships are pointless. It’s better to be single especially now a-days. Some frown upon those choosing to be single though. Others consider it selfish. A lot feel bad for those who prefer to be single and wrongfully hope they find someone someday not knowing that they have a reason to want to be single. They just don’t understand.
I travel all over the country a lot. I haven't met ONE guy whose life has been enhanced for the better having gotten married in the last 25 years. Not one. I've met HUNDREDS though... whose lives have gotten exponentially worse-and have warned me to avoid making the mistake they did-getting married during that same time frame. All of them... the same story. He had savings, was traveling, a wide circle of friends, no legal issues... and after getting married... legal issues up his ass, money disappeared, stressed the hell out, false accusations, lost custody of kids, friends didn't want to be around anymore, some lost their jobs, etc. All of those things. And none of these count the hundreds of women featured on Snapped... who are looking for these very guys, and more treacherous than a 🐍 Cobra. No thanks 😊
So how do we continue on as the human race if we all want to be single and not reproduce? Are we headed towards a dystopian future where babies are born in labs?
@asker actually that won't happen and we have nothing to worry about with how many stupid women choose to date and get pregnant by fuckboys. It's just the rest of us looking for a decent girl that hasn't fucked around that's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
@ImalwaysrightOK... exactly. I've already given up hope on all of that, because the qualities it takes to have that kind of relationship are made fun of and pissed on in American culture, so looking for that here is a fruitless pursuit. I feel much better just whoring all my money, getting to do what I want, when and where I want, and not have to worry about losing it. Life becomes much simpler that way. Hoping for the ways of 1991 to simply appear in front of me in 2023 is asinine. Wishing upon a star. Idealism... isn't realism. I used to worry about the way things "should be." Now I simply accept them the way they are, and stop chasing ways of the past. It's about money. Screw everything else. It's the American way!🤪Most want to fake it by not admitting it... but I don't have the time or energy to waste on that.
Moving in together, making a commitment you wouldn’t have to make with a friends with benefits situation and risking your own financial well-being to be with a partner that you or them will likely bail out of at the first sign of trouble because everyone’s become so hyper-individualistic and extremely narcissistic to the point that their happiness is the only thing that matters. The irony being: No one is actually happy.
Ouch, that last sentence. I feel like a lot of people social media wise with make it seem like they are happy and single and carefree, but if we shut the door and put the magnifying glass on them, things would look a little different than what they want you to believe. I think most genuinely want that diamond in the rough, but it sure is hell is hard to find.
Relationship or not, its still children for me. In terms of a relationship, my main goals are commitment, endless love, having a safeguard/defender (someone who has my back and vice versa) and building a family together
None of the guys I have met so far deserved my respect and my attention. So I am still single and happier like this. Maybe I am not a beauty as they kept telling me and not their fist choice but I know I am a lot smarter than their dolls and stay away from them.
Mine is - marriage and having children. If I start a relationship that will be my ultimate wish, so that’s why I don’t hurry to hop in relationships and just enjoy being single.
I truly believe with most women today it's about filling her fantasies. I mean to be fair I think it's always been that way. But in the past women had to be more practical. Now today there is no judgement or social stigma for how a person acts. So neither gender has to live up to any standards.
It is all about love and companionship, but some guys are happier with cats and choking their chicken. It must suck to be them.
Mutual happiness. Mutual trust - having someone you can rely on to have your best interests at heart
Having a loving partner that you live the rest of your life with without having to comply to expectations from society.
1. an emotional bond
2. companionship
3. co-habitation
4. FWBs
For your gender, it's taking guys money. For our gender, it's avoiding your gender so we can have happiness and keep everything we've worked for. That's basically it.😊
Nowadays with women being promiscuous, only wanting to settle down when they're old and worn down and having little relationship value, most men should not commit at all and just date women for companionship and sex.
What the individuals inside if those relationships want
Well I'd prefer to meet my perfect match. And spend our lives enjoying and sharing life till the end. Live love and learn! I need a partner in crime! Lol You'll have Mors money and time enjoying life.
Life partner to share everything else with. And sex.
Sharing expenses and having a steady supply of sex until a better deal comes along. That's what relationships have become.
Everything that normally comes with marriage, but without the financial punishments if divorce happens.
for men sex, for women money, prestige, protection. thanks for feminism
It's only is when there's a stability. There is not much stability nowadays for 2 reason: Global warming and a deep economical crisis. Those are a gateway to WW3.
Who can live in the fanciest house, drive the expensive car and go on nice VA c ations
Just a human connection. Because people nowadays are drfiting in masses away from reality through their phones.
for some people, marriage and children. for others, one of those and not the other. for others, just love without marriage. for others, sex.
Both Men and women want no strings attached relationship with no love, respect and loyality towards each other. The only goal is to have lots of money and lots of SEX.
I eventually want to marry and adopt a kid but my goal is to find someone who accepts me for me, wants to grow as an individual and in the relationship. It's so hard to find someone like that tho.
Living life and stop going by what society wants you to do with your life.
Guys aren’t men anymore, they don’t even try. So much, that they have tried to be a female. Why would a real woman want a guy? And a real guy doesn’t want a woman because he can’t make her submissive more. I wonder why 🙄
in my opinion it seems like want their cake and eat it too. Societal morals and values have shifted and that is one of the consequences of it.
It because people don't one hour to work through problems, and don't respect the vows they take. I blame dating app
Affording the bills, without kids. The only reason to get married these days, is that it's a tax benefit
It is though. Plenty of people get married daily so this notion that it isn't the goal is false.
In the year 2022 there were 1.99 million marriages in the U. S. alone. About 300,000 more than 2021.
but around half of all marriages end in divorce in the West, with overwhelming majority initiated by women
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy who are you kidding? Almost no men nowadays willing to get married unless they find the unicorn. Very few decent girls left. Even ones claiming to be are actually not when you peel away the facade. It's all risk and zero reward for men to marry nowadays. Most women refuse to have children, refuse to cook, don't want to be the female role but expect men to be men and deliver in their roles.
@ImalwaysrightOK: Statistics speak for themselves.
Men and women still desire marriage as its something natural since literally the beginning of time to form a family.
2 million marriages is a lot of marriages within a year in a nation, in fact when up from the pervious year 2021 by few hundred thousand marriages.
@bingbong: Unfortunately things don't work out sometimes as people hope for but the fact remains marriage is still popular in the U. S. regardless of what people say online or BS agenda they are trying to push.
When was that ever the ‘goal’ of a healthy relationship? It’s a relationship not a business deal. They are just byproducts…
What "relationships"? The goal is SITUationships AKA fuck buddy's. Have a roster of plates and keep'em spinnin'.
Travelling, experiencing new places, actives and cultures with each other, having fun without the responsibility of a child constantly being a worry.
To me it is either celibacy or marriage.
To me
the point of children was for the seed war of the bible
READ IT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE
Love, Happiness and companionship
Whatever you want it to be
Happiness, love & companionship
just fuck buddies
Common law with a dog.
living happily together and make memories?
Companionship.
Uh... happiness? So far, it's working out great.
To find your soulmate, duh.
Death and the grave for mankind
Enslaving one's self to substance.
Honestly I am dumbfounded with what is going on
Companionship
love
Companionship.
Avoiding dying alone
Fuck and forget?
Your individuality
To have a companion.
Companionship think.
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