Guys, who agrees with this statement: If she won't submit I won't commit?

[DextroShade]

Agree

Disagree

[HawkPerception]

Honestly out of the 3 relationships I've had, 2 of them my partners were not subs. My last one was a sub and now I don't think I can settle for anything less than that. A girl that's a sub just makes you feel like everything is right in the world and puts you in your most masculine state. She was traditional, told me she wanted me to make the choices and she'll go along with it, and she was an absolute sub in bed. She loved the whole master slave roleplay and loved being degraded. I felt incredible in the that relationship. Subs are the most feminine women.

[KrakenAttackin]

Agreed. A relationship that is a constant tug-of-war is no fun.

[adam6402]

I think it needs to be vice versa. The guy should take the first step and commit, but in return the woman should submit.

I don't expect my girl to submit to me if I haven't committed to her. But if I have committed to her then I absolutely expect her to submit in return.

[DextroShade]

She should proactively submit to earn your commitment.

[Anonymous]

Depends what you mean by "submit". I'm not a guy who's ego is so fragile I always have to be in charge. But I do have to know, have to have consistent signs that she's giving to the relationship as well. So when you say submit that's what I think of.

[DextroShade]

By "submit" I mean that she lets you as the man lead and make the major decisions in the relationship.

[Opinion Owner]

I know a lot of very strong women. Who give their husband's the feeling of leading. They support them. But there's NO QUESTION these women are equals. These women build up and support there men. Encourage these men to be better then even these men thought possible.
I think GOOD women like to feel their man is powerful and in charge, leading. And maybe it may look like he's in charge. But I promise you these women are very much equals.

[DextroShade]

No country has two presidents and no company has two CEOs, there always has to be a final decision maker and the woman needs to follow her man's lead even if she disagrees.

[Opinion Owner]

That's true but our country has checks and balances to ensure that power isn't too concentrated anywhere. Get it?

[DextroShade]

You are avoiding the point: say there is an important decision that you both just cannot agree on, who makes the final call?

[Juxtapose]

I don't need a submissive woman dude, I just want a woman who is not going to be difficult or have a shitty attitude.

[ProbablyClueless]

I was just thinking the same thing. I literally could not care less about a woman feeling like she needs to get on my program.

As long as the woman I'm dating isn't an emotional terrorist, actively creating problems, and generally making things needlessly complicated, I'm going to be happy. When women complain about how low the bar is for men, I don't think they realize how low it is for them.

[Juxtapose]

Yep! Us normal men are very relaxed when it comes to standards and the standards women bitch about are from top-tier guys who sleep with dozens of women a week.

"Oh your nipple looks too big."

No average guy is going to fucking say that lol.

[ProbablyClueless]

Heck, forget about the average guy, I don't even know especially desirable guys who think/say things like that.

[Juxtapose]

@ProbablyClueless yeah, me neither.

[Juxtapose]

Personally anyway. I could definitely point to some douchebag celebrity.

[ProbablyClueless]

Oh I'm sure those guys are out there, I just haven't met them. It's the same way with the apparent hordes of men who women say are constantly catcalling and sexually harassing them in everyday life.

I have no doubt that those types are out there. I also have no doubt that a meaningful percentage of women's complaints are exaggerated for attention.

[NathanDavis]

no, I am not an idiot

[maucremonipi-80955]

AGREE