Not The Same God?

[_SOARER]

INTRO

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all are derived or partially derived from the Abrahamic tradition. This has caused a lot of confusion in our age of relativism. Many Christians, Muslims or Jews might say something like "We all worship the same God." Nothing could be further from the truth. In this MyTake I will explain why that is. I also want to put a disclaimer, I am Catholic, this is my understanding of why Christians, Jews and Muslims worship different Gods. I will try and be as objective as I possibly can. If you know something, I didn't mention in this MyTake about Islam, Judaism or Christianity please comment below. Thank you.

WHICH GOD DO CHRISTIANS WORSHIP?

Christians worship Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God, more specifically he is one aspect or divine person of a trinitarian God. Christians worship One God, in three divine persons, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. The trinity makes Christianity distinct from Islam and Judaism. But why does this mean we worship different Gods? Because The Son, Jesus Christ, is God. Both Muslims and Jews reject this and thus do not worship the same God. To deny this divine person, is to deny God in all three aspects.

The Holy Spirit, The Father, and The Son

WHICH GOD DO JEWS WORSHIP?

Jews, worship Yahweh. Yahweh is there National God, Yahweh is the God of their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jews also believe that their God is Transcendent, absolute, indivisible(Contrary to trinitarian thought). Everything emanates from Yahweh and although he is transcendent he can interact with man directly. Ethnicity is fundamental to Jewish belief. Another aspect that makes the Jewish God distinct from the Christian God is the rejection of Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

God freed the Jews from Egypt and gave them a Covenant known as the Mosaic Covenant.

WHICH GOD DO MUSLIMS WORSHIP?

Muslims worship God, and refer to him in Arabic as Allah. Muslims also will invoke many other names to refer to the different qualities of God. To Muslims Allah is One, Absolute, All powerful, and All encompassing ruler of the Universe. They call this all encompassing and unique oneness,Tawhid. Muslims do follow and incorporate many stories of the abrahamic tradition and they also incorporate Jesus Christ and some of his teaching in their faith. Jesus Christ, to Muslims was a prophet. Its important to note that Muslims do not worship their prophets. Like Jews, Muslims reject the trinity which in turn makes them reject the Christian conception of God.

CONCLUSION

The fundamental difference between each faith is that they all conceive of God differently. It appears to me that Islam and Judaism have a more similar understanding of God because they reject the trinity. The thing that differentiates Islam and Judaism is that Jews view themselves as God's chosen. They have a nationalistic understanding of God and its tied to their ancestry. This is not the case in Islam or Christianity.

THANK YOU FOR READING

I am happy that you read this far. If you are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, or any other faith please discuss what makes your faith unique and distinct. I understand that there are a multitude of differences between the faiths. Also if I missed any important details about your faith please mention them below. If you think I was unfair, or inaccurate in my descriptions please let me know.

[just_legit1998]

Good Take! Sorry if this opinion might mess up this whole topic, but just to add, 3 of these from Abraham are considered the world's major religions alongside Dharmic religions as well such as: Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism (though the first 2 have more adherents).

Hindus worship different kinds of Gods. Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma etc.

Buddhists don't have any dieties and they don't worship Buddha, rather they show deep reverence to him by meditating, studying and praying.

Sikhism worships Guru Nanak and their temple is called a Gurdwara rather than Mandir which is used as a term for a Hindu temple.

Jainism has the 24 "Thirtankaras". They prominently worship Mahavira, Neminatha, Rishabhanatha and Parshavanta.

There are also folk religions which are not majority like: Shenism (China), Shintoism (Japan), Zoroastrianism (Iran) and Caodaism (Vietnam). And by the way, Taoism and Confucianism are not religions, they are philosophies, though the three laughs at tiger brook suggests that Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism are the main philosophies of China.

[_SOARER]

Thank you for the survey of the various eastern religions! The reasons why I didn't include those was because, they dont share the same tradition.
However, I will admit that many people subscribe to relativism, and think all faiths worship God in their own way. For that this survey is completely relevant. Thank you for reading

[Liam_Hayden]

Yes and no. Jews and Christians actually do have the same God, but disagree on whether Jesus was and is the incarnation. Misunderstanding God's identity does not mean a different God, but rather an unclear understanding of the extent and bounds of Deity..

The God of Islam, I will agree, is a different god. The Judeo-Christian Deity is not a deceiver.

[_SOARER]

Very articulate! the more I think about the more I agree with your statement about the disagreement about Jesus

[LovingLover]

But Yahweh is in the bible. And there is a little note in the back of the kjv saying its the divine name of God.
🤐

[_SOARER]

Even if Yahweh is the divine name of God, Jews still worship a different God because they rejected Jesus Christ. If they rejected the son? who are they really worshiping?

[LovingLover]

Meep

[Burcak]

all abrahamic gods are the same. thats why im jewish muslim and christian

[_SOARER]

Haha you can't be all 3 😝
Jews dont believe in Christ as messiah

[JimboGB]

Nice MyTake, I enjoyed reading it. I understand the christology argument and how that differs from Judaism but to say we do not worship the same God has the Jews is incorrect. I apprentice they reject Jesus as the messiah and therefore are not worshipping Jesus Christ, but Yahwew is the Father, who is one with the Son and the Holy Spirit. So Christians do believe in the same God as the Jews which originates in the Abrahamic tradition.

I am not going to waste of my time on Islam other than to say it is a false religion, lead by a false prophetic that came 600 years after Christ to contradict what he said. There is nothing Abrahamic about Islam. Moving swiftly on.

"Another aspect that makes the Jewish God distinct from the Christian God is the rejection of Jesus Christ as their Messiah." Jesus and the first Christians were all Jewish in ethnicity and it was only once the Jewish leaders had rejected Jesus did he turn to the gentiles, this asserts the old testament and doesn't contradict the word of god in the old testament but brought in a new covenant, this is the divergence between Christians and Jews. its a scriptural difference.

[Anonymous]

I really dont understand how you can know that all 3 of those religions are born out of the same nonsense and instead of drawing the conclusion that they are therefore all nonsense you think that one is accurate and the others are wrong.

That makes no sense.

I wouldn't even mind so much if people were following cooler sounding religions, its almost like you are deliberately trying to pick the worst possible role models to worship.

Why not worship Thor and Odin etc? At least they sound like they are actually powerful.

Muhammad was a pedophile and Jesus got nailed to a piece of wood.

These are not the role models for me.

Even sun worship, why not that? At least that makes sense, the sun really does give life to the whole world, all our energy and most of the weather etc is because of the sun.

But no, you want to invest yourself in obvious contradictions and circular arguments, bigotry and ignorance.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Seriously i dont know how you can just turn your minds off and accept these pathetic explanations.

Its just not good enough, not for me and it shouldn't be good enough for you either.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[_SOARER]

"Why not worship Thor and Odin etc? At least they sound like they are actually powerful."
Because those are gods, and not God.
The pagan religions and nature worship of ancient times dont hold up philosophically anymore.

There must be an initial creator, an Un-moved mover. The pagan myths of Europe, asia, africa, and the Americas dont provide an explanation that is philosophically sound for creation.

Thor is cool, sure, but he isn't all powerful, omnipresent and omnipotent. There is a reason why paganism was discarded throughout the civilized world for monotheistic faiths.

No one who actually practices paganism in the 21st century believes in it. Its a giant larp.

These explanations are philosophically profound. Its why the Jews were right about monotheism. And The Prophet Muhammad and Jesus Christ, were ardent monotheists. Its also why billions worship the One True God. The question I purposed in this mytake was that they might not actually be worshiping the one true god, according to a Christian world view. That each faith rejects the monotheistic worship of the other.

[Opinion Owner]

So its ok for a team of humans to make a car but the universe has to be soloed?

Thats absurd, even by the standards of a religious nut.

The universe or probably multiverse doesn't owe you an explanation, we are so astonishingly priviledged to live in a time when we have so many real answers to the big questions and yet you cling to your God of the gaps, ever weakening and retreating in the light of real knowledge, real answers.

[Opinion Owner]

How the fuck do you know anyway?

How dare you presume to have knowledge of a single God creator, you cannot know that.

I at least know that i dont know that there isn't one, its just the most unlikely thing ever proposed by a human.

The thing is though that all religious people some how miss, is that if we later do find out that there is a God or Gods, its not the one you have been following.. it will be a new thing and leaps of faith won't be a requirement because we will have evidence for it.

[_SOARER]

I dont presume anything. Socrates postulated that there must be an un-moved mover, an omnipresent God 2500 years ago. Him among others had used philosophical reasoning to come to the conclusion that their has to be an original God, who is omnipresent and omnipotent.

You are the presumptuous one here. You presumed things about MyTake, you presumed things about my beliefs and now you presume I have 0 insight or 0 research to back up my claim that their must be one true God, because there has to be one true eternal creator. (Which was not the intention of this MyTake but you brought it up)

[Opinion Owner]

But you do presume.

Quote: There must be an initial creator, an Un-moved mover. (This is also you bringing up the subject of a creator)

Quote: Thor is cool, sure, but he isn't all powerful, omnipresent and omnipotent. There is a reason why paganism was discarded throughout the civilized world for monotheistic faiths.

[_SOARER]

Yeah those quotes are accurate not presumptuous
They are based on a philosophical truth, that if there is a God, and that God is true he has to be One, He has to be omnipresent and omnipotent. If he isn't though things, he can't be the True God.

[Opinion Owner]

There is no substance to what you just said.

You are trying to gain some kind of credibility by presenting this God idea as a 'philosophical truth' but this 'truth' is just circular.

All you are doing is defining a God as having x, y, z properties and saying that if an entity doesn't have these properties then it doesn't qualify.

Well so what?

It doesn't mean anything.

[Opinion Owner]

But lets talk about assumption and presumption for a moment, i tend to use those terms interchangably, Im quite lazy with that because its not something that matters very often, i think my meaning is generally understood.

But there is a difference, an assumption is something based on nothing and a presumption is based on probabilities, so you could say that a presumption carries more weight than an assumption, both are still unknown but there is at least some reason to presume something over just assuming something.

What you have tried to do is put each of us onto a level playing field by saying well we are both making assumptions or presumptions and that therefore one cancels out the other and the scales are balanced.

But that isn't the case at all.

All i have presumed is that as a person who explictly states they are catholic that you have some ideas and beliefs that go along with that, i dont even feel it is necessary to even outline what those ideas are because its pretty well understood. Ok your exact beliefs and position may differ in places to my assumptions or presumptions but its unlikely that i am going to be very far away from the mark.

Your assumptions (as your claims are entirely baseless) are that you can have access to knowledge which is beyond the capability of a human, you claim to know that there is a single all powerful creator. You are borderline claiming to be a God yourself, or if not a God as a minimum you are super human / supernatural, you claim powers of knowledge which are outside of the realm of possibility.

So these things are not at all equal, my presumptions are totally reasonable and supported by other things you have said your assumptions are literally insane, you would actually have to be delusional to think those things.

[Rocco7070]

Christians and Jews in arabic speaking countries pray to Allah, its arabic for the word GOD, all three religions are Abrahamic, from Abraham, who is the father to the Jewish and Islamic related people, Christians foklow the Jew, Jesus with his Jewish base, soo therefore are connected or graphted on, There are some who insist that Allah is not the same God, he is, Jehova, Adonoi and Allaha are the very same with same origins but just manafested by diifferent language or traditions.

[OfDeath]

Actually it isn't far from the truth at all. Those religions DO all worship the same god. Yahweh was originally the god of storms in a polytheistic religion. A group broke off of this religion and adopted Yahweh as their god. That group became known as the Jews. Christianity arose when another group broke off of this group and made claim to a Messiah in Jesus Christ who was the human incarnate of Yahweh. (And in the story, he fucked his own mother. Just saying). Islam also worships Yahweh but they call it Allah because that means god in Arabic. So there you go.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Interesting information. I have always been curious about one thing. That is, according to Christianity, if Jesus, The Son, is the God, then who is The Father and what do we call him?

[_SOARER]

The Father is God :)
God is the Father :)

[ItsTheNephilim]

So The Father and The Son (Jesus), both are Gods?

[_SOARER]

Jesus is God's begotten son. He brought Jesus about as an extension of himself into this world. Jesus was not created.

[ItsTheNephilim]

So Jesus is more like an extension of some other God?
Do Christians believe in both Jesus and The Father as equals or do they believe one is more powerful or more 'authentic'?

Also, in a way, The Father is The Son?

[_SOARER]

They are the same God in different aspects.
They are both God, not Gods :)

[ItsTheNephilim]

Same God, alrighty. Thanks for the information.

[_SOARER]

Thank you for reading!

[Daniel3035]

Not religious I was religious in Islam from my family. After that, I saw Jesus after dying and coming back to life I learned some things the soul that derives each religion is the same soul the religions are all the same just updated the point is not what they say it's what they represent.

[Gedaria]

I think you want to rethink a bit.
Firstly the God they have in common is Yahweh or Jehovah.
Ideal was God's chosen race in which the Messiah was to come through. This started with Abraham, one of his sons Ismael was the line of the Muslim Faith came from
Now Jesus was born in the line of Abraham, making him to promised saviour and Messiah.
The direction of the line changed from the Jewish Nation to Jesus.
But Christian's fo
Allow Jesus who directs people to follow God...

[Bratsondanielle]

Ohh my god it's all the same ok some dude created everything and he has a son. Sometimes it is a profit and sometimes not. There's a holy book and a church and some special water ( still oxygen and hydrogen) but it's holy

[888theGreat]

Allah is the god of the moon to Muslims , The Christian God is the moon, stars, sun , earth and Jesus , The Jewish is same as Christian's God minus Jesus. They believe he hasn't been here yet.

[genericname85]

it's funny how religious folks love to skip the part where they establish that something exists first before comparing. it's like discussing whether superman would beat son goku. what's the point? they're both fictional and not real.

[Guffrus]

Dude, Superman would not beat Goku.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus i agree. but what does it matter?

[Guffrus]

Well I think it undermines your point, the idea that Superman could beat Goku is so wildly unrealistic that all the religious issues pale in comparrison.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus my point is they're both fictional. meaning they don't exist in the real world. so it doesn't even matter whom beats whom, cause you could just make up reasons why one or the other would win. and nothing of that has any consequences on the real world we share.

[Guffrus]

Now you are just being ridiculous.

I realise that they talk an awful lot of bullshit in the Bible etc but by what mechanism is Superman ever going to beat Goku and who would write such crap?

You can lie to yourself if you want but don't tell me that it doesn't matter, no one wants to live in a world where Superman beats Goku and its hard to even speculate what awfulness such a world would manifest, the consequences don't bear thinking about.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus by what "mechanism"? there's no "mechanism". they're both fictional. there's no mechanisms in fiction. you could apply a fictional logic like for example: super man is powered by the sun so you just need a fictional hyper super mega ultra power sun and then superman is stronger than goku. my point is: it's all bullshit to begin with. so even discussing this is just adding more bullshit. and YES THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!! that was my point all along.

[Guffrus]

Jibberish.

I don't care if you are bussing in suns from some alternate universe, there is no amount of sun power which is going to allow Superman to beat Goku.

Just look at their hair cuts for God's sake, it should be obvious which the best one is.

[Guffrus]

busing*

[genericname85]

@Guffrus yes it is jubberish! that is my point.

[Guffrus]

Ok, but it's too much.

If you are trying to show off your first car to your mates it's no good parking it next to a Bugatti Veyron; your Ford Fiesta is going to be complelely eclipsed by the Veyron and so it is with bullshit.

How can anyone continue to care about religious bullshit when you park that idea next to it?

I dare you, I fucking double dare you; goto comicon and tell those people your weird Superman theories and see what happens.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus well the difference to "the real world" is that there's very simple methods to objectively measure the truth of a given statement. like if the statement was "my car is better at parking", then we could actually come up with a way to measure this and then commence to either confirm or deny the statement by practical testing in the real world that will yield results independend of our own subjective believe.

that is impossible with fiction. so it's impossible with god, superman and son goku. there the only method would be adding subjective nonsense where we could never have a result independend of what me or you subjectively think.

[Guffrus]

Are you an agent of ISIS or something?

Are you trying to undermine western democracy?

It's because of people like you that we have to have hate laws. I am offended by the notion that any test need be done to prove that Goku is superior to Superman, the truth is obvious and you Sir are a monster.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus i already know you're a troll dude. you don't have to try even harder xD

[Guffrus]

I'm not a troll.

Troll's have ill intent and aren't funny.

[genericname85]

@Guffrus well you have ill intend and you're funny to me :D so that checks out ;)

[Guffrus]

lols

[moonpie89]

Interesting. Are you religious?

[_SOARER]

I guess so haha. Tbh I still have a lot to learn :) I have been researching Religions over last 3 years as a hobby. Eventually, I began believing in Jesus Christ <3
Recently i have been researching catholcism and might finally get baptized.

[moonpie89]

Interesting. Thanks 😊

[Kelly6]

There are many mistakes in your info.
and some basic point you forgot!

[OddBeMe]

But why bother with any god?