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I thinks it's highly unlikely rebirth happens and they're quite illogically if we're thinking of the Buddhist/Hindu version of it. It would basically be the same as deceasing to exist after death that many none-religious people believes in.
Here's examples on logical fallacies with rebirth and karma.
1. You can't remember your previously memories or lives, so how are you supposed to learn the lesson of what's right or wrong if you can't remember? It's like expecting someone to learn to read if they're unable to storage their memories. The day after they would still be as illiterate as the day before.
2. If you're supposed to be taught what's wrong from the "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" method you're dependent on someone else never breaking the evil circle. If you're a murderer and the karma-system wants to punish you in your next life for it making you a murder victim the next life, then someone else have to murder you. If there's not any artificial intelligent "robots" disguised as people doing it, but actually real human beings, then they would never get rid of the karma and the circle would be continuous assuming murder would still be considered wrong. It would also be intervening with free will of choose.
3. The identity paradox is the major problem with explaining rebirth. If you lose all your previously memories, personality traits, everything from your former lives and even gets born as something completely different as previously like gender and specie, would it still be you and the same person? If no, wouldn't it be considered deceasing to exist after death and no rebirth? If yes, what defines you?
Yes, some Buddhists believes a snake, gorilla, ant, fish and a human being can be the same person. Sure they've something in common like eating and shitting, but so do all other human beings have. It has to be something else - something more you and these previously lives have in common to be capable to "define you". What's the rational answer defending the argument that my neighbor's former cat is now my newborn nephew for instance? It's just a fictional example, but still, how can you explain that? What's the identity?
4. What's the purpose of rebirth and existing in the first place? Yes, you can ask this to all religions. How you can ask a Christian what's the point of existing on earth firstly before going to Heaven or be sent to Hell by an all-loving, all-knowing, all-powerful god, or how you can ask an none-believer what's the point of something being created of "nothing", you can also ask a Buddhist or Hindu what's the point of getting born in the first place if you're going to decease to exist anyway if you manage to break the rebirth cycle.
All these suffering on earth could be avoided if you didn't exist in the first place, so being born in the first place, reborn multiple times to do the "right thing" to just break the cycle and decease to exist as a reward is a concept that's difficult to grasp. Yes, you do get more chances than in Christianity where you either goes to Heaven or Hell, but you can't remember all the chances you got. You didn't need to be born in the first place either. If none were born, none would suffer and this game wouldn't exist.
Summary:
1. Memory loss
2. Breaking the circle
3. The identity paradox
4. The purpose of life as the game
In addition there's no science backing up this belief.
The science is what Jim Tucker and Ian Stevenson are getting to. We aren't even talking of Hinduism or Buddhism, or karma or it's purpose.
When Hindus and Buddhists talk about you being born as a snake, or an ant it's not you, it's your personality or tendencies, not your intelligence (which is a human's intelligence), not your body (which is also a human's body).
Is there an aspect particular to a being that resurfaces in another body (after it is born) and the previous one ends?
If no, what explains the cases the two researchers are finding? Jim Tucker and Ian Stevenson are studying such cases.
Here is some of what I wrote about this:
Seemingly real spirit manifestations bolster the Abrahamic concept of an afterlife, not reincarnation. Reincarnation involves spirits, after exiting the deceased, circuitously inhabiting various bodies, irrespective of their being male, female, or animal. This system demotes bodies into mere temporary vehicles, instead of integral components complimenting the complete individual. After researching the clothing style of the first spirit who appeared to me, I discovered that this dress was only concurrent with ancient time periods, such as the Grecian Empire's. This demonstrated that spirit's affixation to an ancient period and the importance of her former body, instead of body hopping throughout history as reincarnation proponents assert.
Reincarnation also suffers from a lack of credibility; hypnotized Americans constantly claim past lives of royalty and fame, instead of boring peasantry, the lives of the vast majority throughout history. Also, there is the book: Reincarnation Refuted: Evidence, Logic, and Common Sense by Stephen Blake. This info comes from pages 64-65 from Chapter VIII (8) on my website: www.thezap.net
No, there is no rebirth or reincarnation. God gives you one life and one life to live, after you die and i mean officially die, their is no going back or repeats. Otherwise if rebirths/reincarnation did happen then we would have absolute strangers contacting everyone every day explaining that it's their mom, dad, brother, aunt, cousin, wife, husband etc.. that passed away but are back and they still remember everything. Once you die, you go to stand before God cause to be abscent from the body is to be present with God. You're soul is eternal so it's either eternity with God... or eternity without God. That's it, nothing else. No reincarnation, no purgatory, no coming back again.
remembering your past life is actually part of reincarnation or what a lot of people believe.
Re-birth is when you get baptised. You're talking about re-incarnation. I've seen no evidence of it, personally.
You're talking of the "Christian definition" here, not the Buddhist/Hindu definition.
Rebirth: When a soul gets reborn as something completely new. That means usually a new personality and sometimes also as another gender, specie etc.
Re-incarnation: When a soul gets born at new, but this time as something similar as the previously thing. E. g. Buddha and Jesus can according to some religions be born as something similar as they originally was because of they've achieved the "truth" that others may not have (due sins).
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No. Even if it were true, it wouldn’t be you. Suppose that it did happen and some thing, people call it a soul, exit your body and goes into another one. It’s has no memories or personality from before. No knowledge of loved one, nothing. The question becomes what constitutes you as you? If you say your soul, what really distinguishes it from other souls? And if you said your soul, without personality, memory, etc. then wouldn’t you be assigning significance to something that is pretty arbitrary? I can say I am the reincarnated trilobite millions of years ago since the carbon in my body is from that trilobite, or eating a cow is technically still veganism since the cow eats the grass. The thing is that these are all examples of arbitrarily adding meaning. What you should do instead is that if there was something that is true, what is it’s logical implications?
The implications are separate. The question here is, is there an aspect particular to you that continues to exist after death.
So certain tendencies very particular to you for instance of you might be found in a kid both in the family 15 years afterwards. That's what the research is about.
I mean the atoms that make up you. But what does that matter?
But those aren’t specific at all.
So what do you think explains the cases where a kid remembers the exact name of a WW2 plane that was in flight, where it crashed, or the names of the other pilots he flew with? What explains it in your view? I can agree that kids can make up vivid stories, but if those stories match exactly with facts - there is definitely something else to it.
There are a lot of places a kid might’ve picked it up. That kid might’ve just listen to a stranger talking about that, and just saying what a stranger said.
And yet, know information accurately? Kids do say a lot of things, but if a kid accurately (before GPS or Google Maps existed), speaks of a pub where a person worked and you went there on vacation for the first time and asked around and found that information to be true, what would you think?
Kids can hear a lot of things. Kids are like parrots in a sense.
I think so because sometimes when sitting doing various things suddenly flash will play in my mine of something totally different and something I have never seen. No its not a daydream since I'm fully awake.
But it could be just a vivid imagination from a movie or something you've seen or imagine yourself to be in.
The key here is valid information. You can imagine an experience, and even convince your mind to make stories about it, but you can't accurately know information of that hasn't been shared before to you nor could you have known by any source.
Sorry not with me I can tell what is imaginary and real. I know this sounds strange but these flashes are real and know I been there but I not in this life. If these flashes lasted for like a few minutes then yes imagination but a few seconds no plus they have no connection with anything I'm doing. I do see where you are coming from.
Not in the sense you mean it... I call myself a born-again Christian but it has nothing to do with dying and then coming back as a different person, rather it is all to do with believing I'm recreated as a being capable of knowing, loving, and serving God as I was prior to, wholly unable.
I don't really believe in reincarnation. It would be cool, but I honestly doubt it. If I could, I would, but I dunno.
What do you have to say about this case?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l7bcb3aoGc
The boy recollects specifics, which is something a kid couldn't have made up.
No. A ressurection is what happens. God will unite your spirit back to your flesh to be judged then it's either to inherit the new earth or go to hell.
If they don't believe in the ressurection of both the good and evil then I don't agree with them.
Good and evil are general ideas. This is about specific cases where kids remember details of an event that happened and it couldn't have been made up - like the make of a WW2 plane that you have to study WW2 history to know about, name of a specific pilot who fought and died on a specific day. A kid can't make that up.
I am just gonna be honest
why the fuck are you guys and girls so fucking stupid
instead of actually picking up these books and reading them to see if they are telling the truth
you shove a finger up your ass and stay stupid
it is really this simple
PICK UP THOSE BOOKS
you know which ones
then maybe you would not be asking such stupid questions like this lol
fucking retards
Glory to my Christ above the dome
hey above the dome guy. Another video huh? No, wait. its the same video you used before. Of a rocket which hits your dome. wow. the optics of the vid are so... so... uh well, they are n't so good, are they. But... well... this has to be sound scientific proof of whatever it is you are trying to prove. Because you said so. Would you please explain again what it is you are trying to prove?
I told you last time-start taking your medications again.
@juliaanita
shut up you are a retard and a woman
no one cares about what you say
and you know that
your job is to look pretty and shut up
assuming you even look pretty lol
I don't care about your feelings leave me alone this is not for you
now get the fuck out of here you worthless piece of shit
See? this is what happens when you don't take your medications every single day. You get all delusional and angry. Especially at women. you use nasty language. Especially at women.
Imagine that-a christian who uses bad language. At women.
but that's another issue all together.
The real issue is your current tirade. And that bad video.
Come on under the dome guy-These delusions about rockets and a dome and a flying god will stop. But you have to take your medications as prescribed.
@juliaanita
LEAVE ME ALONE
ok. I will. Just don't be so mean when you write something. You are entitled to your beliefs. And I won't bug you again.
unless you start labeling people with the F word.
Then, as usual, i will call you out on it.
bye for now.
If it was good enough for General Patton, it's good enough for me:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Image
"Patton was a staunch fatalist,[203] and he believed in reincarnation. He believed that he might have been a military leader killed in action in Napoleon's army in a previous life, or a Roman legionary.[3][204]"
Axelrod, Alan (2006), Patton: A Biography, London: Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 978-1-4039-7139-5
Brighton, Terry (2009), Patton, Montgomery, Rommel: Masters of War, New York City: Crown Publishing Group, ISBN 978-0-307-46154-4
Like the Hindu religion? It's a possibility but no. I think it would be nice though. I'd rather be reincarnated than be dead in Heaven (a perfect place).
I like to dream it exists but deep down I know there is no after life or rebirth
Yup, but not for everyone. I think both happens, there is a beyond / after life your contiousness goes to. And when your ready/willing you can choose to be born again in a physical body.
no i don't. also from what you said, the story with jum ticker and ian stevenson doesn't make sense without you saying what those are about... or do you expect everybody to google that up?
I've seen a study long time ago where they asked children to completely make up a story of a previous live and they also asked children that claimed they had a previous life for real. They tasked a separate group of investigators to investigate all the stories and they could find equally plausible evidence for all the children stories. The made up ones and the "real" ones. We humans are definitely good at making up stuff apparently.
If the kids came up with something general, I could say it can be made up. But if they come up with restaurants that existed in a street 60 years ago and names of individuals who worked there, and we verified the names were exact, we can know it was not possible to make that up.
Also for the study mentioned do you have a name or a link?
No seriously they did find details like that too. It wasn't just general stories. It was very elaborate. It probably has a lot to do with the 6 degrees of separation.
as i said it's long ago. i don't care to proof it or look it up. to me, rebirth is superstitious nonsense that people kling to, cause they're scared of death. the prospect of rebirth is so enticing, they ignore everything in order to be able to believe it.
if you wanna be that guy, i'm not standing in your way.
let me give you a piece of advice. i know we're not that different in age but still. in those questions that are uncertain, first ask yourself what do you want to believe. then after you figure out what you wanna believe, try your very best to find someting that is evidence that you are wrong. don't go and find stuff that further cements what you already think. there's no point of doing that.
don't follow those that say what you want. look for for those that disagree with you and see if they have a point.
i bet you haven't read any texts that critically analyze their claims. they both failed to provided evidence for their ideas. they have raised a few new theories working with quantum mechanics, that we quite simply don't understand yet but pushing the explanation for your idea into the unknown realm isn't scientific.
also the quantum mechanics theory tucker developed is quite simplistic and hardly more than "a funny idea".
I believe in reincarnation, yes.
There is rebirth but it not that common. I saw in long island medium
Not in the literal sense. I mean either you come back as mulch or your constituent chemicals are released into the atmosphere.
I want to believe in it quite badly, but it just seems so impossible and it would make no sense...
No , where is the thinking behind this. In my reading of the Bible this is not mentioned.
Nope
Do you mean rebirth or reincarnation?
So what do you have to say about the case of James Leininger?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l7bcb3aoGc
Go for it. He does say cases of traumatic, "unnatural" deaths is what makes the memories resurface - like death in accident, combat or something of that nature.
My only skepticism is on how people distinguish a vivid imagination from reality - a person could be saying the truth based on their vivid imagination, but if the remotest facts are true, then we have to ask how the information was known to the kid. And even if the parents are making this up, it's hard to think 66% of the cases would be that way.
Yes.
Probably yeah
It's for sure unlikely!
I believe in it
Wtf is rebirth?
No, that's just fantasy
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