How can anyone believe in God after learning about such a tragic event?

[Anonymous]

A teenage girl is kidnapped, raped, and tortured mercilessly day after day in the sickest of ways. Her name was Junko Furuta, you can Google it but it's gonna ruin your whole day. I used to believe in God, but after reading what happened to her, I thought to myself, "If God didn't save Junko, why would He have any more reason to help someone get a new boyfriend or a new car?"

[sean1234]

Because people have free will, to do good or evil. People would be living in extreme fear if they knew they would be struck down by God for sinning, this world wouldn't even exist. Rape, theft and murder aren't the only things evil in God's eyes. What about his other laws? For instance, most seem to not "remember" the Sabbath day and keep it holy. That is bad as rape in the eyes of God and Jesus. People were given free will to read God's actual laws in his actual Book (KJV BIBLE), obey God's laws or not.

Don't blame God, Blame the great deceiver "Satan" for fooling people into sin.

[all_hayl]

I was able to guess your age without even looking. You sound very young and immature - like your seriously lack life experience. I mean, going from someone experiencing torture to talking about getting cars and boyfriends. You’ve got some growing up to do.

[all_hayl]

by the way, you succinctly answer your question - free will is a thing.

[all_hayl]

*to* succinctly answer your question….

[slatyb]

I have no idea how people can believe. I was about 10 when I started thinking that God is a fairy tale. By 13 I was certain. I'm not certain there is no God, no one could be. I am certain that if there is a God, it's nothing like the God described in any writings.

[sean1234]

Ironically no one really reads the writings, only listens to their false teachers. It's weird, why have false teachers that don't teach what the Bible actually says on purpose? 🤷‍♂️

[slatyb]

@sean1234 No one knows what the Bible really says. Most people treat the King James bible as if it came directly from the mouth of God. The King James Old Testament is translation of older translations and transcriptions of even older oral tradition. The King James New Testament is of course also a translation.

[sean1234]

That's the thing though, it's not hard to understand at all, these days people are brainwashed by their freemason preachers that have infiltrated their church preaching falsely on purpose, they end up reading right over the meaning if even reading the kjv at all. Many believe the 10 commandments are outdated even though Jesus and his apostles repeate them constantly in the New Testament to obey🤷‍♂️. Do people do this with math, history or science class in school? No, lol! Archeological evidence shows the Kjv is soo authentic, with every cuneiform tablet Greek and Hebrew text that exists of sorts, the Kjv is spot on word by word.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 archaeological and geological evidence shows that Genesis and Exodus are entirely mythical. There’s no evidence that any of the miracles of the New Testament were real, only stories written long after they purportedly happened.

[sean1234]

Oh yeah? Go watch Hydroplate theory on youtube

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4hhE6tzJR_c
It's a long video.

[sean1234]

That video proves you totally wrong. I can give other links to other vids that explain more.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 No thanks. I've heard it all before. I have a pretty solid understanding of geology and biochemistry and the mechanism of evolution. The science is clear and the scientific community is nearly unanimous except for a few zealots who believe the myths of Genesis without evidence. Those arguments are laughable except to people who are, for some reason, based on no evidence, certain that Genesis is literally true. Even Jewish Rabbis understand that Exodus is a myth.

[sean1234]

Lol, I have seen the proof from videos like that one to know that the people you listen to are complete frauds. Oh and yes, there is MUCH Kjv Bible evidence.

I always find it strange that only people like yourself only want to look at only one side and not both. As if I haven't heard both sides. I heard all the nonsense you were taught, looked at BOTH sides and saw the actual truth.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 Right. Is suppose all geological science is wrong? You and an small number of zealots know more than people who have spent a lifetime studying the Earth. They are all wrong because the story they tell contradicts your magic book of fairy tales? You are like children who can’t handle an uncomfortable truth.

[sean1234]

They spent a lifetime trying to prove God doesn't exist by any means necessary. It's ironic, the Bible is a history book and books like of evolution have no basis for reality and are fairytails.

"They are all wrong because the story they tell" is proven false by real scientists. Just because you are ignorant, doesn't mean those real scientists are wrong.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 No one is trying to prove that a God doesn’t exist. Instead we see that there is no evidence that God exists so we live our lives without worrying about t. The one thing that seems to be clear is that prayer is useless. Misfortune falls equally means n he devout and the skeptical.

[sean1234]

There is evidence, you simply choose not to look at it. I have always found that extremely strange. How is it any different than any other subject any other thing to learn? The student yet again says to the teacher 2+2=22 and doesn't want to look at why it equals 4. "No no teacher, I don't need to look at what you have to show me.😒"

[slatyb]

@sean1234 I require physical, observable evidence and there is none. The only evidence we have is negative -- prayer has never been shown to work. Sure, some people pray and their cancer goes into remission. But some other people don't pray and their cancer goes into remission. When it has been tested, it did not work. People ill in hospital who were prayed for did no better than people who were not.

What's left? Words in an old book are not evidence. The argument about the necessity of a creator is circular. Arguments based on the improbability of us being here also aren't persuasive. So what? It's clear that there's nothing to pray to, so there's nothing for me to do. So I'm not doing it.

[sean1234]

All of you are the same... you just can't see it. I already showed you evidence, did you watch it? You said "No thanks"

[slatyb]

@sean1234 I don't have time for videos of Christian apologetics. There's been nothing new said since the Scopes trial. If you have an argument to make, make it.

[sean1234]

Yet you listened to all the other crap? Why only it? Satan puts soo much crap out there, to cover up the truth so people like yourself don't want to even look. That link I gave, he's giving a presentation with pictures and such like a college professor would, not a preacher. Things that have been found out within the past couple of decades.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 Listened to it? No, I studied science. Scientific theories are backed with physical evidence that I could check for myself but mostly I don't because hundreds of other people already have.

[sean1234]

Like Lucy? The ape human hybrid? People used frauds like that as physical evidence to prove evolution. When I look at large canyons and realized they looked like they were formed by powerful rushing waters, as if there was a world wide flood. Dinosaurs are millions of years old... oh wait ✋ , there's bone marrow in that T-Rex fossil, lol. Not to mention those fish fossils, you know what happens to a dead fish, after a while, there's nothing left of them, only a world wide flood could fossilize soo many things everywhere. Those fish were buried alive in an instant.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 Right, you have got it all figured it out and all the worlds geologists and biologists, after many lifetimes of study, are all wrong. No thanks, I understand the science and it tells a consistent story. None of young-Earth creationism is physically possible.

[sean1234]

Not only has it already been proven, but they at the same time proved all your people false. Fine, don't look at all the incontrovertible proof.

[slatyb]

@sean1234 Flood waters cannot carve mile-deep canyons through solid rock in a few days. We know how quickly rivers erode hard rock — about 1 inch per century on average. There are scab lands caused by glacial floodwaters, like the coulees in eastern Washington. They are a hundred feet deep and were carved in soft soil. . We can see the long geological history of the Earth written on the canyon walls and on the mountainside. I have heard all the arguments for young Earth creationism and none are in agreement with the Earth we see.

[Anonymous]

It would seem like it couldn't get worse but there are people out there who will tell you that God wanted that to happen, she was supposed to learn something from the experience or whatever.

Religion is not just wrong, its absolutely disgusting.

[jshm2]

Yeah they had a good laugh about it.

Not the case, but the drama queen antics of wannabee edgelords like you. That have used Junko's tragedy for your own pity party since the 80's.

It's no wonder only Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks you're a prick.

[call_me_scar]

Yes because love is letting others get raped good message of peace their mr random mash up of letters

[Guffrus]

@jshm2 There is something really wrong with you.

Whatever religion it is you think you are following, Im calling bullshit, none of them told you that you were supposed to be a total fucking bellend.

[king34]

i dont think you understand what god is, he's not the same as a genie, the reason bad things happen is because humans have free will and people choose to do bad things, hyper focusing on a tragedy doesn't correlate to an argument for gods nonexistence, that logic will always be flawed and won't bring you to the truth of the questions your asking.

[AndrésC64]

Free Will doesn't solve your problem for your God's problem. He didn't care about the Free Will of the little girl. In fact, he cared more about the Free Will of the sick bastards who did that to her.

How God Favors Evil
https://youtu.be/Z1BzP1wr234

[king34]

@AndrésC64 you didn't make an argument against what i said you just, ignored it and said something contrary, nobody can have more or less free will than another, we all make our own decisions, free will is all or nothing, our decisions effect each other, if god were to grant wishes like a genie or mitigate consequences of our actions, then it wouldn't be free will. I'm not watching the video if its gonna be saying the same thing you just said, then its a waste of time.

[AndrésC64]

@king34 Wrong. And if you really want to get into it, NO ONE has free will, not even God. Let's start with God; God CAN’T do ANYTHING other than what he KNOWS he is going to do. He can't even change his mind. If he KNOWS that I am going to have lunch at 2:00 tomorrow afternoon, then I HAVE TO have lunch at 2 tomorrow afternoon, there is NOTHING ANYONE, God for I, can do to change that. Let's just ignore that whole part. God obviously doesn't care about free will, because the girl that was kidnapped absolutely WAS NOT exercising her free will, the sick bastards that kidnapped her WERE exercising THEIR FREE WILL. God COULD HAVE HELPED HER exercise her free will, but instead he CHOSEN to let the sick bastards have THEIR FREE WILL. You obviously didn't watch the video. And finally, if someone does something INTENTIONALLY, of their own FREE WILL, and with KNOWLEDGE of the consequences of THEIR ACTIONS, then THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES of their actions.

[king34]

@AndrésC64 okay the whole first half there is plagued with logical fallacies and misconceptions, you were basically giving me your philosophy on how you believe destiny works (which is off topic), your getting god mixed up with destiny, and your also placing human ideas of time, thought and decisions on a 10th dimensional being is dumb, to say what he can and can't do as it pertains to his existence is also dumb, i believe your confusing free as an opposite of destiny which is totally wrong and also off topic

on to the second half of your reply, your making a lot of misconceptions about god, and free will, I think you misunderstand the concept of free will, people make their choices bad things happen because there are bad people who make bad bad choices, people do bad things to others, god hasn't given more or any less free will to any person, if i go rape someone tomorrow, god didn't take that victims free will away, I chose with my own will to infringe on that persons free will myself, you have this idea that god is doing it, people hurt people on their own accord, and like I said free will is all or nothing god. and yeah I told you I didn't watch the video because it would have wasted my time. i think you and many athiest have a plethora of misconceptions about god
god is not a genie, nor is he a living interpretation of your view of destiny

[AndrésC64]

@king34 1) name one logical fallacy I made 2) you obviously still haven't watched the video.

Do both of the above or there is really no point in continuing this dialogue.

[king34]

@AndrésC64 lmao why would i want to continue this thread? this never was a dialog being the fact that you never respond to any points, you just repeat your counter point, with no argument, i have no interest in debating someone who's too weak or too scared to have a legitimate discussion, if you need youtubers to explain your beliefs, and you can't explain or even adequately defend them, then you should REALY rethink your beliefs, because if you truly had the answer to what you believe in you wouldn't be running every time someone challenges it, im not wasting my time on your video, you gotta stop being a coward, because deep down you know your wrong, your just deep in cognitive dissonance. from now on dont step into a ring if you can't box, and dont challenge someone more educated unless your willing to be educated. unless your reply starts with a legitimate on topic argument, I LITERALY won't READ PAST THE FIRST FEW WORDS, nor will i respond, im NOT wasting my time, either man up or get lost

by the way i already told you one of the fallacies you committed but you obviously aren't educated on them, because if you were you would have known i already said one, its like im talking to a high school kid, other than the one i already named you also used, appeal to ignorance and false dilemma

[sean1234]

@AndrésC64 God has rules, decisions set, if he changes his mind, then that would make him a liar, that would make him Satan, a great deceiver.

[NathanDavis]

you think of god as someone that has to help you get boyfriends and cars?

[Asker]

No, I'm saying that some people say, "Thank God for helping me find the love of my life!" or "Thank God for helping me get promoted!"

[NathanDavis]

and you actually never ever heard of tragedy before this one google search you did?

the world out there is quite cruel

[Asker]

You're missing the point of my post. Basically, bad things happen every single day and God is not there to help, so why do people thank him for apparently answering their prayers? If God is not helping the millions of starving children around the world, why are people thanking him for helping them get a job promotion?

[NathanDavis]

well, because they feel thankful to be that lucky that things either are going their way, or something so horrible is not happening to them

but also, something you said in your post is that you stopped being a believer yourself

[Asker]

I should add that I stopped being a believer at age 12, when I first read this case. And just because they feel lucky, doesn't mean that God is helping them. My uncle worked hard and now he's a successful business owner. He got there through hard work, effort, and time. Not because he prayed to God. Like I can sit here all day and pray to God for a million dollars, but it's not gonna come unless I put effort into that goal. God's not helping anyone.

[NathanDavis]

I see what you say but it is also true that nobody is really alone out there and does everything on their own effort

we're all a network and a series of both fortunate and unfortunate events waiting to happen

if it doesn't happen to us, or it happens to us... positively or negatively... that can very well be called luck, or the grace of god, or something else, and it's not the main reason why it happens but it sure is part of why things happen the way they do happen.. it's what you call influence

[Asker]

I call it luck, not "God." I guess that's where we differ.

[NathanDavis]

and I sure appreciate and am thankful for my luck and fortune, so far anyway... (knocking on wood)

[NamerOfStars]

The same way I can still believe in the Japanese police force. Terrible things happen because people have free will, and are capable of choosing to do terrible things- basic cause and effect.

[call_me_scar]

To he fair this just shows that If a god exists it's a complete bellend but yeah people will always make excuses for the bad things and call every little good thing a miracle

[AndrésC64]

How God Favors Evil
https://youtu. be/Z1BzP1wr234

[Medhat-M]

There might be a God.. But he's not a merciful fair God...

[Anonymous]

The cruelty of humans has no relation on the existence or non existence of any god.

[Iron_Man]

Maybe he protects the more serious Christian people

[sean1234]

Well, quite frankly, yes. God protects those who believe in his word.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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Revelation 22:16-19 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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[Iron_Man]

@sean1234 👍

[VikingWarLord]

Read Strabo "Geographica" Book I, Chapter II and Verse VIII

[HeartFullOfGlue]

This is why I'm really hesitant to believe a God is for us or is even there

[Cringe]

God was busy

[Ms_sage]

Bruh🤣🤦🏾

[HeartFullOfGlue]

With what