Christians, Do you agree that god is a failure?

[Creampiekarl420]

I believe he is because even after all he has done people still don’t know if he cares and it made me realize how laughably powerless god is in terms of where we go when we die

Yes

No/ explain

Updates

+1 y

Hey folks I feel like I’m confusing a lot of people so try to bear with me I believe that god exist I do I just don’t think very highly of god I don’t like god I believe he is a moron and I felt this way and came to this conclusion from reading the Bible

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+1 y

My point is god does make junk and he makes it all the time people that he can’t do anything with people who serve no purpose he is like an artist who rips up his creations because he has no talent and can’t make them any better

[jestergent]

If he needed to find a way to maintain earth while he navigates to the neighbor for the next 3000 years as per measurement understood he might inspire and write rules under any circumstance catered per region of earth with the goal they won't annihilate each other like the last time on the other two bodies. It was enough work to create 2 and lose them then migrate what's left to earth. Earth had 2 moons, but one crashed inward so it has 1 now.

Everything getting hot on earth means there's only so much room to transport everyone so those who are less likely to have self destructive tendencies will board, and ship to the solar system that's headed this way. But it takes work to prep that system to accompany life, and that's where the work is being done. I think technology has increased to a point to identify the star but fortunately not see what's going on there.

The above 2 paragraphs are a completely fictional story, but it might make you think and wonder. I wonder if the above were true.

[lightbulb27]

"your father is satan" ... that sums it up and why answering you is of no point.

The problem isn't God, it's your heart has fallen away from God. Satan/theadversary/the ruler of this world always seems more powerful. That's what Christ dealt with and dealt a might blow. It was never going to be that God could take over this world or end suffering.

God succeeded in getting the message across. But... weeds always grow faster and spread more than good fruits... e. g. evil spreads in humans quickly. just how these fragile beings are.

the choice is yours. People who choose power in this world, are giving into fear and pleasure over love. that simple.

[Creampiekarl420]

Clearly satan cares more about spreading evil than god does about his message

[StoneFree]

If god exists, from his perspective we would be like characters in a story... given our own nature and how drama catches our attention way more... I wouldn't be surprised if god feels the same way...

Jesus must have been like one of the protagonists or something... and what makes a good protagonist is when he goes through obstacles but comes out victorious. Like he was crucified and he then resurrected himself...

I guess we are all in some kind of a legend... I don't know who's legend tho

[Creampiekarl420]

Can you people stop with this agnostic red blue pill Morpheus bs there is a giant ball of fire in the middle of the solar system it’s just sitting there blazing god is real

[Creampiekarl420]

All I’m saying is the sun is the porch light and clearly someone is home

[StoneFree]

quantum physics suggests everything is made of probability waves... as humans we barely know anything about life lol.

[Creampiekarl420]

Yea but that’s a suggestion and this is reality

[PinkMichae]

He's not a failure. Even if God messed up (which I'm not saying he did) that wouldn't make him a failure. Are we considered a failure because we mess up? No it doesn't.

We have free will to choose. If we didn't maybe everything would be perfect. But I believe we won't know until we die.

[Passion_Devil]

May I ask you what you would consider a failure?

[PinkMichae]

Not trying

[Creampiekarl420]

Why try when the odds are against you

[PinkMichae]

The odds are only against you when you solely focus on the negative things that happened. I had to learn this and I'm much more at peace for it.

For example today I was worried about having enough money to make it through the week because I'm struggling right now.

2 weeks ago I had to quit my job because of a partial bowel obstruction that causes me severe pain, nausea, and vomiting. I feel miserable. But at least it's not as bad as it's been before when I've had to be hospitalized in the past. I can get through till I can have surgery to fix it. That's a blessing.

Then 2 days ago my car broke down. But thankfully my husband's car we call zombie still drives barely. Tonight I was driving Zombie to get my son from work when the tire blew. I looked in the trunk and there was no spare.

Luckily my father in law lives in our same town and brought my husband to rescue me.
That's a blessing.

Now I was already stressed earlier because we weren't sure how we were going to get through the week because we are financially struggling without me working.

I also didn't have money for the parts I need for my husband to fix my car. But thankfully out of the blue a store that I put some purses on consignment like 3 months ago called me to say all the purses sold. That's a blessing.

So I was able to order my car parts, help us get through the week, and have enough money to get a new tire tomorrow for zombie. Those are blessings.

When you are stressed that everything seems to be going wrong just try to think of all you were blessed with. Being positive makes your life more positive.

[Creampiekarl420]

Tons of people don’t have any blessings they focus on the negative because that’s all they have for every 1 person god blesses he neglects 100,000

[PinkMichae]

Well I'd like to see the stats on that.

My husband is one of those people that doesn't have the best luck. He constantly would focus on what went wrong and was blind to what goes right. I'm not going to say it's going to be rainbows and unicorns. But how can it hurt to try? I get some people turn out to be evil. But that's because evil exist and I believe Satan can also effect our lives. Especially when people deny God or give up on him.

Have you ever even given God a chance?

[Creampiekarl420]

Yes and he fails miserably don’t get me wrong I understand take the good with the bad but not taking a step forward just to be knocked back a mile if god has taught me anything it’s that he can’t be counted on it’s best to not try and give up because it’s better to not exist ecclesiastics 4:3

[Passion_Devil]

thanks for getting back to me by the way :)

[PinkMichae]

@Passion_Devil Of course.😎

[PinkMichae]

@Creampiekarl420

And that's you right. But although it sucks to be knocked back, it does build character and you can usually learn something good out of something bad.

Anyway I hope things get better for you.😎

[Passion_Devil]

I couldn't agree more

[Creampiekarl420]

What good does it do to learn something but open the door for a new problem

[Creampiekarl420]

@PinkMichae the truth of the matter is too many people don’t have gods support.

[Alwayreckles93]

PinkMichae Thank you 💯 exactly! Your the only one smart on here.

[Buntyp]

The Marquis de Sade, no friend of the Catholic church, and the feeling was mutual, said that since evil does exist and God does nothing to prevent it, then God is either powerless against it or approves of it.
I'm not sure that makes your version of God a failure, but it seems to me a reasonable ground for the suspicion--actually, a belief, in my case--that there is no such God. Not that I have a problem with anyone who believes the opposite, because it would be a boring old world if we all believed the same way about everything, and even worse if we couldn't talk about it.

[adventurous-1]

I believe that the devil does things to discredit God and cause us pain and hardships. It's our faith that proves our devotion and belief in God. I believe that many people do not believe there is a devil or powerful evil being and thus God alone is responsible for all things good as well as the bad. There is a great evil present and there is God who is not evil but does not appear to be as strong, (the devil at work) your faith will show you the truth and help enlighten your knowledge of God and how he works for our good.

[Kaneki05]

If the Christian god did exist then yes he is a failure and a dick. Much like if Zeus was real.
But I've never met anyone who actually believes in the bible been the truth but hates god for what he is in it. Because the major paradox there is the person is smart enough to see that god is awful in that story but not smart enough to know the bible is obviously fictional. Again much like Zeus.

[zeitgeist057]

You're starting to see the holes in the god story that was made up by humans. God seems stupid to you because people are stupid so they wrote the Bible and it has a bunch of stupid stuff in it.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Z1BzP1wr234

[Passion_Devil]

It kind of bothers me that he is Almighty and should be put in first place. But the fact there are so many doubters, has me believe he isn't. He needs to go into advertising it better.

[Creampiekarl420]

Thank you he is so lazy and apathetic

[Guy13]

God created the world perfect (Genesis) and gave Man free will to choose. Man chose NOT God and in so Doing chose Sin. The world and inhabitants are Fallen into Sin. And now, Man’s Being is in a state of Total Depravity.
—God did not create mindless drones or robots that were determined to follow Him. We can choose NOT God. And, until you accept all are totally Depraved and undeserving of Grace then you will likely not understand the Glory of God as He brings those who are totally depraved unto Himself and cleanse us Righteous and Holy before God…In and Through Christ Jesus our Savior and Lord at the Cross.

[Creampiekarl420]

Are you done with the Sunday school lesson? Good now answer the question

[Guy13]

Obviously 🙄, if you have your mind made up. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt from our first encounter and what others have had to say to you in last as well as this engagement…
—That’s not Sunday School lesson actually. It’s philosophy if you would like names for original reading.
— You just want to be God and rail against a Creator of you, this world, Intelligently Designed complexities including Morality and your ability to know right or wrong.
Maybe you will figure it out. Later & Best!

[supercutebutt]

A failure in what sense? A Detroit Tigers batter can strikeout 4 out of 5 times in a game and he would seem like an utter failure 80% of the time but if his one hit was a walk-off homer, he would be treated as a hero. Water would be poured all over his head and everybody would go positively bananas.

So if this God you speak of created mosquitos, Nazis, diarrhea, QAnon, crotch rot, and Russians, there is still a small percentage of things that are really great, like my butt and like when I tease the mentally Trumptarded and they melt down. :)

[Creampiekarl420]

See and this is problem with modern women she is out of her French toast mind

[supercutebutt]

r u a Trumptarded gentleman?

[Creampiekarl420]

Stop making this about politics

[supercutebutt]

Why?

[Dargil]

Sorry. You should have included Yes/explain. Otherwise your question displays bias.
I'll answer your question if you fix that.

[Creampiekarl420]

I actually meant to go back but submitted by accident sowwy

[Daniela1982]

Another atheist speaks. Lay off the pot dude.

THIS QUESTION IS CLICK BAIT!

[Creampiekarl420]

Im not an atheist I believe

[Daniela1982]

If you don't think highly of God it is about the same thing in my opinion.

[Creampiekarl420]

You can’t hate what you don’t believe in

[Daniela1982]

Then if you don't believe you are an atheist. Simple huh.

[Creampiekarl420]

I do believe tho so …

[zagor]

I think you've confused god with a child playing with his toy soldiers on the bedroom floor.

[Creampiekarl420]

Thats exactly what he is

[Anonymous]

That’s because it’s written by men who use it as a form to try and control others. The book “God is not Great” is a good read for anyone genuinely curious about knowledge.

[WonderBell99]

You took the words right out of my mouth. My father used to tell me the exact same thing when I was young.

[t-8900]

Christopher Hitchens had some different takes that he articulated well but he didn't have all the answers and in hindsight I'm not convinced by them.

[Daniela1982]

@WonderBell99 And I wonder where he will go when the end comes?

[MCheetah]

Probably back to the same nothingness we came from prior to birth.

[Daniela1982]

@MCheetah Oh God, the atheists are charging in for the kill on this Click Bait question.

[MCheetah]

@Daniela1982
I'm not an Atheist. Atheists are cringe. Maybe try opening your Third Eye a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leVLmE1Er5U

[Daniela1982]

@MCheetah Well you are not a Christian either. So exactly what are you?

[MCheetah]

@Daniela1982
I'M A CHEETAH, BABY! YEAH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90h2gLgTz5g

[Opinion Owner]

Atheists or people that just look at all angles logically instead of pulling blind faith out of thin air without any logical questioning of life amongst many other things? Attack is the weakest form of defence when it comes to knowledge.

[WonderBell99]

@Daniela1982 When the end comes, he will not “go” anywhere. He will be dead, and that’s pretty much about it. I respect your beliefs, but only as long as you respect mine!

[t-8900]

@op. No if you want to talk logically you need to read the Return of God theory. What I will say is the science shows intelligent design. Therefore if you want to go logic based you'd go agnostic, not atheist
However what happens when the logic is flawed and those pushing their agenda also don't have the answers? When did the most wise out so much faith in man to get the answers when we get it wrong all the time. Just look at the scientific historical research on the t-rex as an example

[WonderBell99]

**and that’s pretty much it**

[Opinion Owner]

I am agnostic personally, but I’d still have to agree with atheists before believers based on logic. Don’t get me wrong, I think religion can be very helpful for those suffering and going through tough times and I’d never want to take that solace away from them. But when it comes to rational thinking, I can not blindly believe anything without evidence. As for intelligent design, we’re now getting into the fascinating realms of physics, not religion.

[t-8900]

I personally think a lot of people go atheist because it gives them carts blanche in life. To me it's very self destructive

[Opinion Owner]

I’m a scientist, my university education was in healthcare. I find many answers fit better with evidence, and new evidence is emerging all of the time to many interesting questions we have. Fear of the unknown can cause people to cling to such religious beliefs, it has many psychological benefits, that doesn’t mean that it’s true.

[Opinion Owner]

As for Christopher Hitchens not having all of the answers…who does? Our civilisations aren’t that far advanced yet, and frankly I’m not sure we ever will be if we carry on the way we’re going as we seem more likely to self distrust with war before we ever reach that stage. But back to my point, he still has more answers than religion.

[WonderBell99]

@t-8900 Well, I could say the same about people who follow all religious traditions without questioning anything. Perhaps they’re in search of hope? I personally don't judge other people’s beliefs as long as they don't push theirs onto me.

[Opinion Owner]

If there’s any religion I could work with it would be Buddhism, simply because it’s the most logical spiritual philosophy and actually encourages questioning it before believing in anything blindly. It’s a very mindful philosophy.

[t-8900]

@op I believe when people have no real higher authority they become the most dangerous to society tbh. Such was seen the case with Nazi Germany, communist Russia, And maoist china. Frankly it's a scary thought having some of the more dangerous menaces to society and people with a scientific mind, not being kept in check. I worry such people will be the cause of future genocides, epidemics, and weapons of mass destruction. I mean no offense when I say this

[DeeRocc]

I selected no because they're isn't a "neither" option. So then why am I responding? To point out that "cream pie Karl" isn't someone I'm going to take seriously. But I'm sure you have 420 reasons to not give a fuck.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If he did fail then everybody would be going to hell and there would be no life at all. Also he gave us free will. It's pointless to live your life to the fullest if you're being manipulated all the time which is what religion do and religion and god are separated.

[Alwayreckles93]

No I don't agree with you. Each and everyone is responsible of their own life choices. For example if I have deabetes that is because I had a choice to eat healthy or not now I choose to eat sweet's now that is my own fault for choosing not to eat healthy. God gives us free will.

[Creampiekarl420]

He also gives us disease , disability, death and mental illness

[Buntyp]

Perhaps you mean culpability, as in, when we are responsible for whatever then we must...
I'm still not seeing free will. See, that's the thing--I'm not quite sure that either the beginning of your phrase or the end of it are actual things, and I'm being honest and absolutely not disrespectful. It just seems that the statement that God gives free will is loaded with implications of conditions that are beyond dispute, and that, in itself, already tends to diminish the idea of a free will that would or could be safe and reliable without already chaining itself to a rock of rules. So, the free will, thus given, is-- by necessity--only as much freedom as the guys who claim to be diviners of said will, in all events, deem appropriate to their objectives. This is why free education is necessary in a free world, and not in Free World (TM). There need to be a whole lot more of free and inspiring dialogue that nobody is cut out of, unless they mistook the venue for the bathroom.

[Exterminatore]

Not one thing has happed he didn’t want to happen. He’s got a 100% success record so far. Doesn’t sound like a failure to me.

[ManOnFire]

God put us on the earth with a brain and a heart, and it's our responsibility to use these things the right way. If he uses them for us then we will complain that we don't have free will. If he lets us use them on our own we will complain when others use their free will to hurt us or do stupid things.

As humans our problem is that we can't accept what God does.

[Creampiekarl420]

He gave us free will to do his will (slaves) everyone else dies

[ManOnFire]

He did give us free will to choose his will, yes. Everyone has to decide at some point: is it better to do his will? Or go the other way? I don't think I'm a winner by going the other way.

[Creampiekarl420]

That’s idiotic he should’ve just made robots

[NamerOfStars]

No- why would I? Because people don't know if He exists? Well, of course not- that's why it's a matter of FAITH, not of knowledge. If people only follow your instructions because they fear your power, you don't have followers; you have slaves. God doesn't want slaves.

And what makes you think God has no power in determining what happens to you after you die? What else do you think does?

[Creampiekarl420]

Is it not a choice? Okay then he has no say
Then why doesn’t he prove himself and remove all doubt

[NamerOfStars]

As I said: " If people only follow your instructions because they fear your power, you don't have followers; you have slaves. God doesn't want slaves.".

[Creampiekarl420]

But that’s exactly what he is getting

[NamerOfStars]

Only if they choose to be- and again, without the power to make that call, there's no free will.

[Creampiekarl420]

That’s the dumbest thing ever would you let your child make decisions for themselves then punish them for doing something you don’t like if god was gonna punish people for that stuff then they might as well not exist but being the bully he is he just wants something to destroy

[NamerOfStars]

Now you're starting to think. But ethics aren't power.

[Creampiekarl420]

We live by ethics they are what get us out of the bed in the morning

[NamerOfStars]

If that was true, unethical people would never get out of bed, and the world would be a happier place. It's will that gets us out of bed in the morning.

[Creampiekarl420]

What’s unethical to you is ethical to another at his core mankind loves what he believes to be good

[NamerOfStars]

Now you're just being disingenuous.

[Creampiekarl420]

Never been more honest in my life and that’s a fact

[OneNineZero]

We do I need religion to belive in God? And why do I need religion to belive god failed
I am atheist and I know God must have failed if it would have existed

[libsaretards]

God is not a failure. He had foresight to see what would happen if humans were allowed to make choices but still gave us free will. We are the ONLY things in creation that can defy our instincts. Everything bad that is happening in the world is because of poor human choices, not some failure on God. God is the one who decides where we go when we die, but the decisions made in life before that point are on us.

[Creampiekarl420]

If it were up to god we’d all be in heaven if what you people say about him is true the facts is that god doesn’t love everyone and many exist purely for his wrath

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I don't believe the biblical God. The Bible is a bunch of lies, contradictions and proven to be wrong every time.

[strateguy632]

god allows choice, so can't blame god for people choosing

[MCheetah]

I'm just hear to eat some popcorn and read the comments...

[TexasRed95]

So you have a very simple mindset towards this. If I was an all powerful being and made life as complex as us I would intervene. I would watch and see how they turn out. We weren't created to be catered into a perfect life. If you read and pay attention everything God has created has choice. Lucifer choose to go against him, we choose our own religions and beliefs, other angels choose to follow him. He didn't make us to be like strict programming.

[Creampiekarl420]

Name one person who asked to be here if I kicked you in the pool then ask if you wanted to swim or get out I didn’t give you much choice did I

[TexasRed95]

So aggressive. If you're going to ask for an opinion don't get mad when someone answers. Especially if it wasn't an aggressive or rude answer.

[Creampiekarl420]

Thats just how I talk gosh darn it

[TexasRed95]

Ah ok it just came across wrong over text then. My bad.

[AndrésC64]

Fail

[EnglishEuropean]

Good morning sinners. In England we have a saying: "God helps those who help themselves." This is a roundabout way of saying there is no God so it's all on us.

[Xoirwinkan]

I don't think you can be a real Christian and think that. Don't really know how you got that from reading the Bible. And regarding Hell, God controls that. Popular media makes Satan out to be some equally powerful being, but he's more on the level of an angel than anything near the power of God. People are sinful and deserve punishment for it, and only by accepting the mercy of Jesus can they be spared damnation.

[Creampiekarl420]

Punishment for being born oh yeah so merciful you realize infants go to hell right

[Xoirwinkan]

No they don't. They haven't had a chance to sin yet.

[Creampiekarl420]

Doesn’t matter they were born into sin they literally exist just for hell fire

[jshm2]

Eh?

You've been taking a few too many creampies... or crack. Thus don't realise the irrationality of your own statement.

If you believe there is a God, then you can't claim he's powerless.

[Creampiekarl420]

He is powerless when it comes to us you people don’t shut up about that choice stuff and just because I believe doesn’t mean I have a positive opinion of god

[TheMajesticKing777]

Nope, there's a plan, cause if it was failure, then Satan would be dead, there's a meaning of life and it involves his gift of choice and Satan as well, that's my prediction

[Creampiekarl420]

Free will made the plan irrelevant

[TheMajesticKing777]

Free will is what made humanity so sinful

[TheMajesticKing777]

It's also what made people choose not to believe in him

[TheMajesticKing777]

There's no such thing as failure when you have the power to do whatever you want, the people that deny him will burn in hell, I can't see how he failed considering that these people will suffer, seems like a win to me

[Creampiekarl420]

Because he claims to desire to save all that is what the Bible says if these people will burn forever in hell that is their only purpose they will burn in hell because god can’t interfere with your will these souks will be separated from him forever the relationship he claims to want to have with everyone is impossible because he will never have them

[Creampiekarl420]

Crazy right? God made people that he can’t have

[TheMajesticKing777]

I see where you are coming from but it would all depend what the meaning of life is, it's hard to say what he failed at if it's all part of his plan, we aren't sure what the meaning of life is and why he chose to give all of us choice when he simply could have just forced us to believe in him, It makes no sense, it seems like the separation was all planned, he might love us but just how he loved all his angels and loved his son that he send to die on the cross for our sins, how God thinks if that's what you even call it, is beyond what we can ever possibly put together, his son was tortured on earth and hung on a cross, saying God failed just by judging just by the words on the Bible speaking like the Bible carries the whole plan of life and existence, keep in mind that the book of life is still being written which is also mentioned in the Bible, every person will have a chapter, each chapter will represent a person's life, it's hard to say he failed when we don't even know the whole story or God's whole plan, he wants everyone to accept him but he knows it's not gonna happen and he knew it all along when he gave us life and choice, Jesus himself knew he would suffer and be tortured but it was part of the plan so if you can tell me exactly what he failed at then you can say he failed but you would also have to tell me God's full plan to back up that assumption, what we see and existence itself is just part of his plan, I don't know if you will understand anything I'm saying cause it's hard to think of it

[Creampiekarl420]

Is salvation for man not his goal

[Creampiekarl420]

@themajesticking777 is that what you are implying

[TheMajesticKing777]

That is exactly what I'm implying, I feel like there's a much bigger plan, at the end Satan is going to be thrown in a lake of fire and burn for 1000 years, it's specifies 1000 years but what exactly happens after those 1000 years, it's never mentioned in the Bible, I'm sure there's lots of info that isn't mentioned in the Bible

[Creampiekarl420]

If that weren’t his goal then we wouldn’t need salvation because then he wouldn’t care what happened to us

[TheMajesticKing777]

Well he created us for a reason I'm sure, thing is that the destruction of the wicked is mentioned in the Bible as well, which people have tried to find the meaning of it and explain it that God will destroy all of the people that decided to not believe in him, that's how it was analyzed by humans, obviously no one knows what he means by that but people that chose to live a sinful life without God are wicked and evil, let's not mention God's wrath as well, he is going to take all his people and wipe out 1/3 of the population, the question there is why only 1/3 and not the rest or all, again it seems like there's more to it

[TheMajesticKing777]

He also protects his own, I feel like you are shunned by God when you die and lived a life without him, God also has emotions including anger so I'm sure he feels betrayed by humans that decided to reject him and when you make that choice, you are no longer loved by your creator, who knows, maybe he does still love his unloyal creations but still punishes them, if he can send his only son to suffer for us I'm not surprised if he can make all the people that denied him to suffer as well, questioning God and what he does might have a punishment as well for all we know lol

[Creampiekarl420]

Call him god I see a big baby wailing about his own self made problems if these people exist just for punishment then why even create them where we go when we die is set in stone

[TheMajesticKing777]

For the book of life, don't blame God cause people are blind and CHOSE not to follow, insulting your creator doesn't make you anymore powerful, just pulling you deeper into a path.

[TheMajesticKing777]

Like I said, what I said isn't factual, it's my own assumption using the words of the Bible, I'm not God and never will be, I 100% am saying I am uncertain these are my predictions using my imperfect human brain

[Creampiekarl420]

He is just very undeserving and lazy and boring I read the Bible and have no clue how people love god it’s basically a book about history’s biggest asshole

[TheMajesticKing777]

Whatever you wanna believe dude, as a Christian I did my part, I tried to bring you to the light, as a human I really don't care where your soul goes

[Creampiekarl420]

You can’t bring anyone to the light not even your god can it’s all predestined

[TheMajesticKing777]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself to make yourself feel better

[Creampiekarl420]

It’s the truth

[TheMajesticKing777]

To you perhaps

[Creampiekarl420]

No because it’s based from the facts of life

[TheMajesticKing777]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself

[Creampiekarl420]

And you can ignore it all you want when you’re done the truth is still here

[TheMajesticKing777]

What you don't understand is that the truth is different for me, it's the strength of faith and believing, I wouldn't expect you to understand tho, you are simple minded

[Creampiekarl420]

Ok so why do you have faith and others don’t

[TheMajesticKing777]

Because I chose too

[Creampiekarl420]

So god is gambling with our lives basically

[TheMajesticKing777]

No because salvation is free, people are just too stupid and simple minded and egotistical and don't want to believe

[TheMajesticKing777]

People just want everything with perfection and it just doesn't work like that

[Creampiekarl420]

I can god just wants it this way he wants us to suffer and doesn’t care about us we are just tools for him to use

[TheMajesticKing777]

Whatever you wanna believe bro

[vald9inches]

Any god that blames his creations for not being perfect is a failure lol

[Paris13]

God!!! Capital "G"!!! HE IS YOUR FATHER!!! xxoo

[Creampiekarl420]

No fathers dont abuse their children bullies do

[Paris13]

Biological fathers do. Not The REAL ONE, hun. xxoo

[Creampiekarl420]

Anyone who does that is no father they’re undeserving of the title

[Anonymous]

you already know the deal

you idiots are going inside the snake if you do not turn to CHRIST

society has no excuse

for GOD CHRIST flooded and killed the giants

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZSZUkBJFetE

[Opinion Owner]

also no

you are just an idiot who does not want GOD

you just wanna do whatever you want

[Creampiekarl420]

That’s true because god has no dominion over us he relinquished that right when he gave us free will

[Opinion Owner]

hahahahaha sure

let the screams of the atheist inside the snake
be heard to the tops of the earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oSdrgEZrUw&t=83s

[Creampiekarl420]

Well that’s the point I’m making god can’t do anything with these people but destroy them because they’re flawed creatures he just wants to flex his muscles and murder

[Opinion Owner]

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God ( HE SAVES THE HUMAN RACE OUT OF LOVE ) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

but if you reject the payment
and prefer to stay in the dumpster
rather then the 5 star hotel be my guest

ill take the 5 star hotel

you take the trash

[Creampiekarl420]

Why is there a dumpster and better yet why put people in the dumpster instead of the hotel and you just told a lie he saves some because he can’t save all

[Opinion Owner]

I JUST SAID THE PERSON HAS TO ACCEPT THE PAYMENT HE MADE

the hotel is already paid for
their names are in the BOOK

if they reject the payment

THEY GET SCRATCHED OUT THE BOOK
stop making excuses

so sick of stupid atheist

[Creampiekarl420]

You just proved my point even more a truly loving god wouldn’t let people just waste away that’s such a devil may care attitude how can god be so apathetic after paying such a high cost and he only had to do so to meet his own standards the payment was made to himself

[lrina]

if answer yes to this question you aren't really a christian lmao, so i don't really see how this question is supposed to work.

[Creampiekarl420]

I am completely 100% Christian well 99.9999999% I just have genuine contempt for god

[lrina]

nah if you don't beleive in god then you're simplly not christian, that's just how it is

[Creampiekarl420]

It’s called misotheism you can’t hate what you don’t believe in

[lrina]

if you hate gods you're not really religious, since the bible is entirely revolving around god. you can still agree with some of the beliefs in the bible/the overall bible, but that isn't enough to make you christian.

[Creampiekarl420]

Yes you can ever hear of a lukewarm Christian

[lrina]

"A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings." that here, is a definition of a christian.

[Creampiekarl420]

There are different types of Christian’s

[lrina]

that's not really a christian then, that's just a different branch completely that is just close to christianity.

[Creampiekarl420]

It’s still Christian a black duck is still a duck

[lrina]

whatever, believe whateveryou wish to believe.

[Creampiekarl420]

Whatever? Typical Christian

[lrina]

i'm not even christian, but ok.

[Creampiekarl420]

Gtfo

[lrina]

cringe

[jasco]

People will always be unsure rather or not even God exist. That's what faith is, believing in the unseen. God does care and he loves us, at least that's what we believe.

[Creampiekarl420]

Faith is illogical

[jasco]

To you it is. For some it is a way of moving forward even through the darkest of times

[Creampiekarl420]

No surviving keeps you moving forward pure instinct see how long you can go with out eating before every cell in your body craves the smallest piece of nourishment

[UpdateGloomyNights_]

Cristians need to know about Allah

[Creampiekarl420]

Let’s not muddy things up here

[UpdateGloomyNights_]

Do not believe the media or hindu agitators. Smart people do research. my family was of christian origin now everyone is muslim

[Creampiekarl420]

Dude go put on a bow tie and sell some canned goods

[Exterminatore]

@ update

We know about Allah and how he’s a false God and the worship of Allah is really the worship of demons.

Yeah. I went there.

Also the Crusades into the Levant were necessary because the Seljuk Turks were conquering large tracts of land owned by the Byzantine Empire. Emperor Alexious Komenos I requested military aid from Pope Urban II. This shatters the myth of barbarian Christian’s coming to the Levant to steal land from helpless and peaceful Muslims.

Yeah I went there too.

[Exterminatore]

@Cream

I not only muddied the waters, I just took a giant dump in the pond as well sir.

[Creampiekarl420]

@Exterminatore no their war against soap shattered that helpless peaceful myth

[Exterminatore]

@Cream

Are you referring to the incident in Germany about the soap with the Mosque on the label and Aldi?

[Creampiekarl420]

@Exterminatore obviously

[Exterminatore]

Geeze. And here I though you meant the rape gangs in England were refusing to use soap afterwards.

[Creampiekarl420]

@Exterminatore all the soap is in Africa

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

If God could fail then He couldn't be God to begin with.

God by default is a all glorious, majestic and all powerful being incapable of screw ups.

[Creampiekarl420]

What are you talking about there are things he can’t do

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes. Being evil that is. God is incapable of being evil.

[Creampiekarl420]

And yet he allows evil what is he like a kid who builds a block tower I mean really works hard to build it just to destroy it

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

And He's going punish people for it too.

[Creampiekarl420]

Because he has no control over those people he wants slaves

[KostasKouvalis]

100%. Satan is more powerful and successful.

[gabby100]

Why is he a failure. We have all of his creations to enjoy life..

[Creampiekarl420]

Yes like disease and natural disasters

[Anonymous]

As a non christian im just gonna read ppls opinions

[Amur8711]

God gave us freedom of will, he has a path for each of us to follow, but we have to choose to follow that path.

[Creampiekarl420]

Oh okay so you asked to be here?

[Amur8711]

No, one asked to be here.

[Creampiekarl420]

So where’s the free will?

[WhitneySnow]

God gave us free will. He’s not a failure.

[vald9inches]

Freewill is an illusion so no "he" didn't give us freewill

[WhitneySnow]

@vald9inches we do so have free will. That’s true whether you believe in God or you don’t.

[vald9inches]

Can a butterfly be anything other than a butterfly? Can you be the complete opposite of who you are?

[WhitneySnow]

@vald9inches if I wanted to be I could. Personality I mean.

[vald9inches]

Try it and see if you can do it for longer than a year and let me know how it went. If you dont tell me it was pure hell trying to be someone you are not i would be very surprised lol

[WhitneySnow]

@vald9inches hmm good point. But still you can change yourself with willpower if you really try.

[vald9inches]

Sure you might be able to change a few of your habits and get out of your comfort zone but changing your core being is almost impossible. A person would have to have gone through some horrific circumstance like the Holocaust to completely change as a person but even then i bet you some little part of them will still be there

[FunkyMonkee]

There'd have to BE one for it to be a failure!

[Anonymous]

humans are failure. we have freedom of choice and we ruin it.

[Creampiekarl420]

Stop calling an ultimatum freedom or choice not a single soul asked to be here

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Stop blaming him and blame the Devil, holy f*ck

[Creampiekarl420]

Why did he kill Jesus and not the devil then?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I don’t remember if Jesus chose to sacrifice himself, but, I do know that it’s purpose was to give the good people a chance at salvation. If you want to be technical, the Devil sort of did because the Romans who actually did the bad things to Jesus were to put it nicely, pieces of triceratops prehistoric fern beetle shit and since they were so bad they probably looked up to the Devil in some way so….. the point is stop blaming God, he never did anything wrong in the entire history of existence.

[Creampiekarl420]

His creation.
His plan.
His fault.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

There’s also

Your choice
Your fate

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Your argument is as empty as your heart

[Creampiekarl420]

Where is the hole in that argument because it’s Rick solid

[Creampiekarl420]

Rock

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I think it doesn’t exist

[OddBeMe]

If he exists, then yeah.

[OddBeMe]

Who’s judging what’s considered “junk”?

[Creampiekarl420]

So you think you and a blind deaf man with no legs and arms are of equal value

[OddBeMe]

Uh, yeah. What if that blind, deaf guy was Stephen Hawking?

Your measurements of value seem a bit Nazi-esk.

[Creampiekarl420]

Stephen hawking had arms legs eyes and ears

[OddBeMe]

Missed the point entirely, genius.

[Creampiekarl420]

Which is what? Because he was gimped out too and still did stuff he did nothing but roll around on a toy all day

[OddBeMe]

That you don’t know who the blind dead guy is. So your value system is fcked. Like the Nazis.

[Creampiekarl420]

It doesn’t matter the quality of my life is better than his I can live a more fulfilling life than someone like that and contribute more they’re worthless really and thats a fact you’re shackling yourself to your feelings and trying to make it seem like that he is as valuable as the average person he isn’t and is better off dead is that nice no ofc not but it’s true

[OddBeMe]

you think the world would value you more than Stephen Hawking?

[MrTaboo]

You don't know God.

[Fuentes]

We have free will

[Creampiekarl420]

Free will - worst thing god ever gave man

[MCheetah]

@Fuentes
Do we REALLY, though? Aren't we all just the circumstances of our parents birthing us and the environment we grew up in? How much free will do dead babies have to not die?

[Fuentes]

@MCheetah are we victims to the circumstances we grew up in or overcomers? I mean i have the free will to go be a serial killer or a bank robber and do tons of masses of evil but i have not and nobody could stop us if we did, and babies die thats apart of life just like humans die and other animals die. Are free will is our own actions being on this earth not what we were birthed with or think we deserve by choice

[MCheetah]

"If the baby dies, mang, then the baby dies." (RIP)

[Creampiekarl420]

I don't know why y’all love talking about choice and free will like it’s easy to be Christian

[Fuentes]

It's not easy being any religion and everyone sins

[Creampiekarl420]

Anything that’s too hard isn’t worth doing

[Fuentes]

You can follow god and easily not be perfect nobody can judge you but him

[Creampiekarl420]

I’m just saying don’t say you want everyone to finish the race if you’re gonna keep putting traps along the way

[Fuentes]

Death is easy but life is hard whether you believe or not everyone has a mountain to climb even if it's severely fucked up and out of line & seems out of reach or impossible

[Creampiekarl420]

Then give up the Bible says to ecclesiastics 4:3