How do you view people who use religion and non religion as an excuse to hate others?

[jennifer_bloom]

My stalker accused me of being a bad Christian for saying I don’t care about banning abortions and compared me to a murderer and impostor who fakes religion but how many people who hate abortion care about the people in poor countries that are starving to death?

You could save a family for $100 a month and less than 2% of charity dollars in America goes towards foreign countries, so these people let people in the South and the East starve for the price of coffee but then want to pretend they value human life by banning abortions, when they would never agree to adopt the children the parents want to abort or donate a single penny to the poor.

It’s just an excuse to hate and vilify others so they can feel superior, I used to know a guy who would always complain about gay people but he would cheat on his girlfriend with strangers every month, religion was created to promote love, not for creating excuses to hate others.

[DaveJord]

Well honestly and good Christian (which I am not) would know any such judgments can only be made by God. It is not their place as Christians to place judgement on other people. I never like anyone you pushes their beliefs on other people... and I like to think that real and true Christians do not do that. My parents never did, that is for sure... and if they were not good Christians then they were definitely God fearing people. Which is something I never understood that saying, "good God fearing people". Why would one fear God if they were good people?

Any way I think you are not talking about good Christians, your referring more to religious zealots.

[NoIdeaWhy]

If they are hateful, they dont believe in the God of the Bible. Period, end of story.

[kmg9150]

Well that means pretty much all of them shouldn't call thenselves Christians. Even if its "evil" that they are hating... The bible is simply a Fable, collective from multiple contributors to scare people into social standards of society. Indoctrination...

[Anonymous]

If you actually take the time to do research on the Bible you will find that it is very self-contradictory... I don't say this to discredit it, but to point out that most people don't open the Bible looking for answers, but instead confirmation.

I can make biblical arguments in support of homosexuality, I can make biblical arguments for the big bang and evolution, I can even point out where in the Bible it's pro-abortion... Not pro-choice, pro-abortion, where abortion is what the Bible REQUIRES.

People use the Bible to support their worst tendencies, to justify their hatred of others. This is generally initiated by preacher's. Leading by fear and hate is the mark of a weak leader as getting people worked up or "on fire for Jesus" is far easier if you get someone to hate something. It's a age old truth that it is easier to hate than to love.

Why do they need people "fired up for Jesus"? Money. The more people they can draw, and the hotter they can get them, the more they tithe. And the scariest thing about that is if you think about the statistical probability of someone being unhinged, we will say 1% of an audience that is looking for answers... And then you figure how many of those are actually Looney tunes enough to do something violent, we will say 1% again, putting us at 0.01%...

That's not much until you figure how many followers some of these hateful preachers have, one who runs a megachurch in Tennessee comes to mind who has 2.2 MILLION followers on FB, if less than half of them, 1M, follow his sermons, the he has 100 willing to cause violence and harm to others in the name of God because he told them certain people are evil. Our gun laws are not well enforced, 25% of them can get their hands on a weapon... Luckily many living that life don't have the financial ability to do anything, but it only takes one or two...

The question for those pastors who's words are words of hate, and hate begets violence, is when the inevitable happens, how much is a life, a child of God, worth?

TO ANSWER IN SHORT FORM I view them as amoral and greedy.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Jennifer, and I agree. I think people like your stalker just use this as an opportunity to claim some kind of moral high ground. I've noticed people like this are often mean-spirited and lack empathy. I am a non-denominational Christian because I haven't found a permanent church community yet but I was always raised not to judge others, particularly women who do this because we couldn'tpossiblye know what is going through when they make this choice. After the recent supreme court decision, I googled to see what the different church organizations were saying. There was plenty that celebrated the decision but there were others that were disappointed in decision.

I thought the statement from the evangelical Lutheran bishop said it best https://www.elca.org/News-and-Events/8158 I have also seen other statements by other Christian denominations, the Jewish community and even the Muslim community in the U. S. talk about the nuances of some of these decisions and they were not celebrating the loss of procedure legality that will result. If people want to do a google search for these statement, I noticed these types of statements by the Episcopal Church, United Churches of Christ, the Presbyterianan Church, the Methodist Church, etc.

There was also an editorial written from a non-religious perspective by a columnist that is self-proclaimed as anti-abortion and yet ironically he conveyed very well some of the reasons why some people are pro-choice. https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-rabik-overturning-roe-not-095929762.html

[yucychan]

I agree. Some people used religion to accomplish their own selfish agenda. If your stalker continues to be such an asshole, report him to the police and get a protection order.

While I'm pro-life in general, I'm also skeptical of the abortion laws. Forcing a woman to give birth to a child that she does not want to have in the first place is not gonna make her a better mother. There is a lot of emphasis on abortion bans and how abortion is bad etc., but nothing much is being said about the care for the unwilling mother and the unwanted newborn.

Is the mother going to receive the needed psychological care and support after going through a traumatic and unwilling birth? Will there be sufficient resources, foster homes or adoptees that could care for the unwanted babies? Does the child protective service have enough resources or manpower to manage the ever increasing number of child abuse and neglect?

[kmg9150]

The problem here lies continuing push to where people are not being responsible for their actions... It leads, well I wasn't ready to have a baby, that guy last night was a mistake, but we used protection, etc. so ill just have an abortion. Same thing with foster homes, one is before birth and the other after. If your doing something that has can have consequences then you should be acceptance of the outcome. People that commit crimes, make bad financial choices or anything else they didn't want happening due to their actionsdont have choice to just reverse their situation... In cases of forced sex and whether or not to preserve ones own life, absolutely they should have that choice... Then should men have the same choice if they didn't want a child but the women decided to keep the baby and demands the father to be the involved? With a womans right to choice for any reason should then the right for a man to say I never wanted the child (whether she told him before or after birth) and have no legal obligation to that child or mother. Thats only fair right.

[kmg9150]

Religion was/is solely for the purpose of society to follow "natural" law to what is right/wrong to beliefs and situations we encounter. Fear of the unknown is used to follow in reward of avoided persecution. It not wrong to use religion as per means of hate, our beliefs come from some where so using or not using religion are of the same spectrum. If you love then there will be hate as well... Without God there is no Devil... Would these people using these reasons to hate child exploitation as being abusers as well? Should we not hate the people found responsible of exploitations, whether them or the action itself not be hated? The your stalker isn't exactly a stalker if your out here asking questions to if his views and reasoning to a subject thats not a threat to you, means your allowing him to close in your life and you prolly enjoy the attention.

[WhitneySnow]

I agree with you overall. It’s funny though I just heard someone say the other day that America gives too much to people in other countries like the South and the East and not enough to our own people.

[jennifer_bloom]

It’s a lie, less than 2% goes to the foreign countries

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Yes, and it only gets worse from there (inevitably). They brainwash the educated sheepies, and make Christianity look like the complete opposite of what is really is (not a religion by the way), and knowing nothing, it results in spread of evil… well there it is

[purplepoppy]

I think it's one thing to disagree with an interpretation of a biblical passage, a religious belief or even religion itself but it's another thing to hate people for it. I pity these people, lifes to short to spend it consumed in hate.

[Chrissydamusicgirl]

Yeah it’s sad honestly. And it has nothing to do with the religion either they just use it as shields. Ends up in a lot of bigotry towards religious groups, esp minority ones

[Bratsondanielle]

If your religion makes you hate others or look down on them for what they believe or do, then fuck your religion. Besides, people, it's 2022 isn't it time we agree that there probably likely maayyybee ain't no invisible friends above the clouds along with the airplanes huh? Come on man

[Anpu23]

I hate people who use religion for their own agenda.

By the way the bible is clear on the abortion issue. Its not murder. Life begins with the first breath independent of the mother.

[Jackblue]

Well 100 dollars a month doesn't grow on trees especially for an unemployed person like me. People have been starving as long as we have existed. With luck in another generation we may just have the infrastructure to provide everyone's needs, but to commit mass murder is the very essence of hate.

[Wraven]

I treat them the same way i treat spammers online.

"MUTE" / "Block" / Ignore...

Who now?

[kmg9150]

All I see is a little kid with their fingers in the ears singing "I can't here you la la la la." It comes to a point that ignoring the problem is worse than the problem itself... You probably make sure to send a message right before they get blocked dont you...

[Wraven]

@kmg9150 most of the time im pretty good about acting like I'm listening, but I'm really not

[DoctorSex]

Now I'm not Christian,
But unfortunately he is right.
Christianity as well as all abrahamic religions force you to pick sides and have very strict lines on good/bad and morality.

Kind regards,
DoctorSex

[RACSKC0B]

If it were me, I think I'd tell your stalker that if that's what he believes about you then maybe he should find someone else to stalk, and leave you alone.

[AlexM007]

Petty and ignorant aswell as incredibly naive.

[PJH359]

That is why the triad of evil is religion, money and oil. Mankind will die for any of those items…and wars have been fought over them.

[GrapeApe98]

Idiots and assholes, and I hope I never have to interact with them.

[Subarugirl]

Religion has been used as an excuse to prosecute, enslave and abuse people for thousands of years... Christianity specifically and has a pretty horrible track record.

[Adronicus]

Ignorant (lack knowledge). I may see them as vessels of a different sort at times. I believe in free will unless others are being harmed. How one construed harm is another matter.

[Anonymous]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but hating someone for differing opinions is lame. Political ideologies do the same thing. They are kind of like modern religions.