The Bible clearly states that we as humans have a limited understanding so why would God give us free will
Would any of you leave a baby in a crib with a loaded ready to fire pistol?
If you are putting a gun and the baby in the crib you are pushing him to make a certain decision, if you are going to start a discussion can you at least make it valid lol
So are you saying God was pushing man into making a decision by putting a forbidden tree in the middle of the garden of Eden?
If you didn’t understand you can just say so
Well he's not going to force you to make a decision, if you are in the garden of eden but God forbidded the serpent from entering the garden then God would be taking the gift of choice from you cause at that point he would be choosing you and forcing you to stay on the right path
He allowed the serpent and that allowed them free will, or are is that not making sense to you? Lol
If God forbidded*
They just made the wrong choice, are you blaming God for that? 😂
Just like no one is going to force the infant to put a gun in its mouth but it will
But no one asked God to put the tree in the garden it was just like every other tree it grew and bore fruit God took every contingency possible into account to guarantee that the fall would happen
All trees where the same bro, he just forbidded them to not touch one, hense it being called the forbidden tree, i personally dont thing it was different, their disobedience created sin, it could've been a test for all we know, you question God too much which you shouldn't do, they weren't infants and were fully capable of making a decision, I don't see your argument here, why compare Adam and eve to a baby?
Who made these the only options?
Because to compared to an all knowing God comparing Adam to an infant is right on the mark
Or did you skip over the part where We have limited knowledge?
We have limited knowledge but we aren't at an infant level, they have no knowledge 🤦♂️
Why shouldn’t I question a god who made amoral creatures and gave them free will
Because in our society people with no knowledge of good and evil are in mental institutions
Infants aren't even aware they are alive
Your comparison seems bias, well your whole question does for that matter but still
How is it bias?
You are comparing Adam and eve to a baby which babies clearly can't think for themselves, Adam and eve showed hesitation because they were told not too, which shows they knew they would disobey and clearly shows a decision and a full choice they were fully aware of, you comparing them to a baby shows you bias emotions from your part because you are making it seem like God didn't give them a full choice, I recommend you actually open the Bible and read it because you would know what I'm talking about if you did.
Well here is the problem with you Christians because you people always blur the lines between god’s sovereignty and free will saying things like god is in control but would never interfere with free will [ which is a blatant lie ] god interferes with free will constantly in the Old Testament
and you should choose your words carefully you’re getting into blasphemous territory by insulting god’s intelligence they had no knowledge of right and wrong
Just like how a baby wouldn’t know it’s wrong to put a loaded gun in its mouth
Because I'm not agreeing to your stupid metaphor I'm creating blasphemy? Okay buddy, seems like you just can't eat the truth, if you knew the word of God you'd know when you ask for guidance, he gives it, everyone in the Bible asked for guidance which leads to his guidance obviously, name one atheist or non believer in the Bible that got God's help or he got into their lives, I can recall none, read the Bible before you rant on it lol
Something I've noticed about you atheists is y'all never have the proper knowledge on the topic y'all rant on 🤦♂️
Well this is why I’m able to speak on these topics because I’m not an atheist at all and I clearly know much more than you
Reading the Bible means nothing if you can’t comprehend it and read between the lines
You just don’t want to answer my question because you know only an idiot would give a person with limited knowledge free will
Tell me exactly what I’ve said that was incorrect
Notice how you haven’t….
Comparing grown humans to newborn humans, that was your first poopoo, the other is mentioning God gets involved in people's lives when they don't ask for it, second poopoo, saying I was getting into blasphemous territory cause I disagree with you on your baby metaphor, third poopoo which by the way you are doing by calling God an idiot, then you just repeated a lot of things constantly so same poopoos constantly I guess
“ Would you give an infant free will? “
So you’re just not going to answer…
Free will was given because the forbidden tree was the creation of sin and that was the creation of making bad decisions, he still gave them the choice tho, you are trying to say it wasn't a choice, you can have choices if there aren't two options
You mean a baby, yes, they are born with it, or have you not noticed that
Like they don't put things in their mouth and choose to do that, yet it still might be wrong, I call it free choice
The tree didn’t create sin God did dude seriously did you even read the Bible? This is basic shit bro
You didn't read it, the disobedience of Adam and eve created sin, you must be reading the wrong Bible, did I answer all your questions, cause now it seems like you are relying on ignorance
But since we’re getting back to the original point
How could someone with limited knowledge make the right choice
And if God just wants people to use their free will to do what he wants anyways it’s sounds to me like he would’ve been better off with robots
Because they have the knowledge of the right choice
They know the good and the bad which leaves them with choice, this is simple stuff dude lol
You never answered my original question because it was a simple yes or no
Instead you want to argue about a book that you have limited knowledge about 😉
If they knew good and bad then what was the forbidden tree called?
I answered all your questions, you just seem to have a comprehension disability, reread, all the answers are there
A tree, they were just told by God not to eat from it and they did it anyways and people just called it the forbidden tree duh
I don't know how good and bad have anything to do with the trees name but whatever floats your boat
You don’t know a lot 😂
Phony Christian
Sure I'm the phony smh
Type this into Google and educate yourself
“tree in the middle of the garden of eden called”
Okay I'll educate myself with the name of the tree, now tell me what it has anything to do with the topic we are discussing cause it just seems like you have no reply and throw what you can lmao
What you just said means that you either definitely did not read the whole question
You’re not a true Christian
Or you’re just trolling
Three cornerstones for this post include: Free will, Limited knowledge and the tree of …. Come on now you looked it up didn’t you? Or are you just trolling?
You are going around my questionnaire answer my question
Question*
Okay, what was your question?
What does the good or bad have anything to do with the name of the forbidden tree?
Oh that question!
So wait why didn’t you Google it? Because I need you to follow along in order to answer that question
Because me just helping you or telling you is not going help you understand
Answer it and then I'll Google it, I think you are just trying to go around the question cause you know it has nothing to do
Unless you are believing all the mythology created about religions that aren't in the bible.
No I’m leading you to the answer
Please follow along
Do you want to understand or not?
If your response seems legit I'll make it make sense don't worry about me, answer
I can’t answer because you still won’t understand
Okay whatever, keep avoiding it lol
You’re not allowing me to
Me not reading something doesn't stop you from answering a question
Me telling you the answer won’t help you to understand
Okay but you still answer, seems like excuses
Stop being so insecure
You won’t get it wrong I’m simply asking that you follow along
Nothing you have said has been accurate, I don't listen to false prophets, you either answer or accept you are wrong
How can you say that when you’re refusing to allow me to lead you to my point
I’m avoiding a circular argument by having you follow along because I can just answer but then you’ll just say “ That’s wrong or inaccurate “
By allowing you to follow along you’ll have the answer and understand so there is no room for confusion or arguments and the discussion can move forward
A fool is a person who refuses to learn
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,“ Hosea 4:6
Or you are scared of be debunking it with the truth
Me**
The tree of knowledge, go, no excuses
Right!
the knowledge of what?
Good and evil, I don't see your point
I don't understand how it has to do with free will
“ What does the good or bad have anything to do with the name of the forbidden tree? “
And I’ll get to free will in a minute but go back to the baby methaphor a baby shouldn’t be allowed to have free will over something that will harm it because it will most definitely hurt itself with its limited knowledge
I’m not saying man was like actual babies but that mankind like babies have a limited knowledge when it comes to God
Okay compared to God but weither you listen or you don't is a simple choice that requires not much knowledge
That’s true. But wouldn’t have been necessary for God to mention that they should beware of the serpent as well? This is where free will becomes mute
No because at that point he would be manipulating their choice don't you think, a choice wouldn't be a full choice, that would be him aiming for them to succeed and just how he didn't aim for success he didn't aim for them to fail either, wouldn't that make him a hypocrite if he was like "be careful with the serpent that it will try to manipulate you to disobey me" at that point they would just see the serpent and go like nope, wouldn't you believe that's manipulating their choice?
How can you see that as manipulation of choice but not placing the tree smack dab in the center of the garden wasn't again the gun can only harm the baby if it’s within its reach
Cause like I said, you aren't making a choice if there's only one choice, a choice can only be made if there's at least two options
Why give a creature with limited knowledge the choice kill themselves?
I wouldn't say they are killing themselves but I don't know all the answers, I'm sure you'll be able to ask him yourself when you see him, considering the tree being called the tree of knowledge, shows that's there's a deeper meaning behind his whole plan which we clearly I won't know the exact answer.
Now we’re on the same page.
Hey I’d like to thank you
This discussion has brought me to a realization
That God cares so much for our own personal happiness that he allowed us to have the freedom to make our own decisions
💯🙏
Don’t cast your pearls before swine Dan. Irs not worth it. You’ll just get caught in circular logic
But I love debating Christian’s they are so easy to silence 😂
Sometimes I give someone the last word so they can feel better about themselves
At your age, you should be past the fairy tale stage.
I’m at the FairyTail stage 🔥🐉 🪄
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your equation selfcontradicts itself because adults learned.
What is a man compared to God?
You like everyone else just skimmed over the
“ Limited Knowledge” part didn’t you? 😂
Babies have free will but they just have no idea what they are doing.
God says that we as simple little humans have a limited understanding how is that different from a baby
More silly rants from a pedophile, smh.
You can’t prove that anymore than you can prove that God exist
Because that would you are guilty of two sins Lying and Gossiping
That would mean
Like I said prove it to be true
Okay so you’re just trolling and no longer deserving of my time
Have a good day.☺️
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