Do you agree with Trump: Are Catholics not Christians?

[Anonymous]

"Catholics AND Christians," not "Catholics and OTHER Christians" or just "Christians"

Yes, Catholics and Christians are not the same

No, Catholicism is a Christian denomination

Other

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This is what Catholics believe.
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[Red_Arrow]

That statement is so full of bullshit that it amazes me that even the blasphemous Trump would come up with it!

The egg roll has been a tradition since 1878, which means it existed under Trump as well. In order to be inclusive of various beliefs, overtly religious themes have always been forbidden. Also, political themes are forbidden.

Each year on March 31, the world observes Transgender Day of Visibility (TDOV) to raise awareness about transgender people. This year, Easter happened to fall on the same day. Celebrating both is not taking away from Easter nor is it being blasphemous.

The Biden administration has never assaulted Christian faith! He has always shown support for that belief. And he has never sold altered bibles to raise money for his defense of his criminal activities!

And Catholics are most certainly Christians!

[Dargil]

How are the Bibles altered? Because his name is on the cover?

[Red_Arrow]

@Dargil Trump claims that the book blends theology and foundational American political documents, including copies of the constitution, the bill of rights, the declaration of independence and the pledge of allegiance.

[Red_Arrow]

Asker, your update is the Nicene Creed, which is not just for Catholics. Nicene Creed, a Christian statement of faith that is the only ecumenical creed because it is accepted as authoritative by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and major Protestant churches.

[Dargil]

But did he alter the text of the bible or just reflect it to our founding principles?

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm Catholic and I've never heard another Catholic say they're Christian, they always say they're Catholic, because we like to disassociate ourselves from those crazy Protestants.

[Red_Arrow]

@Dargil He added those things I stated, and that is altering.

[Daniela1982]

@Red_Arrow Read what I said about Catholics. And that's just the Biblical parts. We won't talk about the Catholic Inquisition or all the Indian children's deaths in forced Catholic schools, pregnant nuns, and pedophile priests. I guess the real test will be if their names are found in the Book of Life on Judgement Day.

[Siri137]

@Daniela1982 The Protestants removed an entire one third of the Bible (the Deuterocanonicals) and yet they dare to call themselves 'Christians'! The Ethiopians, the Copts, the Orthodox churches - they all have the Deuterocanonical books. Only the Protestants do not. So who are the REAL Christians here?

[Daniela1982]

@Siri137 You don't think that if those books were meant to put in the Bible that God would not have the power to ensure they were put in there? But frankly, I have never even heard of the Deuterocanonicals. All I know is the book Deuteronomy.

[handsomelad70]

Trump wouldn't know TRUE Christianity (NOT the disgusting wolves in sheep's clothing who overlook Trump's villainy to follow him) if Jesus bit him in his bulbous, nasty, likely unwashed a**!!!

[strateguy632]

to handsom start showers insted of project yourself on others.

[patois]

I don't see anything in the text that states Catholics aren't Christians. You should probably learn to read English. Easter being the principal festival of the Christian church, would infer through context that Catholics are Christians in Trumps view. Being that Catholics are the only named denomination and they are mentioned first shows their preeminence among all of Christians. Other Christians are important, but Catholics are definitely favored by Trump based on the statement you posted.

[patois]

While Trump doesn't claim to be a Catholic himself, he seems to understand that the Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination in the United States, and thus is giving Catholics preference in representation even above his own church. That's what representative government is suppose to do, put their constituents above themselves.

[KostasKouvalis]

He probably just worded it strangely. Though as a Catholic, I assure you that Catholicism is very different from Protestant Christianity and Orthodox Christianity. It almost does feel like a separate religion. Whenever my professors would ask for people to raise their hand if they're Christian, I always rose it with hesitation as I didn't want to be associated with those crazy Protestants. Also, I've noticed on Wikipedia in some demographic data it says "Christian", but if they're Catholic it says "Catholic." I do the same thing. For example, I refer to countries like the Philippines or Poland as "Catholic countries", but refer to other denominations as "Christian countries."
I don't know how other Catholics feel, but I personally don't like being associated with Protestants. Also, I've never heard another Catholic person say they are Christian, they always say they're Catholic.

[strateguy632]

i interpreted the stat as a respect: many people to deserve separate mention besides the group of groups.

[docster]

Yes, I agree with the statement. The RCC teaches a false gospel. Penance cannot pay for sin. Sins aren't forgiven by confessing to a priest. Mary is not co-redemptrix.

Jesus alone is our redeemer. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. Only Jesus' sacrifice on the cross can pay for our sins, not anything we can do. We have to put all of trust in Jesus, no one else.

[Asker]

so Jesus was lying when he told his apostles this: "21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
"Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
“Be converted, and do penance for all your iniquities…. Cast away from you all your transgressions… and make to yourselves a new heart, and a new spirit” (Ezech., xviii, 30-31; cf. Joel, ii, 12; Jer., viii, 6). In the same spirit St. John the Baptist exhorts his hearers: “Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance” (Matt., iii, 8). Such too is the teaching of Christ as expressed in the parables of the Prodigal Son and of the Publican; while the Magdalen who “washed out her sins with her tears” of sorrow,

[strateguy632]

to doc, good point! 💖 still i doubt trump referd to that idea. he was "just listing" like "first catholics" and also all christian

[Siri137]

Catholicism isn't just another branch of Christianity; it is the ORIGINAL Christianity! If anyone isn't a Christian, it's all those Protestants, a movement that began as an act of rebellion against Christ.

[KostasKouvalis]

Actually, ORTHODOX Christianity is the ORIGINAL Christianity. The Catholic split off because they didn't like the idea of having so many popes

[Asker]

@KostasKouvalis the great schism was over who had authority: the Pope or the Emperor

[Siri137]

@KostasKouvalis Wrong. Look into the Great Schism of 1054. Originally the two churches were one and the same, there was no division between Orthodox and Catholic. The reasons for the split weren't theological, but political.

[Asker]

The Emperor in Constantinople kept appointing bishops. The Pope told him to stop. He did not, so the Pope excommunicated him the then the Emperor appointed archbishop of Constantinople excommunicated the Pople.

[OfDeath]

The Catholic church predates Protestantism which began with Martin Luther in the 16th century and it wasn’t even his intention to split the faith.

That’s the irony of it. Protestant Christians are now protesting against breaks in tradition by Catholics when the whole point of Protestantism was to be able to break tradition and still be called Christian!

Laughable. Yes Catholics are Christians. For fuck sake. The stupidity of people these days. I mean just a little bit of education could make all the difference but everyone is too blinded by identity politics to realise how stupid they actually are. Unbelievable.

[BCRanger10]

Catholics are Christians. And he didn't say that they're not.

Trump is a lot of things, but a master theologian and biblical scholar are not among them. He probably knows about as much as most other people when they ask "what's the difference between Catholics and Christians?" That includes many Christians, Catholic or not.

[Asker]

then why separate Catholics and Christians in his statement?

[BCRanger10]

Because like I said already said, he likely knows much about the difference between denominations as most others. Which is to say very little.

[Asker]

so he doesn't know Catholics are Christians

[BCRanger10]

Yes. He more than likely does not.

[Asker]

fair enough

[sean1234]

Actually, the catholic church is ran off of tradition and the Holy Bible and real Christianity rejects tradition.

[Asker]

@sean1234 what denominations don't use tradition? Are there denominations that don't sing hymmns unless those lyrics are from the Bible? Do they not have any formal wedding ceremonies? Is their Sabbath the same one as the Jews? Is Passover the only religious holiday they celebrate? Do they only meet as proscribed by the Bible?

[BCRanger10]

@sean1234 even though the Bible says hold to tradition?

[Dargil]

I am Catholic and a presbyterian. Does that mean that they are separate religions?

[sean1234]

Colossians 2:6-8
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with Thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

https://breakeveryyoke.com/245/51/2/6/8/

Mark 7:7-9

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

https://breakeveryyoke.com/245/41/7/7/9/

[Asker]

@sean1234 so which Bible passage is correct? The ones I posted, or the one you posted?
Jesus adhered to tradition at the Last Supper, no?

[sean1234]

What denominations don't use tradition? More than likely, the ones that will make it to heaven.

You can't do your thing and make it to heaven. It's God's way or none at all.

[sean1234]

Don't see one

[Asker]

@sean1234 isn't the way we worship tradition: meeting in a church, pastor read from the Bible and give a sermon.
Aren't marriages in Christian churches tradition? Funerals?
Did the early Christians not carry over traditions from Judaism?

[sean1234]

All fake Christians celebrate a false sabbath, especially if they know what the truth was, were taught it and reject it. The false sabbath is a tradition of man, Easter Sunday that is babylonian is a tradition of man and Christmas is the same. Praying to Mary to get to Jesus is a tradition that came from Babylon and all pagan. Those traditions died out until the catholic church brought them back later on.

[Asker]

@sean1234 so your church has a different way of worship every Sabbath? All of your wedding ceremonies are unique with unique vows? The ONLY prayer your church says is The Our Father? You don't have any hymns or songs or if you do, they are not traditional?

[BCRanger10]

@update Correct. We'll, mostly. There are a few articles yet, but that is most of it.

At any rate, I'd counsel you not to bother arguing with Sean. I've tried using facts, logic, and the Bible with him. Never works.

[sean1234]

I just gave you people bible scripture that says not to hold tradition... OF MAN.

[sean1234]

All your traditions is of the world, not of God.

[sean1234]

Traditional holidays, sabbath, wheres the logical reasoning to convince me I'm wrong, wheres the scripture?

"So your church has a different way of worshipping every sabbath?"

- The problem is that there is only ONE church all others are false.

Music? Honestly, unless it's practically directly out of the bible as if you are singing psalms, I don't really care for it that much. It's not supposed to be your thing or you opinion of God, but God only.

[BCRanger10]

@sean1234 okay. "Thou art a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek". Explain how that does not support tradition. Or 2 Thessalonians 2.15 ("hold to your traditions"). Or Christ saying "do this in memory of me".

[sean1234]

Tradition of man or God?

[handsomelad70]

I understand Minnie Minoso and Satchel Paige were waiters at the Last Supper.(I wasn't, however.)

[exitseven]

Great way to take President Trumps words out of context. I think you should write for the Washington Post.

[Asker]

How did I do that?

[Dargil]

Or the New York times.

[Asker]

@Dargil so you have no answer. You just heard "out of context" somewhere, and you think it sounds good, so you use though you clearly have no understanding of it.
What's next "What about Biden?"

[exitseven]

Clearly Trump did not mean that Catholics are not Christians. I do not know exactly why he said what he did but a moron would be able to figure out that he meant no disrespect..

[Asker]

why not say "Catholics and OTHER Christians" or just "Christians" then?
You know if Biden said that, MAGA would be howling over it

[exitseven]

Trump makes speech after speech and usually goes off script. If this is the biggest mistake he makes I think he is doing good.

[Daniela1982]

Well, there ARE some theology differences between Christianity and Catholicism. That might make them not quite right in God's eyes.

[Keyboardkat]

It's like one of those high school logic questions. "All woggles are snoggles." In this case, the fact is, all Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.

[NamerOfStars]

I'm more concerned about the fact that you think Karoline Leavitt and Donald Trump are the same person.

[Asker]

she doesn't speak for him?

[NamerOfStars]

In every minute detail, down to tiny choices of phrasing? No.

I mean, come on, man, this is DONALD TRUMP. Do you really think he's going to let someone else talk for him when he could be hearing the sound of his own voice?

[andreasderjuengere]

I don't see how one other personal opinion of this man would be relevant in my own life.

[Asker]

the question is "Do you agree with Trump" not "Does another opinion of him matter to you?"

[strateguy632]

trump never said the thing you lied he said.

[Asker]

his campaign put it out. I guess you could argue he doesn't agree with his own campaign using his name

[strateguy632]

you said he said "not christian" but that wasn't the quote. pants on fire!

[John_And_Elijah]

Catholicism isn't Christianity. The pope is a satanist who's in cuhoots with the occult. The Catholic Church mixes traditions with the word of God.

[Asker]

read the Nicean Creed and tell me how that is not Christian.

[sean1234]

Tell me how this is Christian? th.bing.com/.../R.5ad6851e2f84699bcdc71bb82e08de65 tell me where it says in the bible that the popes of Rome is God with a cherub on each side and all?

how is this Christian?

[strateguy632]

john i ageee with you here.

[sean1234]

Most catholics aren't Christian, but then again, most us presidents aren't either, including Donald Trump and Biden to name a very few.

[Dargil]

Fake news. He didn't say any such thing. No further defense needed.

[Asker]

Are you saying I photoshopped that, and those are not his words?

[Dargil]

No, I'm saying you do not understand English syntax. You must have been sleeping in class. Sad.

[Asker]

So if I said that’s an insult to Jews and Christians, you’d assume they are the same?

[Dargil]

If I used men and boys in the same sentence, would you think they were separate or were you think they were both males?

[Dargil]

Damned syntax again.

[Asker]

men and boys are not the same. Adults and children

[Sal_Monella]

Like me, he does not use the word Protestant.. Other words could be evangelicals. Pentecostalists, Reformed, and Baptists Your question shows your ignorance.

[AngryCarl]

If Catholics and Protestants were the same religion why would they regard the other as heretics?

[sean1234]

I think the truth is too much for most people. ... in the past, the heretics were executed by the catholic church. It's in history, just reading the Bible meant imprisonment and or death. The death toll from the beginning of it all to the end including the dark ages from 70-200,000,000

[DrPepper12]

It's undeniable that Catholicism is Christian. Where's the debate?