Is the bible the inspired word of God with no errors?

[Anonymous]

Yes

Yes at one point in time

No

[phraseology]

I take it that you are a Muslim that has neither read the Bible or the Quran... Over and over and over, the Quran confirms the Bible, tells Muslims that are in doubt to refer to the previous scriptures, and tells Muslims not to take part of the scriptures, but to accept it call... The problem for Muslims is that the Quran contradicts the Bible, thus Islam is false. If you know Islam in and out, then you know it is a false religion. All you have to do is read man.

Bible

1 Thessalonians 2:13

13 And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.

Matthew 22:31-32

31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”

Quran

Sura 7:156-157

"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.

Sura 53:36

"Nay is he not acquainted with what IS IN THE BOOKS OF MOSES."

Sura 5:46

"But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which IS the command of God."

Sura 5:50

"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious."

Sura 5:71

"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."

Sura 3:93-94

"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."

Sura 28:48-49

"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"

Sura 32:23

"We did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: Be not then in doubt of its REACHING (THEE): And we made it a guide to the Children of Israel."

and so on...

[phraseology]

*all

[CB-Raido-Time]

The Bible is absolutely the True word of God. Those who like to point out that men wrong the Bible overlook the obvious. The obvious is first of all every word of the Bible came from God and His word was written down by the men that wrote His word down. God Himself didn't write His Word in the Bible and hand it to men and you have to remember that NO MAN can ever see God and live (Exodus 33:20) men saw God's True Son Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh and His words (instructions) are in the Bible. Many make the same mistake looking for discrepancies in the Bible never question it.

[OfDeath]

Circular reasoning fallacy.

Not to mention the multitude of scientific inaccuracies of the Bible. If it was truly the divine word of an all knowing god, there should be no mistakes at all.

[CB-Raido-Time]

@OfDeath There are no mistakes in the Bible. You make the mistakes in your interpretation on your own it's not the Bible.

[OfDeath]

No, it’s definitely the bible.

[DrPepper12]

It's a compilation of falsehoods. It's a joke

[Staximus]

Every word in the Bible was written by a man and came from a man's mind smart guy

[Asker]

@Staximus facts.

[lowkanymous]

@OfDeath "scientific inaccuracies" +1 point for using a big word. the bible isn't a science textbook. some parts are meant to be taken literally, but others are simply written to show us examples of how we should act.

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous Special pleading. Big word? Actually they were 2 words and just normal English. The bible wasn’t written by god. It isn’t even an original story. Most of it is borrowed from other texts. The contradictions and falsehoods therein disqualify it from being considered to be of divine origin.

[CB-Raido-Time]

@Staximus The Word of God to Moses and the Word of Jesus Christ Written by His Disciples the Disciples of Jesus Christ, that is. Your attempts to lesson facts they don't work.

[lowkanymous]

@OfDeath obviously it wasn't written by God, he is outside of anything human except through his son. the bible is the inspired word of God, written by men. that's like saying that the mona lisa was pairing by her because she was the muse. completely false. also, what parts of the bible are borrowed from other texts? the parables? the stories that were made up to help our understanding of gods word? also, what contradictions are there in the bible?

[lowkanymous]

painted*

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous You have a lot of unfounded assumptions in that paragraph. Such as the blatant projection that “god” (which no valid, reliable or rational evidence has ever been discovered for) is somehow part of this book which borrows heavily from other myth. Which parts exactly? Well I could reel a few off but it would take another one of these reply boxes if not more. Well, ok I shouldn’t be able to deflect that one should I. I shall tell you the answer to that question in another reply box before returning to the broader unsupported, presumptive claim you have made and the reason why it is an invalid argument:

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous So the bible is by no means completely unique. In fact, very little of it actually is. There are numerous parallels with earlier texts throughout. Particularly in the Old Testament so let’s start with that.

Creation stories:

The biblical creation story in Genesis 1-2 has similarities to the Babylonian Enuma Elish, where the universe is formed out of chaos. For example, both describe a watery void at the beginning of creation.

The motif of humans being formed from the earth (Genesis 2:7) parallels Mesopotamian myths, like the Atrahasis Epic, where humans are created from clay and divine blood

Flood Narratives:

The story of Noah’s Ark (Genesis 6-9) has significant similarities to the flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Both involve a divine warning about a flood, the building of a boat, the preservation of animals, and the sending out of birds to find dry land.

Laws and odes:

The Code of Hammurabi (Babylonian, 18th century BCE) predates the biblical law codes found in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. While the specifics differ, both include laws about justice, property, and social behavior which only reflect a snapshot of the social zeitgeist at the time and are there for clearly not the will of an omniscient divine entity.

Wisdom and Literature:

Books like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes share themes and expressions with ancient Egyptian wisdom texts, such as the Instruction of Amenemope. These texts focus on practical advice for living a moral and prosperous life. Again, only according to the understanding of morals in the respective historical periods, for example, the character Jesus had no problem with slavery and accepted it as part of normal life. Not something an all loving divine entity would agree with.

Psalm parallels:

Some Psalms share similarities with Ugaritic texts (Canaanite), particularly in their descriptions of divine kingship and battles against chaos, such as Yahweh defeating the sea or Leviathan (Psalm 74:13-14).

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous What was that? This is only the old testament and you only believe in the new? Well that isn’t immune from this type of scrutiny either:

New Testament:

Birth Narratives:

Elements of Jesus’ birth story, such as the virgin birth (Matthew 1:18-25), echo Greco-Roman and other mythological traditions, where divine beings often have miraculous births. This is a heavy indication that the Jesus story is fake and in terms of likelihood, makes it highly unlikely to be true and very likely to be myth.

Resurrection and savior figures:

The theme of death and resurrection has parallels with stories of deities like Osiris (Egyptian), Tammuz (Mesopotamian), and Dionysus (Greek), who undergo death and renewal. This shrouds the claim of the character of Jesus’ resurrection heavily in doubt.

Moral teachings:

Some of Jesus’ moral teachings, such as the Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12), can be found in earlier ethical systems, like Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, and Hillel the Elder’s teachings in Judaism.

So the Bible was cleverly pieced together from other mythology over quite a long time. It is merely an attempt at creating a divine narrative rather than one such which was inspired by divinity itself. Do you understand now?

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous Contradictions? Well that is going to take more reply boxes but I shall again provide the answer:

Creation accounts:

Genesis 1: Humans are created last, after plants and animals.

Genesis 2: Humans are created before plants and animals.

The fate of Judas Iscariot:

How did Judas die?:

Matthew 27:5: Judas hanged himself.

Acts 1:18: Judas fell headlong, and his body burst open.

God’s nature and actions:

Can God be seen?

Exodus 33:11: “The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.”

Exodus 33:20: “You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

Does God change his mind?

Numbers 23:19: “God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.”

Jonah 3:10: God changes His mind about destroying Nineveh after they repent.

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous Contradictions continued:

Moral teachings:

Judging others.

Matthew 7:1: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”

John 7:24: “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”

Genealogies of the character Jesus:

Who was Joseph’s father?

Matthew 1:16: Jacob was Joseph’s father.

Luke 3:23: Heli was Joseph’s father.

Lineage to David.

Matthew 1:6-16: Traces Jesus’ lineage through Solomon, David’s son by Bathsheba.

Luke 3:23-31: Traces Jesus’ lineage through Nathan, another son of David by Bathsheba.

The Death of Saul:

How did Saul die?

1 Samuel 31:4-6: Saul took his own sword and fell on it.

2 Samuel 1:8-10: An Amalekite claims to have killed Saul at Saul’s request.

Salvation and Works:

Is salvation by faith alone or by works?

Ephesians 2:8-9: Salvation is by grace through faith, not by works.

James 2:24: “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.”

Resurrection Appearances:

Who saw the character Jesus first after his alleged resurrection?

Matthew 28:1-10: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary.

Mark 16:9: Mary Magdalene alone.

Luke 24:13-35: Two disciples on the road to Emmaus.

John 20:14-18: Mary Magdalene alone, but under slightly different circumstances.

God’s View on Killing:

Shall we kill or not?

Exodus 20:13: “You shall not murder.”

Exodus 32:27: God commands the Levites to kill about 3,000 people who worshipped the golden calf.

So there you have a long list of blatant contradictions. Stark conflicts which shouldn’t be there if the Bible were to maintain any sense of intellectual integrity.

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous So in conclusion, the bible is full of error, contradiction and frankly plagiarism. Comparing it to the Mona Lisa is a false equivalence fallacy in multiple ways. It is simply irrational to believe the bible or the stories therein are inspired by actual divinity and to project the attributes of “god” with no evidence in support of such projection is invalid.

[lowkanymous]

@OfDeath maybe the historical facts or dates are messed up, but Gods message rings true. Also many of the contradictions were from different books, and it's a fact that everyone has different perspectives and memories from the same events. it's clear that you don't believe in a God, so that's where we intersect. I'm not going to try to convince you that He is real, rhat is simply my belief, and you have yours. I could say whatever I wanted and it wouldn't change your belief.

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous Well, it should be noted that they’re not facts when they’re “messed up” and incorrect.

By the way it is not a “fact” that “everyone had different perspectives and memories from the same events” when those events are not even proven to have happened in the first place and what you consider “memories” are actually just part of a tall tale.

You are correct that I don’t believe in gods and it’s where we divert rather than intersect as you said.

Most people try to remain amicable and say things like “I respect your position” but I don’t say that. I actually don’t respect your position or anyone else’s who really believes the bible should be taken seriously.

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous I find such irrationality appalling and a blight on the human intellect. In fact, I find blind faith in divinity to be a veritable abnegation of the intellect.

I’m not content with you carrying on living with the same ignorant trust in theocratic literature and I would hope that after this evisceration, you actually do start to question your own beliefs and eventually become enlightened to the fact you have been culturally deceived collectively with the rest of most of the population of the world for your entire life.

You are essentially an apologist and this is the thing about the apologetic position:

Apologetics must work hard to maintain credibility in light of modern scholarship, archaeology, and literary analysis. While some arguments (like those emphasizing spiritual truths over literal readings) resonate with believers, others may feel like an attempt to fit a square peg into a round hole.

For critics or skeptics, these defenses often reinforce the view that the Bible is best understood as a human document reflecting its time and place, rather than a flawless divine revelation.

What’s clear is that critical examination of the Bible opens up significant questions about its nature, purpose, and reliability—and that’s something apologists cannot avoid engaging with, even if it puts them in a defensive position.

[lowkanymous]

@OfDeath i'm sure you're fun at parties

[OfDeath]

@lowkanymous I’m always the life of them for real. I really am. You should come to one of my parties some time.

[jennifer_bloom]

I believe the bible verses are intentionally placed there but you have symbolism, sarcasm, intentional mislabeling, and underlying secrets, as you would in any other high level piece of literature. I believe the reason the bible is not obvious in its meaning is that it is only meant for those that are chosen for salvation based on their experiences and actions. Also many things are not meant for all to know because it could interfere with their behaviour before they are ready for that knowledge.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

The bible was written by men, and if you compare the story of Noah’s flood to the Epic of Gilgamesh, you will see that not only is a majority of Genesis plagiarized (the oral tradition of the hebrew religion did not have an origin story so they took one from the babylonians) but also that the rules inside were made to fit a time that no longer suits us, and many things are taken out of their historical context and assigned new meaning to best fit the current christian authorities.

[Asker]

I've heard Babylonian elites were taken and sent to Israel by captors and that's where they got the Abraham story

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

No, Babylon occupied Israel and exiled the hebrew population. That’s when they started writing everything down out of fear it might be lost if they didn’t

[Gwendoline]

That's nonsense because the Jewish and Samaritian bible are basically identical. The Samaritians are hebrews just like the Jews. They separated after the reign of Solomon when the kingdom of Israel got split in two between the southern Kingdom of judea (jews) and the Northern Kingdom of samaria (Samaritians).
Samaritians believe everything the Jews do more or less right up until before the babylonian exile with Ester and Daniel and everything after, the Samaritians weren't conquered by the babylonians.
The Jews haven't censored the Torah to fit Christian authorities either.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Samaritans may have lived in Babylon but they did not make up the entirety of Babylon, nor were they necessarily part of the Babylonian occupying military force.

[Asker]

@Gwendoline Samaritans were half jewish half assyrian, maybe more like 80% jewish and 20% assyrian. Whatever it was, it was enough for the jews to discriminate agains them on grounds of being the "lost tribes".

[lowkanymous]

the bible was written by men who were inspired by the holy spirit. the bible is not a history text book, it also uses symbolism and parables and much more to show Gods word. also the whole point of the bible is that it is gods everlasting word, meaning it is true no matter what time we are living in.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You can use religious doctrine however you want but considering how many ruled and regulations written in it or ignored, don’t go claiming perfect accuracy when no one accurately acts in the way it says

[lowkanymous]

i didn't say it had no inaccuracies, i said Gods message has none. no matter how hard we try we will never be able to follow all of His word.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

And humans, who wrote the bible, made errors when writing it because errors are human nature and that’s why we will never be able to follow all of God’s word, which you have just confirmed. Thank you.

[lowkanymous]

they did make mistakes when speaking gods word, but im sure they made mistakes like mixing up a date or smth random like that. even if the bible had ZERO errors, no one would be able to follow his word exactly. we are human like u said, and we all miss the mark sometimes. also i am just curious, are u religious?

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Let’s not go around in circles on this. You wanna get personal, DM me.

[lowkanymous]

we aren't going in circles but alright

[ihateTaylorSwift]

there's no such thing as perfect so I don't get why all believers praise him like he is

and be expected the same
when they're only human
it's in our nature
to make occasional mistakes

but to call them SINS?
and be damned
forever isolated to a dark place surrounded
by the regrets we had
slowly melting away
in flames

Isn't that a little extreme?

the bible teaches forgiveness and faith

But shows no remorse
For unholy doings
And Dirty deeds
that we can't help or stop
but have no choice but force ourselves to resist all temptation of the flesh

How Sad.

[lowkanymous]

there is no such thing as perfect except for God, Jesus and Mary. God does NOT expect us to be perfect at all. if he did, he wouldn't have sent his only son to die for our sins. we are human, we are meant to give into temptation every once and a while. also, people do not go to hell because God sends them there for sinning. people choose to live separately from God, and hell is the only place where he is not there. we can't help giving into temptation, and God knows that. that's why he is so forgiving and loving no matter how awful you mess up.

[Dargil]

You can't use the Koran to refute the Bible. You might as well use a Stutz Bearcat repair manual.

[DrPepper12]

@lowkanymous if only Mary had fessed up about that body count we wouldn't be here...

[lowkanymous]

@DrPepper12 she was a virgin

[DrPepper12]

Sure she was @lowkanymous. Sure she was...😉😜

[lowkanymous]

@DrPepper12 she was

[DrPepper12]

Uh-huh... M'kay

[Dargil]

If I made a public statement to several people, the transcript would vary. Look at Matthew, Mark (kind of a paraphrase of Matthew) and Luke. They vary.
The Holy Bible is the divinely inspired Word of G0d. The transcripts are not inerrant, but the Message is is true.

[lightbulb27]

The Jews were very strict in copying the original books.

The new testament, don't know.

Inspired word, yes or probably.

Error free... probably not.

does it matter, no. You don't need a whole book to figure out Christ's message. It's a simple yes or no.

[strateguy632]

About jew scribe copies,
Well i heard that too... but spelling differences were recorded.
I also suspect text was added into the rabbi version of the old testament.

[lightbulb27]

@strateguy632 I'm not sure anyone knows for sure. I think the truths hold true still for humanity, in wisdom. take for what it's worth to ya in life today.
I'm not seeing much difference between humans back then and now, other than I think we might be... worse... given how much stress we live in. Might be better to be in a church in a cave singing "ooommmmmmmm" for hours...

[AviatorTom]

God made man originally perfect, and then Adam and Eve sinned, making humans imperfect. God wrote the Bible, but it was transcribed by imperfect humans, who certainly made some mistakes. Like any other literary work, the Bible is not perfect. That makes it very interesting for us humans, who have to decide which parts are perfect and which are not.

[DrPepper12]

Yeah talking snakes always trip me up too...

[lowkanymous]

@DrPepper12 the bible is not a history book, most books in it are not meant to be taken literally

[DrPepper12]

No it's not. Its a great work of fiction and a literary masterpiece

[Malgarak]

It's so silly and insulting to the concept of a God, to think that the bible is the word of God, if anything I would argue that all religion on earth is anti God, they basically unaware reject the concept of God. Like come on, the concept, the idea of an actual God, a creator of everything are so beyond all earthly ideas and concepts. And all religions want to make him so small, tiny, and childish even, it's again insulting.

[strateguy632]

Learn what insult means.

[andreasderjuengere]

Narhhh...

it's a collection of texts written by humans to express and to narrate their own experiences with and about God.

Add some poetry, and some science fiction... sanctioned by the prevailing cults of similar interests.

But then - I see the Bible to be inspired by belief (of different stages and nature, and honesty)

[DrPepper12]

Yeah it's the truthful word of God the same way that Trump is a fountain of truth, justice and democracy. It's a man-made text, made by committee, by at best secondary tertiary sources and was voted on by committees. It's not the word of God, God doesn't exist.

[lowkanymous]

it was a man made text but the authors were divinely inspired by the holy spirit.

[DrPepper12]

@lowkanymous still no

[lowkanymous]

who told you that rhe bible is "man-made text, made by committee, by at best secondary tertiary sources and was voted on by committees"? did u just pull that out of your ass for dramatic effect bc u aren't christian?

[DrPepper12]

Facts, evidence, history

[Pohjolan]

Firstly the council of Nikea not God decided what should be in it (or what is canon) or not.

Secondly if you read it from start to finish its pretty clear that its written by humans limited by knowledge of their time.

A god would know that dead birds don't act as disinfectant.

[strateguy632]

Omg it never said that!
It was a spiritual ceremony!

[Pohjolan]

@strateguy632
Its a ceremony to cleanse a house of bacteria.

[lowkanymous]

the authors of the bible were inspired by god, amd they included their own experiences in tje writings. also have you actually read the bible cover to cover? thats rllt cool ANYWAY obviously it seems like it was writtem by humans that had limited knowledge because it WAS written by humans with limited knowledge.

[strateguy632]

@Pohjolan so which word means "bacteria"?

[Pohjolan]

@strateguy632
Leprosy or leper as a person being a carrier of the disease.

[Anonymous]

No the Bible has NEVER been claimed to be "The word of God with NO ERRORS",

That has only been claimed by one religion, a religion that is split in two by a dispute over who should succeed the Prophet Muhammad as leader of the Islamic faith.

[LeatherDame]

Given that the cities Moses invades in Exodus weren’t founded until ~1000 years later it’s safe to say the truth is poetic, not literal and there are certainly errors.

[Dongie]

How do you explain prophecy at 100% accuracy hundreds of years in advance?

[Asker]

@Dongie Backdated prophecies. For example the prophecy of the temple being destroyed by Jesus is how they date the gospels to be from 70 A. D.

[LeatherDame]

They weren’t 100% accurate, they were open to interpretation in how they filled out and many were still inaccurate after all that. The temple was destroyed multiple times.

Jesus is also claimed to have been transported to Bethlehem by two different mechanism in the gospels of Matthew and Mark, which is another example of them retconning to try to make the story fit with the prophecy they already “knew” was true (so believed they were telling the truth/discovering the truth rather than lying). The census never happened, there was no mass migration of people travelling back to their town of birth to sign papers, it was made up to make the story make sense. Jesus was born in Nazareth.

[Dongie]

300 hundred prophecies were fulfilled about the Messiah. They were written in the Old Testament.

[LeatherDame]

Re-read the section about the already well known retcons and you should understand why that’s the case.

[Dongie]

King Cyrus of Persia, who let the Jews leave captivity. Check that.

[Asker]

How about the fact the gospels disagree on Jesus genealogy? (but of course there's an explanation for everything)

[Asker]

@Dongie What about Odin? I'm pretty sure he prophesied the Germans would leave Roman captivity and carve out the empire for themselves to live in. Isn't Odin amazing?

[LeatherDame]

I didn’t say every single prophecy was wrong, a broken clock is still right twice a day after all and the predictions were made by the leaders of the time and represented their best guess multiplied by the constraints of the existing poetry/oral stories.

As mentioned, they got a ton of things wrong, including their own history. Moses’ story is a metaphor, the towns he visited didn’t exist when he was supposed to be alive. It’s an origin story in the Jewish people but there was no person who took a massive amount of slaves out of Egypt at once and went into the Sainai. There were only small groups of hunter gatherers there during that time (visible from their well preserved campfire remains). This retconning was to try to fit a poetic truth into a literal history, the Old Testament was the result.

Then add that each gospel disagrees on core aspects of Jesus’ life and you see a second round of ret-conning to line up Jesus’s story/limited knowledge of his life with the already existing prophecy. Which was why they had to figure out how he was born in Bethlehem and both made up different reasons/stories to fit the prophecy. They didn’t think they were lying, they thought they were filling in the gaps with what “must” be true since it was in the prophecy.

[Dongie]

Heh, I'm not arguing faith with those not possessing any.

Understand?
I couldn't care less what you believe of pagans, atheist, or Christians.

[LeatherDame]

I possess faith, I don’t possess the belief that a book written by the cultural elites (Jerusalem’s ruling class for the Torah and Romans/council of Nicea for the New Testament) is inherently 100% factual though. Especially when it’s been clearly demonstrated to have inaccuracies.

They’re compilations of local oral traditions to fit the narrative of the ruling elite at the time the stories were compiled and standardized by the ruling elite. They reflect the views of those elites at the time the book was standardized.

[strateguy632]

To @LeatherDame all your details don't attach.
In Book genesis moses never invaded any city.
Joshua invaded but not moses.
But hey maybe you can give an example of such a city?

[LeatherDame]

Numbers 31:18 Moses ordered the genocide of the Midianites, though saved the virgin girls. The midianites were not established in that area at the time Moses was supposed to be alive, but they were established by 700-150bce when the Old Testament/Torah was standardized/effectively written.

[JustinTheGreat]

No lol.

im not religious so I think its all fake anyways.
but even if God was real, there’s no way that man involved didn’t add their own bullshit to the Bible and just disguise it as the “word of god”

[lowkanymous]

the authors of the bible were divinely inspired, meaning the holy spirit worked through them and inspired them. they talked about their own personal experiences, but God and his word are shown through them

[JustinTheGreat]

@lowkanymous but you don’t know if they were just bullshitting and pretending that god came to them just so they can add their own rules that they feel people should follow

[lowkanymous]

well that's the point of faith, the stories in the bible tell us the correct way to act according to our religion and beliefs

[JustinTheGreat]

@lowkanymous Yes I get that but what I’m saying is that you have no idea if the authors of the Bible truly experienced God showing his word through them.
I could sit here and say “god came to me and told me we should write this new rule in the Bible” and that doesn’t mean I’m telling the truth.. I could be lying as a way to disguise my own personal beliefs as the word of god.

[lowkanymous]

well maybe that's true, but all the messages in the bible are good, which is the way god would want us to act.

[JustinTheGreat]

@lowkanymous I wouldn’t everything in the Bible is necessarily good lol

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I truly appreciate God's sense of humor, considering that we're still here, millennia later, now using fancy phones, to argue over the same old book.

[genericname85]

no the bible is the word of people written down by people. it's fictional for the most part with a garnish of some real places and real people in these stories and legends but the truth content is pretty low overall.

[lowkanymous]

the bible was written by authors that were divinely inspired by the holy spirit. god inspired them to write, but they personalized it by mentioning their own experiences and stories to make it more understandable for us. the bible is not meant to be taken completely literally, there are many different kinds of writing in it. the truth of the events may not be 100 percent true, but the overall messages found are true by how we should live.

[genericname85]

@lowkanymous it's amazing with what conviction you can say that you do not know to be true nor you can show to be true which makes you a liar who's really good at lying :D

[Dongie]

How would you know what a person does or doesn't know @genericname85 ?

[genericname85]

@Dongie i'll demonstrate by making an example: if you'd say "this happened before the big bang" or "i know what happens after death", i'd know you don't know that. because nobody knows that. it's really quite simple.

[lowkanymous]

that made absolutely no sense pls rephrase

[genericname85]

@lowkanymous it's simple. Can you show or demonstrate anything you said there to be actually true? No you can't. And it's not like I'm not giving you the chance it's just that people haven't done that in the over 2000 years this delusion is around. So If you somehow have something that all the other people don't. You can show me that I'm wrong but I highly doubt thst.

[Dongie]

You know not what God has shown me.

[genericname85]

@Dongie i know god has never shown anyone anything. it's entirely delusion and makebelieve. but i trust that you've been deluded to the point that you're actually convinced you're speaking the truth. so i'm not faulting you for lying.

[Dongie]

How have I been deleted? By whom? By what?
You laid the rules for non belief. Is it not the same for all things?

Like I said, you know not what GOD has shown me!

[genericname85]

@Dongie deluded not deleted xD probably got auto corrected right? i know god has not shown you anything, cause for someone to show you something that someone has to exist in the first place. unless you're speaking of some fictional character in your fantasy but then really who showed something to you is yourself.

Belief is: Something one may hold to be true even if they cannot show it to be true –regardless of their level of conviction or experience. it's inferior to knowlegde. and i'm not the one defining that. i'm way too dumb to have come up with it myself but luckily we're all standing on the shoulders of giants who already layed out all the groundwork that gives us the tools to distinguish believe from knowledge but for some weird reason some people still choose believe.

[Dongie]

Autocorrect it was!!

Prove to me God is non-existance.

[Dongie]

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's so.
Maybe you think you are a god?

[genericname85]

@Dongie it doesn't work that way around. I could tell you proof that unicorns exist. I'm dismissing the claim that there is a god because to do that, I only need the same level of evidence that was put forth for the claim to begin with, which is nothing. So by virtue of there not being anything to show for in support of the claim that god exists, I am justified in just dismissing it.

And it doesn't matter who is the one believing. It's still believing and that's as I said not an argument for anything but a deluded position.

[genericname85]

@Dongie and no i don't have a god complex but I can tell what's true and what's not because I've learned the scientific method. Everyone can learn that. It's litterally how we know things. Not just me.

[Dongie]

No, that's where you are wrong. You think you possess the wisdom of the universe and if all ages but you don't. Only God does!!

Let me tell you for the last time and don't argue with me further on this matter. Just because you're 'belief' that there is NO God doesn't is not proof. You don't have to believe me, but do not insult me by coming in my face with your disbelief. I won't try to convince you He exists, but STOP contradicting me.

[Dongie]

Not to be harsh, but truly I say it's very rude to infer you are a better judge at what I've witnessed than myself. To as much as say I'm nuts is not nice.

[genericname85]

@Dongie neither me nor you nor anyone possesses the wisdom about everything in the universe and at no point did i claim that, you just lied again. it's a very easily falsifialble thing. just one question and you'd know that i neither claim to know anything nor actually know anything. that's just a cheap personal attack, which i just felt like i had to point it out as such as to prevent you from doing that again knowing it's nonsense.

there's no need to argue cause logically coherent truth claims that might serve as argument for god are as nonexistent as god himself, which is big part of the reason why i am perfectly justified to say that god does not evidently exist. because there's no evidence for his existence. Framing my denial of the unsubstentiated claim that a god exists as a "believe in gods nonexistence" is a strawman argument and a shift of proof away from the ones making the claim. i know god doesn't evidently exist for the lack of evidence there is. it's not believe. it's knowledge. and the beauty is that knowlegde can be corrected by providing evidence for the claim that god exists but as previously stated it's highly unlikely that you have that, when people haven't delivered that since that entire god thing was made up.

we can clearly distinguish from the realms of fictionand knowlegde. god is in the realm of fiction. that doesn't mean it is impossible for god to exist. he's right there with unicorns and bigfoot and all sorts of fun concepts people came up with. but for any of that to be taken out of the box of fiction, you need something else. just believing without that something else is by definition not only superstition but delusion and saying god's real is lying. it is what it is man. i'm not here to forbid you to believe anyway. lie to yourself all you want. it's a free country. but when we're talking about truth, you're not getting away with that lie.

[genericname85]

i know i'm sounding harsh but it isn't meant that way. i'm just calling a lie what's a lie. because you not being convinced that what you're saying is not true doesn't mean it's not a lie. because saying something that isn't true is a lie.

[Anonymous]

It is a book designed to control the chaos of man with fear and brainwashing. It has no proof. It has been rewritten countless times so much so it contradicts itself. Fables and boring.

[Gold618]

Obviously not. I've actually read it, and there are errors galore, on virtually every single page.

[strateguy632]

2nd, in copying some errors got added.

Even Christian teachers say "don't teach no errors".

[strateguy632]

I can't believe people didn't pick 2nd, it has all the angles!

[EmmaMary]

It's all complete and utter fucking Bollox.

[Ladsin2]

No, it's not even internally consistent. Many argue that the spirit of the text is true and infallible, but fallible hands created it. That's progress of a kind at least.

[Dongie]

Do you understand what power it takes to speak everything into existence?

Well why would He not ensure the source of His word make it through the generations?

[Dongie]

Those who won't allow a reply to their stupid comment loses the argument instantly!!

[Dongie]

All those who reject Christ will have their part in the lake of fire.

It's going to be full of democrats!!

[Gwendoline]

The Catholic bible is anyhow. Plus maybe the book of Enoch.

[strateguy632]

I am picky, so I like that reformation trimmed off some books and i say didn't remove enough books.

[KostasKouvalis]

Not at all. Most of the Bible, especially the New Testament was written long after Jesus's death.

[strateguy632]

If long means 20 years than most books were long after jesus resurrection !

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah. Also, I don't know if you noticed, but on your username you spelled "Straight/Strait" wrong. Just wanted to let you know

[strateguy632]

Huh strategy doesn't have an "i"?

[nawtee_me]

Yes the Bible in the inspired word of God given to man. Reprints may have errors….

[DrPepper12]

Sure jan

[TheWombRaider]

69 percent of the people that said no have not even read the Bible so they are in equipped to comment on this question

[HaveNoName]

What is the difference between "word of God" and "inspired word of God"?

[John_And_Elijah]

If it's the KJV, then it's close to perfect.

[Staximus]

Gods don't write books, men do

[lowkanymous]

the authors were divinely inspired by the holy spirit, it's the word of god written through men

[Staximus]

@lowkanymous yeah that's what the delusional men who wrote the books told you

[lowkanymous]

actually i have never met any of the authors of the bible but that would be pretty cool! why do you think that man wrote the bible if they werent spreading gods word?

[Staximus]

@lowkanymous self righteousness

[RedInnocent69]

No, it doesn’t even claim to be. Unlike the Koran

[noohair]

It is hearsay. Translated hearsay...

[OfDeath]

Clearly not.

[Iron_Man]

Yes …

[BarryLiverstone]

Which Bible?