Why do Christians claim that arrogance is a sin when Jesus was arrogant?

[Anonymous]

This question isn't to attack Christianity, but rather to mark the hypocrisy in humanity.

I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" (Matthew 28:18).

"Whoever is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30).

"I am the Lord" (Isaiah 42:8).

If these are considered humble statements, then truth could NEVER qualify as arrogance, which means that if I were to make claims of being the greatest basketball player in the world, the best looking man in the world, and the best singer in the world, it could never qualify as arrogance if the statements turned out to be true. I bring this up because I always acknowledge certain truths about myself that make Christians super angry and bitter because they perceive it as arrogant, but it's okay for Jesus to make these wild claims.

[contentious]

If you are speaking truth, you're bound to be persecuted by others and that's fine. The problem you run into is that God was in the flesh, so anything you think makes you better than all other human is kind of foolish given that God has a human nature and you ain't got nothing on God. So if you think you are special and had to do so much more than everyone else when you couldn't even keep the law and God created everything... if you think you had to work harder than everyone else when when the Christ was a carpenter in the flesh doing manual labor... if you think you did greater feats than everyone else when did the Christ performed miracles... if you think oh poor me I had to suffer more than every other when you know how the Christ suffered... Clearly God has experienced all the intricacies of being human so that sort of hyperbole will fall on deaf ears.

[Asker]

Christ wasn't human, he was an angel. He just bleeds like a human. John the Baptist was human, and was verified by scripture to be greater than all people born from a woman's womb. So a human does have the ability to be greater than all others of his kind.

[contentious]

You sound retarded. Go read the bible again. Have someone help you. Jesus has a human nature and a divine nature.

[Asker]

He was an angel in human form, if that makes you feel better.

[contentious]

You being retarded has nothing to do with my feelings. You just don't understand Christianity.

[Asker]

Hell of a lot better than you do. Christ was an archangel who took human form. John the baptist was a fallen angel. Most humans today are nothing more than beasts of the field.

[contentious]

I get that you're a cultist... probably either Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witness, or some other retard but it's obvious you know nothing.

[Asker]

You're just indoctrinated by the dogmas of the church like most humans. I'm embarrassed to be part of this species.

[contentious]

I know, you worship Satan and hate humanity.. Nothing new from you cultists. You definitely sound like a Seventh Day Adventist... The crazy cultists that think Satan stands behind all other Christians and breaths on them for eternity deceiving them into thinking they are in heaven. Bunch of fucking weirdos.

[Asker]

I don't worship Satan. Satan loved humanity. It was Jesus Christ who favored the angels. You have things twisted.

[contentious]

Yeah you're definitely lost if you're pushing the Gnostic texts...

[BCRanger10]

I don't quite follow. Where is the arrogance in these statements of Jesus? And there is nothing arrogant in asserting your position. In fact, it can even be a practice of humility, likewise to pursue those accolades and recognitions which are rightly yours (I believe St. Thomas Aquinas said something along those lines, but I don't remember the exact reference).

What would be arrogant would be to claim that you need no instruction, correction, counsel, or guidance. And above all, that you do not need God or his grace.

[Asker]

If that's what you believe, then you're not very aware of our world and those who populate it. 90%+ humans classify FACT as ARROGANCE if it elevates you above others. Don't believe me, then state a fact about yourself that elevates you. You're not going to like the responses you get.

[BCRanger10]

People today in general want to be their own gods and don't like being under authority of any kind.

If a general takes control of an army, meaning he has been entrusted with and granted the authority to command, is he arrogant if he says "I am your commanding officer, obey my orders"?

[Asker]

Guarantee you that a large percentage of people would tell him to fu** off, and that he bleeds just like the rest of us.

[BCRanger10]

Who cares about the large percentage of people though? If he's over an army, what matter are those who aren't members?

[Asker]

Now if you're asking if, I myself, find that fact to be arrogant, then no.

[Asker]

You're talking about the people within that circle who have a passion for military, which constitutes for a small percentage of the general public who would never want to believe or hear that they have commanding officer they must obey. Why do you think people fight with police and government officials?

[Asker]

have a commanding*

[BCRanger10]

And I'd agree. Because it's objectively not arrogant to be entrusted with the rights and responsibilities of a given role and to act on and expect them.

[BCRanger10]

Everyone has to answer to someone. A police chief is expected to follow the orders given to him from city officials. Government officials are expected to do what they have been expected to do by those who put them in power.

[Asker]

My point is, that humans want to feel equal, and when they discover that equality doesn't exist because someone is always greater than someone, they'll just throw around the word "arrogant" for making factual claims that elevates you.

[BCRanger10]

I agree. And they are wrong to think so.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I don’t like the church either but even I know you’re taking those verses pretty massively out of context, ignoring the fact that almost all English translations are inherently unreliable.

[WhitneySnow]

Pride is a sin. Jesus isn’t sinfully proud of the fact that he’s the Son of God, he’s just making statements of fact.

[WhitneySnow]

Though a lot of modern evangelicals starting with Billy Graham have moderated some of those statements in the context of today’s pluralistic world. I don’t know the precise theology behind that, only that they have been interpreted so as not to exclude other non-Christian faiths while still allowing Christians to feel secure that Jesus is the Savior.

[Asker]

I dare you to make a statement of fact that elevates you above others without being accused of arrogance. I've tried it, makes people angry and bitter.

[WhitneySnow]

Christians don’t feel angry and bitter. Jesus is Lord. He’s entitled to make those statements and he didn’t feel sinfully proud while he says them. (Note that the Bible doesn’t completely forbid taking a quiet pride in your accomplishments, only overweening and unjustified pride.) Jesus came to save us and take care of us, and we feel comforted by that.

[Asker]

Lol, in which case, I'm John the Baptist and those born of a woman have never been greater than me (Matthew 11:11).

Does this make you angry?

[WhitneySnow]

No lol. It’s obviously not true, and I don’t think you really believe that, but it doesn’t make me angry.

[strateguy632]

No hypocrisy , because arrogant means boast and he was not boasting just teaching. Sources isaiah 2, 11 , psalms 75,4 , romans 1,30. proverbs said arrogant people mock , so turns out atheists, who agree arrogant is bad, and mock, are the arrogant hypocrits who say not to be arrogant but mock those "primitive brain washed delusional Religious people ".

[ChicoFromThe305]

Jesus did miracles to show he is the truth and the life, he lived perfect, died and resurrected proving to everyone, mostly at that time that witnessed it, that he was the son of God, I didn't not see where you struggle to understand the difference

[ChicoFromThe305]

Don't*

[beefcakebradybatson]

Not ONE PERCENT as arrogant as these wolves in sheep's clothing !!!