Why are Deists and Agnostics not more common?

[Deserter3]

Seems everyone is either religous (Christian mostly) or Atheist.

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kaneki your nonsense has been debunked

[Kaneki05]

Ah that's actually pretty simple to explain. We have psychologic want to understand or know something to say I don't know and just shrug it off is antithetical to us as the creatures we are.
It's the same reason we didn't just sit around and never figure out how things work.

[Deserter3]

Deists take a stance tho

[Kaneki05]

Hmm kinda. Still plenty of non-answers to how things happen and a vague it just happens that way cause, though you are right my point is more about agnostics.

[Deserter3]

But why so many atheists then?

[Kaneki05]

Atheists are the most invested in finding answers?
Think about it, a Christian will explain something as god/devil did it meanwhile an atheist will look into why it really happened like natural disasters finding the truth behind how things work than a story to explain it.

If anything atheist is the most aligned with our nature. But here's a reason why such religions outweigh that nature, religion creates more of a community, it feels better, humans are tribal creatures and religion is very tribal.

[Deserter3]

No they're not, most simply dismiss God and come up with no alternative theory

[Kaneki05]

Dude, we've come up with so many theories outside of god just others reject those ideas because well they don't get it or don't want to get it.
The main argument is the universe created it self. Which then if someone opposes that idea with how? Something must've created aka god...
But how did god create himself? And if he didn't and always was? Couldn't that be true for the universe that it always was?
The actual counter argument does not make a debunk but an actual approval of the idea but they reject that because they want to believe in god.

As Hawkings put forth what's the need or point in god if the universe created it self?

[Deserter3]

They reject it cause it's retarded and is contrary to everything we know about science

[Kaneki05]

Uh uh so Hawkings was a retard who knew nothing about science is that your grand theory.
Well if he is I don't know who ain't and I don't know what makes you think your so smart and well versed into it to comment?
Rationality has truly become zero with this statement so I'll just laugh and think what an odd fellow.

[Deserter3]

Whenever scientists debate these ideas with Theologians versed in science the scientists end up losing. You're unable to think for yorself. A universe creating itself violates the law of causality. You're essentially conceding to magic. A multiverse operating under separate laws is merely kicking the can down the road.

[Kaneki05]

Time and causality are not fundamental but emergent qualities of the universe, arising from the collective behavior of quantum particles, similar to how temperature emerges from atoms. So you are right it violates it because the universe is an evolving thing just like us and everything in it?

[Deserter3]

Emergent from what? If there was no time and no cause and effect than why is there something rather than nothing?

[Kaneki05]

Nothing in the universe is stable remember that.

[Deserter3]

That doesn't work, instability is a something, stability is not, why something rather than nothing?

[Kaneki05]

Think about it, if there was no need for time nor a cause then it don't need one to exist and just can.

[Kaneki05]

And if something can exist it will. So simple it's mindblowing.

[Deserter3]

Wrong, what prevents a balloon from floating is the lack of a balloon, you're conceding to magic

[Kaneki05]

Now your using logic from on earth item within our laws, and trying to literally compare that to before the universe even had those laws...
Fundamental misunderstanding of the entire point and the only reason you can it magic is because you are thinking about it like this

[Kaneki05]

call*

[Deserter3]

Define nonsense...

Also by your own logic God might exist, there were no laws before, right?

[Kaneki05]

Do you really think the laws of universe existed before our universe did? That's the real question?

[Kaneki05]

No because again no need for a god if our laws and universe exists anyway defeats the whole point of a creator.

[Deserter3]

Contradicting yourself. How do you know God didn't set it all into motion?

[Kaneki05]

Never have. You misunderstanding the idea is not me contradicting myself.
If the universe not restricted by our law can exist by it self then the idea of god been a need is silly. You could argue there is still someone who set us off but it would be more like an alien than god, cause it wouldn't be an entity that was needed for the universe to exist anyway.

[Kaneki05]

Also just had to 'Magic is just science we don't understand yet' with you making such comments

[Deserter3]

Uhh no you, you spouted literal nonsense by saying anything could happen because there was no time or causality (which is just a theory that there wasn't by the way) you called it earth logic, no, it's just logic. Even so it wouldn't explain why there's something rather than nothing or why there are now laws.

[Deserter3]

An alien rather than a God is you kicking the can down the road. Who or what set off the aliens and their universe? God perhaps? One less step than however many sequences of aliens who'd still require a first mover

[Deserter3]

Infinitely less steps, my bad.

[Kaneki05]

Yes it would because if something can it will. Which is a really hard concept for others but eh Hawkings understands that and many other smart scientists so I'll take their teachings before random dude on Gag no offence.
And yes it is literal earth logic, same way gravity isn't the same on virtual particles or in space?
If you don't understand how bad the analogy you used was that's your problem right there, don't compare to entirely different circumstances and maybe you'll see a bigger picture.

[Kaneki05]

If you also don't understand the fundamental difference between an alien and god I don't know what to tell you and there is no can down the road because the could exist anyway is the entire point they don't need something to be smh.

[strateguy632]

Because those 2 are blatantly stupid. You can’t be "certain" that "you can’t prove god". Maybe you can. Similarly a deist who believe a creator , but not for any purpose , why bother to create? That is obviously silly.

[Deserter3]

But you can be certain there is or isn't one? Who says a Deist God has no purpose? He just doesn't care about silly things like who you screw and punish you for eternity. Now that's stupid

[MemeSupreme]

i say im agnostic and atheist depending on my mood lol

literally i just dont care enough to figure out how i truly feel. i feel like a lot of people are the same

[OneViewpoint]

I guess indecisive noncommittal people aren't as common as you think.