A look at the Men's Rights Movement (MRM)

[Anonymous]

The roots of the modern Men’s Rights Movement, or MRM, dates back to the 1970s. The men’s liberation movement was a group of men who read feminist theory and critiqued the existing structure of masculinity. The group quickly split into two branches: The pro-feminist men’s movement and the MRM.

The MRM was a counter-movement to feminism: As women gained expanded rights and liberties, men felt threatened. They decided they needed an advocacy group to protect their rights and prevent women from oppressing them.

The MRM is largely anti-feminist and a number of mainstream MRM websites are classified as hate sites by the Southern Poverty Law Center alongside organizations like the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church.

The men’s rights movement of today focuses primarily on issues like divorce, fathers’ rights, false rape reporting, domestic violence and instances in which they feel women receive superior treatment compared men, including in education, reproductive rights, and health care. Here’s a quick breakdown on their opinions on these issues:

Divorce: Women are still eligible for child support payments and alimony, and according to MRAs, they receive too much of both. They say women overwhelmingly “win” divorces because of a radical feminist agenda.

Father’s rights: In divorces, MRAs allege women receive a disproportionate amount of custody and that fathers are prevented from seeing their kids as often as they’d like. Conversely, when an unplanned pregnancy occurs, men cannot legally force the woman to have an abortion or protect themselves from ever having to pay child support. Women who get pregnant may give the child up for adoption without the consent of the father in some states.

False rape reporting: Many MRAs believe women file false rape reports to punish men. (MRM site A Voice for Men has a page solely dedicated to“false rape culture.”) They estimate that up to half of all rape reports filed are false, and that women “cry rape” to get attention or to get back at someone. (In reality, a number of studies have shown rape has the same percentage of false reporting as any other crime–roughly 2-8 percent.) Online, MRAs are quick to bring up false reports any time someone talks about rape.

Domestic violence: MRAs say domestic violence against men is not taken seriously enough by law officials or judges. One site said courts arebeholden to the “Domestic Violence Industry.” The fact that most law officials and state court judges are also men tends to be left out of these discussions.

A large segment of the MRM believes in rigid gender roles, and they look down on men they consider effeminate or homosexual. Feminism and women’s liberation are part of a scheme to undermine men and masculinity and feminize male children. Overall, MRAs distrust women and their motives, and encourage others to do the same–or as they call it,“take the red pill.”

However, MRAs are far better known for simply campaigning against feminism (especially feminist in western countries), perceiving men to be the new oppressed underclass in modern society. Little to no attention is paid to issues like discrimination against trans men in everyday life, or against young black men in the legal system. Instead, a lot of high-profile men’s rights activities are just backlash against feminism’s ongoing struggle for equality between the sexes.

Thank you for reading. I know there are male and female MRA's on this site as well as equalitarians so I wouldn't be surprised by the backlash. :) Depending on the responses I will post another myTake on popular MRM websites or on infamous members from the movement.

[OlderAndWiser]

I have been practicing law for 30 years and have some experience with many of these issues. I practice in Florida and my comments are limited my experience with Florida law and Florida courts.

"Divorce: Women are still eligible for child support payments and alimony, and according to MRAs, they receive too much of both. They say women overwhelmingly “win” divorces because of a radical feminist agenda." Men are eligible for child support payments and alimony, also, but most husbands earn more than their wives so there are far fewer cases where men receive either.

"Father’s rights: In divorces, MRAs allege women receive a disproportionate amount of custody and that fathers are prevented from seeing their kids as often as they’d like." Unfortunately, most men don't want equal custody and visitation rights; they only want to minimize their child support obligation. Nonetheless, in the past 10 years, I have seen a dramatic increase in cases where the father has the children for 40-45% of the overnights during a year.

"Conversely, when an unplanned pregnancy occurs, men cannot legally force the woman to have an abortion or protect themselves from ever having to pay child support." This is true, but a consequence of biology, not prejudice. Men can protect themselves from getting women pregnant.

"Women who get pregnant may give the child up for adoption without the consent of the father in some states." That is not true in Florida if the identity of the father is known. Of course, some women lie and say they do not know who the father is. Again, a man can protect himself from this occurrence by not engaging in unprotected, casual sex.

"Domestic violence: MRAs say domestic violence against men is not taken seriously enough by law officials or judges. One site said courts are beholden to the “Domestic Violence Industry.” The fact that most law officials and state court judges are also men tends to be left out of these discussions."

In my locale, 9 of the 29 circuit court (roughly equivalent to superior court) judges are female.

[AidaRoma]

I've never been comfortable with groups. I think this a complicated social issue. It's not black and white, every situation is different.

In many ways modern feminism has hurt women.
Yet, it was a necessary movement as things needed to change for women culturally in the US. Sure men get the short end of the stick in divorce cases... but a friend of mine had to pay her husband alimony. Again, case by case.

I've been a drug counselor for years, and I've seen men get in trouble in domestic cases when it was the woman who engaged in violence, not the man. But this is rare.

Women, for the most part get paid less for the same job. Not everywhere... but this still exists in the US. I've seen men get away without getting in trouble in harassment cases because they held an important role at the workplace... and because many of these cases are hard to prove. I've seen women get laid off before a man at the workplace. Where both are fine employees.

It's hard to feel bad for the modern man, I still think it's a mans world. I think where you have more power, sometimes you get the stick, and sometimes you get the shaft.

And no, I'm not a feminist.

[myTake Owner]

I agree with this.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I think the important thing, which I'd like to point out, is that you can hold these views without being a feminist or labeled as one.

You can be an MRA who holds some of these views. You can be an egalitarian who can hold these views. You can just be a person, and hold these views.

What you call yourself isn't important. Calling yourself a feminist could mean one of a million different things anyways.

What's important is that you acknowledge the issues of society. Modern feminism is smashing into a brick wall that they don't have the tools to get over, and there's other groups and viewpoints that have those tools. They just need to work together.

[myTake Owner]

@SomeOtherGuy Once again I'm agreeing with you. I've seen your response throughout the myTake and you make great points.

[AidaRoma]

Agreed! It's varied. I think they need to work together. And have the understanding that not everything is so black and white.

[ObscuredBeyond]

I wouldn't be surprised that this exists. However, the "half of all reported rapes are false" thing gets so skewered for the same reason that rape reports on college campuses get so skewered: by defining it too fluidly.

Harassment, which is much more fluid than rape in definition to begin with, is what gets falsely reported more often. However, those wishing to "avenge" women over allegations of harassment and stalking are even less concerned with evidence or lack thereof before taking their vengeance against the alleged offender way too far than with a rape charge. This is because without a restraining order in place, it's near-impossible to prove that an actual crime took place at all.

What the modern mindset often enables, however, is one in which only the well-meaning men get hurt. Genuinely dangerous men are not affected at all by today's measures. An actual dangerous stalker doesn't care if you kick them out of college. An innocent man will be appalled at the injustice. But many colleges and workplaces have written policies that don't give a rat's behind if an innocent man got hurt. Unless he can successfully sue, the pain they inflict is "no big deal." A woman complained about him, so that apparently automatically justifies any horrific mistreatment inflicted on him.

Men have been driven to suicide because of this, with those driving them still refusing to show an ounce of penitence. In fact, they rejoice. The unrighteous are self-righteous about it.

This is why the MRM still needs to exist. Though, I find it sad that either the WRM or MRM needs to exist at all.

Women: If you decide you just can't stand a particular man who still thinks you're good friends, tell him respectfully that you don't feel that way, that you don't want any contact with him anymore, at all, and be kind but be firm. He will be angry, but will respect you. Treating him like he's a threat and getting a third-party vigilante involved is wrong. Period. If you think you're "not hurting him" by going through a third party, you're damned wrong. You're making it worse than ever. Third parties don't know where to draw the line.

[AidaRoma]

This may exist but not as much as you think. I've seen harassment in the workplace far too much. Not a thing was done to the man that harassed a co-worker of mine. She tried to handle it herself which is always a good way to start. When that didn't work, she complained, and nothing.

A hostile work environment still exists. However, it's improved due to potential law suits, and educational seminars provided by the employer to inform employees of their rights. And of course to protect the company. Keep in mind, harassment is defined by how any individual within earshot or present feels when something is said or done, even if not directed at them.

In my co-worker's situation, it was of a verbal sexual nature. He a manager, she an assistant.

[Jager66]

Divorce: They want shared parenting, visitation rights enforced and reasonable child care/ alimony payments instead of punitive ones that leave them near homeless, getting married should not be a legal way to rob someone of their life's work. They believe that men and women should have equal rights under the law and that the proven judicial bias against men is wrong and harmful to everyone, women included.

Fathers Rights: In custody disputes MRA's take issue with the fact that men right to access their children is not enforced, they are fine with women having custody especially if she has been the primary care giver. They want default shared parenting as it's best for all parties involved especially for the welfare of the children. They also want the same reproductive rights as women, the right to choose to be a parent. They have no position at all on abortion and make no argument for or against anything to do with women and abortions.

False Rape: It is a real crime that destroys lives! There are many stats out about this and some of them show as much as 50% of rape reports being false or as little as 2% of them being false. It is a very hard subject to get accurate information on. This does not Stop Feminists from manipulation the statistics and spinning the truth to push their narrative. This is a statistical explanation of the Feminist lie based on the Feminist Enliven Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hCUh6ZIchU

Domestic Violence: The gender of a judge has nothing to do with the laws of the land or how they are enforced, this is HORRIBLE false logic, exactly what you can expect from Feminists. In reality domestic violence is not a gender issue as it happens to both genders with parity, Feminists would have you believe it is primarily something men do to women. The Feminist law V. A. W. A. based on the Duluth model is a travesty of justice and human rights, millions of DV victims are treated as perpetrators and left out in the cold while the abusers are given special treatment and treated as victims.

MRA's are a VERY diverse group of individuals from all races, sexual orientations, religions and political beliefs. Most MRA's have great respect for women but because they are critical of Feminism Feminists spin lies and hate about the MRM in order to maintain their control of the gender debate narrative.

out of room...

[Grisbosque]

what a classic hit piece!
surely will be sucked up by the unthinking knee jerks, and superficial others of our local corner of society.

you have to do the homework to get both sides of the issues.

but instead, most will spout what ever has been inserted in their silly noggins..

Personally, I appreciate the MRA's but their effectiveness is limited by the gynocentric bias of society.

who will win the war in the long run, will be the MGTOWs, because they are opting out of an already declining society, just as the herbivore men in Japan are doing, and causing a massive decline in the birth rate.

this at root is caused by ever increasing expectations on the part of foot tapping, arms crossed females who think the world owes them a living because of anotomy.

everything has limits, what men will take, carrying capacity of the planet,
and the incompetence of leadership etc.

we are approaching a perfect storm situation.

personally I think it would be nice if everybody woke up to the truth and we all got along etc.

but thats not going to happen any time soon.

so I will say to the better quality women who are humble and decent, and feel something is dreadfully wrong in their hearts, that they had better quit believing in the system, and get with a decent guy that they can cooperate well with in harsh conditions.

guys who have survival value, and skill sets, and ethics etc.

and the women who agreed with this post, forget it, we men dont want you. period.

just enjoy your deck chair on the Titanic, and chatter about how horrible men are, and of course they can't possibly have any valid issues, because the universe is about us women!

let me know how it works out for you.

PS; those melting temps at the north pole in December and the rain in Greenland, are the first proof that climate change is going exponential. what that means in guy talk, is the world as you know it will cease to exist in ten years or so... starting with food supply, and also sea level rise at an ever increasing rate, with 80% of humanity living within 5 meters of sea level.

and one in seven on the planet already going hungry, and desertification already accelerating...

ain't going to be about money and endless vanities girls, it is going to be about survival, and your perfumed office executives, rich lawyers, etc. aren't going to be worth much.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I agreed with parts of what you said. But then you'd switch to radicalizing your enemies. And then painting your cause as gold.
It started to feel very propaganda. Which is unfortunate because you had one or two good points.

Then you started going off about doomsday apocalypse, "2012 the Movie", itsallgonnaend escapade and you completely lost me.

I can only assume you prescribe to fear based tactics.

I will say this. I follow feminism, but I do not have misgivings about it. There are radical sides of feminism, and there are some shit-brained bad ideas and awful feminists I've had to deal with. There are ideologies of feminism that are conflicting.

But that doesn't mean feminism or the "MRM" category is all bad ideas. Both have very valid arguments and ideas for creating a better, inclusive, healthy society. But the loudest are too busy bickering over one another.

[Grisbosque]

@SomeOtherGuy
I have been follong climate change issues for about 25 years, and am not talking out my aft end.

try searching desertification on you tube.
this is not a hollywood movie, this is something already affecting us all.

I follow AVFM, search that and read their recent article about the SPLC, the guy who wrote the article is a long term family friend of top admin of SPLC. people.

or search: girlwriteswhat (you tube) and watch just one of Karen's videos. they are used in universities now to teach courses.

also I went through divorce court about 30 years ago, and went through the MGTOW evolution alone in the jungle with no internet. now you can learn all the phases online in minutes. its not something some dudes dreamed up in the 70's reading feminist drivel, its a process that happens naturally to every guy who goes through child custody issues.

women are alienating their best allies for whats coming. and denial does not create a durable reality.

[Grisbosque]

and I was there in the '70's when modern feminism began, in Eugene Oregon where the counter culture started (seach Ken Kesey and the magic bus) and I got to watch the women start their "womens groups" on a commune, and how they would bad vibe you if you (man) came around the house by accident while they sat together in the yard ragging about men. and I heard them say this or that guy needs to go to mens group, months later I got invited to mens group, at Noti Tavern, I sat there with the guys for 45 minutes drinking a beer waiting for the meeting to start. finally Bob pipes up; "bet the women think we are here ragging each other," that was the entire meeting, everybody just rolled their eyes and sipped contentedly.

and the women insisted on the mens group, now there are real mens groups dealing with real issues, and all they can do is rag about that too.

"first they bad mouth you, then they violently oppose you, and then you win. "
(Ghandi)

[SomeOtherGuy]

Well, I can give you this. Your reply is a lot more moderate and sensical than I was expecting. You seem level headed and make some good points.

Climate change is real. But I'm pretty sure we'll still be on this planet during my generation. As long as we continue to lessen the effects and work on reversing the problems.

As for feminism vs mens groups, well, there's a lot of social problems. Feminism has been shattered and splintered a lot in the last two generations. It's hard to make heads or tails of it, and you run into a lot of toxicity in both groups despite both having valid arguments. It's a rough go.

[Anpu23]

I will ask you to state sources on a few of your claims such as:
"Little to no attention is paid to issues like discrimination against trans men in everyday life, or against young black men in the legal system."
"Little to no attention is paid to issues like discrimination against trans men in everyday life, or against young black men in the legal system."
I refer you to "The Honey Badgers" who are LGBT friendly and especially Karen Straughan a bisexual woman who is arguably one of the best known speakers for the MRM.
https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat
www.youtube.com/channel/UC595wqznMGuY2mi6DKx-qnQ
Another big issue, and one of my pet peeves is the lack of ability of male rape victims to disavow a child of of an unwanted sexual act. As this is one of the hottest contested arguments between the MRA movement and Feminist I am surprised you skipped it. Also another issue that the MRA is addressing is this dialog of gender issues itself. Somehow the feminist movement has usurped the dialog and stated that they are the ONLY voice for gender equality, labeling MRA as hate groups so they can safely dismiss them.
What I find interesting is the lack of open debate, MRA's have invited noumorous feminist groups to open debates, and their is a profound lack of acceptance from feminism. Further many feminists refuse to allow open discussion on their YouTube channels, Twitter, etc. by turning off the comments section or blocking decenters (sure trolls can and should be blocked, but a person with a different viewpoint and valid arguments does not a troll make). Another interesting thing that I find is the fact that feminism does not seem to be able to look at itself critically, therefore any outside group that questions the validity of the movement is immediately suspect.

[Dandeus]

"The men’s rights movement of today focuses primarily on issues like divorce, fathers’ rights, false rape reporting, domestic violence and instances in which they feel women receive superior treatment compared men, including in education, reproductive rights, and health care."

It does no such thing. I've never seen a self-proclaimed MRA offer any kind of meaningful solution for any of these problems. They exclusively cite these issues (which are actually legitimate issues that nobody does anything about) to fuel attacks against feminist gains.

You will NEVER see a red-piller having a discussion about any of these issues that doesn't ultimately wind up with them blaming women for all of their problems. This, of course, ignores the reality that many of their problems stem from the traditional gender roles that men like them fight so hard to enforce.

Your later points are entirely accurate regarding rigid gender roles, which exposes them as dishonest in their claims of advocating for rights for men. They only advocate for men that adhere to their own narrow viewpoint while belittling anyone who falls outside of their conservative social norms.

[myTake Owner]

Heh heh, thank you for your response. I've never seen an MRA provide any meaningful solution either but I put it as a way to show what they are supposed to stand for.

[AidaRoma]

I think your spot on!

[Dandeus]

Downvoted by four MRAs with no rebuttal.

[TimeSplitters123]

Same with feminists

[chuppachup]

"mainstream MRM websites are classified as hate sites by the Southern Poverty Law Center alongside organizations like the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church."

This is a false equivalence. Have you actually visited the Voice For Men website? It's not hateful, as far as I can tell. Just talks about anti-feminism and men's rights. If you're talking about PUA websites then you are talking about a completely different group of people with a different set of goals and beliefs. The only thing similar between MRAs and PUAS is the general anti-feminism, that's not to say they are all anti-feminist.

"Many MRAs believe women file false rape reports to punish men." - Why else would a woman (or anyone for that matter) file a false rape claim? Answer me that. What do you "believe" people file false rape claims for? Does it even matter?

"In reality, a number of studies have shown rape has the same percentage of false reporting as any other crime–roughly 2-8 percent."

First of all, rape is a very hard crime to prove, and also the vast majority of rapes aren't even reported so these studies are based off of unreliable statistics. Another thing, the FBI definition of rape may influence the numbers in some way, but I'm not sure about that.

Second, 2-8% of *reported* rape claims have been *proven* in court to be false, that's true. But also keep in mind that 2% (According to RAINN) of *reported* rapes claims are *proven* in court to be true (Largely due to the difficulty of proving rape). So, that means that around 90-96% of reported rape claims have been unproven (neither true OR false.).

So, by your logic, since only 2% of claims have been proven true, should we really be so worried about rape, since statistically it's more likely that a claim is false?

[chuppachup]

"The fact that most law officials and state court judges are also men tends to be left out of these discussions." - Why does that matter?

"A large segment of the MRM believes in rigid gender roles, and they look down on men they consider effeminate or homosexual. Feminism and women’s liberation are part of a scheme to undermine men and masculinity and feminize male children. Overall, MRAs distrust women and their motives, and encourage others to do the same–or as they call it,“take the red pill.”" - Again, you are talking about different people. TRP, PUAs and MRMs are in the "manosphere" but they're not the same people.

"perceiving men to be the new oppressed underclass in modern society." - No, in my opinion, I think they recognise that men AND women are disadvantaged (definitely not oppressed in western society) in their own ways in society.

[chuppachup]

"against young black men in the legal system." - They don't ONLY focus on anti feminism, they also focus on legitimate men's rights issues. The sentencing gap, for example. Black people are sentenced at a disproportionate rate to other races, especially black men. So, they do care about issues that face all men.

Furthermore, they'd be able to get more done and be able to have the same power and influence as feminism if feminism didn't get in the way all of the time (hence the general anti-feminism). Feminists consistently interrupt lectures, seminars and events whenever MRAs are around. Also, keep in mind that the MRM is relatively younger, less funded and more hated than feminism. Ironically, all thanks to feminists.

[Dandeus]

"First of all, rape is a very hard crime to prove, and also the vast majority of rapes aren't even reported so these studies are based off of unreliable statistics."

The statistics are monumentally reliable. They come from an enormous comprehensive survey the DOJ does on a routine basis to study crime rates and crime reporting behavior.

[TheSpartan]

The SPLC is a joke, anyways.

[chuppachup]

@Dandeus Yeah, they only study the reported cases of rape, and of those rapes, only the proven cases, I assume. Only 1/3rd of rapes and 2% of those rapes can be worked with. And rape definitions are flimsy, so that affects things.

How do you do a reliable and comprehensive study on something that can be barely studied.

[chuppachup]

I'd be interested in seeing this study. Do you have a link to it?

[Dandeus]

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245

They know from statistical analysis. For more than 40 years, the DOJ has run a massive comprehensive and anonymous violent crime survey. They speak to people and go through a detailed questionnaire that asks if they've been the victim of various types of crimes like rape, assault, or theft. Part of the study covers whether the crime was reported, as well as why or why not the report was made.

The sample size is massive and rigorously selected, so the reporting rates are very accurate. By knowing A) how many rapes are reported every year (a number tracked by the FBI), and B) the rate of reporting for rapes, you can extrapolate the number of total rapes.

[chuppachup]

@Dandeus When you said comprehensive study I wasn't expecting a survey. I'll take a more thorough look at it later but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

Surveys can be greatly affected by what may seem like small things, like what the question was, how the question was asked (tone of voice, body language), how the question was worded. And of course there is things like how rape and sexual harassment is defined, by the interviewer/interviewee/the questionnare itself.

Also, this is just going from the interviewee's words. There is no evidence involved in the un-reported cases and no investigations. This is why I was at least expecting a study on reported and proven rape cases, but even then that's a drop in the ocean.

[hellionthesage]

You represented this poorly. Where is the data? If you make a claim that some one is speaking falsly then you must be able to prove that, you didn't. As for the false rape statistics, its unprovable. It can be shown that it is far more common then we like to pretend by examples such as the duke lacross players and the UVA rape case where their was a false allegation of rape, the men accused had their lives destroyed despite all evidence showing them to be innocent and then afterwards when they legally proved it the women who made the accusations where not brought to justice and in public perception those men where still viewed as guilty. Many feminist righters stated that we as a people needed to believe the "victim" in the UVA case (not the innocent men accused but the woman who lied about being raped) and always should believe the woman because of the chance that at some point the woman will tell the truth. This of course ignored the fact that these mens lives where destroyed along side their reputations and they where the victims thus showing that we really don't regard the lives of men as being all that important in comparison to a womans as they where so ready to damn them instead of relying on evidence. Use statistics, use evidence to make an argument instead of falsly representing the group. Also stating that they are viewed as a hate group doesn't mean that they are, Martin luther king jr was arrested multiple times, does that mean he was a criminal? Only in the eyes of a public that did not wish to hear what he had to say. Again evidence and proof are what matter not insults, false representation or opinoins.

[myTake Owner]

Like I said. Depending on the responses I'll write another myTake listing some of some of the websites. After that I'll most likely list MRAs who've committed violent acts or harassment against women but are still hailed as hero's in the MRM movement. I'll be uploading it in a couple of days.

[hellionthesage]

First and foremost listing people who have done wrong while claiming they are mra does not prove anything (this has been done many time where a person was falsly associated with a group to discredit said group, its a common tactic, and also an illogical one as it does not confront the issue being presented, essentially being an ad homined attack) same goes with listing web sites. Unless the web site is confirmed to be an mra website (like a voice for men) then it is not viable evidence. However I was reffering to statistics, where do you present statistics (from a nonbias and reliable source) that disprove their claims? For instance I can say that statisticly 80% of all alimony/child support is paid for by men. But that claim is meaningles if I can't back it up with a non-bias source (prefferably several) like these: dalrock.wordpress.com/.../
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longbeachchildcustodyattorney.com/.../
(you'll also notice they site sources and provide links to sources which is prefferable)

[myTake Owner]

So in short you don't actually want to see proof because it will shine a bad light on the group.

[hellionthesage]

Not at all. If it shines a bad light on the group or not is irrelevant. Facts are rellevent, truth is what matters. What you are doing is claiming a vague association of non related things in an attempt to discredit. You provide no evidence to back your claims, and you out right stated you would list people who might make the group look bad, which again is irrelevant to the argument made. Thats like me saying that feminism is evil because Valerie Solanas shot andy warhol and tried to shoot others and also wrote a book urging women to drag men out into the streets and castrate and kill them. It is one person amongst many and is illogical to suggest guilt by association.

[myTake Owner]

Yet that is what is going on when I see users post anti-feminism myTakes. Also I have seen MRA's bring up Valerie Solanas. Still working on the followup by the way. You're free to read it if you want.

[hellionthesage]

and it is illogical. Now, if you can show that the majority of femnist or the majority of the feminist representatives are terrible people or in this case MRA then you can make an argument but one incident that may or may not be related is not enough. Now I can give you plenty of examples of feminist, their own quotes, that do show that the majority of the second wave feminist are sexist, by their own words. This would be a point to argue but again that is not the entire argument only a single point. Same goes with MRA if you can show that many of the MRA representatives that means Paul elam Dr. Warren Farrell etc are by their actions (not others claims) or their own words (direct quotes not taken out of context) are sexist and or lying about their agenda then you have an argument but again it is only one point out of many. And to clarify I am against feminist, they have not provided any evidence for their claims, but I also disagree with MRAs.

[Anonymous]

Women are breadwinners in over 40% of marriages, yet men pay 97% of alimony. There is enough evidence that mothers are MUCH worse parents than fathers, and that kids are way better off with the dads. Yet fathers are demonized, along with the male sex in all disputes with females. This oppression becomes especially severe when divorce cases are handled, and even pre-nups are thrown out of court if women start crying. Fathers who want to see their kids are unable to how often they want to... otherwise they'll be trouble by the feminazi legal system. Half of all rape reports that REACH COURT are false, but the vast majority of rape cases are bogus in terms of claimed and reported to the police. Women have all sorts of laws which they can twist to get men imprisoned, not just this one. Up to 70% of domestic violence is committed by women, yet the vast majority of those convicted for this are men (85% iirc) and less than 1% of DV shelters accept men.

You're just another holocaust denier. Men are severely oppressed and women are now a danger to men. The entire western civilization endangers men and treats us as second class citizens, both officially and unofficially.

[Opinion Owner]

But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Cookies_AndMilk]

Well said.

[TimeSplitters123]

Well bloody said very true your comment will be reported and removed be some loser feminazi and you be warned not to voice your opinion in the future. What about the fact that men are treat more harshly by the courts then women they get longer sentences for the same crime

[Opinion Owner]

Like I said, what I wrote is JUST the tip of the iceberg. You are also right about feminazis suppressing any voice that goes against their agendas and wants equality for men.

[SomeOtherGuy]

But have you ever sat and thought that maybe it isn't just radical feminists and women, but perhaps a lot of old, traditional men and women too?
That it's not an issue with women, but society itself, ran by both men and women?

[Opinion Owner]

traditional? LOL I don't think you have any idea about what that means... What you mean is BRAINWASHED FEMINIST.

And yes, many men are brainwashed feminists.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Traiditonal = Brainwashed Feminist?
I thought traditional society was counter-productive to feminism.

I know it's counter-productive to MRAs. People who crave the old culture also hate MRAs. They also hate feminists.

A lot of stereotypes are still being perpetuated by people who prescribe to the desire to "Go back to the way things were." Such as men aren't allowed to talk about being raped, get a divorce, or speak up about being hit by a woman and must instead keep their women in line.

I would prefer to see those things eradicated. From my perspective, Traditional is the same as a desire for the Old Culture of the early 1900s.

[Opinion Owner]

No, she just has no idea what traditional means.

The culture of the 1900s? lol. This is just how it's ALWAYS BEEN!!! All over the world... In the 1900s traditions had already started being degraded. Wife beating was no longer condoned, burning/stoning/death of women had stopped, they were being allowed to work in small amounts, very few had even started being allowed to own property... although this was only in the west.

However, things were still quite in their place till the 1950s. But ever since then there's been a STEEP decline, and now men have been driven into oppression. Can you believe the manspreading law? For fucks sake. With all the evidence, we're pretty darn close to the non-western world in terms of discrimination based on sex.

[Mekkalyn]

These are two main issues that I think really need to be resolved:

"Divorce: Women are still eligible for child support payments and alimony, and according to MRAs, they receive too much of both. They say women overwhelmingly “win” divorces because of a radical feminist agenda.

Father’s rights: In divorces, MRAs allege women receive a disproportionate amount of custody and that fathers are prevented from seeing their kids as often as they’d like. Conversely, when an unplanned pregnancy occurs, men cannot legally force the woman to have an abortion or protect themselves from ever having to pay child support. Women who get pregnant may give the child up for adoption without the consent of the father in some states."

Those are the biggest problems I feel that men face. Especially father's rights. And if they want to keep a baby they can't force the woman to carry it and hand it over... but if a man doesn't want a baby she can carry it to term and then demand child support. Talk about unequal...

And honestly, I don't even see how women are not equal to men... sometimes I feel like it's the hardest to be a white male, in particular.

[Confusedinthisarea]

The fact that you are expecting backlash from egalitarians says a lot considering we're looking for gender equality. All of those are legitimate issues which you failed to discuss and simply wrote off by referencing stereotypes as fact. I'd also like you to make more of a point on how legal discrimination against African Americans and trans people gets "little to no attention." Considering the sheer volume of media traffic devoted to those issues.
As to your comment "In reality, a number of studies have shown rape has the same percentage of false reporting as any other crime–roughly 2-8 percent." firstly, by a number, you mean one. Secondly, that one investigation has been proven false, and was so in April of last year. www.nationalreview.com/.../how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine
I don't have time to do a line-by-line of your arguments, and some of your points do have merit but you cannot simply deny the legitimacy of the points made by MRAs and introduce stereotypes as arguments against them (ad hominim).

[Confusedinthisarea]

*ad hominem

[myTake Owner]

Expected it and received it. I wasn't guessing it's GAG equalitarian user nature.

[Confusedinthisarea]

My point there actually was to point out that you went in making this myTake in full awareness that you were providing a biased argument that didn't take both sides into account.

[myTake Owner]

Oh really? Well if believing that makes you feel better than continue on believing it.

[AdamThomas]

The one part I disagree with is the part where you say that most MRAs believe in gender roles, that's not true. They're egalitarians, most hate traditionalists just as much as feminists because they think that expectations of traditional masculinity are unfair and oppressive. They expect women to be equal, to pay their own way, to split everything 50/50 and they hate chivalry because they see it as male subservience to women.

People get mixed up a lot when they start talking about men in the manosphere and calling them all MRAs. The manosphere is a large group of anti-feminist men, but their reasons are different and there's a lot of conflict - they aren't all MRAs. Traditionalists don't like the way MRAs whine like feminists about how oppressed they are and try to argue over who is the bigger victim of everything because they see that as weak. Then you have MGTOW who avoid women altogether, most having had bad experienced with women through bad divorces, being refused to see their kids, being in relationships with abusive women etc. They become bitter and want nothing to do with women. They usually don't like how MRAs let women into the MRM, and they don't like traditionalists either because they don't hate women like MGTOW do and emphasise the importance of marriage and family, which MGTOW see as too risky for men nowadays. So basically not all anti-feminist men or men in the manosphere are MRAs.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I find this rather insightful. There is some interesting information about the manosphere here.

I don't like anti-feminist groups though. Feminism as a whole isn't morally wrong. It's an ideology and a movement. It's too complex to be moral or immoral. What's the point of being anti-anything if that thing isn't causing you or someone else harm?

[Anonymous]

I have witnessed false rape accusation first hand. Multiple girls and women in my life have cried rape. Lately they have been getting more frequent. The loose use of the term rape is getting out of hand. A girl dated a younger boy at my school and they decided to become intimate with each other on multiple occasions. After which she told me and few other friends. The a year later he broke up with her for unknown reasons and then she claimed that he "raped" her when at the time of intimacy she fully consented and she through threats of falsely reporting him got him to change schools. After that one incident eventually a lot more girls black mailed boys who they had a grudge against. I don't care about the MRM's agenda , but I do care about the lack of actually teaching boys something. How about someone teach boys to be equal instead of shoving ones own beliefs down our throat like the MRM or the fake feminist who don't want equality , but a new social ladder where men are the new stepping stones.

[SomeOtherGuy]

I can agree. I would be tempted to start a social movement if I wasn't sure I'd just botch it.

One of the biggest issues with rape culture is that it's all about the rapist, not the victim.
If we focused on helping the victim and helping them rehabilitate into society, instead of just prosecuting and punishing the rapist and moving on, then society would have a lot of problems solved.

The problem is that people immediately go into a schadenfreude, revenge-fuck mode and completely ignore the fact that someone was raped to instead focus on someone did the raping.

[lePoivre]

There is a light to every shadow. I agree that domestic violence where the man is the victim tends to be treated more lightly because there's that cultural expectation that men should be able to defend themselves better. As for the states that let a woman put a child up for adoption without the father's consent, I believe that should be revised. There was a news story a little while back about a man who was a great father and loved his kid, but his girlfriend decided to put it up for adoption. The father was devistated and heartbroken, but as far as I know, he didn't have any legal rights to get his child back. I think that's a little messed up because the father was in his child's life, providing for it adequately, and he took care of it as any good parent would. I'm not entirely sure how the law would best be amended, but I feel it should change to prevent cases like those.
The rest of what you discussed, though, does sound like a hate group.

[myTake Owner]

Thank you for posting and I agree.

[Anonymous]

The modern Feminist movement is a self inflicted mental illness like "progressivism" itself. There is no easy cure until the artificial support structures (layers of protective government bias) are no longer in place. Tax and spend government is the culprit and when someone else's money runs out, the whole con game will crumble and men will resume their historic roles. I see that in this century, maybe in 30 years or less. In the mean time, men, take their easy sexuality if you must, but identify if you have an infected feminist and do not marry, impregnate or let them raise children. Black women will be as bad as whites because of their education is deeply infected with an entitlement mentality and predominant government and not-for-profit employment. The best choices are foreign born Hispanic and "Oriental" women who have healthy cultures despite terrible governments. When you get them here, gravitate to their cultural groups and keep them out of the mainstream as much as possible. The Orientals will learn English but you need some Spanish for the Hispanics. If you are a racial purist, you are out of luck, so indulge yourselves and get vasectomies. For you taking the plunge, forget about all the luxury pastimes and focus on large families to replenish the nation. Sure. Americans will get browned but they will be 'real' Americans.

[QuestionMan]

You barely glimpsed over domestic violence.
There are significantly more cases of men being abused than women but are less reported since they feel that they will not be taken seriously by the law and they feel emasculated. There are far less places for men to seek help when they're in a bad situation. If a man were to leave his abusing wife with his child he could be charged with kidnapping and have no shelter to go to unlike women do.

There are no rape centers for homosexual men, and their rape claims aren't taken seriously.

MRAs aren't trying to take women's rights away. They're trying to get access to the same help that women get.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Quick question to start this off. Are you anti-feminist?

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy I'm an egalitarian therefore I oppose any favouritism to any group.

[SomeOtherGuy]

That's fair.
So how do you decide favouritism, and where do you draw the line. Egalitarians are interesting in that they always state an ideal approach to society (equal treatment and consideration for all), but I do not hear them talk about a mainframe they'd like to see to make that happen. Nor do I hear of them stepping in and taking action to see that happen.
Do you feel you are not like that?

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy
Favouritism - the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another.
Egalitarians are there once an extreme practice like affirmative action has served its purpose to put an end to it. At times extreme measures are necessary for social change to occur but once equality has been achieved for those who are disadvantaged these measures become a means of elevating their status to a point where they have more privileges than others.

[SomeOtherGuy]

But you yourself have highlighted a gap in equality between men and women within a certain area of society.
As an egalitarian, shouldn't you be fighting for that gap to be closed?

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy Egalitarianism is not a radical movement like feminism or gay rights. It is there to regulate these movements so that they don't go too far. Radicals are needed to push an agenda to the public view but moderates are there to stop it from getting out of hand.

[SomeOtherGuy]

This is actually one of my biggest beefs with Egalitarians. They want to be slacktivists. They care about the issues, but they have no desire to partake in the labor that will make society better.

You want to be a supervisor or police without the qualification or authority to do so.
No one takes Egalitarianism seriously for this very reason.

You say you're for equal rights. But you don't stand for anything. You don't really believe in equal rights. You hide behind an ideology without working towards that ideology.

It just comes off apathetic and dishonest.

[SomeOtherGuy]

You certainly don't have to mirror radicalism.

But there's something so morally reprehensible about shouting that you believe everyone should be equal and we should all get along, then when someone highlights an obvious skew in society you step back and say "Naw dog, that ain't my problem."

[myTake Owner]

@SomeOtherGuy I couldn't agree with you more. I view the egalitarian ideology as a safety net for some people in order to avoid being attacked for supporting a particular group.

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy Don't get me wrong I'll stand up for other people's rights. The reason I'm an egalitarian is because being just a feminist or a male rights activist makes a person care only about one issue which is why they are often very radical about it. I stand with all people not just one group that I favour.

[hellionthesage]

Their is no rape centers for men period which according to data, we needed rape centers for men period since the data shows men are almost as likely to be raped by women as women are to be raped by men. https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

[QuestionMan]

@hellionthesage Thanks for backing me up :)
Damn that article was dark

[SomeOtherGuy]

I dunno if he was backing you up.

A rape center for men, boys and juveniles would certainly be beneficial to society, and is a good idea. Again, it's something that you as an Egalitarians should fight for, but probably won't because "You don't want to take sides."

You have a side if you're Egalitarian. The side of equal consideration for all groups of people. When there is a large discrepancy between the consideration afforded to one group over another in an area, as an Egalitarian you should take up that cause to close that gap.

However, what you're suggesting is no cause is worth fighting for. You aren't an Egalitiarian, you're simply apathetic.

[SomeOtherGuy]

As an Egalitarian you are a feminist, and a civil rights leader, a traidtionalist, and a men's rights activist. You pick the areas of each and highlight the points where a true gap in rights and considerations are occurring.
You close those gaps. Egalitarian is the ability to disassociate yourself with the radical and the extreme and determine the real areas where human rights are not being afforded.

You can't claim you are for the equal treatment of all human beings and then turn around and ignore everyone's claims and say things are perfect as they are.

Again, you are not Egalitarian, you are apathetic.

@hellionthesage Is right that there needs to be a treatment and help center for male victims of rape and abuse. If you felt someone was opposed to this idea, would you sit back or would you actually fight to have these centers opened?

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy "As an Egalitarian you are a feminist, and a civil rights leader, a traditionalist, and a men's rights activist. You pick the areas of each and highlight the points where a true gap in rights and considerations are occurring.
You close those gaps."

Well then why are we arguing over this. I agree. The difference between an egalitarian and all of these groups is that an egalitarian moves from one movement to the next while a feminist or a men's rights activist remains firm in their conviction that their issue is the most important.

On this site alone, I've stood up for men, women, Muslims, Jews and fought against neo-nazis and feminazis. So what's your beef with with me?

I may not be as fanatical as a member of one of these groups but I still fight for equality nonetheless.

Your problem with me is that I do not show as much zeal as a member of these groups and you use it as an excuse to bash me.

[SomeOtherGuy]

If that's what makes an Egalitarian an Egalitarian than hey, I'm an Egalitarian.
But also all those other things.

So we agree.

i'll be fair. I should have decided to concede when you said you were willing to stand up for others. But your first couple rebuttals were that Egalitirians only serve as police officers, referees, or supervisors, but you never mentioned that Egalitarians should still be supporting and fighting for the issues of inequality.
Since I see a lot of Egalitarians do this, I immediately recognized it as a problem area of Egalitarian thinkers. It comes off haughty, self-appointing, and apathetic.
Are you aware that there are people vehemently opposed to Egalitarians? That they actually have posted on this myTake?

It's not about the level of zeal, but the lack of any sense to fight that bugs me. Since you've stated you do fight, and evidence supports that, I'll admit I should have backed off sooner instead of push my frustrations.

[QuestionMan]

@SomeOtherGuy I'll admit there are egalitarians that don't do shit and are just bystanders but I'm not one of them. I fight against bs all the time no matter it's source. The reason I refuse to be a feminist or a mra or whatever is because each movement only focuses on it's own issue. Eventually they start inventing issues to fight over like how feminists turn into femininazis and gay rights activists become anti-religious bigots. Egalitarians help push these movements along but back out when it becomes radical and act as a police officer to prevent the radicalization from spreading.

A certain level of fanaticism is required to be a part of a movement. Personally I prefer to fight injustice in my area rather than go all the way to the Supreme Court since I don't have that zeal. This is where the fanatical elements are needed to push it into public view.

[GoodDogNigel]

The divorce, father's rights, and domestic violence points are pretty dang valid... you also didn't provide any sort of contrary evidence to these issues, (and in fact helped argue for their point of view in the father's rights area by mentioning the adoption laws).

Also, "The fact that most law officials and state court judges are also men" doesn't matter when men who are victims of domestic abuse either don't seek help out of embarrassment or are told to "nut up".

I don't really like all these MRM guys and find them quite annoying most of the time, but they do have some valid points on issues that are problems in our society.

[Dandeus]

" victims of domestic abuse either don't seek help out of embarrassment or are told to "nut up"."

That shaming comes mostly from other men. You can include MRAs in that group of shamers too.

[GoodDogNigel]

@Dandeus You could, yeah. I'm just saying that there's a problem with domestic violence towards men in society.

[Dandeus]

I don't dispute that women commit domestic violence. I dispute the claim that MRAs are trying to do something about it. The only reason they talk about it is to rile up hate for feminists. They despise male victims of domestic violence for not asserting dominance over their female abusers and think they deserve what they get. There's no help or sanctuary for male victims with that group, only mockery and shame.

The only "right" they're concerned about losing is their perceived right to oppress women.

[GoodDogNigel]

@Dandeus As I said, I don't particularly like these guys and I made no claim that they're helping other than that they're right that there is an issue with domestic violence towards men.

[AleDeEurope]

Holy shit, what cran did I just read? XD what are you, a feminazi that's threatened by MRAs and have to write negative propaganda? XD
And I'm not even an MRA sympathizer, but damn, this is hilariously stupid hahaha

Seriously, why does GAG promote this shit? It's like quality isn't taken into consideration anymore, what a shame :(

[myTake Owner]

Not surprised by this response. Another threatened users.

[AleDeEurope]

Threatened? Like I said, I don't support the MRA, and I've always expressed my support to women's equality to men, anyone that has been a while in this site knows that. But I won't support crappy Takes that have no purpose but to bash a group of people. You're basically just a female version of the people in the MRA, and what's sad is that you don't see that. And you're totally against what real feminism stands for, so you're the one causing more damage here than the MRA.

I'm not surprised you can't accept the truth.

[Anonymous]

Being a police by profession and anonymous here I can point out that half of the rape reports being false is highly conservative. I'd estimate it to 80-90%. Honestly when you run across an alleged rape victim where there is no real evidence it is a mental struggle. You know it probably isn't at all as she tells it, but on the offchance it is you do not want to make her feel worse.
There aren't many that seem to do it to punish men though, so these guys are all wrong there. The most common case I run across is cheating/sleeping with someone against your parents/cultures expectations coupled with guilt and wanting to get away from it.

Obviously it is far from enjoyable being accused of rape for anyone. The accusation alone likely ruins your life.

I feel what the MRM should really swap to is Drunk people. There is NOTHING worse than drunk girls. Violent, crazy and scary people those.

[jacquesvol]

Of course, we have to take your our anonymous word for that. Sure.

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol You don't. Consider it made up if you like. That really does not bother me.
If however you are looking at law enforcement as a profession, do heed my warning about drunk girls. Guys out of control generally calm down when you tell them to. Girls jump and try to claw your eyes out. Naturally this only applies to the cases where we get called in, not people in general.

[jacquesvol]

I quote: "Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI)."
Source: FBI quoted by Stanford university: web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297

[jacquesvol]

"On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (www.rainn.org/.../reporting-rates)" (same source as above)

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol Your problem with that is that you do not determine them to be false at all. They are drawn back and never acted upon. Very few prosecutors want to act on a rape case if it isn't clear cut.

Now when people pull back their accusations or the report is deemed insufficient to act on (which is almost every case) it is not considered false. That is the problem with the statistics you're pulling. You are referring to the cases where the accusing party basically confesses in a court of law that "Yep. I lied.". Not often the case. Be more critical.

[jacquesvol]

rainn.org/.../frequency-of-sexual-assault
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[jacquesvol]

Every 107 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted.

Here's the math. According to the U. S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)--there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.

There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds.
rainn.org/.../frequency-of-sexual-assault

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol The purpose of this being? You're throwing statistics of no bearing at all to the question at me. Awful statistics I will agree but they do not in any way refute or support either of us. If at all they hint towards my statements being more true.

You can lead your crusades all you want. I shared some inside info. If it isn't pleasing to you that is your issue and not mine.

[ArtDent]

They define assault down in order to increase the incidence stat.

[FakeName123]

What exactly is the point of this MyTake? All I read through it is your own bias. If you want to help people get some insight of the opposite movement of feminism, why not give it a fair shot? Instead at every paragraph you write you make your bias very clear and how you look down at it.

No, I am not an MRA and disagree with many things of them, but people like you are the reason why they exist - because no one really listens to valid problems they raise. Or generally, no one really listened to the problems that men face for a long time since the only ones who were supposed to have problems were women.

[SomeOtherGuy]

That's a valid, logical argument.
I've been saying a bit of the same thing.
And yes, parts of the writers bias definitely showed through on this.

I've ventured into the MRA spots. Various spots on Reddit and the MGTOW forum. I was immediately turned off by the woman bashing and the hatred for homosexual men (sometimes stated right in their rules) I encountered and turned around, ashamed that they had valid arguments to bring up, but were horribly exclusive.
One of the worst I saw was "Return of Kings."
The MGTOWs are slightly more moderate, but there's a fair share of hijackers in there. It's a bit like lesbian separatists of the Feminist movement, and I hate that part of feminism.

Still waiting on a decent group to take up the fight for male consideration so that both sexes can live their life healthy, happy, the way they want to.

[myTake Owner]

People like me? Exactly what makes you think I'm against fair divorces, fathers rights (case by case), false rape, and domestic violence? If the majority of them actually focused on finding a solution for these I would have no issue. From what I've seen around GAG and the MRM forums and websites is that it's just used as an attack point against feminism. Kind of like my wound is bigger then yours. In short they're to focused trying to tear down feminism instead of working on their own issues.

[SomeOtherGuy]

^^^Truth.

That's largely what I've been saying.

[hellionthesage]

@SomeOtherGuy Red pills and MGTOW are not the same as MRA's, similar agendas but they are different. Yes many are angry at women, though if you actually bother to hear their arguments its understandable. Return of king is a pick up artist web site and is filled with good information, along with a lot of bad and out right stupid comments. However all of this is due to a backlash at the general mistreatment of men found in western society and as such should be acknowledged for that. Its angry and at many times illogical but it is a direct result of the mistreatment of men. For the record I dislike return of king because they essentially are what they hate, they think that men are being used and as such believe they should use women. They claim how horrible it is that women are sluts then immediatley talk about how to find sluts, its idiotic really. But again some times you need to look at the unpleasent because it does have some truth in it, if your willing to look for it.

[FakeName123]

@hellionthesage

Correct. All those MRA movements - no matter if red pill, MGTOW or whatever - are pretty much reactionary, because no one paid attention to boys and mens issues for a long time.

While they are often solely reactionary - they still raise several valid points which are often downplayed or overshadowed by the criticism for those groups. Something which the MyTake owner didn't help - and instead would probably have done better splitting the part in what those groups aims are and then raise in a different paragraph valid critcism as a foundation for them to be taken more serious.

Additionally there are a lot more criticisms towards those groups - but that would take way too long.

[SomeOtherGuy]

If you read my replies, I am not against consideration for men.

I am against women bashing and blaming women. Trust me, it's an equal part men's fault for perpetuating misandrist viewpoints. I hate the whole victim mentality and anti-feminism behind it all too. It just too reactionary.

Also Return of Kings is garbage. It excels at being homophobic, misandrist, and misogynstic all at once and nothing more. Whatever valid argument you saw made there was probably lifted from a less insidious website. You can be assured that whatever argument they bring up will be twisted into a tightly coiled pile by the time it goes out the other end of that site.
You're better off getting arguments from a benign source.

Misandry is bad. But misogyny isn't better.
Most the arguments I've heard against women on these sites always come off more as an attempt to shed blame or responsibility, or to direct it solely at women, instead of a society comprised of both sexes holding false stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

They just want something to whine about, I have known a bunch of outspoken MRAs I in real life and three have been arrested for sexual assault, domestic abuse or both. One very vocal MRA who I made the mistake of being friends with, was actually found with a collection of violent child pornography of little girls and is incarcerated now. I am disgusted with myself for having socialized with these people. I used to try and convince myself that maybe it was a valid movement and maybe I should hear them out. But I now know that MRAs are basically just man-children that think "waaa! I want to hurt women but I don't want to be held accountable for my actions like an adult!!!"

[TimeSplitters123]

What about women children, like all of your generation

[NatashaJ]

Even though you are part of her generation and you're going to shit on women but not the men of your generation cry me a river.

[Opinion Owner]

@NatashaJ he's a pot calling the kettle black...

[madanharsher]

Anecdotes ain't evidence