Why I don't believe in equality (Page 2)

[Anonymous]

"No matter how hard one tries to rationalise it, a cripple will never be of as much worth to a functioning society than a working member."

really now? There are many handicapped people who are still perfectly useful human beings. Some of the best computer programmers I've seen are handicapped

[FakeName123]

The exceptions doesn't make a general statement wrong. Read what I wrote to Helionthesage in the comment section.

[Not-Exactly]

I agree with general idea of your points , specially the opportunities and results point.
Yes as an individual you should be aiming for the Utopian community, but not by blinding your self from what is the whole community really is and to what depth it is descenting from forcing this ideas on it while "hoping" for the best.

[jacquesvol]

People should have equal rights and equal opportunities, whether you like it or not. :)

[FakeName123]

People do have equal rights already in all western countries. Only reproductive rights aren't equal (for a reason).

Equal opportunities are bullocks as it is impossible to achieve and to force upon people. You have the equal opportunity of having the freedom of achieving whatever you want to. No one prevents a black/homosexual/woman/etc to become rich, powerful, educated and so on, but if these people want to achieve that, they will have to work hard for it. Tough life.

[jacquesvol]

Ok, you don't get the job because you're white with freckles because I'm the boss and don't like white people with freckles. Possibly my customers don't like them either. And I don't want to lose customers because I hied you.
No job for you. :D

[FakeName123]

So? If you don't want to hire me as your potential best subject on your own subjective bias - then that is a loss for your company. If I am skilled enough, there are plenty of other places for me where I get hired.

[Beautybynature]

I don't agree with marriage equality. If you accept gay marriage than don't discriminate when a person wants to marry their toaster

[LiveFreeorDieHard]

But why should people like you and me care if a guy wants to marry their toaster. Let them do what makes them happy, you just worry on making yourself happy or whatever.

[Adraido]

Exactly, let them marry cereal for all I care. Who am I to judge or define marriage?

[FakeName123]

Marriage equality is a topic I didn't focus on as I have an entirely different view on it altogether which probably would have enough space for a standalone MyTake.

[Kirah]

@Beautybynature That's not even remotely the same thing.

Two adults can marry because they both have a legal standing. For that reason, people cannot marry animals or children. Stop bringing this argument up.

[asiag299]

@Kirah So essentially a 21 year old woman could marry her dad then right?

[Kirah]

@asiag299 no, because that would be incest, and it has been proven that offspring conceived by incest are much more likely to have severe genetic defects.

[asiag299]

@Kirah What if they decide not to have children?

[Kirah]

@asiag299 the problem is, that's impossible to enforce.

[Song4TheBroken]

You're such a dumb little bitch, aren't you? Like, I'm curious to find out how you actually managed to become so ignorant.

[Dtegesd123]

lets not encourage those crazies marrying kitchen appliances. i do somewhat understand those Japanese men who marry a Japanese sex doll

[asiag299]

@Kirah It is if one party is sterile :)

[FakeName123]

@asiag299

Not sure if you are messing around with weird humour or just mentally fucked up. Haha

[asiag299]

lmao @FakeName123 I'm not messed up lol I'm just interested in her responses I would never do it nor would I encourage it although I do know some people actually do participate in incest. I enjoyed your myTake by the way :)

[SilenRose]

@asiag299 I don't agree with incest but I always do see that argument pop up, "What if they don't have kids". I've always hated that because it's like they agree to incest up to a point. Incest is unnatural. Biologically we are programmed not to be attracted to family members.

[asiag299]

@SilenRose lol I don't agree with it and I personally think there is an imbalance or something but hey people do what they want any dang way so I couldn't care less. :) I don't agree with it I'm just saying that's what most people incest relationships say so why not use that as a way to drive in their point of view. I mean essentially if nothing comes out of union can you really get mad at them. It's not hurting anybody and they aren't killing people.

[asiag299]

@SilenRose Also someone in an incest relationship could also say that being gay is unnatural as you can't produce that way. :)

[swedish91]

Homosexuals didn't choose to be homosexuals, evolution has chosen them to still be a part of our community. When did you descide to become straight? There's a reason why the genes of homosexuality are not exstinct, the homosexuals provided a lot of benefits for the whole community during evolution, million years ago. To say that homosexuality is unnatural, think again.

[Azara]

who are you to say when a world fails. you've only been here for a speck of time.

[Anonymous]

If people were actually honest about being racist, then we wouldn't need affirmative action. Before 1963, I could flat out tell you that I'm not going to hire you because you're not white. With civil rights and affirmative action, most racist business owners had to find a another way to discriminate without it costing them and they did. Just keep silent about it and don't hire them or use the "black" and "white" sounding name tactic to keep blacks out.

[Song4TheBroken]

Do you truly think that any of your points are valid? Like really? I dare you to reply to me and I'll shut down every single one of your 'arguments' (they're all either strawmen or just incorrect).

[R3d_Anonymous]

"The smart kid could be socially stunted." Raises hand! Yep, that's definitely been a huge challenge for me that I'm continuing to struggle with greatly.

I agree with your myTake overally. Very realistic and authentic.

[R3d_Anonymous]

*overall

[R3d_Anonymous]

I love your last two points, especially.

[mexborough]

ok, so you base your stuff on an 18th century understanding of humanity... and then you say men ad women are equal but don't deserve to be equal.. Also anicent Romen never embrace equality, what fucing history books do you read? loololol...

[mexborough]

you also have a naive view of equality. no egalitarian ever says everything must be equal. only in basic terms of living standards, legal rights. all else is up for grabs, since you're right the world is an unfair place. if person A is good looking and well-educated, person B is ugly and dim, both should still have same legal rights.

[FakeName123]

1. Thinking humanities biology changed within 2-3 centuries is the epitome of arrogance. Evolution and mother nature doesn't change that fast. 200-300 years are a dog-fart in the grand scheme of things.

2. Nowhere did I say that men or women are equal. They are equally important with their own natural strengths. That doesn't mean they are equal though.

3. I did not say in Ancient rome people were equal. What I said was "The desire to make the life better for everyone else in a society has happened in wealthy societies all over the past.".
This refers to all kinds of welfare, affirmative actions, additional rights, etc.

4. Living standards being equal is impossible and utopic. You reap what you sow. To make it simple: A hardworking person should be rewarded over the lazy one.

5. People have equal rights in all western nations except for reproduction rights, so the point is irrelevant.

[mexborough]

ancient Rome never believed in universal
welfare. read a history book..

[mexborough]

also we have no idea how Paleolithic humans lived socially. you are using pseudoscience to rationalise your beliefs hahaha

[FakeName123]

Welfare back then isn't comparable to welfare today. Because I am too lazy to search for scientific papers wikipedia has to deal with it.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism

Food subsidies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_Annonae

"Under the grain law of Gaius Gracchus in 123 BC, a portion of the grain collected as revenue for the state was sold at a subsidised rate to citizens. The grain supply was a consistent plank in the popularist platform for political leaders who appealed to the plebs."

-> What the political leaders are doing nowadays.

[mexborough]

loolol... no. just to forestall riot. people were to keep to their place... and it's common sense to give people stuff to do this. we don't do that now, but the exact opposite. but then i only responded since you have many flaws in your post. you mention reproductive rights... well yeah, since men can have chilren and abortions...

[FakeName123]

"just to forestall riot. people were to keep to their place... and it's common sense to give people stuff to do this"

How exactly is this different to today? You think politicans, lawmakers and generally people in positions of power are suddenly all philanthropists? Well, I have some bad news for you.

Also neither did I say the reproduction rights as they are right now are justified or not. I just mentioned that it is the only case where there are not equal rights - because *drumroll* men and women are different. So you probably should stop reading things into my words which I never said.

[mexborough]

yes, they do. because bck then people were supoed to know their place, now that's not the case. again read a history book, fool hahahaha..

[Tdieseler]

Bravo... I think you encompassed every thought I've had on the subject and more... you should have taken a few jabs at feminism, you know, for kicks.

[gotc147]

Dude... You should run for President... You are the biggest breath of fresh air I've seen in a LONG time.

[ChocEyes]

Interesting. But these are more like moral statements than scientific evidences.

[FakeName123]

Of course - but in the end there is no absolute scientific argument for or agaisnt equality, so it all comes down to views on the matter.

[Drednaught]

Are you conflating equality with other ideologies? When I think of equality it's not whatever I see you presenting.

[FakeName123]

Then you shouldn't put out assumptations about me, but rather explain your view on equality for a proper discussion. What equality means to you doesn't necessarily mean the same to me or to others.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, for whatever reason, nature didn't create us equally. Nature could have created us equal, she didn't.

Like all other ages, the age of equality will pass. We are taught it's true, but critical thinkers realize it's not. Most people are just sheep, so they believe what they are taught.

[GreatnessPersonified]

"10. Life isn't fair. Everyone has their own baggage to carry."

Actually it is. You get out of it what you put in. You do nothing, you get nothing.

[Cookies_AndMilk]

Interesting take, I like this.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

I am impressed, I would expect people to be losing their minds here telling you off but its the exact opposite, praise all around, well said.

[TheAngryBanana]

you have a diffrent opinion? how dare you !!! * sarcastic tone*

but really nice take, had some nice thinking points on it : )

[Anonymous]

I am impressed with your insight - I could guess your IQ at 130+. Please do keep posting here. Thanks!

[Omar5881]

They r not equal that's for sure but they have equal rights

[FakeName123]

In all western nations we have equal rights already aside from the argument about reproduction rights. Thus I don't see the issue.