It's OK to Hate People Who Are As Perceived Bad People

[Anonymous]

Today, I was on Facebook and one of my very anti-Obama friends posted a link to an acticle (Here is the link.) Obviously, they stuck mostly to the facts until the end. I don't know if it was just me reading too much into it, but that last line felt heavy with malace.

"Obama will probably be put on heartburn medication and told to stay away from various foods. Clearly, the president is NOT the invincible God that he thinks he is!"

If your best friend or a good co-worker kept shunting aside trips to the doctor and suffered though the pain, but was taken to the hospital quite suddenly, you would roll your eyes lovingly and sneak him some pretty unhealthy foods, not mock him behind his back. The difference is you like your friend. You know, it's almost as if we proved a point as a poor, stressed-out man was taken to the hospital.

I am by no means President Obama's biggest fan, nor do I wish that someone would manage to slip by the Secret Service. Along with my friend's post were these words: I have the same reaction everytime I hear his name.

It annoys me to no end that we can't be considerate of other people. My mother taught me never to speak ill of anyone. President Obama is a person! No matter what he's done wrong, he is a human being and he inhertatly deserves enough respect that we wouldn't mock his illness, but we would hope he gets better. He has a family! How many of you had perfect fathers? How many of you still loved your fathers even if he messed up? I know I still love my dad even if sometimes he'd come home super late half drunk. His girls probably log onto social media every day only to be heartbroken that people are still mocking their father, still talking about him as if he were no more than a horse. (I'll have you know, every horse I've known was treated more fairly than our current president.) It breaks my heart to think of their faces when he was taken to the hospital.

This myTake wasn't very long, but it tells you clearly and plainly how I feel and where I think our country's shortcomings are. I want to incite change. Why can't we have opinions and be nice? The two are not exclusive. It just takes a big of common sense to know when one is apropriate.

I know this is incredibley "hippi" of me, but I feel strongly about it so I'm going to say something. People can be nice and have opinions.

[madhatters4]

great take. i think you are absolutely right. i personally disagreed with the majority of George W. political decisions but i don't hate bush or wish anything bad on him.

I think a general problem that exists even on personal levels is that people often seem unable separate political beliefs or leanings from personal beliefs. so if they disagree with a person's political beliefs they then presume that person is unlike them in all aspects of life.

[Deft_maiden]

if you repeat the same lie over and over the majority began to prespective it to be true.
It's simple psychology. One that politicians and donor class have known and used to manipulate masses.

[MimTcgraw]

You can fool some people sometimes... But you can't fool all the people all the time!

[OlderAndWiser]

I think the problem with this particular subject is that many people perceive him as being motivated by a hate of this country. That constitutes trampling on sacred ground for many folks.

[legalboxers]

This is how is it and why it is.

people perceive him to be bad because certain news outlets and politicians
(One term President - B*tch McConnell), and those who have the mindset of
he dont look like me, he dont think like me, and he dont have my best interest)

Whats we fail to realize is this. unemployment is low, gas prices are at the levels when Bill Clinton was around, and he is doing what he can without being (pardon my French) COCK BLOCKED by some people who have a penchant to stop him from doing good or what he can.

He was thought to be "MUSLIM" by someone who is inciting riots at his events, he wants to close the borders to Muslims and Mexicans with a wall.

We go to Mexico for Spring Break and honeymoons and vacation, we spend our money there, we buy their beer (Corona) and drink Tequila there. And all the wannabe amateurs celebrate Cino De Mayo by drinking, and THEY aren't EVEN MEXICAN!

So we choose someone who wants more hate in this world, and choose someone who is attempting to make peace.

[Righttobeararms83]

Nothing wrong with regulating the boarder.

[legalboxers]

@Righttobeararms83 Ok. Who will mow your lawn in the summer? not your kids, not you, because you will be instgramming and facebooking. PLEASE!

[legalboxers]

go back to sniffing the Faux News glue.

[Righttobeararms83]

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That sounds like Democrat kids. I do my own lawn and home maintenance.

[legalboxers]

@Righttobeararms83 *golf clap* you want a cookie since you came up with that by yourself or another glass of koolaid? #trumpsupporter

[legalboxers]

@Righttobeararms83 *golf clap*

[Tromba]

I agree but it's kind of ironic to choose Obama as an example. He himself regards those who oppose him as evil or stupid, contemptible in any case. In his own words when their simple material needs aren't met, "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations". They are like cows who haven't been milked or cranky children whose parents didn't send them to bed in a timely manner. That's some monumental condescension right there. I don't hate him but the hatred for him seems to be very karmic.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Let's not confuse hate and anger. Nor should we confuse personal hatred with the office of the state to punish evil. Individual vs. state resonsibilities, and where to draw the lines on each, have been the bane of human civilization's debates for millennia.

I pity Obama, more than anything. But I also know that if all is fair and just, he must answer for his crimes. All several thousand of them. That is not to say that there aren't dozens of others in government right now who have not also committed treason, sedition, kidnapping, murder, cronyism, or a slew of other high crimes. These too, should be made accountable.

[UncagedAgent]

I'm a born and raised Republican, however I can't hate Obama. My parents, Karate Instructors, and CAP Sergeants all taught me to respect everyone regardless of what I though of them, as long as they didn't do anything to lose it.

People hate on Obama because he didn't do this or passed that, but at the end of the day he is a Democratic President with a Republican Congress. He can't pass Dem bills by the Congress and he won't pass Rep bills from Congress. It's a lose lose for both.

His track record aside, he is still the President so I, as an American, can't justify hating him.

[Raven1990]

what your mother has taught you is true. i think one of the biggest evil nowadays that people overall overlook is talking ill of another person. I'm not saying that just because once Pope Francis included gossip in that list of 10 nowdays sins.
he may do lots of mistakes but he is still a human being and for sure his family members must be suffering for him, and it's not nice to mock what/who other people suffer for.

[Righttobeararms83]

Pope Francis should be more concerned with the sin of silence especially when kids are being raped and because he has that he is the head of the world's largest paedophile cult. Thats why the UN had to tell the Vatican to stop his organisation from obstructing justice.

[Raven1990]

@Righttobeararms83
yes, "sin of silence" you meant omission towards an evil happening
but the catholic church is not pedophile cult, you are mistaken about that. there were cases of abuse, yes, unfortunately. but that happens in all fields of society. but when it happens in the church, the media tries to highlight. By the way, there were several cases of pedophilia by UN members at mission in Africa too, but the media does not highlight that...

[Righttobeararms83]

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If only one priest out of five hundred is a kiddy fiddler how many preists worldwide are pedophiles? Does that not equal the worlds largest paedophile ring enjoying opportunity secrecy and legal protection every peado would kill for?

[Raven1990]

@Righttobeararms83 you must have something against the Church... you are being too biased. so what if only one of 500 men at a school, at a non-profit organization who takes care of children, at UN, etc is a pedophile? isn't it an opportunity every peado would want for?

[Righttobeararms83]

Its institutionalised in the church. Just look at the orphanages and women's work houses.

[girlie222]

Hate is a strong word and usually is a momentary feeling for me, like if I get in an argument with someone. I find that hating someone only hurts me, not them and they aren't worth it so I just forget about them and that hurts them the worst... just blocking them out of your mind and life.

[NedfromtheNed]

To bad good intentions have done a shit job with these "thugs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCsFhpr7jv4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y_JIT7r55w

[Winesteed]

I am very much of the belief that every person, regardless of whether or not you agree with them, should be afforded basic human rights and courtesies. In my opinion, President Obama is not a complete and total shitlord deserving of the shade he gets thrown. By the same token, I don't think George W. Bush was a complete shitlord that deserved the shade he got, either. You can disagree with people and not be hateful.

[WhiteSteve]

Not for nothing, but my life is no better or worse than it was before Obama's presidency. I'd say the same about George W, Bill Clinton, George Bush the First, Reagan, etc. I still have yet to feel any sort of impact on my life due to any of them, so it's kind of pointless to hate anyone. Politicians have never really significantly affected my life for better or worse, it makes me wonder why everyone else gets so riled up.

[MimTcgraw]

You mean to tell me NAFTA the TPP or Obamacare doesn't affect at least someone close to you?

[MimTcgraw]

Or even Reagans war on drugs has wasted tax money to fill our prisons and take away from education

[WhiteSteve]

@MimTcgraw I haven't really felt any change in my life, no. One thing I don't let affect me is taxes. It's pointless. They're going to jack money from you for one thing or another. I take it as a cost of doing business. Thinking about where it goes will only upset me.

[MimTcgraw]

I guess that's true about Obamacare. the government will tax rape us one way or another either way. But the TPP might have a huge impact on American made goods and make people unemployed for starters... we shall see

[SakuraChii]

Sometimes I do feel bad for people even if they did do 'wrong' things. I know what it's like to be judged and having to balance a horrid life at the same time so I try not to do it to others. But we're human and people are always going to hate or gang up on others even if it's off of assumptions.

[Chief16]

Doesn't matter if you're the son of God himself. Haters gonna hate. Period.

[Righttobeararms83]

Well he's not the son of God maybe some other guy according to a friend lol

[Jersey2]

He probably has GERD or just plain old acid reflux like lots of guys in their 50s with high stress jobs... it is very common. I am surprised though given that he spends so much time playing golf and goofing off. It sold out Americans which is why you have Trump and Sanders. I could really care less about him one way or the other as the damage is already done.

[Anonymous]

I don't think that taking a friend a few big macs after a heart attack is a good thing.
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[QuestionMan]

I may not agree with what he has done as a president but he is still a good person at heart. I cannot hate the man since I know he believes he is doing what he believes is best.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Hitler also believed that what he was doing was right. Or at the very least, excusable.

[QuestionMan]

@ObscuredBeyond Really comparing Obama to Hitler?
Obama loves America and he has never spread hatred towards any group.
He may not share my views on how to run the economy but he's trying the best he can to do what he thinks is right. Can't be easy with a Republican Congress.

[Intraluminal]

@ObscuredBeyond
The second someone makes the inevitable Hitler comment (unless there are 100,000 plus bodies laying around) they lose all credibility. Even those aspects of their arguments that have an element of truth lose all credibility.

[ObscuredBeyond]

What? How do you love a nation and say you want to "fundamentally" transform it at the same time? And why have there been more insane shooters under him than under Clinton, Reagan, and both Bushes combined? The GOP Congress has been handing everything to him and the Global Banksters on a silver platter... for YEARS! This isn't 1991, dude!

[QuestionMan]

@ObscuredBeyond He much like Bernie Sanders wants America to be more like Europe. Except I think Obama was leaning closer to making America like Canada. Why? Because he sees something he likes and wants it in the US. Is it a good idea? No, the US cannot transform into something it's not.

As for the shootings that's all on mental illness. I don't get why him and the Democrats keep yelling "gun control". Yes there are certain loopholes that need to be closed but it's not the main issue. Even if you close those loopholes some wackjob will still shoot up a school. Why? Because he's crazy and America doesn't want to deal with mental health issues.

[Mybeachlife88]

When talking about "gun control" and blaming mental illness as a scapegoat is getting old. The problem is that any idiot can go out and get a gun very very easily except in a few states such as New Jersey. And even then, if you know where to go you can get one illegally in about an hour or so. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I agree, but we can't control people as much as we would like to. All we can do is control the guns.

Think of it as heroin. We can't stop people from going and buying it... but we can try to eliminate it by getting it off the streets. It's not the best comparison, but you see where I'm going with it. And as I'm writing this... I want you to know that I'm a fan of guns. I believe Americans have the right to own guns... but there really is no reason to own automatic AR's. Uzis. Etc. You shouldn't be able to walk into a McDonald's or your favorite groceries store with a big ass gun wrapped around you body as if you're in the military.

[Mybeachlife88]

I don't live in Texas and places that allow people to own and carry guns around like that... but I will tell you one thing that goes through my head when I see these guys. My FIRST thoughts are... WHAT A TOTAL DUECHBAG!!! These guys are so into their guns and equipment, that it's almost a hobby for them. They spend so much money and invest so much time into this shit that I personally would say it's a mental illness. We were all cowboys and Indians when we were little... and it was fun to play paintball... but there's absolutely no need for these DUECHBAG to walk around with high powered guns as they are out and about... even if it's for a protest against gun laws. That being said, I have no problem with guns in your house. You should be able to purchase handguns, shotguns, and hunting rifles... as long as they are for home protection, kept out of site, and the person buying them has gone through psychological evaluations. These evaluations should also be given ongoing.

[QuestionMan]

@Mybeachlife88 I agree you don't need a machine gun or a sub machine gun on you. A pistol would do just fine. In Canada we have massive restrictions so I guess I'm a bit biased since I want less restrictions. In the US the way I see it, you can have any gun you want at home but on your person unless you're at a military base or hunting should only be a pistol.

[Ruby355]

@Mybeachlife88 a lot of people do open carry for attention, but the number of people who conceal carry is staggering. Honestly someone willing to go through the hassle to legally carry a firearm, IS NOT the person to worry about. It is a HUGE responsibility, and never something to be taken lightly, which those people generally do not.

[Ruby355]

I would have to disagree. Following his actions of the past seven years, he truly hates everything this country has ever stood for, and done nothing but divide us as citizens, while taking more power for the federal government. I'm sorry, but what kind of US president get his picture taken in front of a giant sign of che guevara?

[QuestionMan]

@Ruby355 Obama much like Sanders wants America to be more like Europe. He sees what he likes and tried to implement it in the US. In his view it's what's best for the country. There are a lot of people that agree with him. European style governing is becoming more popular in the US. The problem that these people don't see however is that America isn't Europe. There's a completely different culture, economy, political system and society. I personally think these things make America great while others just see problems in need of fixing. America has problems but it needs it's own solutions, it can't just copy paste the European model.

As for Che. There's a ton of idiots who wear t-shirts with his face on them. Obama stood in front of the building in a sign of respect to Cuba. He's trying to do what he can to appeal to the Cubans so that their government begins to change. It will change but only if America is friendly and accommodating.

[Righttobeararms83]

wasn't Che very anti Homsexual? America is the greatest country in the world taken from a native European living the American dream.

[QuestionMan]

@Righttobeararms83 Che hated a lot of people, he was a brutal murderer.
However the Cuban government sees him as a hero of the revolution. Obama is being delicate by not calling them out on it since he wants to normalize relations. It's give and take and since America has been sanctioning Cuba for a while, Obama has to appease Cuba first before they can begin to change.

[Righttobeararms83]

My gay friend was shocked when I told him about Che having gays dragged through the streets. Last time I saw him on that t-shirt

[QuestionMan]

@Righttobeararms83 It's a good thing you told him.
Che may have a pretty face but wearing a t-shirt with his face on it is the same as supporting everything he did. I hate it that there are these hipsters that wear t-shirts with his face on them without knowing that most of them would probably have been executed by him.

[Electronica]

Well since we're talking about Che being a piece of shit. Gandhi was also a sexist racist and Lincoln was a white supremacist. I love killing peoples idols.

[zagor]

I can't believe the hate that has been directed at him. I sure don't agree with everything he does, but the vitriol that has come his way is really disturbing. A lot of fucked-up losers in this country.

[Anonymous]

obama is a very good president remember he got us out from recession and by the way compare him to george bush who wasted so much money on war and de stablising the middle east the only problem with obama is he is black and a democrat which makes it harder for him to pass laws

[Moose2coolvargas]

You shouldn't really be that way to a person. Sure, nerves and emotions happen, but each day is a new beginning, it's like a reset button. You do yourself a disservice by allowing events from yesterday affect today

[Dred1614]

You don't need to write a take about something so obvious. It's more than fine to hate a bad person. I don't hate Obama, and as some of you may know, I am nowhere near a fan of his politics, but he's still POTUS.

[Electronica]

I agree to an extent. People like Trump's mouth should be cut off, but take Lindsey Graham for example, his politics are typical neo-conservative scummery, but I think he's a fucking hilarious probably cool guy politics aside.