Racism Goes Both Ways

[legs_n_sheets]

And ALL ways, for that matter...

I've been arguing a lot lately, mostly with black people here on GaG, that racism goes both ways. I had a (seemingly black) guy agreeing with me which was very refreshing to see, but I also had my fair share of people telling me its whites that are mostly racist against black people.

Now, this take is by no means a way to discriminate any other ethnicity/race, but since mostly, and specially considering the dreaded Black Lives Matter Movement, it's generally a black vs. white kind of thing going strong in America's society now. So I thought of emphasizing this.

Every time this subject comes out, there's ALWAYS one black person claiming that white people oppress black people, and most of them seem to believe that black people simply cannot be racist towards white people at all.

Every time the word racism comes afloat it seems all they start thinking about is slavery back in history, and how they are still "enslaved". When this happens, I usually have handy my official FBI stats, which are the following, in case anyone's interested on keeping them:

For 20 to 24-year-olds, the murder rate among blacks (109.4/100,000) is 17 times higher than the rate for whites (6.4/100,000). Among 15 to 19-year-olds, it is over 20 times higher. The average for all ages is 13 times higher.

Speaking on black-on-white crime, it is substantially greater than the reverse. Blacks kill as often as whites, although blacks represent only 13% of the population. Note also that black-on-white murder is more than double the rate of white-on-black murder (409 to 189).

Of the 509 officers feloniously killed in the past 10 years, 46 percent of the perpetrators were black, despite their representing only 13 percent of the population.

Consult the stats directly from the website here.

Now, what is the point of sharing this?

Well, it invalidates the common arguments that Black Lives Matters followers usually use. On top of it, it's important to mention that 72% of black kids are raised in single parent household.

Now, how is that white oppression? No one is forcing black people to have children and no one is forcing black parents to leave the households.

Every time you mention these things, though, you're labeled as a racist and you'll have a lot of ramblings about how racism has always existed and still exists. And then you'll have some who claim these stats are manipulated, like they were the only ones not only in America, but also in other countries that follow a very similar pattern.

In regards to their ramblings, my answer to them is never "No, there's no racism", but actually "Yes, there is racism and it goes both ways". For some, that is saying something preposterous.

But anyways, yes, it's as simple as that. There will be racism against Asians, latinos, white, black... anyone, really. And far more than racism, there's also xenophobia. There are individuals who have actual hatred towards and specific race, ethnicity or nationality. But as far as saying that universally an specific race oppresses as a collective another is just absurd. Racism exists, is out there but we ALL will face racism at some point of our lives. People from all races and genders have the same opportunities, and will also suffer from discrimination at any given moment.

There's discrimination/racism from whites towards black:

And there's also racism/discrimination from blacks towards white:

Movements like Black Lives Matter will only cause more division and will spread actual racism because it is clearly a hate movement. It seems that if you don't agree to it you're a racist "white trash" and oppressor, and that gives them the "freedom" to be openly violent towards you.

There's a lot of things going on in society that the mainstream media doesn't cover.

Do you know that seemingly black gangs started a street game called "The Knockout Game"?

It consist on literally knocking out unsuspecting people right there in the spot, the success is knocking them out unconscious.

How aren't white civilians not jumping out claiming oppression towards blacks then? Can you imagine if we all called blacks as a collective as perpetrators of this?

^^(Note: This guy knows what he's talking about).

Fortunately, awareness of this has been spread through the internet and people are adopting self defense (there are actual tutorials on youtube on how to defend yourself, and what to do in any of these scenarios).

So yes, as seemingly astonishing and incomprehensible to brainwashed liberals it is, there's racism, and discrimination in general, going ALL ways.

No one could have said it any better than Dave Shapiro:

This scenario is pretty much the same scenario you'll have when arguing with anyone who still believes black people are oppressed by society.

Host: "How can you argue that racism is not a driving factor in income inequality?"

Ben Shapiro: "Because it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture."

[madhatters4]

i don't think we need a take to know that black people can be racist. seeing a race as inferior isn't relegated to one race

anyone who suggests otherwise is simply ignorant so don't waste your time with them.

[madhatters4]

i don't really see how the stats on murders suggest that BLM doesn't have a legitimate gripe that the criminal justice system can be discriminatory. as you mentioned black people only represent 13% of the population and yet black men represent nearly 50% of unarmed men killed by police.

this does speak to potential discrimination in our law enforcement, at least enough to start asking that we really pay some attention to reasons why unarmed black men are so likely to be killed compared to other races and ethnicities

[RJGraveyTrain]

I'd pay actual money to see you discuss this kind of stuff live.

[legs_n_sheets]

haha you'd probably sleep half way through my ramblings 😂

[RJGraveyTrain]

Nah, ramblling is a passion of mine so I'd sit through it.

[SinghSong]

It's a fair enough statement. However, the evidence you cited at the beginning is heavily flawed. These official FBI stats only cite those 5,723 killings adjudged to be murders in courts of law- the count of intentional homicides in the USA in that year according to those same official FBI stats was 12,253. And even this explicitly excluded all killings perpetrated by the authorities, as well as all of those killings which are adjudged to be 'lawful' or 'unintentional' homicides. When one includes all of these, it increases the total homicide count in the USA in 2013 to just over 16,000.

And when one looks at the overall demographics of all of these killings' victims and perpetrators, guess what? While the rate of homicides committed by black people is still disproportionately high, it's not overwhelmingly so- only around 24% of homicides were committed by black people, of which a full 70% were adjudged to be murders. In comparison, around 71% of all homicides were committed by white people, of which only a mere 24% were deemed to be murders. This is even more pronounced with those homicides involving white perpetrators and black victims- fewer than 4% of all the homicides of black people by white people in the USA in that year were deemed to be murders. And fewer than 30% of all homicides involving black victims were adjudged to be murders.

That's the main reason why Black Lives Matter has a real case. The majority of homicide victims in the USA are black, comprising roughly 52.1% of the total tally- but they don't matter, insofar as these homicides are deemed to be markedly lesser crimes than the homicides of white victims. The true homicide rate among the Black American population in that year was roughly 21.4, almost seven times higher than the homicide rate among the White American population of 3.23, and almost on a par with that of Mexico.

And when it comes to incarceration rates, the black population of the USA IS the most oppressed in modern history. Though it's been falling during Obama's tenure, the incarceration rate for young black men aged from 20 to 39 is still nearly 10000/100000. By comparison, at the height of apartheid, the incarceration rate for black male South Africans only rose to a peak of 851/100000. The US black incarceration rate is 2,306/100000- that's more than 5x the white incarceration rate, 3x higher than North Korea's, and over 2x that of Stalin's USSR. How CAN you argue that "it has nothing to do with race"?

[legs_n_sheets]

I'd still have to look into these stats you're mentioning. But pretty much everything you said in the first couple of paragraphs is explained through the fact that these percentage are based in 63% of white (non hispanic) population, vs only a 13% which represents black people living in the States. I don't see how my initial stats are "heavily flawed" because of this. Interesting how you only pulled the percentages, but not the actual count (as I did). You see, the figures are disproportionate because black people still commit more murders despite them only representing a 13%, and these stats are placing them next to 63%. Overwhelming is actually a very short term for it, because if the percentages represented the reverse, these figures wouldn't just doubled, you know.

[legs_n_sheets]

And in terms of black people comprising 52.1% of the total tally of homicide victims, black victims of homicide were most likely to be male (85%) and between ages 17 and 29 (51%). Homicides against blacks were more likely than those against whites to occur in highly populated areas, including cities and sub-urbs by... drum roll... black people.

And yes, according to the FBI, black offenders committed 52% of homicides. And only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.
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So the stats clearly show is a black on black murder rate, rather than white on black. Actually, 93% of black victims were killed by blacks and 84% of white victims were killed by whites. Despite the fact that black people represent a 13% of the American population, there's STILL a difference of 9% black on white murders.

[legs_n_sheets]

So no, Black Lives Matter has no real case case. If what they're concerned is about black people being killed, then they must know by now they are actually killing themselves as the stats clearly show.

Next...

[SinghSong]

I've seen that table before, along with the data cited to back up those percentage figures- in spite of what it says, those figures still only count those homicides deemed to be murders. I didn't pull out the actual counts, because I couldn't be bothered to convert the table which I had to compile myself into a jpg file, and also because there's a margin of error of hundreds in many cases, depending on which sources you believe. I could have overstated it- instead, I went with the minimum figures. Yes, there is still a difference. But is that enough to justify the fact that the average black person in the USA is more than twice as likely to face incarceration in the USA than the average citizen in the USSR at the height of Stalin's most severe purge ever, in the immediate aftermath of WW2 and the establishment of the Iron Curtain? And more than eleven times as likely as the average black person in Apartheid South Africa at the height of the civil unrest in the late 1980's?

[legs_n_sheets]

You are a very smart person, I actually apologize if I had a defensive posture before. But your case defending the Black Lives Matter Movement was flawed particularly because you put the fact that black people are murdered at high numbers, yet 93% of those victims are being killed by other black people.

If you want to look at this from a political angle, it's quite funny how in Wikipedia the founders of Black Lives Matter appear to be black women, when the creator of Black Lives Matter is actually Shaun King, who is a white liberal.

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The goal is to tell black people that they are oppressed for black people to vote for the Democratic party. It's a political and liberal game, really. The reason why the Democratic party gets 95% of the blacks votes is because they really think that white people and cops are out there killing blacks where the statistics clearly show a whole different picture.

[legs_n_sheets]

If you want to go to the root of the problem here within blacks is the following:
A kid raised without a father figure is 5 times more likely to be poor and commit crimes. 9 times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
72% of black kids are raised in single parent household, does this ring any bells on the problem here?

If black people aren't accountable of this, there's simply no solution to the problem. They have to recognize this first and foremost.

[SinghSong]

That figure you keep citing, about 93% of black murder victims in the USA are killed by other black people (even when your own table cites it as 90%), doesn't have any bearing on my argument- in fact, it's a core tenet of it. Because the homicides of black people are, for the most part, only deemed to be murders if the perpetrators are other black people. That's what I'm talking about, the case that BLM's trying to make- in more than 70% of all homicides involving black victims, which overwhelmingly involve white perpetrators, the US authorities' answer is effectively "Oh no, that doesn't count as murder; it's only a black life, so it doesn't matter. It's a lawful homicide- the white guy was just defending himself against the clear threat posed by black people. Or let's just say it's unintentional- no need to punish a good white man for killing a worthless black person, is there?" Of course, your political argument's completely true. But my argument that BLM has a case is still sound.

[legs_n_sheets]

93% as of 2014**

As for your claims, where is your proof of that? If you look at the homicides rates, without pulling out/specifying the murder rates you'd still realize the black on black homicide and violent acts is still disproportionately higher than the white on black overall homicide rate. So it's still blacks perpetrating blacks issue.

You haven't also addressed what black I said about 72% of black people living in single households.

[SinghSong]

When your people have the highest incarceration rates of any people in the entire history of the world besides those who were being sent to extermination camps, with 10% of all the males in your ethnic group between the ages of 20 and 39 behind bars at any given time, more than 32% of them facing imprisonment at some point during their lifetimes, is it really any surprise that so many black kids in the USA (66%, not 72%- datacenter.kidscount.org/.../432,431) are being raised in single parent households, without any father figures?
Isn't it blatantly obvious what the root cause of the black single parentage problem is? And given that these other points which you make are true, try doing the math- the higher rates of single parentage would only make black people 2.35 x more likely to end up in jail than white people, if race were a non-factor. But instead, they're more than 5.46x more likely to end up in jail than white people, affirming that race is indeed a factor.

[legs_n_sheets]

"Isn't it blatantly obvious what the root cause of the black single parentage problem is? "

Yes, it is. That's why I'm showing it to you. You can't claim now that the reason black people are absent from their homes (72% as of 2015 I might add) is because whites are purposely incarcerating them.

The fact that blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do, has nothing to do with this invented notion of oppression, but because the family structure within black communities is pretty much wrecked. As I said in my take, no one is forcing black people to have children and no one is forcing black parents to leave the households.

[SinghSong]

The same also goes for Latinos, by the way- single parentage should only account for the average Latino being 1.56 times more likely to go to jail than the average White American, but instead, the average Latino is 2.91 times more likely to go to prison than the average non-Latino White American. It's not quite as massive as the disparity for black people- Latinos are 1.87 times more likely to be sent to prison in the USA than they should be compared to Whites, while Blacks are 2.31 times more likely to be sent to prison in the USA than they should be compared to Whites- but it's still clear evidence that racial profiling plays a very significant role.

[legs_n_sheets]

"And given that these other points which you make are true, try doing the math- the higher rates of single parentage would only make black people 2.35 x more likely to end up in jail than white people, if race were a non-factor. But instead, they're more than 5.46x more likely to end up in jail than white people, affirming that race is indeed"

No, it has to do with culture. Again, blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do. A child raised without a father figure is 5 times more likely to be poor and commit crimes. 9 times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail. You have more chances of going to jail because of lack of parental figure, than because a cop is racist against a black criminal. That's an absurd notion given there's no actual proof of it. Contrary to being born without fathers.

www.photius.com/.../facts_on_fatherless_kids.html

[legs_n_sheets]

Umm... racial profiling is a myth when it comes to statistics. Not to say it has never happened, but from an intellectual level...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMrJW41yIU

[SinghSong]

Someone refused to do the math, and decided to beat the drum of cultural supremacy instead. Sigh... Since you can't be bothered, I'll do it for you.

White American jail risk= 0.75 (% of the white population not in single households) + (0.25 (% of the white population in single households) * 20 (increased likelihood of ending up in jail))= 5.75 (times more likely than would be the case if this racial group had no single parent households at all).
Black American equivalent= 0.33 + (0.66 * 20)= 13.53x.
Predicted difference in likelihood of members of these respective population groups going to jail, assuming that single parenthood is the only factor, and that no racial biases exist= 13.53/5.75= 2.35x greater likelihood of Black Americans going to jail.
Actual statistical difference= 32.2/5.9= 5.46x greater likelihood of Black Americans going to jail.

Conclusion- single parenthood cannot be the only factor, and other racial factors must exist.

[legs_n_sheets]

Mind you, you pretty much openly stated that cops are shooting cops and doing racial profiling with no actual proof to it.

And now that you mention hispanics (yes, I want to address all of this) the reason why dark hispanics are more likely to be in prison is because their preferable choice of victims are actually white people.
www.amren.com/.../HispanicOffenders.jpg

Whites are the preferred victims from all racial groups (even themselves), except for blacks who kill themselves at a slightly higher rate.

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Further disproving your claims.

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[legs_n_sheets]

Single parenthood is the main cause, not to say there aren't racial factors. Because as the statistics show, there clearly are...

[SinghSong]

You're really citing Fox News? And for someone who claims that racial profiling is a myth, you do seem to lean on it and rely upon it to try and prop up your argument of Black Peoples' alleged cultural, societal and racial inferiority an awful lot. What's your source to back up your claim that blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do? Here's a map of the violent, forcible rapes committed in the USA- static4.businessinsider.com/.../1rape.jpg
For some strange reason, there isn't a breakdown of the numbers of rape victims and perpetrators by race in the USA available anywhere- who knows why, eh? But do you seriously think that Alaska and South Dakota's rape rates are that much higher than every other state's because of blacks?

[legs_n_sheets]

Don't hide from these stats. I asked you for proved that there is racial profiling and discrimination from the police. If you want to accuse me on relying on racial profiling, just know I'm using the facts.
White people are indisputably the preferred victim from all races, including latinos.
www.amren.com/.../HispanicOffenders.jpg
Black people kill almost as many whites as they kill blacks. And white people show the less prejudice (at least when it comes to murders) towards other races.
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[legs_n_sheets]

As for your accusations on quoting Fox News, I just shared that because I think the guest on that video made solid points. There are very defined attitudes, and inclination to certain actions from race to race. But I'm showing you the stats, where is the proof that policemen are attacking black people out of the blue regularly? Sure, we can say it has happened maybe, but what I'm proving right now is that black people are more violent statistically nd they commit more crimes, reason why they end up in jail. It's factual.

"What's your source to back up your claim that blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do?"

Here: 2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/.../Color-Of-Crime-2016.pdf

^^That's actually the revised 2016 Edition.

[legs_n_sheets]

So moving on, now you're talking about rape. Now, the only information handled is that 6% of people can be rapists/potential rapists. BUT, there's actually a figure that actually shows that of incarcerated people, the perpetrators from child abuse are actually white:
www.statista.com/.../...e-us-by-race-ethnicity.jpg

This means that white people are more prone to engage in child abuse (245 compared to 100 black people). I don't think any white person should run away from this fact. BUT black people shouldn't run away from their facts either. Black people are the main perpetrators of violence (which involves sexual assault, robbery, simple or aggravated assault) and also murders.

[legs_n_sheets]

Not to mention of 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85% of the time. This means a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. And latinos are 8 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa as showed in the stats. So speaking on racial oppression per se, whites aren't the oppressors but the oppressed rather.

Again, racial crimes are by racial factors. Other violent crimes, and murders, along with income and social economical issues are more to do with culture, and the fact that black people are growing up without father figures (72% of them, the big majority growing up in one single parent household). As I have stated multiple times, child raised without a father figure is 5 times more likely to be poor and commit crimes. 9 times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.

[SinghSong]

Alright then- robbery. Robbery is largely a big-city crime. In 2006, large metropolitan cities experienced a robbery rate of 173/100,000 compared to a national rate of 149. Small cities reported a robbery rate of 62, while rural areas had a rate of only 16. Population density and a dense urban setting make a huge difference to the robbery rate and crime potential; obviously, the primary reason why black people are the main perpetrators of robbery in the USA is because of 'white flight'.

The vast majority of your figures appear to be citing The Color Of Crime. Do you really believe that a work published by the American Renaissance New Century Foundation (https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation) as its 'bible', compiled by Jared Taylor, can be deemed to be a neutral and impartial source by any stretch of the imagination? Here's a more impartial analysis of the figures by a statistician who ISN'T trying to peddle his own white nationalist agenda: www.timwise.org/.../

[legs_n_sheets]

The only stat I've pulled out from the color of crime is literally this:

"What's your source to back up your claim that blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do?"

If you want to discredit or try to argue that figure alone, theb that's up to you. But everythig else I have mentioned to build my case is officicial. And I know it's a strog case. So again, stop running from the facts I'm givng you. You're welcome to address what I mentioned before (2 times now, because yoi haven't adressed them).

[SinghSong]

Dude, practically all of your stats are from the same source, even if you yourself don't know it. You can read the name of this jpg file, right? Citing whose chart it is? davidduke.com/.../JarredTaylorChart1.jpg
And with this link- www.amren.com/.../HispanicOffenders.jpg- That's a link that leads directly back to the official propaganda website of Jared Taylor's White Nationalist American Renaissance group. Your other charts and tables are pulled from blogs with a similarly White Nationalist note. You're welcome to point out what it is that you've apparently mentioned twice before but which I still haven't addressed, so that I can set about addressing them though. You're also welcome to follow the link I included in my last post, and read through the cited essay which calmly rips your 'case', claiming that blacks allegedly victimize white people in the USA, to shreds. And to take a rest- your spelling kind of went to pot in that last post, so I'll assume that you're a bit tired.

[legs_n_sheets]

Those stats though, are made in conjunction with the fbi charts so I don't see absolutely no problem using them. Also, that source is still very much a very well stated, and thought source. I'd say the color of crime is a remarkable document. Send me your statements and documents that contradict specifically those charts? I want to see those other stats (I'm at work writing from my phone btw).

[SinghSong]

You need to acknowledge that polarizing people, and pushing an populist issue which doesn't actually exist to try and get peoples' votes, isn't just something that the 'loony left-wing liberals' and the Democrats do. It's a game which ALL politicians play to get votes. The Democrats and Hillary Clinton are going to get 95% of the black vote because they can delude the black sheep into voting for them through their skewered depiction of the issue of interracial violence and crime, fiddling the figures to support their message and ignoring those figures that don't; meanwhile, the Republicans and Donald Trump are going to get 95% of the white non-LGBTQ vote in this election because they can delude the white sheep into voting for them through doing exactly the same thing. And since white cisgender heterosexuals still comprise the vast majority of the USA's voters, Trump'll win by a landslide. Because BLM's most vocal members and its most vocal detractors are both sheep.

[SinghSong]

Here are a few of them which address these specific points you might find interesting, and which it's very hard to try and counter:
www.timwise.org/.../
www.timwise.org/.../
www.timwise.org/.../
www.timwise.org/.../
www.timwise.org/.../

Yes, the guy making these points is as left-wing and liberal as they come. But they're still valid points, all backed up by official US government data and by rigorous scientific analysis. How do you contest these points?

[legs_n_sheets]

^^Yes, it goes both ways. It's a straw man argument because I don't disagree with that specific statement, nor have implied I do in any way.

If you want to set aside any sort of politics here, or political charts you won't be able to refute the fact that 72% of black people. living without fathers, and the fact that black people are the perpetrators of an alarmig rate of most of violent crimes (sexual assault, racial crimes, abuse, etc). 92% of black people are killed by other black people, not whites and not cops. And this a fact. It goes down to the fact it silence blm movement because the reason this movement alone was created was because of the 2% of black murders perpetrated by cops, but what happens then with the remaining 92% of black deaths perpetrated by other blacks? Where's the discussion on that. Point it out to me because I don't see it anywhere. It is, by fact, a cultural thing and this is specifically what I adressed here.

[SinghSong]

Also worth citing, since you seem so adamant on focusing on black single motherhood and single parentage as the root cause of black peoples' alleged greater violence and criminality than white people- here you go. What's your counter-argument to this?
www.timwise.org/.../

[legs_n_sheets]

Didn't you just refuted one of my arguments stating I couldn't use political oriented charts? And now, you're using a left-wing straight up website to make some sort of point. You're also trying to make it seem I'm just bashing on blacks, when really I'm only showing you the raw facts and making a statement on the root of the problem and the actual cause that invalidates the BLM narrative.

It goes down to this based on what we have discussed:
Irrefutable fact #1: 93% of black victims were killed by blacks and 84% of white victims were killed by whites. And only 2% of black murders were perpetrated by cops. (which prettty much washes away the BLM narrative that policemen and shooting away blacks, when it's themselves doing most of the work).
www.aim.org/.../...ms-and-White-Guilt-1024x600.jpg
Start with that one.

[SinghSong]

So you refuse to even read them on account of the sheer extent of your political bias, as expected. Fine. Here's the main counter-point to that specific FBI homicide data table from 2013.
* Whites are more than 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 0.0002%; 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse, 409 to 189, the 189 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 409 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, these figures prove that any given black person in the USA is 2.65 times more likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person in the USA is to be murdered by a black person.

[legs_n_sheets]

Again, you refuted my statement saying basically that we shouldn't use political oriented charts, in that sense I gave you a point, BUT that's why I answered back with an official chart. You can't expect me to read all of that if you yourself disqualified The Color Of Crime reports (which I have read in full).

"Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse, 409 to 189, the 189 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 409 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population."

Because non hispanic whites represent a 63% of the American population, and blacks represent only 13%, haven't you thought of that? Just think if the American population consisted on a 50%/50% whites right now, food for thought.

[SinghSong]

As for that other part- about 93% of black murder victims being killed by blacks, and 84% of white murder victims being killed by whites- all you have to do is pull out a calculator and input the data from that table to know those figures are false. According to the table, it's 90%, not 93%; and 83% (albeit barely, 83.49), not 84%. And even with those figures, once one takes residential and spatial racial isolation into account- on average, only about 3% of persons encountered by whites living in the USA are black, while on average, only about 57% of persons encountered by blacks living in the USA are white- random chance alone would dictate that a black violent offender in the USA would be more than 7 times more likely to victimize a white person than a white violent offender would be to victimize a black person.

[legs_n_sheets]

On top of it, your rebuttal still doesn't take away the fact that white people have more chances of being killed by another white person in a car accident, and black people have more chances of being criminally murdered by another black. "In fact, these figures prove that any given black person in the USA is 2.65 times more likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person in the USA is to be murdered by a black person. "
Wrong. Using proportional demographics between whites murdered versus blacks, doesn't take away the fact that blacks are dying by the hands of other blacks, it's 93%. That's the point of this. They say it's the whites and the cops but it's themselves killing each other.

[legs_n_sheets]

Ok, so it's 90% according to the 2013 stats, and not 93% according to the 2008 stats. What difference does that make, if it's still the big majority of black people murdering each other.

[SinghSong]

As for those interracial violent crime figures? Even if we were to assume that all of those Black on White violent crimes were committed against non-Hispanic whites, and that Hispanics didn't exist, this would mean that at most, perhaps 0.25% of all white Americans were violently victimized by a black person in that year. On the other hand, the 91,000 victimizations against blacks by whites in that year, as a share of the black population, equates to nearly 0.3% of all black Americans having been violently victimized by a white person in that year. Who's being victimized by whom?

[legs_n_sheets]

Good question, because it leads me to the Irrefutable Fact#2: 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85% of the time. This means a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. Who do you think is racially (at least in violent terms) oppressing who?

[legs_n_sheets]

^^ And before you even answer I gotta say...

I think you have, for some reason, a problem with these stats. I showed you the facts, and then you went on comparing the deaths my race demographics, which is easily rebutted by the fact that there are more white people (63% non hispanic) versus roughly a 13% of blacks. The beauty about facts, contrary to emotional responses, is that you can't go around them.

Whenever a black person says that cops are shooting up blacks dead in the street, they are only talking about a 2% of what the media covers, but what about that 90% (as you said) remaining? Do you see the logic in this? I asked the question before and there's never a response, because black people are throwing the responsibility to cops out of roughly a 2% without acknowledging the 90% of black murders perpetrated by blacks themselves. This is a reality that is very inconvenient for them because it ruins their narrative. It's something people don't want to face.

[SinghSong]

Oh, this again? The table which you posted disproves that:
67.media.tumblr.com/.../...el1B39z1r1jtxd_1280.jpg
According to the data from THIS table, there were a total of 3,124,572 crimes of interracial violence in the USA in that year. Of these, Black people were the perpetrators of 859,934, 27.52% of interracial violent crimes. White people were the perpetrators of 490,349, 15.69%; Hispanics were the perpetrators of 575,252, 18.4% of interracial crimes; and the rest were perpetrated by members of other racial groups. Blacks violently victimized Whites 560,600 times in that year; Whites violently victimized Blacks 99,403 times in that year. That equates to Black Americans being a mere 5.63 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. But there are more than 5.22 times as many white people as black people in the USA- it's almost exactly what you'd expect if violent offenders attacked people at random, with no racial bias at all.

[SinghSong]

Who'd have thought it, eh? There are more than five times as many white victims of black violent offenders than there are black victims of white offenders, because there are more than five times as many white people to victimize than there are black people. You'd almost think that violent offenders just lashed out at random, and attacked whoever happened to be there for them to attack. That would be, if not for the actual encounter rates, which show that only 3% of those people encountered by the average white American are black, and that 57% of those people encountered by the average black American are white- in other words, the average black American is 17 times more likely to encounter a white American than the other way round. Which means that the rate of W-B violent crime relative to the rate of B-W violent crime in the USA is actually more than 3 times higher than it should be, if people were randomly attacking whoever they encountered at the same rates- race IS a factor.

[legs_n_sheets]

Again, you are building a case of blacks slightly killing more whites for interracial issues basically, but remember (once again) that black people only represent a 13% of the American population, rather than a 63% that white people represent. This is something that you usually ignore in your sentences. Just imagine if the black percentage was higher, what would happen then? I'd like your input on that.

And yet, AGAIN, my questions remain in the air: Whenever a black person says that cops are shooting up blacks dead in the street, they are only talking about a 2% of what the media covers, but what about that 90% (as you said) remaining? Do you see the logic in this? I asked the question before and there's never a response, because black people are throwing the responsibility to cops out of roughly a 2% without acknowledging the 90% of black murders perpetrated by blacks themselves. This is a reality that is very inconvenient for them because it ruins their narrative.

[AleDeEurope]

Wait, you got into arguments with blacks in GAG and they called you racist? Whaaaaaaat? That's impossible!!
XD
I've also been called racist and told I hate black people because I've pointed out facts that go against the BLM movement... facts can't be racist xD
You just gotta spend 5 minutes in GAG to know every race can be racist.

For fucks sake, there's a video of the Charlotte riots where a man was bwing beaten up by a group of black guys and a reporter almost burned alive. The other day I pointed this out and called stupid xD

Obviously anyone can be racist, only a racist will say they can't, cause that gives them green light to be racist and get away with it, which is what's happening with BLM.
Dude, it was a black cop who shot the man on NC, but they still blamed white people. It just shows their ignorance, sheep mentality, and obvious racism.

Go to China and you'll see racism. Go to Russia and you'll see racism. Go to Saudi Arabia and you'll see racism. Go to South Africa and you'll see racism. Go to Mexico and you'll see racism. Go to a Native American reserve and you'll see racism.
My point is that every race in every country can be racist. Racism is hate, and hate is a common human trait.

Great Take, as usual. It's sad the US is becoming more segregated today. It's more sad that those who consider MLK a role model and a leader, are the same ones that being racist and judging people by the color of their skin.

[legs_n_sheets]

It's actually the real racists who don't take any sort of accoubtability, and who blatantly show bias towards a certain race.

Like the guy in the video I posted:

Guy with sign: "All lives matter, man"
Black dude: " Oh, so black lives don't matter?"
Fuck logic.

[AleDeEurope]

Exactly. They pull out the victim card and call you stupid because you show them the world's reality which doesn't match with their owns.

Yesterday I saw a video of a man that has a radio show, talking to a female BLM supporter. He was telling her real statistics about the black community, and she told him she disagrees with it... the fuck? It's like telling you that fire is hotter than ice water, and you disagree. Like bitch, it doesn't matter if you disagree, it is what it is, disagreeing isn't gonna make the statistic/fact not true xD

This is the problem, that you can show them over and over again the problems within themselves, but they still disagree. And this happens with any racist, not just blacks; they're not gonna accept any negative reality because they believe they're superior to other races.

And by the way, the radio host was black. Check Jesse Lee Peterson, his great.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Question.
When you say "all lives matter", do you actually mean it? Do you mean that all lives matter, including black people's?

[AleDeEurope]

@RainbowFanGirl I never say "all lives matter", though I do believe all lives matter, obviously. Hell, I'm against the death penalty, so that should tell you something.
The thing is, I don't criticize "all lives matter" cause it's not racist, and it's meant to take away the attention of the lies, racism, and self-segregation of BLM, it's just a counteracting movement, cause any person with some humanity (and common sense) in them, believes every single life matters (except maybe of those who murder people... which I still believe their lives matter, we shouldn't just kill them if we can avoid it, but it's not people that will be missed).

[RainbowFanGirl]

Thank you. I believe the same thing about the all lives matter movement. It's just a counter movement that has no real meaning.

[AleDeEurope]

@RainbowFanGirl It's just trying to fight everything the BLM movement is destroying and harming. Black people fought for a looooong time to end segregation, and they succeeded, but now there's a group of people who are trying to throw all that away, and the ALM movement is just trying to stop that. There's many black people that are against BLM, and I'm glad they are, cause they're smart people who know we shouldn't go back to how we were before the civil rights movement.

[legs_n_sheets]

"There's many black people that are against BLM, and I'm glad they are, cause they're smart people who know we shouldn't go back to how we were before the civil rights movement. "

You will LOVE this guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMBLg3jS32k

[AleDeEurope]

I hope that man has kids xD I haven't heard of him before, but it's great to see a black man standing up against the lies they're being fed.

Thanks for sharing the video ;)

[krash2002]

Society as a whole has a collective amount of racists. Race aside, anyone of any race can be racist, and that's just a fact. I've seen race wars randomly populate throughout forums I'm on, and it gets annoying fairly quickly. Why race has to be the topic of every discussion is beyond me, and I hope some day we all get to the point of seeing each other as equals, and moving along as we should have developed beyond this at this point in time.

I'm white, and it sucks to be labeled as a racist sometimes for just being white. Even though I've never said anything in regards to insinuate hate towards any other race or a person of a particular race just for being a different color than I. That being said, I don't think most blacks are racist. I just think there's a level of defense poured into their hearts by society and social media. I think the same applies the same for all races. It's the select few that outweigh the many and I think people forget that.

When it comes to every day matters. I don't see things progressing until people are willing to let the past go and move onto the future. Yes, there are problems such as police brutalitymore so towards specific races, and those definitely need to be addressed, but in all. A lot of the issue's can be resolved by people trying to better themselves. To not be so quick to judge, and more to accept. But when that will happen... who knows. Society seems to enjoy going backwards for some reason.

[legs_n_sheets]

"That being said, I don't think most blacks are racist. I just think there's a level of defense poured into their hearts by society and social media. "

I think black people who support movements like BLM are racist, BUT I agree they developed racism by the leftist media. These people are brainwashed to actually hate white people, and segregate themselves from white people.

A good example is the creator of Black Lives Matter, Shaun King, who is actually a white liberal. The goal here is to tell black people that they are oppressed, for black people to vote for the Democratic party. It's a political and liberal game, really. The reason why the Democratic party gets 95% of the blacks votes is because they really think that white people and cops are out there killing blacks where the statistics clearly show a whole different picture.

[legs_n_sheets]

See, the problem with BLM argument relies on that they claim they are oppressed by whites and shot by cops, when in reality 93% of blacks murdered are being killed by other black people, not cops and not whites. Yet you don't see them digging into that. Once they draw their attention to the FACT black people are murdering themselves, they'll see the cause and do something to achieve it. But a this point, they are too manipulated by the liberal media, so they'll ignore the single fact that 72% of black people grow in single parenthood, and that a child raised without a father figure is 5 times more likely to be poor and commit crimes, 9 times more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in jail. No wonder why black people commit most of the crimes and are dropping out of schools. It has nothing to do with white oppression.

[krash2002]

@legs_n_sheets Sadly this is true in regards to the brainwashing. Yes, there are those few white people who are racist against blacks, but they are in a huge minority. While the media portrays that every other white person hates black. Which is absolutely untrue.

Your example is definitely valid as it's funny that most politicians that are democrats. Are actually white, and have said things in reverse to their feelings about other races. IE: Clinton (I'm not a fan of either Trump nor Clinton. Just to clarify to avoid political warfare.). They have only changed within the last 5-10 years to accrue the minority vote.

[krash2002]

Removing feelings from a matter is nearly impossible, and thus I argue that fighting on a statistical standpoint. Will not uphold forever. Not that you are incorrect with your methods, but it's more that people let their emotions drive them than they do facts. In order to persuade someone. It often times takes battling someone with partial cognitive empathy, and being factual. However, that is just my thoughts on the matter. It would be nice if the world was rational, and was willing to alter their mindsets just based on facts alone throughout most days.

[krash2002]

Speaking about the statistics of the average black person within the United States these days. I've recently had the chance to read an article on Gentrification. Which after reading the article, and then a few other's on the same topic as that. It's bothersome that they think it's a fight against Blacks/Hispanics. Gentrification is the reprocussion of rising costs within a community that costs people of lesser income to move to a more affordable area, but for some reason people see this as white people kicking out blacks. Why do they think that blacks can't earn enough to move to a better neighborhood or to afford their existing house? Why as a previous hiring manager for engineering positions. Did I only have 20 black applicants out of the thousand or so I received over the course of a few years? Everyone as a whole needs to drop the thoughts that they themselves can't better themselves. To just get over the fact of what anyone else thinks, and move forward towards a better life.

[legs_n_sheets]

I believe the factual talk is simply the necessary response we need today, out of all the social/political myths and "opinions" that the leftists media has built on emotions. People are being fed lies and have been brainwashed with a lot of crap these days. As with everything elsr you've said I wholeheartedly agree pretty much. People aren't limited at all to better themselves, not by race or gender. It's the self victimization and the segregation of society that is and will keep limiting them.

[MagiAlphaOne]

The Milwaukee Riots are another great example. A Black Police Officer shoots a Black Man. In response, Blacks attack White People because Police killed armed Black Suspect!

legs_n_sheets, AWESOME MyTake! Very well thought out and great citation!

stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/.../groups-of-blacks-attack-white-people-in.html

[legs_n_sheets]

Thanks for sharing!

[Anonymous]

Racism surely exists within every ethnic group, but really what is the point of pointing out that another group can be racist? Who does that help? You pointing that out doesn't actually deal with racist blacks anymore than it deals with racist whites, except to say hey they exist. Um, okay, and the sky is blue.

If a black person says they have experienced racism, are you going to pull up this chart and explain how blacks kill blacks? Does that actually address the racism that that person is dealing with. The answer is no. I could absolutely say the same for you pulling out a chart or a video of whites experiencing racism and showing it to blacks.

Every movement on planet earth has it's radicals, extremes, racists, etc but for all those that just dismiss BLM as everyone in it being about hatred of whites or police, are ignoring the ones actually trying to build bridges, and work with their communities, and get cops to sit down and talk about a distrust that is very real (see: L. A. Riots, stop and frisk, same race individuals for same crime incarceration rates). These things didn't happen in slave times.

Some people do blame everything on everything but their own actions. They blame white people or they blame black people for everything wrong in their lives rather than accept their part in it, but just as you make the assertion and point to the fact that everyone can experience racism, there should be an understanding gleened from this that if you go in with the attitude that just because you mention racism, whether white or black, you're a liar and racism doesn't exist, it solves nothing, addresses nothing. No chart in the world is going to be the answer to how we can all stop and collectively try to tackle racism if all we ever do is point out that... hey guys, racism exists for everyone.

[Shorty1991]

Your very brave for making this a topic of discussion on gag. But I agree with you that complaints about racism go to far. Soon there will be certain words that we won't even be allowed to say. Perfec example, that nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep was found offensive by black people. So they changed it to baa baa white sheep, some white people would find that racist but they are rhyming about sheep for goodness sake. In older comedies there were a lot of racist comments, but they were all just laughed off. Nothing was taken as seriously as it is today. Black people refer to each other as n***az, so are they being racist towards each other? Is it that when some of them call white people, white trash? Like a lot of other things, guys behaviour, girls behaviour, crushes, cheating, racism can go both ways too. If people would just lighten up a bit and stop taking everything so seriously. We would all get on better together.

[legs_n_sheets]

I agree. Actually, you can see bigotry and racism within the black community, now that you mention name-calling (which only perpetuate more racism). They have names for black people who admit there's no opression about blacks, and that are against BLM, they call them Uncle Tom, coconuts, oreos, coons, etc.

And yes, I agree everyone should have some sense of humor. I admit I have laughed countless of times of stereotypocal jokes about all races and nationalities basically. Then again, I have a very dark sense of humor sometimes so I'm not very uptight in those things (unless you're talkig about personal attacks, which is different). It seems you're very hip being a humorless easily triggered mannequin these days.

[Shorty1991]

I'm the same, I have a dark sense of humour too. But when Its like walking on egg shells around some people. Nowadays your scared to say anything in case its found to be offensive. I'm thankful that my family and best friend share my sense of humour.

[Wulfila]

When people say that a particular group can't be racist, this kind of thing happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztSzoh8N6es

(Skip to 7:10.)

Hatred and bigotry fester, because the racists feel justified and because the majority are unwilling to call them out or do anything of substance to stop the hate. They're implicitly taught that it's okay to be racist against white folks, because they, the honkies, deserve it.

My grandparents had to move away from D. C. in the '60s because of stuff like this. Neither of them was raised to be prejudiced, but they were seeing so much anti-white sentiment (and even violence in some cases) that they didn't feel safe living and working there anymore. Unfortunately, these negative experiences (and later ones) ultimately TURNED them racist against black people, because they didn't start out that way.

[legs_n_sheets]

Interesting. Thanks for commenting

[Wulfila]

Also worth mentioning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Nge6xlt-0

https://nypost.com/2012/04/07/the-racism-we-ignore/

This is directed at another minority, not Caucasians. How does the "black folks can't be racist" crowd respond to this? They blame it on white people too.

[Triss]

Seriously a black guy said to me "all white girls are bitches and hoes "
Also Eminem was discriminated by blacks when he started his rap career in 8 Mile. Everyone can be a racist whites and blacks. Then it depends to the people if they personally are or not

[EmpatheticLady]

Well done, Mr. Editor. :) Good use on the charts to drive your points home. Racism can affect anyone, not just black people.

[RainbowFanGirl]

It obviously does. People who say that black people can't be racist are uneducated on the matter.

[HikerDude]

In my experience, black people are more racist than whites today, if for no other reason than the fact that it's generally socially acceptable to be that way.

[Castleguy25]

Here's some Kleenex for your white tears

[HikerDude]

@Castleguy25 Save it, because you'll need it for the next round of crying over the next dumb African who acts the fool and gets himself offed by the police.

[Anonymous]

You really have some good points and I agree with basically all of them. In the country I live in theynstate that there is no inequality but in the bill of rights it states "someone will not get a job based on merit alone but based on a previously disadvantaged background". So if a white guy applied for a job and let's say he's got 5 distinctions and I'd qualified, but black guy applies for the same job and has an average of 30% he will still get the job before the white guy. So can you tell me if this is race discrimination

[legs_n_sheets]

It might be discrimination but you'd had to look at the considerations whatever's company you applied to had when they hired the black/white person.

[itsagirlthing900]

I agree 100% with you! Finally an educated and well-rounded mytake! There absolutely is racism in our culture but it goes both ways! Anyone can choose to be a racist, and anyone can choose to play a victim.
But discrimination against blacks I don't feel has anything to do with slavery and how they were once considered "lesser" than others, but everything to do with statistics. It is a fact like the statistics you threw out there that they do commit more crime given their numbers.

[nolookingbackx]

100% true. All Lives Matter. Respect other people, we're humans not colors.

[Phoenix98]

Of course it goes both ways /= you'd have to be the most idiotic person I've ever met to actually legitimately think blacks are incapable of racism, I mean have you seen BLM? even other blacks admit they're racist.

https://youtu.be/EE0YmFqedhY

[springocelot]

Another well-written take. The other thing I really hate about BLM is that they choose soft targets. They wouldn't get away with even half the stuff they do if they tried pulling it in a town where there was a lot of gun owners or "the 'hood."

[Robbey]

I partly agree. In a social sense, black people can be (and often are) every bit as bigoted as anyone else. The difference is in an institutional sense, (non-Hispanic) whites (as such) simply aren't subjected to the same bigotry as others in our country.

[legs_n_sheets]

Where's the bigotry though, can you prove it to me right now?

[Robbey]

No, in no small degree because I don't feel obligated to prove my opinions here (it's GAG, not a peer reviewed journal). Agree or disagree I. don't care it's just GAG However, if you have access to a decent library, try accessing their databases- Academic Search Premier, Project Muse, and Proquest would be places to start either refuting me or vindicating yourself. Happy researching!

[legs_n_sheets]

Any internet forum can be used for debates. Thankfully, we have enough proper/official information and resources available. Anyways, if you don't want to debate then good riddance!

[somebodysaycheese]

Well im a proud racist. I only like my race and thats the human race😁... yea it was corny.

[legs_n_sheets]

Don't get me wrong, race/ethnicities well exist in my book. We have biological differences and all. But there's no need for social segregation for that.

[LEIGHX]

nice <3

[soulbabe]

I already know people of Every race can be racist do you have any idea how many times I here shit about my color and people calling me racist with out knowing a thing about me because of my color

[soulbabe]

Thanks for the like

[Anonymous]

I used to say white people. Are like dragon type the person who can hurt a white person is a white person.

Thwn ice and fairy came in the picture

Anyway that how black people see white people basically invincible so my word to u can lt hurt u. Ur the majority and was once my opressor.

Lol 75 % of the black community is dumb and in gangs and love violence and drops outta high school and loves to focus on the past andplay the victim.

Until i see blacks fix their own community i can't feel bad.

[Castleguy25]

You just pulled that stat out of your ass, you fucking moron. Speaking of which, they should take back the diploma you received for writing these terrible sentences.