It's Time to Ditch the Medical Profession and Return to Nature

[Love_Is_Eternal]

I don't know what it's like in every western country, but over here in the UK people are getting sicker. Mental illness, digestive disorders, auto immune diseases, cancer, heart attacks etc are increasing. Another problem is that sick people are having to wait much longer to get an appointment. Usually weeks. Not only that, but people are told that there is no cure for their disease and that diseases just happen and nothing can be done to cure or prevent them. This is a big lie.

The truth is this: diseases don't just fall out of the sky. People cause their illness, either through stress or bad eating habits. It's usually takes years of unhealthy living to get sick. A fat person does not become obese overnight. It takes years of overeating. Diseases do not happen overnight. It takes years of unhealthy living. The stresses of life, watching depressing news every day, fear of the economy, unhealthy eating, alcohol, pollution in the air, pharmaceutical drugs etc are all making us sick. And when we get sick we go running to a doctor because we've been conditioned to believe that doctors are health experts.

Not true. Doctors do not study health. They study chemical intervention, how to hide symptoms by prescribing drugs. And quite often the drugs they prescribe do more harm than good. They also say that everyone who grows up in the next generation will all eventually get cancer, and despite billions of dollars going to cancer charities, more people than ever before are dying of cancer. Screw......you! It's time to go back to nature and take control of our health.

These is a book I recommend called "Free Food and Medicine." This book has photos of hundreds of wild edible plants and weeds that are not only super nutritious, but are also a medicine. The book tells you exactly which plant or weed you need to treat certain diseases. And it's free. You can grow a never ending supply of free food and medicine in your back garden. Pull out the weeds and they will keep growing back twice as much. I'm not saying you have to live on plants and weeds, what I'm saying is that if you are ever without money, you can have free food growing in your back garden and will never have to starve. And remember, these foods are also a medicine. No need for prescription drugs. These are also fruit trees you can grow that can survive winter. Or how about growing sprouts? Sprouts are super super nutritious, high in protein, and costs only pennies a day. All you need is a few sprouting jars.

But it's your choice. Junk food is highly addictive, but at the end of the day nobody puts a bar of chocolate or pizza in your mouth except you. If you want to spend your hard earned money on junk food that you get from the supermarket and eventually make yourself sick, then that is your choice. Your doctor will be happy to give you a load of pills or some other drug with side effects. But it doesn't have to be that way. Start researching how to grow your own food, like people did for thousands of years. Learn how to heal yourself naturally. Knowledge is power.

You would be surprised how much you can improve your health just by doing some simple things. Some years ago a doctor named Dr. Batmanghelidj was imprisoned in a Middle Eastern country. Inside the prison were a lot of sick people, and becuase he was the only doctor, they all came to him for help. Luckily the prison had lots of clean water, so Dr. Batmanghelidj told them to drink as much water as they could. Within a few months, they all started getting better and many were completely healed of their sickness and disease. When Dr. Batmanghelidj was released from prison, he wrote a book called "Your Body's Many Cries For Water." These sick prisoners were just suffering from chronic dehydration. Most people have no idea of the healing benefits of water. How many people could believe that so many illnesses is caused by chronic dehydration? Get the book or simply watch his videos on YouTube.

The time has come to stop relying on medical doctors. The only doctors we need are emergency doctors. These do a great job and they are a God send. But treating disease with drugs is not the answer. But it's your choice. Some people are not willing to change their diet or make the effort to grow their own food. They would rather live unhealthy, spend their money on junk food, and then take drugs when they get sick. But it doesn't have to be that way. There is a way out. Below is a short video on free food and medicine. I hope this myTake has been helpful.

[FallOutBoy2001]

This was the biggest load of bullshit I've read on here in a long time, and I've seen some outlandish ideas.

What do you make of childhood cancers, congenital conditions, or genetic diseases or mutations? Your reasoning is flawed; while food and environmental factors do affect a person's health, there are other reasons, outside of our control, that mean we get sick.

I was born with pneumonia, and was in respiratory distress for the first few days of my life. Was that my fault, or the faults of anyone around me? Nope, and I would have died if not for modern medicine. My friend was born severely premature, and would have died had it not been for modern medicine. Seeing a theme here?

Many people need to be on medication to function with some semblance of normalcy. My best friend is on a prescription drug to ease the pain of the daily migraines he gets - he has a genetic conditions from his mother's side of the family. I have ADHD and should be on a medication for it, but I manage to function just well enough that I can usually get by. I know people, not only online but in real life, who would have killed themselves or died by other means had they not had access to these medications. Prescription medications and new practices save many, many lives.

Are there problems with them? Yes. Many are addictive, especially painkillers (not so much anti-depressants and the likes) and antibiotics are creating antibiotic-resistant strains of diseases, which can be deadly. However, these medications save many more lives, and help people live normally.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're so stupid. Prescription drugs have also killed and harmed lots of people. Almost all diseases can be cured with natural treamtments, but I suspect you're far too brainwashed.

[FallOutBoy2001]

But you can't cite a single reliable source or study, nor logically explain how you're point is the correct view. I knew you were stupid, but this is ridiculous

[Love_Is_Eternal]

My beliefs are based on years of research. How can years of research be put together in a source, you thick dimwit?

[BeeNee]

Research you have yet to be able to produce to a single person on here who has questioned your sources. Researches all day everyday all over the world, put together years worth of data to present their evidence and their cases, but yet you are THE ONLY one on the planet who can't seem to do it, because there is none. People have choked eating carrots, should we all out ban them because some people have chocked on them? They are natural? Eating is natural, yet people die from it. I'd say choking and dying is a pretty high price to pay for eating a carrot, but I see that doesn't support your unsupported cause. If five people die by eating a carrot it doesn't make it bad, but if five persons die on medication, that's bad. Doesn't work that way. Nor does not having proof of anything. Nor does ignoring things like vaccinations (which you cannot defend against as you've taken them and are not all natural yourself) and other life saving medical interventions and medications.

[Red_Arrow]

"How can years of research be put together in a source." Okay, that has to be one of the dumbest questions ever asked on here. Doctors run studies and document them. Pharmaceutical companies run studies and document them. Other scientists review those studies and then publish critiques to them.

To say on here that you have years of studying it but cannot document a source means that you have nothing to document. Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence, and you are not even providing that much.

Although natural "mess" can sometimes help, if they could cure cancer and diabetes (among so many diseases), then naturopathic doctors would have published works proving at long ago. But they have not because as much as they may be of some help, and as much as they wish they did more, natural treatments do not cure cancer!

[BeeNee]

@Red_Arrow but what about that one guy he heard about through his cousins friend's aunt's cleaning lady's brother in law's boss that one time who ate some herbs and was cured of cancer. That means everyone can be cured based on that statement alone which constitutes as empirical and quantifiable research and proof said no one ever.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@BeeNee You're far too stupid to reason with

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Red_Arrow I know of many people who have cured cancer, even stage 4 cancer, using natural treatments. But if you weren't so ignorant, you would know that big pharma have no interest in natural cures. You're another brainwashed lemming.

[Red_Arrow]

* Natural meds *
As I just said (but ignorant people have a problem reading) if they could cure cancer and diabetes (among so many diseases), then naturopathic doctors would have published works proving that long ago. They have NO interest in keeping anybody on unnecessary meds, and all the interest in the world in proving that natural methods work, but they have not published any such thing because there is nothing to publish. But logic escapes you! And you still give us that "I know of many people that have been cured" crap without any proof of anybody being cured or of it being without modern medicine. As @BeeNee stated, hearing about one guy through his cousins friend's aunt's cleaning lady's brother in law's boss that one time who ate some herbs and was cured of cancer is worthless "proof, but that is what
knowing of" many people means.

[Red_Arrow]

"You're another brainwashed lemming." No. I am a man who lost my wife to cancer and almost lost my daughter. "Natural" aids were in their treatments and eased their suffering a bit, and may have helped the actual medicines, but they did not cure them. And during those many years of fighting cancer, we investigated many "stories" of natural healing, and knew many people who swore by them or at least believed they would be the cure. They are dead now. So I have definitely been there and know bullshit when it is put forth as gospel on here. If you desire to treat any cancer you get that way, have at it, but spare us the nonsense of calling science and published studies wrong while standing on your soap box screaming "I know of people it worked on." Not even claiming to personally know them, just knowing "of" them. You want to see brainwashed? Look in the mirror!

[BeeNee]

In order to reason with someone, you must come from a place of knowledge and reasoning yourself. 1) Where is your research? Remember you claim this works, not me. The burden of proof lies with you, not the other way round. Researchers around the globe provide years of research daily to those who seek it, yet you cannot provide anything and you are trying "to reason" with others, especially those like myself who have actually lived through life and death situations, as have the other commenter. If you want me to reason with you, back up your statements with actual research and proof. You are claiming they work so well, but you haven't brought forth proof. 2) If you want those to believe you and work with you and understand you, relying on insults and "I know you are but what am I," will never work. Would that work for you if one were trying to convince you of something? No. Real scientists/doctors must present their findings like adults.

[BeeNee]

3) As many have already said to you, including myself, we are willing to meet you half way and we acknowledge natural cures do in fact help sometimes for somethings, but they do not cure all things for everyone all the time. Your vaccinations are case in point. That doesn't strike me as people who do not understand some of your point or your idea of reasoning. 4) You're dealing with real people in real life and death situations. Those are pretty high stakes. You cannot just say "this works," when someone's life is literally on the line without anything to back it up other then some example you heard of or one article you read. I wouldn't put a family members life on the line for more snake oil cures which a lot of families have been told will help them.

You also must be willing to hear the other side or an argument, and you seem to constantly refuse to do so. I would not ever, in good faith, put my or my families life in your hands if you won't even listen or provide proof. Period.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're so ignorant it is depressing. Are you not aware that it is against the law to claim there is a cure for cancer? So how on earth could these cancer cures get published, you thick dimwit? In my years of research, the overwhelming majority of people who use natural treatments make a full recovery, even from stage 4 cancer. Using conventional treatments alongside natural treatments doesn't usually work because the chemotherapy kills the patient. You need to be 100% natural and it will work. I've known far too many people to have cured their cancer naturally to know that you're full of shit.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@BeeNee Like I said to the other idiot, it's illegal to promote natural treatments as a cure, and natural alternative doctors have even been jailed for trying to get the truth out. It's much harder than you think. You keep going on about evidence yet the only evidence you will only accept is something that is published or supported by big pharma. That shows just how stupid you are. For example, suppose a virus came out and infected thousands of people. The medical profession told you that there is no cure, but they could prescribe a prescription drug that would ease the symptoms. But then you come across 100 people who were adamant that they was cured of the virus after taking some natural treatments. Who are you going to believe, big phama who make billions of people's sickness, or will you believe the 100 testimonies? For anyone to claim that multiple testimonies do not count as evidence is very arrogant and short sighted.

[FallOutBoy2001]

It's not illegal to say you have a cure for cancer - what's illegal is to FALSELY say you have a cure for cancer. If you, or anyone else, did scientific research and cold publish a study that others could peer review that showed that you had the cure for cancer, it would be legal

"In my years of research, the overwhelming majority of people who use natural treatments make a full recovery, even from stage 4 cancer." No proof, no links, no studies? It's bullshit and you know it. Anecdotal evidence is incredibly unconvincing and unless you can show me links or proof that they had stage 4, it's bullshit.

[FallOutBoy2001]

" Using conventional treatments alongside natural treatments doesn't usually work because the chemotherapy kills the patient. You need to be 100% natural and it will work. I've known far too many people to have cured their cancer naturally to know that you're full of shit." So wait, all of my relatives and friends who are now alive and cancer-free are a miracle, and the one who died from only using natural medication, is an anomaly? Give me a fucking break,

"yet the only evidence you will only accept is something that is published or supported by big pharma." No. The evidence I will take is non-anecdotal evidence, reviewed by a non-biased group of scientists, like any other claim people tell me I should believe

[FallOutBoy2001]

"For example, suppose a virus came out and infected thousands of people. The medical profession told you that there is no cure, but they could prescribe a prescription drug that would ease the symptoms." Except that's a shitty example. "big pharma' makes many different drugs that cure diseases, not just alleviate the symptoms, and historically they're come out with the cure as fast as possible.

"But then you come across 100 people who were adamant that they was cured of the virus after taking some natural treatments. Who are you going to believe, big pharma who make billions of people's sickness, or will you believe the 100 testimonies?" I'd believe big pharma. People, unfortunately, have a predisposition to make shit up and a little thing known as the placebo effect. That's why studies need to be done first.

"For anyone to claim that multiple testimonies do not count as evidence is very arrogant and short sighted." or a rational person who insists on tests or studies being run.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're ignorance is pitiful. It is 100% illegal to claim that any natural treatment can cure cancer, which is why the studies can never be published, you stupid human being. And yes, there is evidence. Multiple testimonies and the fact that the human body is designed to heal itself when the immune system is strong.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're so brainwashed it is depressing, and the rest of what you said is a pack of lies. I will continue to spread the information of natural cures to people, especially women suffering from cancer, as I know countless women who cured their cancer using natural treatments, even when they were told they had no chance of survival. I will continue to give women this information and let them know that cancer can be cured. Only stupid people like you will continue to be brainwashed by the white coats.

[FallOutBoy2001]

"Multiple testimonies and the fact that the human body is designed to heal itself when the immune system is strong." No and no. Testimonies are shit unless backed by studies, and the immune system is fickle, and cancer is a sneaky bastard.

Now, I hope you die from some easily curable disease. It means your idiocy and willful ignorance die with you, and from something modern medicine could have cured

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Testimonies are not shit. And I told you, but you're too thick to understand, that doctors have been put in prison for trying to publich the evidence. It's illegal, you thick dimwit. Cancer can easily be cured and I've come across so many people who have done it. I even know a woman who cured stage 4 skin cancer in 6 weeks and 5 years later she is still cancer free. But you're only 15 years old. You're still a kid. You know nothing. Just a brainwashed sheep and a liar.

[JCB314159]

" And I told you, but you're too thick to understand, that doctors have been put in prison for trying to publich the evidence. It's illegal, you thick dimwit." As Carl Sagan famously said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Please show us your evidence.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JCB314159 If you had a brain you would know that you can't provide such evidence over a internet forum. Get off your own lazy ass and do your own research.

[Waffles731]

How about this, you can stop taking medication and trusting medicine but when you die from treatable illness and cancer and meet god, he can call you an idiot

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sounds like you are the idiot.

[Rawrzz]

I can't help but notice that you continually, throughout the comments section, appeal to logical fallacy as a means to defend your positions. It's the same sort of reasoning people use for ghosts and demons and psychics. Continually readjusting the parameters of why evidence is unable to be found, bordering on magical thinking.

e. g. "Why aren't there studies showing this?"
"The studies are suppressed."

I forget the name of the logical fallacy, but it's "Someone benefits, therefore they are the reason." Not necessarily the case.

While it's totally rational assumption within the confines of a capitalist system based on profit, it's only a possibility: not a certainty. You need proof.

I fully recommend a lecture course by Doctor Steven Novella. Your Deceptive Mind: A Scientific Guide to Critical Thinking Skills. Pretty damn expensive (but there are ways around that). I think that's the one.

As humans, we are capable of rational thought, but very predisposed towards cognitive flaws and pitfalls

[JenSCDC]

Not to mention that without some sort of unnamed "evidence" we have to consider that any work published by experts working for reputable organizations is just a bunch of lies.

[NearlyNapping]

There is a serious lack in medical knowledge. There is also a serious lack in studies in nutrition.

But this is not the answer, not even close. A very small number of these things are well known and work to some extent. Many are meh. Much is total BS. Some can be downright harmful.

There is one very huge problem with this. If everyone did it, a large majority of people in the world would die. That's because it's not possible to feed the world's population by "natural" gardening. Advanced science and technology are the ONLY reason why we are able to feed as many people as we do.

So growing some of your own food is great. Growing all of it is very difficult, but doable, depending on where you live. But for everyone to do it is impossible.

I have an older book similar to the one advertised. If you dig through it, it claims that just about any plant has multiple medicinal properties. That's total BS. Even the majority of the ones that do have some legit properties, the effectiveness is so low as to be almost worthless, not to mention possible side effects.

A book like that may have some slight value. It can be a starting point for doing further research. But to assume that ANYTHING in that book is legit without extensive further research is seriously irresponsible. You could do a lot better with a few clicks on the internet.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sorry, but you are dead wrong.

[NearlyNapping]

No I'm not. This is about 95% pseudoscience. There is nothing new about these kind of claims. Most have been around forever. I've studied it myself since before you were born.

And the part about not everyone can do this is absolutely true. The vast majority of the population are dependent on technology to stay alive.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Again, you are wrong.

[JenSCDC]

@Love_Is_Eternal, how do you expect to convince him of anything if you don't give any evidence?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Because common sense is all you need. Who is more likely to become obese with heart disease, someone who eats hot dogs and donuts all day and sits on the sofa, or someone who eats organic fruits and vegetables and gets plenty of exercise? Do you not have common sense? Why does everything have to be based on hard evidence when ou can just use common sense?

[JenSCDC]

Because common sense is often wrong.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Sure, so eating a pizza is more healthy than eating an apple. Could I be wrong lol?

[JenSCDC]

I've in complete agreement with you that people could take better care of themselves. However, you don't limit your claims to that.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC What's wrong with my claims?

[JenSCDC]

A. You give no evidence to back them up.
B. Refuting them is trivial.
C. You've given us no reason to believe that anything you say is based in reality.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Not true. The human body is designed to heal itself if the immune system is strong. Almost every moron knows this, even doctors. I guess you don't.

[JenSCDC]

Yes, there is a good reason for the immune system. But why does that mean that drugs don't work?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I'm not saying no drugs work. Obviously things like pain killers work, and some others. What I'm saying is that most diseases can't be cured with drugs. Doctors even tell you that they don't cure disease, they MANAGE disease.

[JenSCDC]

Being able to effectively manage a disease is proof than modern medicine works. Sure, an outright cure would be great, but making a disease stop being an overwhelming burden is a huge victory.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC No it ain't, especially when they do more harm than good.

[Anonymous]

Then please go on and explain childhood cancer or genetic abnormalities to me?
Why do healthy parents have sick children when the child hasn't been stressed or affected by environmental factors?
Your reasoning is flawed. While food and environmental factors do affect our health, there are many more reasons we get sick.
If nature alone could heal us we would have thrived centuries ago. But we have only found cures to many fatal diseases in recent years after discovering antibiotics and vaccination.
Unlike your feeling that tells you humans are getting sicker every day, fact is as we grow older and live longer our cells have to endure more. A life expectancy of 80+ hasn't been normal in human history ever! Up until 70 years ago life expectancy would be around 60. So a lot of cancers and cardiovascular disease thatbare typical for this age range would never even have a chance to happen.
If you decide to preach to us, you should first correct your statistics by giving a weight to our advancing age and the growing population!

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sorry, you are wrong. Today people are getting cancer at an earlier age. More children are also getting brain tumors and autism. Most likely from the vaccines. The rest of what you said was utterly stupid and ignorant, I can only get depressed at how brainwashed some people are.

[Opinion Owner]

Ao you are telling me childhood mortality is actually higher now?
😂
Well looks like I'm not the idiot here.
You are an extrimist who is convinced he is right. And no word or reasoning will help guide you.
Good luck on your way to your death bed.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

So you don't deny that people are getting cancer at an earlier age. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol.
I am not arguing with you because you don't know how to interpret statistics.
You can't explain statistics to people who don't have some education on data analysis which you clearly don't have.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Again, thanks for agreeing with me.

[JenSCDC]

"You can't explain statistics to people who don't have some education on data analysis". I disagree. Why your explanation certainly won't be rigorous, if you know your stuff you should be able to explain the basic principles to someone, e. g. it's possible to explain what a confidence interval is without saying the words "standard deviation".

[Opinion Owner]

@JenSCDC everyone starts at 0. But I'm no teacher and I already told him he needs to correct his statistics for different factors. Maybe you'd like to give him a crash course. Feel free to use your own commen.

[Righttobeararms83]

https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0
Your both wrong there are some brilliant homeopathic doctors saving lives in Britain right at this moment.

[jacquesvol]

@Love_Is_Eternal you're just guessing (or parroting antivaxers)

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@jacquesvol yawn!!!

[jacquesvol]

@Righttobeararms83 Homeopathy is just an expensive placebo.
www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/.../

You might as well use voodoo or witchcraft.

[jacquesvol]

I knew a girl who died from childhood cancer at 11, some 55 years ago. Genetic abnormalities aren't knew. They often appear after incest: look at European noble families, which were all blood connected and often had genetic abnormalities.
Other genetic abnormalities happen because of a non matching Rhesus factor. A "hare lip" (cleft palate) is as old as mankind. The first child of a couple with non matching Rhesus factors isn't at risk, but it creates antibodies in the mother which put following children at risk.
Nothing new.

[jacquesvol]

*Edit: Genetic abnormalities aren't new.
typo

[jacquesvol]

@Righttobeararms83 And, Yes, placebos work.

[bcromartie]

"I don't know what it's like in every western country, but over here in the UK people are getting sicker."

Citation required.

"Mental illness, digestive disorders, auto immune diseases, cancer, heart attacks etc are increasing. "

Citation required.

"Another problem is that sick people are having to wait much longer to get an appointment. Usually weeks."

Non-sequitur?

"But from the time of its founding in 1948, the British National Health Service has allowed – and, depending on which party is in power, promoted – a private insurance market."

(https://thehealthcareblog. com/blog/2012/01/16/the-awkward-world-of-private-insurance-in-the-uk/)

I knew this but ultimately whether it takes "weeks" or not is actually a choice rather than an NHS failure. It's just many people in Britain approve of the system:

"n Great Britain, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (43%) is consistent with satisfaction with quality (42%). In Canada, satisfaction with access to affordable healthcare (57%) is slightly higher than satisfaction with quality (52%). But the most dramatic variation in satisfaction with these two facets of the healthcare system occurs in the United States, where only 25% are satisfied with the availability of affordable healthcare, but 48% are satisfied with quality."

(https://www. gallup. com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada. aspx)

Hence why private insurance isn't widely popular rather than some Communist/Socialist enforced policy.

"Not only that, but people are told that there is no cure for their disease and that diseases just happen and nothing can be done to cure or prevent them. This is a big lie."

Citation required.

"The truth is this: diseases don't just fall out of the sky. People cause their illness, either through stress or bad eating habits."

(thinks of genetic diseases instantly but doesn't say a thing)

Citation required.

So, hook us up?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

I see, another one who can'tuse common sense. Where is your evidence that men commit rape more than women. By your logic, if something cannot be backed up by citations, then it should not be believed. Almost every moron knows that diseasdes have increased over the last few decades. Look how many people are on drugs compared to a few decades ago. You naive sheep.

[bcromartie]

The problem with that assertion is that you presume (ironically) that doctors are legitimately making accurate diagnoses and that this explains an increase in medications that people are prescribed.

If what you said is true however, that doctors are a sham, there should be a rigid disconnect between the amount of medications offered and prescribed and the amount of diseases. As a matter of fact using "common sense" you should see a steady rate of disease, not more, and then a significantly greater prescription rate, showing the disproportionate misuse of drugs.

To be honest whether you're "trolling" or not this would be an interesting discussion but you do need some form of evidence as a basis because your own logic you just presented defeats itself.

"There MUST be more diseases IF there are more prescriptions!" is just obviously not true.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sorry, none of what you said made any sense.

[bcromartie]

No problem.

[Curmudgeon]

That's just it. Health Care in the United States is top-notch. The problem is at what price.

[Anonymous]

I think you have to learn to not deal in extremes. Diabetes for example, does not get better if you stop taking insulin. Many mental disorders do not improve by ignoring medications, and on down the line. Look, I've been there. I once believed that doctors might be a bunch of money hungry individuals more in love with my dollar, then helping me to get better, so I went off medication for my condition for an entire year. I exercised (still do) religiously. I cut soda, cut out all junk food, cut back on my meat consumption, ditched dairy, I didn't drink... I f--king grew my own corn and tomatoes and herbs in my backyard.

I was as healthy as one could expect in my mind, but the truth was, I wasn't. Over time, my illness only got worse and worse until I was hospitalized all in the name of trying to do things naturally. Now I'm back on medication, and instead of being sick 24/7 and being in and out of hospitals I'm able to live a normal life again, taking medication. This is not some f--king "choice," I made. This became life and death because I tried to do things naturally. Either I continued to live in lala land and succumb to my illness over time, or I could take medication... and I took the medication.

One cannot deny the power of drinking water, and healthy exercise, and cutting stress... and I DO agree with you, that that can help a lot of people with a lot of conditions, especially when it comes to obesity, but throwing a blanket statement over everyone and claiming that we should all decide that doctors and their medical interventions are useless, is putting a lot of people at risk and is not advisable for many people like myself and others because essentially what that does is advocate for doing nothing about your health and just "hoping" everything will be fine when with a lot of conditions, this makes it much worse if it's not treated and in fact can lead to your death.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Fine, believe what you want, but you're still wrong.

[JenSCDC]

So you're saying that insulin doesn't work?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I'm saying the rest of your info is wrong because I know of many people who have cured diabetes type 2 using natural treatments.

[Righttobeararms83]

https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0
No he's on to something

[Opinion Owner]

I'm sorry, were you there in the hospital room with me while I was on my death bed from lack of taking my medications, because I sure as hell was. Don't speak to what you have no clue about, and at this point that is more than evident. I have agreed with you to the point where I have said that certain illnesses... like many side effects of obesity, can be cured with air and water, and exercise, but they do not solve anything. Everybody f*cking knows someone who was miraculously cured when they woke up one morning and their disease was gone, but that doesn't work for everyone and if you aren't living the way the other half is living, then don't pretend like you know anything or that people are wrong. Natural cures work for SOME PEOPLE and SOME ILLNESSES. I am living proof, as are a lot of people with my illness, that air and water don't work and aren't just choices we make.

[Opinion Owner]

And by the way, doctors don't just study "chemical intervention." Their are surgical doctors who save lives every single day. My friend was 14 with a heart condition. Skinny as a bean. His condition had nothing to do with obesity or any choices he made. Simply born with it, the way I was born with my illness, and those with Diabetes. You cannot cure Diabetes 1 with a few workouts my friend. You cannot cure heart valve issues by simply eating a salad. You can not cure Schizophrenia, by just hoping it will go away by drinking water. What you seem to keen to talk about it obesity, not these other glaring pot holes in your mytake. I mean, by all means, explain to me how a baby with Type I Diabetes... caused their own illness or that was a choice?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Almost every disease can be cured through healthy living. As of yet I know of no cure for diabetes type 1, but tpe 2 can be easily cured, so can cancer and heart disease and almost any other illness. Prescription drugs do a lot of harm and do not cure disease. How many diseases do doctors actually cure with drugs? Hardly none.

[Opinion Owner]

I notice you conveniently didn't answer my question.

[Opinion Owner]

Also, if natural "cures" cured everything like cancer and heart disease, why are there people who have taken a holistic approach who have died from their diseases and illnesses? You have yet to explain how people with hereditary conditions caused... by your logic... their own illnesses and diseases or how they had a choice in the matter as you are so inclined to trumpet as "the reason" they are sick.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Based on my research almost everyone who uses natural treatments makes a full recovery. The people who end up dead are often people who also used conventional treatment alongside natural treatments, or people who left it far too late, at the last minute. One thing I do know is that if you rebuild the immune system the body will heal itself. No doctor can deny that the body is designed to heal itself. It all comes back to the immune system. And most hereditary conditions are not hereditary. This is another hoax. There are some, but most are not.

[JenSCDC]

"Based on my research" which you refuse to share with us.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Yes, it would take hours and hours. Get off your own lazy ass and educte yourself.

[Opinion Owner]

Says the person who spelled "educate" incorrectly. You forget, YOU are the one trying to convince us of your POV, and refusing to provide actual evidence or statistics or proof or articles is a tale tell sign, you don't have any. A take written by you claiming that... um... how did you put it... everyone in the world can heal their own bodies naturally if only from birth essentially, they only ever eat and do things in a natural way, based on "some stories you heard." It's laughable! And STILL you have not explained how a baby born with a heart condition has "caused" that condition or how they made a choice to be sick and not have a functioning heart, or the person born with Diabetes. You can't answer those questions because to do so, would open up the cracks in your crackpot theory that people are solely causing their demise.

[Opinion Owner]

Right now, at this very moment, I can almost be assured that you have been the recipient of a multitude of vaccines in your life meant to prevent illness and disease and we know FOR FACT that not taking these can leave you absolutely vulnerable to horrible diseases for which "waiting around and seeing" are not viable cures. "I think" everyone can be cured of everything... is not actual fact, especially with no hard evidence, as in studies of various populations around the world/all age groups, etc. "I heard" my friend got cured... also... not applicable to an entire population of people because a sample size is not one person, nor is it 20, when it comes to talking about the entire world. Natural goes a long way, but it does not cure everything, it does not prevent ever single illness on the planet. It can help a lot of things, but it isn't the be all end all in the same exact way, that neither is medication for everything all the time either. This is why I say, there is balance...

[Opinion Owner]

... to be had. There is room for both medicine and holistic approaches to health. If you can't explain with any real logic or proof why someone who lives out on a farm eating farm fresh living a stress free life still gets cancer anymore than you can explain why someone who smokes and drinks and lives a fast life, never gets cancer... there is an entire range of understanding that must happen when it comes to marrying the two... medicine and holistic approaches, and that depends on the person, and the situation, and the health, age, etc, of that person. You need to further educate yourself, and actually go do some real life research on patients both in and out of medicine if you intend to have an actual understanding and real workable knowledge of health care outside of "I read a book someone recommended," and therefore I know everything about everyone on the planet. That is arrogance at its finest my friend.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Vaccines don'tprevent diease, they cause autism and brain cancer. And there afre many cures for cancer. Get off your lazy ass and go educate yourself.

[Opinion Owner]

So you've arrived at the immature point of name calling because you have nothing more to say and no actual evidence or proof of anything other than anecdotal things and hearsay and one entire book you've read on the subject. You've also gone into the world of fantasy where vaccines don't prevent disease. Vaccines do in fact, prevent disease. Why don't you go online and do a little research since you are so keen on telling everyone else to when you have not in fact, done so yourself.

And again, let's go into the world I live in where facts are a thing. Do you know how many people across the globe including yourself have been vaccinated? Do you have brain cancer? Do you have autism? Even eating carrots grown from the soil can make the occasional person sick, as do certain medications and vaccines.

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing is perfect which you so foolishly believe to be true about all things natural. Your own theory isn't even supported by you, because you and a high percentage of the people in the UK and around the world have been vaccinated and have neither cancer nor autism... but I bet you know one person and so therefore everyone including yourself has to get it right? Is that how it works? One person = everyone. If all you can do is name call and not back anything up except to say go look it up because there is nothing to look up that is based on fact or evidence or stats that can be proved on a global scale, because you are claiming globally natural cures solve everything, then by all means, continue to live the fantasy where air treats cancer, diabetes, brain tumors, lice, HIV, hereditary conditions, just everything because you read ONE book.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're still wrong

[Opinion Owner]

but only in your mind, so that doesn't count.

[TheFlak38]

Come on mate, you're smarter than this.
If you catch a cold and go to the pharmacy and buy every medicine and every pill and swallow them all together then you can say good bye to your immune system and yes you wil alwys be sick. Drugs are not something that is created overnight by some crazy scientist who jumps from one "Eureka" to the other. It takes time.
They test the drugs on patients. Many different patients for a long time and the medications are made of plants that can be used as medicine so what's your problem all of you who agree? So when I extracted my wisdom teeth and got swollen cheeks like you have never seen before because of an infection I had back there in the mouth, I would choose some plants from the wilderness to heal myself, instead of the medications that my doctor offered me and healed me in less than a week with much better safety and accuracy.
This reminds me of another article I have posted here.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27646-technophobes-wake-up-the-truth-about-genetically-modified-food

[darkfoxjj]

Today people (in the west) live longer than they have ever done. And it is expected they will continue to live for longer and longer. Perhaps even 150 years.
Butttt, they will then have to live with more and more chronic diseases.

This is because of advances in medicine.

Of course preventing the disease from occuring is the best strategy to beat disease. So yesss people should live healthy.
Homeopathy has not been widely accepted to be a scientific alternative to western medicine.

By the way doctors also study the healthy working body. And they know in general what are good things to be doing and what not. But no they will not know everything, noone does.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Based on my reasearch the medical profession kills more people than it saves, due to overprescribed drugs and unneccessary surger, and medical errors etc.

[darkfoxjj]

In Northwestern EU countries the healthcare is top notch, drugs are not overprescribed.

You are being very vague in your definition etc.

In a lot of other countries drugs are indeed overprescribed. It doesn't kill people though, it will make it tougher to fight the bacteria that cause disease though.

[Curmudgeon]

In Northwestern EU countries populations are much more homogenous, so they have less of a spectrum of medical problems with which to deal. At least for now, that is.

[Username678]

Your “research “ was done on people requiring a complicated surgery, of course they will die. Don’t just read the text, analyse it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, you can treat lesser evils like a fever, a cold or lifestyle-influenced diseases purely with plants but not even plants can actually cure cancer. They can lessen the symptoms but I'm not aware of a case where plant medicine managed to cure cancer.
Modern medicine is one of the big reasons why humans as a race are still alive. Many old deathly diseases no longer exist because of vaccines, antibiotics, etc. All you're talking about in your take is the effects an unhealthy lifestyle in whatever form is going to have on your body and that is indeed your decision. However, that's not a flaw in medicine itself but how we're shaping our environment. In case you want to know, last year, the measles (very dangerous for young children, can easily end DEATHLY) started spreading in kindergartens in Berlin because some idiots decided it was a good idea to not vaccinate their kids. Surprise, one child actually died. Medicine is not evil, it safes lives.

[Rawrzz]

At the same time, not all medicine is good, either. Just listening to a commercial about some psychotheraputic drug. Like 75% of the commercial is talking about the side effects. "May cause premature death," etc. And in that really happy voice, too. We do tend to overperscribe many types of medications due to Big Pharma's profit margins, often treating people who do not need to be treated.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

First of all there are mamny cures for cancer and there have been alternative doctors in America who use to cure cancer using specific herbs, but the government and big pharma had them shut down. Also there is no evidence that vaccines save lives. A good argument can be made that vaccines cause autism and brain tumors in children. There's a reason there's been a big rise in children getting autism and brain cancer. It's quite shocking how easily women are brainwashed by the medical profession.

[Rawrzz]

Nununu. A bad argument can be made about vaccines causing autism. Medicines aren't all evil, either. Shit, have you ever tried cocaine? Or MDMA?

I'm only half joking. But, ya know, emergency doctors also use medicines.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Rawrzz Big rise in vaccines, big rise in autism. Go figure.

[Rawrzz]

Correlation doesn't imply causation. It's one of the foundations of statistics. A correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other. I'm totally with you on the health benefits of eating proper food and using herbs instead of medicine where possible, but I think default demonizing all medicine is a mistake.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Rawrzz I'm not demonizing ALL medicine.

[JenSCDC]

"I'm not demonizing ALL medicine." Could have fooled us.

[JenSCDC]

"Big rise in vaccines, big rise in autism. Go figure." Vaccines have been shown to not cause autism. But wait, you won't accept that, because was shown using studies that used hard evidence analyzed using statistical methods. Plus, no one has ever proven that all those peer reviewed articles are accurate. What could I have possibly been thinking?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Since there's been more vaccines, autism has sky rocketted. So has brain timors in children. You're a liar and a fraud

[FallOutBoy2001]

Correlation does not equal causation

[Opinion Owner]

Hello, it's me again. There is NO CORRELATION between vaccines and autism, it's a well-researched topic and there is practically no medical evidence that would suggest that those two are related in any way.
I'm very much aware about the effect some bioactive components in plants can have on cancer cells but the research behind it is still very shaky and the results are very unpredictable, since they work only in some cases and many "cancer-curing" components have only been tested on animals, so we don't know if they work on humans yet. And yes, I am female but I'm also on my way to become part of the medical profession, I know what I'm talking about. I guess you're not only clueless but also sexist.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You're only repeating what you have been brainwashed to believe. Autism has increased since vaccines have increased. It's just the medical profession will never be honest about this. There aremany cures for cancer but big pharma have no interest in natural cures, as they do not make enough money. And you say I'm sexist? Sue me :)

[Curmudgeon]

@Rawrzz You do understand that long disclaimers are required to prevent getting sued, right?

[Rawrzz]

@Curmudgeon I do understand that. What's your point?

[Fathoms77]

Doctors know disturbingly little about health. As in, shockingly little.

They're good for surgery and that's about it. If I break my leg or I need a transplant or something like that, I respect their ability to fix me. But treating every possible ailment, from a freakin' hangnail to the common cold, with medication, is idiotic, and one of the surest ways to either A. become reliant or addicted to meds, or B. just get sicker, or both.

It's certainly no coincidence that most medication has a myriad of side effects that other medications seek to stop... business is business, after all. Take one, need another. For the most part, just about any suffering is best tackled with natural/homeopathic cures, and that does include major diseases like cancer, in fact.

[Red_Arrow]

What is one natural/homeopathic cure for a blood cancer or a brain tumor? How about one for diabetes? Bipolar disease?
Even using supplements to aid medical cures often counteracts the medical benefits. I saw CoQ10 touted for protecting good cells while fighting cancer cells, but even a quick look showed it would be damaging. Several months after I figured that myself, studies came out showing how they were harmful to the treatment.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Red_Arrow Diabetes type 2 can be cured either through very strict diet or eleotin tea. For cancer you just need to rebuild your immune system or take natural cancer cures.

[Righttobeararms83]

Doctors specialise now. You get better treatment that way. I talked to an old indian doctor who used to live near us about it when the local hospital was being closed down. He said that in the hospital he used to do every medical procedure and threat every aliment. He said that for instance he used to reset broken bones most were set back right but he could never have done it as well in a million years as a specialist who does only that.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Righttobeararms83 But you can't cure diseases using prescritpion drugs. Natural treatments are better and they can be free.

[JenSCDC]

"just about any suffering is best tackled with natural/homeopathic cures" The only thing homeopathy even vaguely works for is increasing the rate of natural selection, and it doesn't even work too well for that.

[JenSCDC]

"For the most part, just about any suffering is best tackled with natural/homeopathic cures, and that does include major diseases like cancer, in fact." Please cite some of the massive number of peer reviewed studies that show homeopathy cures cancer.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Peer review studies are controlled by the medical profession and governments. So you know very well that we cannot provide these. But there are numerous testimonies that I can give you, but we both know you will reject them as "untrustworthy."

[JenSCDC]

Then why don't you conduct your own rigorous study? Let me guess- you'll just say that sound research methodology is just a plot to keep people from knowing the truth.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I go by multiple testimonies and common sense. If you go by what big pharma tells yoi then you are beyond help.

[JenSCDC]

Statistics is how people show that what they think they know is actually correct.

[Righttobeararms83]

@JenSCDC yep he's right maze can cure cancer.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Statsitics first need to be proven to be accurate and truthful

[Red_Arrow]

"Diabetes type 2 can be cured either through very strict diet or eleotin tea." Nope! Type 2 Diabetes can be "treated" by diet to make it less problematic, but the disease remains, and diet alone may not be enough to keep levels safe in the body. And for Type 1, medication is absolutely needed. And your suggestion of just rebuilding the immune system to treat cancer is totally ignorant. Many people with the strongest immune systems get cancer because the immune system does not target most cancers. In fact, it does not even recognize many cancers as a problem. "Natural cancer cures"? Getting deeper into ignorance. Some natural things may help some cancers, but for most cancers "natural" does nothing.

[Red_Arrow]

@Righttobeararms83 - What in the world are you talking about? "yep he's right maze can cure cancer." A maze is a confusing path that one can get lost in. Are you thinking of something else? Even so, there is no sure cure for all cancers, not even medicine.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Red_Arrow I know of a few people who have cured type 2 diabetes with a strict diet and I know of many people who have cured their cancer, even stage 4 cancer, either by rebuilding their immune systems or using natural treatments, so what you've just said is nothing but ignorant drivel.

[Fathoms77]

@JenSCDC There are dozens of studies now showing the benefits of using homeopathy and other alternative forms of medicine for treating cancer and other serious diseases. Just do some research on Google.

My family has been involved in that field for 35 years. At first, back in the '80s, when uninformed people still said silly things like... well, like what you just said, it was hard to convince anyone that the horrid medications Western medicine was forcing on us weren't always the best option. These days, doctors actually send people to us and to naturopaths for supplemental treatment. Western medicine is finally starting to catch up to the rest of the world and realize that that which ails us can very often be treated if not cured by that which surrounds us. And at a fraction of the cost and without the side effects that are often worse than the disease itself.

We've even had people whose doctors said their case was "hopeless" and those people are still walking around today.

[Fathoms77]

This, by the way, includes people suffering from serious Stage 3 and even Stage 4 cancers whose doctors had given up. Those patients are alive today because of alternative medicine and homeopathy. In fact, some of the best cancer doctors in the world have long since seen the value here and for a patient's long road to possible recovery, they're prescribing a blend of conventional and alternative/homeopathic medicine. And without the latter, the former sometimes doesn't even work, or at least not work as well.

You need to do some research, seriously.

[Righttobeararms83]

https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0

[Phoenix98]

Western medicine isn't the problem it's the companies that make the drugs and medicine that is the problem they don't care about making you better only making a profit. If everyone is cured and healthy there's no profit.

But with that being said I do believe in natural remedies as well for instance Chinese herbs and roots, flowers etc have a long history of being able to cure numerous aliments, green tea and other forms of tea help combat mental diseases which is why things like Alzheimer's is almost none existence in China.

[Curmudgeon]

The point is that there will always be death, and there will always be efforts to extend life and improve the quality of it while living. "Live like you will die one day, because you will..."

And those individuals and corporations who make breakthroughs here deserve to be handsomely rewarded.

As for modern diseases, the realities are that Alzheimer's and cancers were less of a cause of death back in the days when many people were being cut down by polio and influenza before they even had the chance to develop Alzheimer's and have their cancers grow.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Curmudgeon No true, because in recent deacdes there has been a huge increase in young adults, children, and even babies getting cancer. This was unheard of 100 years ago. And this bullshit myth that people today are living longer. Really? My grandma's grandparents lived to almost 90 years old, and that was many decades ago.

[Curmudgeon]

Sorry, on average, people are living longer. This is in large part why the "Social Security" and "Medicare" old age pension and health plans, which are taxes upon the younger to fund and care for the retired, are going bust, along with declining birth rates. Median life expectancy has gone from 62 in 1935 to about 80 now.

Your ancestors may have been hardy, lucky, affluent or all three, but in the 1890's (your great great grandparents time?) median life expectancy was 49.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Curmudgeon Like I said, today there has been a big rise in young adults, children, and even babies getting cancer. So you can't use the excuse of "people many years ago didn't live long enough to get cancer." And when it comes to people living longer, it depends what time period you go back to. You could go back hundreds or a few thousand years and find people living in a certain location who were living over 100 years of age.

[JenSCDC]

"But treating disease with drugs is not the answer."

Golly gee, you mean those antibiotics didn't actually cure my MRSA infection? You mean those medications I take every day for my bipolar are a waste and it's just a total coincidence that if I don't take them I feel like crap? Wow, the things you learn from random idiots on the internet.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sounds like you're far too brainwashed to reason with.

[JenSCDC]

Just how does knowing that antibiotics work make me brainwashed?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Because it sounds like you believe that prescription drugs are the best way to treat diseases.

[JenSCDC]

"I don't know what it's like in every western country, but over here in the UK people are getting sicker". Nope. Quite the opposite in face. In the UK there has been a trend of mortality improvement, i. e. people are living longer. The same is true for the US. Here's a source for the UK:

www.ons.gov.uk/.../chapter4mortality2014basednationalpopulationprojectionsreferencevolume

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Not true. In the early 1900's cancer rates was 1 in 33. Now it's 1 in 2 to 1 in 3. Plus there has been a big increase in digestive disorders and auto immune diseases and lots of other illnesses.

[JenSCDC]

If people are getting sicker then why are they living longer?

As for increases in the rates of specific diseases, have you considered that it could be because people aren't dying of other diseases?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Who toldyou that people are living longer? My grandmas grandparents lived to almost 90. And back then nowhere nearas many diseases existed as they do today, so I don'tknow who is feeding you these myths. Oh, the government and big pharma lol.

[JenSCDC]

Besides the source I gave for the UK? Well, there's the CDC: www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db88.htm

Then there's the life insurance industry, i. e. the companies whose profits depend on estimating mortality correctly:
www.google.com/url

www.soa.org/.../...h-global-mortality-improve.aspx

[Love_Is_Eternal]

And can you provide evidence that these sources are genuine? You need to be able to prove them, not just quote them. I ask this because my grandmas grandparents lived to nearly 90, and even in the 18th century you can find people that lived to their 80's. So please provide evidence that these sources are accurate.

[JenSCDC]

"I ask this because my grandmas grandparents lived to nearly 90, and even in the 18th century you can find people that lived to their 80's." We're talking about populations, not individuals, and you won't find one knowledgeable person who would question my sources. Just why do think my sources aren't accurate? What motivation would they have to lie about mortality improvement?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Simple: they want you to believe that people are living longer as a result of medical drugs. The truth is, the medical profession is the biggest cause of death in the western world. Prescription drugs have done far more hamr than good.

[JenSCDC]

"Simple: they want you to believe that people are living longer as a result of medical drugs." Why would the sources I gave want to do that?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

[JenSCDC]

Let me put it another way- you're giving us every indication that a) you're a conspiracy theorist and b) that you're a moron. You accuse everyone else of being close minded and brain washed yet when you are presented with strong evidence from multiple reputable sources you refuse to accept it, making up a ridiculous excuse not to. In fact, you actually disparage my desire for "hard evidence".

And despite all that, you still think you can convince us of anything?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Ok, first get your brain in gear and try to take in what I'm going to tell you: Quoting sources or citations that come from the government or the medical profession or the mainstream etc is NOT evidence. You haven't provided a single iota of evidence that shows these sources to be true. Any half-wit can quote sources. It proves, NOTHING. Only a naive zombie would take what the government or big pharma says as fact. You need to prove that your sources are true, because most people know that the government lies.

[JenSCDC]

You're just giving more evidence that you're a conspiracy theorist.

[JenSCDC]

Um, just which of my sources is "big pharma"?

[JenSCDC]

"You need to prove that your sources are true, because most people know that the government lies." Please give examples of the CDC lying.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

One of your sources is from the goverment. Provide the evidence that your sources are true. I bet you can't :)

[JenSCDC]

Doesn't work that way. You're the one who's claiming that the CDC is lying, so the burden is on you to provide evidence that they are. I've already asked you for examples of them lying, but you've conveniently ignored that request.

For that matter did you even bother to read the sources I gave? I'm willing to bet no, because you're the one who's close minded.

Let me put it this way- I'm willing to bet my job that mortality improvement is real, and I'm sure that every single one of my coworkers would do the same. Of course, I do have an unfair advantage- I'm an actuary at a life insurance company, and a large part of my job -much larger than the average actuary- deals with mortality, i. e. I'm smart, well educated, and very, very experienced with the issue. You're none of those.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

No, the burden of proof is on the one trying to convince others that their sources are true.

[JenSCDC]

One other thing- I have a _huge_ financial incentive to show that mortality improvement doesn't exist. Why? Because mortality improvement is accepted in the industry, and if I can show that mortality improvement doesn't exist it would show that I'm a huge asset to my company and I'm sure that my bonus for the year would be massive. So if you have good evidence that mortality improvement doesn't exist, I'm all ears. Please, please, give me the evidence. If what I currently believe turns out to be wrong, yeah, my ego will probably be a bit bruised, but all that extra money will more than make up for that.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

I'm not claiming to have evidence. The only way to know for sure is to go back in a time machine and see how long people lived. But here's the thing: what time period are you referring to and what location? You can go back thousands of years and come across time periods where people lived longer or died younger. Your sources are complete and total bullshit if you can't back them up with evidence.

[JenSCDC]

If you had actually read the sources I gave, you would know what time period and what location.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

And like I said, your sources are bullshit if you can't prove them to be true.

[JenSCDC]

It's quite revealing that you don't even try to deny that _you_ are so closed minded that you refuse to read evidence that might show that you're wrong.

Well, it looks like my computer has (finally) finished running that analysis, which means that I've got to get back to work.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

I told you, dimwit, the only way to know for sure is to go back in a rtime machine and see with your own eyes how long people lived. My grandmas grandparents lived to almost 90. If you can't back up your sources with evidence then they don't mean shit.

[JenSCDC]

Or you could simply look at someone's death certificate, which conveniently contains their date of birth.

And the sources I gave _are_ evidence because they're rigorous analyses of the best available data using sound methodology.

[JenSCDC]

Are you still closed minded, or have you finally read the sources I gave?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You first need to proves that the sources are true, which you haven't done.

[Anonymous]

I was going to tell you that all of this is bollocks and that you've been smoking something. Then I remember this nice old lady where I grew up who used to be a well respected doctor. Specialist of some kind too.
She apparently felt much the same way you do, learned about herbs and more natural (as in it does not mess with your body but rather strengthens its own abilities to handle things) cures. Which is what she does to this day.

Now with that confession out of the way she would never tell anyone not to use a doctor if they're really sick. She might have a few remarks about what treatment is correct in the less dire situations though.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

You sound like a moron to me.

[Opinion Owner]

You're an odd little man, yes you are.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

So are you

[Anonymous]

I agree almost entirely. In fact many medications are no better than placebos in treating illness, the Drug companies just keep running the trials over and over again until they get lucky. Not to mention many "drugs" are simply derived from plants, asprin for instance comes from the bark of the Willow Tree, I forget which one but one famous ADHD medication is some form of cocaine. FYI one of my Professors used to work in the pharmaceutical industry, if you ever wonder what heprin is, its rat poison. Granted a smaller dose so it thins blood instead of killing you, but still. I believe we need to improve our culture where eating healthy, exercising, and trying natural and psychological remedies before we attempt medication. Our society is too focused on the profits of drug and insurance companies and not enough on environment, and good health!

[meatballs21]

Stop eating the junk and you're most of the way there.

I for one am not prepared to going back to dying from preventable diseases and easily treatable illnessss just because you think there's some kind of conspiracy by modern medicine.

Drinking "as much water as you (can)" can lead to serious health problems.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Then you are seriously brainwashed and naive and ignorant and will eventually get sick and probably die like so many others.

[meatballs21]

Have fun licking the slime off rocks in your cave before breaking your leg and dying of rampant gangrene.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Have fun being drugged up with all those horrible side effects when you get a serious disease and you are told there is no cure. Thick dimwit.

[JenSCDC]

To say that drinking as much water as you can may lead to serious health problems is an understatement- it can kill you outright. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I never said to do that. I said it was this doctor who told these sick prisoners to do it, and they were healed of their diseases. Now he just tells people to drink sufficient amonts of water every day. You're so stupid it's unreal.

[Righttobeararms83]

From 1915 through 1997, the infant mortality rate declined greater than 90% to 7.2 per 1000 live births, and from 1900 through 1997, the maternal mortality rate declined almost 99% to less than 0.1 reported death per 1000 live births (7.7 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1997) (3) (Figure 1 and Figure 2).

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Not true. More babies died as a result of doctors making errors.

[Righttobeararms83]

More babies died of disease, viruses and infections. You know polio, rubella, meningitis, measiles, scarlet fever, flu, influenza, dysentery, typhoid small pox etc I could go on all day. Basically all those things that everyone forgets about and a modern doctor probably couldn't recognise because he's never seen it in his whole career.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

Not true. More babies died as a result of medical errors and intervention.

[Righttobeararms83]

Nope there went to many "interventions" during the black death and great plague which wiped out half of Europe.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

That was the black death, nothing to do with doctors.

[Righttobeararms83]

Yeah but no one was immunised against, your solution of rubbing maze around the infected sores would be useful.
The amount of children and mothers that would have died in childbirth but were saved (including my wife) thanks to modern medicine and doctors is staggering.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

They have killed more than saved, based on my research. How many disease do doctors actually cure today with prescrioption drugs?

[JenSCDC]

Based on _your_ research. Please enlighten us by explaining your methodology and telling us where you got your data.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC You're far too brainwashed and closed minded to bother with.

[JenSCDC]

How is asking you to explain your research being brainwashed and close minded?

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC Because i've been debating people like u for years and nothing ever convinces you.

[JenSCDC]

You're accusing me of being close minded, so I think it's fair that you show us that _you_ aren't closed minded. Being open minded means that you're willing to admit that you're wrong and reject your current beliefs. So tell us what evidence it would take to convince you that you're wrong.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC If you could prove to me that the human body is NOT designed to heal itself when the immune system is working properly then I would change my beliefs.

[JenSCDC]

Why does an effective immune system imply that drugs don't work?

[Righttobeararms83]

@JenSCDC maybe we could cure disease with maze.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I never said that. Please re-read what I said.

[Righttobeararms83]

You did. Maze is a great natural cure.

[JenSCDC]

In that case, could you state it in another way?

[JenSCDC]

"Not true. More babies died as a result of doctors making errors." Citation, please.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC I told you, citations don'tprove a thing. Hasn't your brain acknowledged this yet?

[Righttobeararms83]

@JenSCDC who needs modern medicine when we have maize, modern medicine is a lie.

[JenSCDC]

How true it is that modern medicine is a lie! _Everyone_ knows that smallpox hasn't been eradicated! How dumb do you have to be to believe the lie that every single government and every single international organization perpetuates? It's so obvious that the mainstream media is covering up those countless smallpox deaths.

And then there's anesthesia- talk about big pharma scamming us! The very concept is outright ridiculous!

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@JenSCDC lol you're so deluded.

[Righttobeararms83]

Delusions can be cured with maize.

[Anonymous]

Do you realise that humans are screwing themselves over as a population, by not allowing the weak to die off. Genetically, we are weakening ourselves and introducing more genetic anomalies.

Yet, despite this, there are ethical issues when it comes to dealing with genetic modifications and human-animal hybrids. I guess those crazy experiments in the early 1930s scared people.

Most advances come at the boundary of ethical.

[Righttobeararms83]

This is true. Even if you take someone with a basic genetic weakness as short eyesight well that person would not be able to survive childhood up until recently in human history let alone pass on their genes. We are eventually going to have to start genetic engineering to weed ut defective genes. Most of the Eugenics done in the 30's in America and Europe was done on bad science, more of assumptions and searching for facts to back up theories rather than letting facts speak for themselves.

[Love_Is_Eternal]

@Righttobeararms83 Well let's hope they start with you first.

[Righttobeararms83]

Yeah maybe they could rub maze around me instead.

[ginny_weasley]

What's another word for alternative medicine?

Natural selection.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Oh my god I'm going to use that more often

[ginny_weasley]

@FallOutBoy2001 great that someone enjoys my morbid sense of humor.

[Waffles731]

Now that was funny

[JCB314159]

I think the sentence "I'm not claiming to have any evidence" says quite a lot about @Love_is_Eternal. Any moron can make idiotic claims when they think they have evidence, but it takes a special type of moron to make idiotic claims when he knows he doesn't have any evidence.

As for everyone else here, remember the maxim "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

[JohnDoe3000]

Have you ever been to a doctor? Because they* WILL tell you if they think your lazy, potato chips crunching, ass is the cause of your problems.

*American doctors are exceptions, but that's not because they choose to be.

[Username678]

As a biomed student I just saw a huge Ebola cow eating people pictured in a poster and you standing behind it, screeming-we don’t want vaccines made of deadly diseases.