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Holland is already a small country. And with our open borders, the refugees just keep coming and coming. If we'd just close our borders, everything would be fine for us. Send them back to where they came from, and let them deal with their own problems.
The crime rate among refugees in Germany is lower than that of the regular German population.
www.politifact.com/.../
I don't understand the point of destroying your house and your family to help out a stranger...
*applauds you*
I appreciate people that get it. Every topic involving the border and immigration can be related to a personal home analogy.
"Walls don't work. I know the human spirit".
Yea, front doors don't work. Take the front and back door off the hinges. I know the human spirit. They're gonna get in either way.
Huh?
@rjroy3 These people saying we have to help those in need, but won't even give a dime to a homeless man, even less open the doors of their house to give them shelter. Bunch of hypocrites.
Don't look at me- I give to charity and I try to give a couple bucks to panhandlers when I run across them. I've even given someone $20 on a couple of occasions.
@JenSCDC I wasn't referring to you, but to 99% of these people who do nothing for people in need.
@JenSCDC
He wasn't talking about you, but you're also comparing giving out money a time or two to sheltering someone. I've personally said we should help by sending them survival aid. Food, water and so on until they can find a place. That's still more than you personally do. You're asking us to take in strangers. It really is this simple. You're saying because you give money to charity that you're not a hypocrite by telling me to take homeless people into my home. When you don't even do that.
The Syrian crisis was basically caused by outside interference from USA , Russia , Turkey , Qatar , Iran and Saudia Arabia. Despite that , those countries refused to have and refugees at all. Those poor people never wanted to leave their homes. they were forced to. but in my opinion to make things more fair , the countries i mentioned should be the only countries that receive refugees.. At least they should pay for their SINS...
Look at a map with Middle East oil resources:
https://i.imgur.com/0efTqYc.gif?1
Mainly the US and it's Arab and EU (UK, Poland, France) allies wanted to do away with Saddam, Khaddafi and Assad, all three connected with the Baath parties and trying to sell their oil through other channels than Wall Street and City corps. The US wanted a military presence near the oil fields. Thus they started fucking up the Middle East. Good for war during decades. And millions of refugees.
The next target is Iran. But to attack Iran, it was impossible to let Iraq and Syria have a stable situation and a full army. You can't attack with a possible enemy in your back.
Thus it ain't over yet. You'll hear a lot of ant Iran propaganda the next years.
Andno, that's not the work of ONE president like G-W Bush and his personal oil interests. It's the work of the Wall Street lobby machine.
The " the Arab Spring" ? Google OTPOR -CANVAS and. Einstein Institute and Gene Sharp.
the Arab Spring
A lot to read and learn from American sources.
You can download handbooks how to start a revolution in about any language here: www.aeinstein.org/.../
www.aeinstein.org is financed by the National Endowment for Democracy. A US govt service.
@jacquesvol thanks for your insightful opinion man. i agree with most of what you said. but i dont agree that the US is going to attack Iran. The Us is making a big profit of the presence of Iran that makes its presence is worth it. the rich gulf state is in great need for the US becoz of Iran. they obey it for that. Look at the arms purchased by them from the US. tens of billions of dollars for arms they don't even know how to use it but buying it out of fears form Iran. The united sates policy is not to wipe Iran but to contain it never let it grow much and never let it fall. that way makes a balance pretty much needed in the US.
LoL , Iam living in the middle east. so i know lots of things that westerners don't know about it.
The OTPOR -CANVAS tactics were first used in Serbia and Poland (Solidarnosc) and were copied from similar actions in Hungary and Czechia in 1955 and 1967-68.
@hero-hero Iran has big oil fields in the Khuzestan region. How long will it take before we start arming some "Khuzestan freedom fighters" ?
They're asking our help: Al-Ahwaz: 90 Years of Occupation and Injustice wewritewhatwelike.com/.../
I'd be astonished if the State Dept and the Pentagon (CIA) weren't active yet, there.
I think you fail to mention the American/Israeli effect of the sad situation in Syria...
it never helps being in an oil rich Nation as we saw previously in the destruction of Iraq
As for refugees, we are all one human race so should look after each other. I remember amidst the Nazi march through Europe in WW2 millions were fleeing and found sanctuary in places like Syria
Memories are very short in the minds of most
Tell that to the Middle Eastern nations nearby that rejected them and refuse to take in refugees. You can go through our history and easily find several times we lead humanitarian efforts and took in people or went out to people who needed our help. Why is this single crisis so important? So important we need to risk the chance of letting in terrorists? Where do we draw the line?
You can't use the same argument over and over and over that we're all humans and have to look out for eachother, when this is one of the few times many people say "No, we don't want to risk helping these people". We helped Japan after the tsunami, the people of Haiti both times they had cataclysmic events. We regularly help our allies in the middle east. We helped other countries with the Ebola outbreak. At what point can we accept a simple "No, not this time"? Where do you personally draw the line? Is there a line?
@rjroy3 Call me a fool idealist but when it comes to the needs of others in a situation like this there never should be discussion of a 'line'. we are all one human race, one big extended family- if I was hungry and had a piece of bread and cheese and you were hungry and had nothing, I was always taught to share half with you
everyone should chip in and help their fellow human
And it is not just on the States, it is on all. I cringe at how reluctant Australia has been to be more open to refugess. Particularly when they have so much space in their country to accommodate them
The sad part of this is it always comes back to the 'colour of their cloth'- ie Muslim. A group of people that have been treated appallingly since 9/11, just look at the tragic Pakistan flood of a decade ago that displaced 5 million that no one knew about and few if any cared to help.
Why?- Muslim Nation
@rjroy3 Even during the tragedy of Katrina, rather than drop all to help out their own citizens the governments main focus was on annexing Iraq's mineral riches
Why?- Black people whose main demographic was low economic standing
Well in regards to Katrina that's just not true. There were people barricaded in and there was no fresh water around. It had to be shipped in for them to drink. So don't throw the racist card around so flippantly.
Second. You're right. That is an idealist fool mindset. I would love to helo everyone who needs it, but not at the cost of my family. I'm not someone who is willing to risk my families safety to help a stranger. And I'm someone who has opened my home to people in need that I didn't know well.
@rjroy3 Not throwing any card around in regards to Katrina, just making the point that the focus was Iraq rather than their own people. With the main focus on what represented most gain/loss. It is a bit like on the World scene in regards to what inspires intervention. Many places have atrocities raging but nothing is done because they represent no gain but a place like Iraq/Syria etc etc on oil reserves, it is all about liberation with little care for the cost
As for you labelling me a 'fool idealist'- guilty as charged :)
But, I always think we can do more for those in need as the Syrian situation depicts
That's exactly what you were doing. You said those people were put on the back burner because they were black. You prescribed intent to actions of others to race. So yes, you're throwing the race card around and you're old enough to know better.
As for the Syria situation you are one of the few. I won't put my family at risk to put your conscience at peace. If you care that much, then go over there to help and volunteer your time.
@rjroy3 More demographics than colour in regards to Katrina- do you disagree that most were from poor backgrounds?
fair call on Syria and my stance, out of interest what makes you not want to put yourself out for Syrians?
That state is less wealthy than others. That's a fact, but that's not what you said. You said it's because they were black and you are old enough to know better than that.
Because there's a reason their surrounding countries are unwilling to do so and other western nations who have taken in refugees are regretting it. If you just watch the news the past few years you can see the difference.
@rjroy3 you are mistake here, as the aforemention reply shows
Even during the tragedy of Katrina, rather than drop all to help out their own citizens the governments main focus was on annexing Iraq's mineral riches
Why?- Black people whose main demographic was low economic standing
I do say 'Black' but put it in context with the last part of 'low economic standing'
Oh, in regard to Syria, it is shameful and on all, already conceded this as well :)
If low economic standing was the highlight "black" would have never been at the forefront of that statement. You pulled the race card. You can beat around the bush and find every justification to say it wasn't, but that's exactly what you did. Many have done so before you on this same topic so you wouldn't be the first. I'm just saying you're old enough to know better than that and you should really just be a man and own it. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but that was what you said.
@rjroy3 We can argue the bounce of the ball in regards to intent but my main focus was on the economic angle in regards to 'gain'. As I previously brought up in other regions that inspire action
But it seems I have offended you in how you have perceived my angle for which i apologise, it was not meant to be related in this manner
ISIS financed it's war by selling oil from coumtries it invaded.
Hitler paid hos oil etc with the bullions of the countries he invaded. Both found buyers.
I feel like your arguments for are overly idealistic and naïve.
Why should the onus be the the west to house these people when the middle east won't even look after their own?
I say no to refugees.
OP, whats your thoughts on the rape spike in Europe due to the refugee influx?
https://i.imgur.com/VKSJukH.png
Like I said, I know I am very pro-refugee and I expect a lot of people to disagree.
I think the spike in rape wasn't that high. I believe it's due to our cultural differneces. If we help the refugees integrate better, I think the rapes will stop. Also, I think dpeorting the ones who commit crime would improve the situation as well.
I lived in Germany for 5 years, they've accepted by far the most refugees in all of western Europe. Their presence hasn't affected me one bit.
"I think the spike in rape wasn't that high. I believe it's due to our cultural differences. If we help the refugees integrate better, I think the rapes will stop:
Can you hear yourself?
How would you feel if the rape victim were your mother, sisters or daughter?
My opinion is subjective, just like everybody elses. I'm not forcing you to agree with me, there's no need to argue :)
You "believe" you it's because of cultural differences, yet you expect them to integrate. You don't see that they are incompatible to our societies. When was the last time you saw muslims integrate to something foreign to their culture? They always integrate the foreign elements to themselves either by blood or outbreeding. You can't be more naive.
@TheFlak38 At least in Germany, the actual numbers show that the crime rate of refugees is actually lower than that of native Germans.
@JenSCDC A 2% of muslims committing 30% of crimes in Germany is not lower than the native 98% of the population, sister. Even I who suck at math can understand that.
Not in the real world.
@TheFlak38 www.dw.com/.../a-18848890
My bad on the lower- I was relying on Politifact's interpretation for that:https://www. politifact. com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-germany-now-riddled-crime-thanks/
@JenSCDC Yeah come on bullshit us with your anti-German fake news sites. These numbers have been released by the police itself on the official German government page. You sit in the US and have the nerve to talk about a "real world". Who? The liberal marxist utopian dreamer.
The people in Europe is suffering from this state enforced invasion, more and more Germans piss off to Hungary and other Eastern European countries, in my city alone we have minimum one armed robbery or sexual assault by Arab savages and you talk about "real worlds". Go live with them if you love them so much. I bet they will welcome you with open arms and respect you.
Meanwhile, in Germany, refugees are making things a living Hell.
https://youtu.be/F-LhfKKgncg@springocelot and @Blitzkrieger nailed it. I also think your "solutions" are based on pure idealism without considering context. Your approach is almost childish in nature.
No wonder how you are over supportive of these "regugees".
@Phoenix98 is helping you get some reality check there. All in all, I've argued this a zillion times here. But it's covered here alright. Cheers
"refugees"
Thank you sir
and I didn't even post the video of like 20 or 30 Muslim immigrants attacking a woman and her child before chasing them into their house and surrounding the house. They had to hold back the Germans in the house from kicking their asses they even brought out a rifle to scare em off with.
And as usual the cops were nowhere in sight.
Actually a refugee stops being a refugee the moment they want to immigrate. I dont believe in feel good politics. I also dont believe in interventionism either. We should stop with intervening in the middle east and its people as well, every economical immigrant should be send back.
I disagree with everything you said. This mindset has brought us in the misery we are in in the first place.
What misery are you talking about?
@JenSCDC in my country alone people from the jewish community fled to israel because they didn't feel safe here despite the government providing millions of euros to secure their buildings and cars as well as provide them with personal bodyguards. they ran away because of the increasing crime rate and because all former european terrorist attacks have been organized from in my country. thats sounds like misery to me. the police stays away from them because they are underfunded. this has major economical conseqences as foreign corporations dont want to invest in our economy due to the terrorists organizing in brussels.
Sounds more like panic to me.
@JenSCDC so terrorism causing our economy to fail is just panic? its misery. many companies are moving to other countries every year and this is most certainly not helping.
That's still just panic. The British got it right in WWII with "Keep calm and carry on".
@JenSCDC thats just stupid propaganda to calm the public. our government needs to stop being so passive. real action needs to be taken. we are damaging all of Europe with our inaction.
Calm is part of what's needed to beat terrorism.
@JenSCDC but action too.
No argument with that.
True. I knew a guy who had a bunch of brothers from Basra, Iraq. Once they got to (east) Europe he asked me to look up ticket prices for them to get to either Germany, Belgium, or Sweden. It was a really weird request. b/c Last I checked refugees don't go forum shopping.
Great responses. I agree to what you're saying here.
Two different cultures don't mix. Where I live that's a proven fact. The U. K has pulled out of the EU but the damage is already done. Parts of Britain have been taken over by Muslim refugees. Non Muslims aren't allowed because it's run by shia Muslim law's. Google it and you'll think parts of Briatain was in a war torn countr in the middle East , not in the heart of the U. K.
Eventually you'll see an uprising amongst them. I despise refugees living in my coountry. WTF did we win the world war for... to remove Htler and let Muslims rule the world instead. They are slowly taking over
The Jewish refugees were the reason for the uprsing of the Nazis. Jews took over business and homes , the Germans were becoming downtrodden. This is what'll happen with the refugees from other countries. Well need a dictator to solve the problems the EU has caused
Kurzgesagt is a good channel but im still not really sure if i want Refugees in the UK even if it's humanitarianly a good thing to do its definitly not for the UK where deliberately building housing because of a shortage of affordable housing and to many UK investment properties a lot of which aren't even being rented out for some odd reason?
They are refugees, they should not live in our country they should get a tent and food that is it not homes and stuff unless they get citizenship. I don't care about religion believes but they are going to change our countries into their own look at France they tried to change the flag and anthem when it's not their country so they can go.
I hope you'll will not get triggered by this
jihadology.net/.../
The civilians seems to be living well under ISIS
When I watched many videos on this website, I realised medias can be very deceptive regarding the conflict. Maybe 80% are lies.
Your intentions are good, however the refugees crisis is complex, among those who enter Europe, looking for a better living there are criminals, take in consideration also that the muslim culture ix extremely dominant, therefore it´s tough to make them assimalate western values that are the opposite of theirs.
They are non-western, non-white.
@Ironic_Pepe that don´t has to do anything with the issue.
It has everything to do with the issue. "the muslim culture ix extremely dominant, therefore it´s tough to make them assimalate western values that are the opposite of theirs."
@Ironic_Pepe "They are non-western, non-white", you can be non-western and non white and still be able to adapt to the western society, what´s alarming is the fact that the muslims, or at least many of them don´t want to be part of the western society, they practically see as if it was something from Sodoma and Gomorra.
the smart countries that didn't take any refugees will still have running water in 30 years. it's cheaper to help them where they are.
Look what has happened in the United states with 2 races with 2 vastly different cultures trying to get along. 100 years later, and one race is still living off of everyone else and committing crime against them at a massive rate, crying discrimation in the process.
I am pro helping out the refugees. We need to treat other with humanity and decency. People need to put themselves in their shoes. I would want people to help me out if I had nothing.
You need to take in a family and cloth feed and provide medical for them.
@Rissyanne I honestly would If I could.
But you expect tax payers to. Liberals are so good at spending other people's money. Like Michael Moore... the pos is sitting on millions but he wants everyone else to give there money.
@Rissyanne Oh right and conservatives spend money on stupid trillion dollar wars and oil subsidies. Conservatives are sooo good at spending other people's money. You see how it works both ways?
Bottom line is Our taxes go to shit we don't like sometimes. now as you would say "Suck it up"
Well really I don't have to because we put Trump in office... and I don't see him letting a bunch of refugees in. Conservatives is the ones that are paying the taxes. It's more liberals living off the government. So I'm going to mute this page but I'm done with you.
@Rissyanne"Conservatives are the ones paying taxes"? Based on what evidence. What about the republican oil executives and bankers who stash their money in the cayman Islands and pay 0% in taxes. Your boy Trump bragged about not paying taxes. You're so misguided it's embarrassing.
Compliments Julie, a very well made and wise take. Great job! :D
The statistic under point 1 seems very questionable.
"Even if the European Union were to accept all 4 million Syrian refugees, the number of Muslims would only rise about 2%."
Really? 4 million people would be only a 2% increase in the number of European Muslims? That would imply that there are currently 200 million muslims in Europe. That seems way off.
4 million would be a HUGE percent increase.
If the people of a country does not want the refugees their government must accept that. Governments are supposed to look after its own people first.
Notice how the only comments down voted express your pro-refugee sentiments. Its so interesting.
I haen'T downvoter a single comment :)