Have we Western Whites lost Hope for the Future?

[RationalMale]

So many things happen. So many spider-web strands, connecting here and there, it is hard to see a large picture. What I wonder, is... have we whites in the West truly lost hope for the future?

Have you ever seen Lord of the Rings? Boromir, the spiteful and angry son of the Steward of Gondor (representing an ancient Western Civilization, like Rome) travels with the Fellowship. They make it to the Elven City of Lothlorien, where the Elven queen whispers something to all of them. A shaken Boromir later reveals to Aragorn, the rightful King of Gondor, what she whispered to him, and reveals his despair and terror of what the future holds for his people.

How does this relate to today? For starters, look at last year's election. On the GOP side, 9 governors, and 5 Senators lost to... a Casino Guy/Reality TV star, elected strongly because he earned white votes from both parties. Think about it. What does that say about our faith in our leaders? That we have so little faith in our leaders, we would choose a casino magnate who declared "No one else wants to help you, so I will."

Or look at the death rates recently. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/24/the-disease-killing-white-americans-goes-way-deeper-than-opioids/?utm_term=.261c62cec82a

"In rich countries, death rates are supposed to decline. But in the past decade and a half, middle-aged white Americans have actually been dying faster. Princeton economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton first pointed out this disturbing trend in a 2015 study that highlighted three “diseases of despair”: drugs, drinking and suicide. "

Or. Look at the currently fertility rates. It has been said, "Choosing to have children is a vote of confidence in the future." Isn't family, new life, what carries our culture, and a little bit of ourselves into the future, lest we vanish?

Well. http://time.com/4585232/white-deaths-exceed-births-united-states/

"More white Americans are now dying than being born in a third of U.S. states, according to a study released Tuesday, which shows white deaths outpacing births in a record 17 states stretching from California to Maine."

It's not too remarkably hard to see some causes of despair, which certain parties seem to gleefully mock and rejoice in. In many cases, it's mocking and rejoicing that whites will soon be a minority in their homes, and that's a good thing. Whether it was the then--Vice President Joe Biden talking about how good it is whites will become a minority--

Or just local Democratic candidates laughing about rising white suicide rates...

Or Left Wing papers gleefully at a shrinking percent of whites...

Or even former Presidents of Mexico ranting about how pointless it is for Trump to deport Mexican immigrants, because they will be majority. "“This measure is cruel and heartless. Worst than any machine. You’re cancelling the future of 800,000 children and young people. You are so mistaken, the future of any country is the minorities which will be majorities – in a few years. You cannot stop the change. The progress. The future, of that great nation.”"

Or even "anti-racism" activists like Tim Wise, Jewish scholar, author, lecturer, in his "Letter to the White Right." http://www.timwise.org/2010/11/an-open-letter-to-the-white-right-on-the-occasion-of-your-recent-successful-temper-tantrum/

He, very non racist, tells us "You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass — even if it takes four sequels to make it happen — but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time....

It’s OK. Because in about forty years, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.

Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.

Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta."

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People rightly say, "Things like white nationalism is retarded... there is no white race."

They're right. There is no actual white race in real life. There's Scots, English, Irish, French, German... so many. So different. Yet in the USA, a white race has been made, because of the hatred against them. Ironically the opposite of the Freddy Kruger that Tim Wise wants to call whites--a monster fed by fear. In real life, sheer hatred has created something that didn't exist. The hatred is so strong that it is common place in the media and news as gas stations on the road, while the media is quick to furiously attack any whites who makes possibly racial comments or have racial interests. And why would whites have racial interests... why should whites fear becoming a minority? We can see how peaceful politics are in non-white cities already. I wonder what would happen in 20 years, with more power to certain groups, if this is what happens now.

Where does it go from here? Some people are cheerful at these changes. Many, evidently, are not. Things can still be changed... much violence can be avoid, many ways, and the future is still there. We need to remember that, despite the hatred. Remember the clip at the beginning? What the elf whispered to Boromir is still very true. For even at our weakest, we still have strength.

"Even now... there is hope."

[TheFlak38]

Check out all the morons who say we need "fresh air" and "educate" ourselves. I bet people who say such things haven't even read just one book that wasn't assigned to them by their school teachers.
The only hope left for White Europeans is in the Eastern parts of Europe.
Anyone who'll stay in Europe and America as a minority will suffer the consequences as the European South Africans discovered to their cost.
I have posted an article with a series of steps that have to be taken in order to save Western Civilisation as it is written in the book March of the Titans.
Of course gag refused to promote it so that people can't see it. Better promote hippie breeches and make up products.

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a35901-how-the-west-can-be-saved-a-realistic-solution

[Kaazsz]

First of all nobody has explained the reason why. That is the most important step. It's not good enough to take some statistics and start trying to say some bullshit about politics. Thats what I would call a big fat logical fallacy. Lets figure out why first.

I'll just make up some theories right now. Remember, they are random THEORIES off the top of my head. I'm making this shit up lol.

1. Different races are shown to have different sensitivities to various health issues. It could be that the fact that whites have more money in the US than anyone else, in combination with the US's higher morbid obesity rates among other things like bad food such as fast food, could be killing more white people. I know the article says there's a lot of unnacounted deaths, maybe they haven't looked everywhere first.

2. Increased income sometimes means increased depression and other mental health issues. In other countries where the gap in wealth isn't as large it doesn't effect them as much. But in the US where the gaps are widening whites may be left at higher percentages of their population stuck in a sort of middle zone that puts a lot of pressure on their mental state.

We all know that as countries become more "first world" that birth rates decrease. In the US you would expect it to decrease especially fast. I wonder if whites in the US had a period where their birth rates fell quite quickly, leaving behind a large group of people who would all die simultaneously wheras other racial groups didn't receive the benefits of increased capital and thus decreased birth rates until later on.

Anyways I highly doubt white people are dying more due to any sort of social injustice done to them. The evil liberals and minorities aren't causing white people to die faster. I'd like to see that line of reasoning detailed if someone really believes it, instead of the usual "omg minorities and liberals blah blah blah whites are doomed" while also saying that all of non white problems are fake and they are just lazy. It's funny how conservatives becomes social justice warriors armed with social complexities that hurt whites and then say that it doesn't exist for minorities. Not that you're a conservative, but you are using their strategies to make an argument that doesn't even exist.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well first we have to stop the brainwashing. The left have taken over education and the media and have also forced the parents out of the home and to their jobs creating a system that can no longer sustain a single wage household thus allowing them to in affect raise our children. Then they have convinced them to not have children, to hate themselves, to hate whites to hate any one who isn't on the left or a different color of skin then them. This is the problem. Whites need to clean up their act, build families instead of running around trying to get laid, be parents instead of drones to their jobs, and refuse to give into self loathing that society is trying to shove down their throat. IF we can do this, we can fix things. I have no problem with my nation being comprised of many different people of many different colors but if those people are racist, are bigots who hate me simply because the color of my skin, then they have no place here no different then the KKK or neo Nazis, just because they are not white doesn't mean they are not spouting the same hateful rhetoric and that's not acceptable. We live in a society that is meant to judge you based upon your actions, based upon merit not skin color.

[MarkRet]

I think that out of all the races, whites and Asians have higher percentages of people who stay focused, try not to impose on others, and build for the future. Among blacks, Arabs, etc, they have higher percentages of people who only care about their immediate gratification, and in so doing, have very limited options for the future. They produce one child after another, straining the system's resources, and usually not doing anything positive to strengthen the system. It's just a matter of time before it all just runs out of gas.

It's true that all those illegal Latinas do scuzzy jobs that no one else wants, but on the other hand, they also strain our school systems, our medical resources, our law enforcement, etc. I'd like to think that all these non-whites that are taking over the world would do things that would create a better future for ALL of us, but based on their track record, I just don't see that happening. Why aren't the African, Latin, or Arab countries exploring space, or making new discoveries in medicine? They're actually begging WHITE people to figure out how to stop AIDS. They've already fucked up the places they came from, and now they're pouring into Europe hoping that living among white people will stabilize their lives. There really IS no hope for the future.

[TadCurious]

Screw Vicente Fox. For a former Mexican president to lecture about U. S. immigration law is just hypocritical. Mexican immigration law is much, much more strict than U. S. immigration law. Instead of this stupid obsession with Russian collusion in the 2016 election, there should be a focus on the real collusion between the Mexican government and leftists in America. The Mexican government has for a long time quietly urged its citizens to cross the border illegally into the U. S. in order to work and send back remittances. They even publish brochures telling Mexicans the best and safest ways to illegally cross the border, and how to get public, taxpayer-funded benefits for their kids once they have children on American soil. And then the Mexican government lobbies with American leftists for open borders policies and for amnesty. That is a foreign government actively intervening in the internal affairs of the U. S.
There are many people who hate America that cheer the idea that at some point in the near future it will no longer be a majority European-American country. This issue has everything to do with immigration. No one ever put it up for a public vote whether the fundamental characteristics of the American nation were to be radically changed. The elites in Washington and in the media, Silicon Valley, etc., are more than happy with what is happening to the country. But the majority of the people in the heartland of the country never voted for a radical transformation of their homeland.

[mike5150]

The hard truth is white people in general just don't care. The couple dozen whites that the new networks and 99.9% of society have been yelling about the past couple months make up such a little percent in this country that it's laughable.

White people don't care that there numbers are dwindling, they don't care about who they date, they don't even care that they will be the minority. Why because if they did we wouldn't be talking about this just now.

Unfortunately if you have seen most the questions on here, use social media, or watch the news on tv you would think there is KKK members on every block and white peoples sole reason to live is to oppress others.

With all that said I feel like right now we are living in one of the most ignorant times in history. We have the technology and resources to spend are time discovering new cures for diseases and medicine but we still worry about race. If race was not a problem would hatred end? No. Look what we have now. We have the LGBT going through there own problems, different religious issues, fat shaming, and bashing people's education. We can eradicate one evil but something will always replace it.

[BigJake]

The resentment toward white people in this country is growing. Why? Because minorities hold firm to the theory of the "magic whitey," that white people are somehow ordained by dark arts to collect the fruits of the earth through no efforts of their own. It's all because of slavery. Yes, slavery gave white people every last nickel we have to this day. Uncle Ben the house negro invented MSDOS for Bill Gates, and Aunt Jemima the domestic taught Boone Pickens how to be a land man so he could quit his roughneckin days.

Minorities hold great resentments against whites, most of which arise from utter self-pity. Illegal immigrants from meso-America have no reason to hate American whites--but they do. And they are the future of this country? This is why Trump is president. The era of the "white party" is dawning. There will be a party of whites in the future, and it is because we will soon be a minority group that will have to start fighting in the streets just to avoid being run out of our own nation.

[HorrorFan]

I've never understood this particular conservative whine.

What solution do you propose to this supposed problem?

Kick all the non white people out of the west so that white people are forced to only have white children?

Force society to go back to the 'golden era', where women didn't work or go to school and thus were forced to find a husband just to survive?

Despite the fact that more than 50% of all US folks make 30,000 a year or less, force them to have a bunch of children to up the birth rates, even though many societal factors including children are incredibly expensive for most of society?

All of this sounds pretty goddamned fascist to me.

There's nothing stopping you and others from marrying a white woman and pumping out twenty white children. You can't force that shit on other people, though. That is pretty anti freedom.

For the part of the political spectrum that prides itself on individualism, you guys seem to be clinging pretty hard to tribalism.

[RationalMale]

I'm not a conservative.
And we could start by ceasing our program of bringing in a million central americans a year... We could enforce our immigration laws and deport the "dreamers" and all the others.

[juliaanita]

yeah-But who are "all the others".
My vote is to deport all those who are agressively ignorant and unsympathetic to anyone who doesn't have the same color of skin they have.

[RationalMale]

@juliaanita deport non americans. Asia for Asians. Mexico, central and south america for hispanics. Arabia for arabs. Africa for Africans. Whites have every right to want their own nation, just like how the japanese for example let in something like 10 refugees a year.

[juliaanita]

why?

[HorrorFan]

You are never getting your white utopia. A very small amount of people even want this reality. It would be easier for you all to just move to an island somewhere. Bring all the libertarians with you, while you are at it. You can both have your little pipe dreams together.

[RationalMale]

We don't need a white utopia. We simply need to be the comfortable majority in our homeland. For instance, how many terror attacks had multi cultural britain had in the ladt year vs hungary or poland or even russia? How bad was crime in the USA in 1950 when we were 90% white?

[kaylaS91]

.. yes.
Non-westernized 'cultures' are spreading way too fast. Paired with political correctness making many westerners feel forced to at least 'tolerate' feral behaviour and accept it as the new norm.. westernization is eventually going to implode on itself. (I read an interesting article with a pretty accurate analogy of saying that the whole 'migrant crisis', leading to a super accelerated rate of migration that western nations can't even keep up with, is kind of like the spreading of a virus.)

[rose004b]

Political issues are not the only problem. We want to "have fun" instead of getting into relationships; we don't want to start a family because that's what "blue pill betas" or weak oppressed women do; we want to make money without spending it on a "burdensome" family; we keep getting abortions. Everything is terrible.

But yes, even now, there is hope. A lot of White people don't care about becoming minorities but those who do obviously need to make babies. Because Mother Nature doesn't care about our whining.

[Nyx_85]

So.. how many offers of baby making have you gotten in your inbox since this comment?

[Dale1982]

What happened a decade and a half ago. 9/11. White people were the only people asking questions and still are. That was such a pivotal event and they've got so much to cover up. Blame our feminist women who's rather sleep woth their own sex than breed woth their own race. Blame our pathetic, pansy men who'd rather pout in the mirror than reproduce. Blame the media for the lies they spread daily. Blame our politicians for being corrupt and letting the rich bastards get control of our so called democracies and our so called free media.

[Naydyonov]

Eastern Europeans look at the West and think "Shit. This is exactly what we have to avoid".
Luckily in Eastern Europe you can legally and socially say "I hate blacks" with no consequences as it's your opinion, what you cannot say however is "kill the blacks".

And so white nationalism is actually rising in all white countries.
It rises in Western countries due to visible demographic changes. And it rises in Eastern countries due to their knowledge of what's happening in the west.

If you think I'm calling bullshit then how is it that in my school there are more Arabs than whites, more east Asians than whites, more Indians than whites, more Hispanic than whites.
Only in 1 class are there more whites.
In all my other classes I'm among 2 or 3 white students. Funny but all those 2-3 other white students are in the class that has more whites.

So do some whites feel threatened? Of fucking course they do. It's human psychology.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Ok. First of all, why is it bad that there are no more purely white people? Eventually, there may not be purely black people either. So what? We are all going to mix together one day. Get over it. The less barriers, the more teamwork among the nations to move forward. Also, why is there a need to point out one of the people you talk about is Jewish. Is that a problem? Why bring it up?

[RationalMale]

If what you said was true, Africa would be a fairly successful, peaceful place.
2. Wanting your culture and people to survive is as healthy as wanting oxygen and water for yourself.

[Anonymous]

You white people created conditions in your countries that makes them great places to live, your people are generally kind and intelligent and your women are open minded. who wouldn't want to live there? I get that even fair minded liberals secretly have these feelings of being replaced deep down even though they suppress them, as a black person who would at one point want to live in white majority western country I'll tell you, most countries with full black or brown populations are just filled with selfishness, wars, famine, corruption, nepotism, tribalism. There is a just society there.

[Anonymous]

Lolol you're a whiny little twat posting shit from your stepfather's garage...
That is why your middle school teacher warned you to study hard in order to stand a chance against the super hardworking latinos , natives , chinese, indians, arabs and blacks.
But alas all you wanted was to carry confederate flags and shout from the rooftops for a can a beer in the heat of texas...

You've been whining on social media for too long moron...
Now Go fetch that McD burger for me... Don't forget the extra cheese please xDDDDD

[Anonymous]

The only hate that is spreading is hate that ignorant white people have for all other races and cultures.
As a multicultural person myself, I see western white culture, or what is mainstream American culture, as something that is still valuable. The problem is not being able to see that other cultures are also valuable in their own right, instead of being inherently inferior to white culture.

[Daniel_James]

The only way whites can save themselves is by going back to tradition.

Where out of wedlock sexual relations are frowned upon, abortion is deemed wrong and pride in ones heritage is restored.

This can all logically be linked back to sexual immorality.

[Bananaman177]

You don't need hope when you have PRIDE.

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[Anonymous]

I think a lot of people just see the way modern civilisation is going and are sad that it isn't as great as they thought it would be. They can see that it's all going to shit and they want out. I used to care about the race stuff, but not so much anymore, because even if Europe and the US remained majority white, society would still keep on going to shit. Eventually it will all collapse anyway, and only the smartest will survive. The weak will be weeded out, and the problem will solve itself.

[John_Doesnt]

You've been binge watching Fox News and you need some fresh air. Go to college and study world history.

[RationalMale]

I have a bachelors in political science, minor in international affairs.

[John_Doesnt]

So basically phony degrees that have no real applications.

[RationalMale]

Pretty relevant here. But as they say, common sense isn't common, is it? Have fun delivering pizza tonight, or are you stocking shelves at walmart?

[COCOCHANEL]

yeah i can't stand to be there anymore. i miss the 90s.