Nope. They are still laughing at her ridiculous nonsense. A huge majority of scientists believe that although climate change is a normal thing, what is happening now is being hugely accelerated by what we are doing. And it would be simple to slow it down and someday reverse it, but the people that make their billions selling the products that speed the process up are spending billions on "fake science" which many who have problems following simple logic believe.
So the only explosions from liberals reading this is the explosions of laughter at the ignorance.
@Tomblebee - Nah! I put my head in the refrigerator daily. Cooling off. But the conspiracy theorists put their heads up their asses and add to the heat.
Well don't you think it would help if the emissions weren't so high? Wouldn't it slow down the process? Just because it's the earth's natural cycle doesn't mean we aren't all gonna die because of it and do everything we can to prevent it? The government would not want to unduly tax co2 emmissions because usually the un-environmentally friendly options are the most profitable and therefore most favourable, so why would the government tax things that are good for them, economcally. I'm confused
@Tomblebee I doubt we're going to come even remotely close to everyone dying. The exact magnitude of the implications of Global Warming, the big one being precipitation affecting crop yields, are not well understood. It's an incredibly difficult thing to predict climate change. Meteorologists still struggle with predicting weather beyond a week, much less a few decades. There's considerable debate between Climatologists (the ones making these long term predictions) and Meteorologists whether Global Warming even exists. A number of Climatologists are simply Meterologists with higher education. A good portion of them work for the government. And here's the thing with government in my opinion, typically the best minds find themselves in the private sector, the rest end up in public sector. And that's where most innovation comes from, the private sector. A lot if not all of what Public Universities learn comes from work done in the private sector.
@Tomblebee That's not to say those in the public sector don't produce anything or aren't intelligent, it's just the pressure to perform in the private sector is greater, so are the rewards. So giving the government authority to arbitrarily impose carbon taxes on certain industries like cattle ranchers is imprudent. It's the energy sectors (oil, natural gas, coal) that needs to be targeted upstream before their products go downstream for use. I myself believe Global Warming exists, I just seriously doubt the ability of Climatologists to accurately predict impacts on the climate when none of their models can account for human innovation. There are thousands upon thousands of engineers and scientists who far outnumber Climatologists working in the private sector trying to make money. And they can't sustain their profits if they kill off their customers. What has a greater impact on pushing companies reducing carbon emissions is educated owners (shareholders) demanding companies invest...
@Tomblebee... in research. So it's actually good to shrink the government and put the money in the hands of people who actually work with their equipment day by day. If it really interests you, you should read about carbon sequestration. Oil companies practice it now by using liquified CO2 to pump into reservoirs to displace hard to reach oil in enhanced oil recovery. Not only do they maximize oil recovery which in itself is environmentally friendly by minimizing waste, it also REVERSES emissions by storing that CO2 in a depleted reservoir no longer in use. There are other examples as well such as carbon capture through CO2 sublimation. So what economic impact does this have? You'd see a percentage increase in the cost of goods and services similar to what we saw prior to oil shales hitting the market. You'd simply carry on as normal buying what you can afford knowing that you're not harming the environment. But it takes educated consumers to demand it. It also takes an educated...
@Tomblebee... workforce with the best minds being hired for the job. But I encourage you to make up your own mind after listening to both sides of the story. I myself like doing my own research and applying what I know scientifically to see if Climatologists claims are reasonable.
@love_conquers_lust Wow. Good stuff there but i think more renewable energy options would be better considering oil and stuff is limited and something bad might happen if it all went away. Wow what if the oil underground was insulation from the magma in the core and the lack of it is spreading up global warming. Teehee unlikely. We all gonna die; i meant if the natural cycle turns the temperature up to like 60 degrees Celsius, as in we all as in the race. So by preach on what parts of her spiel were you agreeing with? Yea the government can be pretty ill informed.
@Tomblebee We got quite a bit of non-renewables left. 150 years ago burning fuel to work a farm was mostly unheard of. If you're interested in renewables, look up NetEnergyRatios (NER). This compares the energy potential of energy sources like coal, petroleum, solar, wind, ethanol. I actually did a little back of the envelope calculation to figure out how much we would need to depopulate to go completely green on ethanol from corn, maintain economic prices and US standards of living, and still be able to feed everyone. I think it came out to like 600-900 million people. And it's not like you'd have to kill anyone, you just let economic prices rise and let the people who can afford to reproduce procreate. Those who can't find fulfillment in something else. It's literally not the end of the world if you only have one kid. It IS the end of the world if low IQ people procreate while high IQ people don't. That's why I don't like immigration in the Western World.
@Tomblebee My pie in the sky, science fiction vision for humanity is extra-planetary solar harvesting arrays. Where you have millions of these solar panel harvesters orbiting the earth gathering free solar energy and dispelling waste heat. And in sequence, once their batteries are charged, rendezvousing with a thousand mile high space elevator to transport these energy pods to be used on the surface of the earth. There are a few BIG engineering challenges with this.
I mentioned waste heat, some Climatologists might be neglecting the effects of waste heat being generated from all the fuels we burn. That might be a bigger contributing factor than the carbon dioxide. You'd have to read up on the Earth's energy budget and global energy consumption to better understand that.
@love_conquers_lust This is the type of stuff i'm interested in but i don't know what type of degree i should get for a career like this, any suggestions? What do you do?
@Tomblebee You can read about it independently online. You can also look up majors offered at Universities and read about required coursework. Be forewarned about job prospects coming out of school, IF you even graduate. Reputable schools that have rigorous requirements to get in and challenge their students throughout their education get pick of the litter when it comes to employment. There's no guarantee of a job when you do graduate. But if you enroll at a school who is smart and listens to employers in the private sector, the school will adjust their curriculum to afford you the best chance. I'd be wary of universities who have affirmative action if I were you. If I could do it again, I would have attended a university who didn't force diversity or gender/racial quotas. It's an incredible feeling knowing you genuinely performed without any discriminatory aid or coddling. Employers are chomping at the bit to get girls who actually do a good job who don't expect special treatment.
@Tomblebee If you have to force yourself to like something, it's likely you won't be as productive. Environmental engineering, environmental science, and meteorology/climatology are math and science intensive. I'm a Chemical engineer.
@Tomblebee Education wise: Lots of math, physics, chemistry, computers, modelling, group work. Math is an integral part of it. You don't go a day without using it. It becomes second nature. It's best to take and perform well in physics and calculus in high school if you're going into any engineering discipline, in my opinion.
Like, design a process given a set of processing units for the gasification of coal that yields a positive return. Transporting and burning gas/liquid is far less energy intensive than moving solids. An environmental aspect would be ensuring you minimize waste/byproducts. Pollution is potential profit being lost. You payed for the raw materials, would it not benefit you to use 100% of it in your final product?
Circling back, you asked: "Wow what if the oil underground was insulation from the magma in the core and the lack of it is spreading up global warming." After you mastered a years worth of Transport Phenomena, you would probably be able to answer that...
@Tomblebee... You would learn about conduction, convection, and radiation. Would a reservoir of oil, liquified carbon dioxide, or an empty reservoir filled with VOCs be better insulators of heat? (I don't expect any high schooler to be able to answer that, even I'm not entirely sure).
And you asked what I thought about the Take, I agreed with the parts exclaiming the natural Global Warming. Milankovitch cycles are an effect occuring with a period of thousands of years in changes in the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun which caused Ice Ages. All that happens is (and it's happening as we speak ever so slooooowly), is the Earth will revolve around the sun further away from it reducing the intensity of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface. She mentioned solar cycles, these are something that happens on the surface of the sun like every 15 years or something where solar flares or something increase the intensity of solar radiation.
@love_conquers_lust What so the earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle, because of the gravitational pull of other planets, and the laws of motion, that things in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force from the big bang? (No probably not the big bang because this is the solar system and not the universe... I don't know i haven't taken physics yet.)
@Tomblebee Mastered? I'd say I survived it. A typical exam was 3-5 questions that each involved up to a page of work to solve.
Kepler's laws and Newton's laws of motion and gravitation still hold. It's just they're acting in more ways than you think. -https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles. Work is still ongoing to reconcile ice corings with astronomical predictions. The hypothesis is still being tested. But it's a popular one like Global Warming that's tested with astronomy and been around longer. Even if you don't entirely understand it, do you think the planets in our solar system move in fixed, perfectly circular orbits?
@love_conquers_lust When i was little i thought the seasons were due to an oval orbit around the sun - but are you saying it's more like a spiral in and out causing the heat/ice ages? With different levels of green house gases attracting the earth more strongly or less strongly from the sun and surrounding planets?
@Tomblebee The seasons are due to Earth's tilt. The degree of eccentricity (fancy word for how oval or elliptical or circular the Earth's orbit is) apparently changes according to the hypothesis. It would be a great question to raise with a science teacher. These changes take tens of thousands of years to complete a cycle. It's slow. And no, there is no appreciable CAUSAL relation between greenhouse gases and the eccentricity of Earth's orbit. There IS however a CORRELATION. During Ice Ages, there are lesser amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere..
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's gravitational pull from other planets that affect orbital eccentricity. It would definitely be a question for physicists or astronomers as well.
@love_conquers_lust Sounds exciting! But didn't you say that ice ages and stuff were from - Milankovitch cycles are an effect occuring with a period of thousands of years in changes in the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun which caused Ice Ages. - so wouldn't that mean they are correlated somehow?
@Tomblebee Anything made of chemicals. Which is pretty much everything. They work with energy too. There's also (not an all-inclusive list) Electrical Engineering, Nuclear Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Computer Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, Architectural Engineering, Civil Engineering, Environmental Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Aeronautical/Aviation Engineering, Marine Engineering, Metallurgical Engineering, Construction Engineering, Welding Engineering, Automotive Engineering. In a word, engineers build shit.
@love_conquers_lust In a word, engineers build shit; Isn't that builders though? Don't they design practical solutions using their extensive knowledge of the field, or do they have to bring them about into existence as well?
@Tomblebee You are correct. Typically, contractors will do the physical building. It's engineers who are responsible for what's being built and that it serves it's designed purpose. Contractors are responsible for the quality of their craft. For large projects, contractors often have no idea what units/equipment do, but the engineer must.
This means engineers must have a working knowledge of crafts available for commission: pipefitters, electricians, millwrights, painters, ironworkers, crane operators, concrete workers, carpenters. I was involved with a project where we used divers for blackwater diving.
@Tomblebee Low to zero visibility underwater diving. To forage for broken agitators that had sunk to the bottom of a basin and rigged up to a crane for removal.
@Tomblebee Gather dimensions of the basin for the project engineer. Ensure equipment was locked out/deenergized. Open up confined space entry permit. Observe. Gather their data.
@Tomblebee Oversaw budgeting for that small part/task of a much larger project. He used the data to calculate how much carbon would be needed to be removed, transported, and stored for eventual incineration/reuse in a coal fired furnace. The scope of that project was much larger.
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b-but dicaprio said...
True Trump supporter detected.
"My mind is made up, so don't confuse me with facts."
@Dargil lmao
I think you just don't want it to exist.
The earth goes through cycles.
You're an idiot.
So many bitter people in the comments
No it isn't. Get an education.
careful. this could make liberals heads explode
Nope. They are still laughing at her ridiculous nonsense. A huge majority of scientists believe that although climate change is a normal thing, what is happening now is being hugely accelerated by what we are doing. And it would be simple to slow it down and someday reverse it, but the people that make their billions selling the products that speed the process up are spending billions on "fake science" which many who have problems following simple logic believe.
So the only explosions from liberals reading this is the explosions of laughter at the ignorance.
@Red_Arrow Or maybe their head would explode from the effects of global warming; high temperatures swelling their skulls causing explosions?
@Tomblebee - Nah! I put my head in the refrigerator daily. Cooling off. But the conspiracy theorists put their heads up their asses and add to the heat.
@Red_Arrow Hahah lol, true that.
Good take, everyone has their own beliefs though..
I think you are correct
Man-made global warming is total nonsense.
I love this MyTake. Preach on, Preach on!!
Well don't you think it would help if the emissions weren't so high? Wouldn't it slow down the process? Just because it's the earth's natural cycle doesn't mean we aren't all gonna die because of it and do everything we can to prevent it? The government would not want to unduly tax co2 emmissions because usually the un-environmentally friendly options are the most profitable and therefore most favourable, so why would the government tax things that are good for them, economcally. I'm confused
@Tomblebee I doubt we're going to come even remotely close to everyone dying. The exact magnitude of the implications of Global Warming, the big one being precipitation affecting crop yields, are not well understood. It's an incredibly difficult thing to predict climate change. Meteorologists still struggle with predicting weather beyond a week, much less a few decades. There's considerable debate between Climatologists (the ones making these long term predictions) and Meteorologists whether Global Warming even exists. A number of Climatologists are simply Meterologists with higher education. A good portion of them work for the government. And here's the thing with government in my opinion, typically the best minds find themselves in the private sector, the rest end up in public sector. And that's where most innovation comes from, the private sector. A lot if not all of what Public Universities learn comes from work done in the private sector.
@Tomblebee That's not to say those in the public sector don't produce anything or aren't intelligent, it's just the pressure to perform in the private sector is greater, so are the rewards. So giving the government authority to arbitrarily impose carbon taxes on certain industries like cattle ranchers is imprudent. It's the energy sectors (oil, natural gas, coal) that needs to be targeted upstream before their products go downstream for use. I myself believe Global Warming exists, I just seriously doubt the ability of Climatologists to accurately predict impacts on the climate when none of their models can account for human innovation. There are thousands upon thousands of engineers and scientists who far outnumber Climatologists working in the private sector trying to make money. And they can't sustain their profits if they kill off their customers. What has a greater impact on pushing companies reducing carbon emissions is educated owners (shareholders) demanding companies invest...
@Tomblebee... in research. So it's actually good to shrink the government and put the money in the hands of people who actually work with their equipment day by day. If it really interests you, you should read about carbon sequestration. Oil companies practice it now by using liquified CO2 to pump into reservoirs to displace hard to reach oil in enhanced oil recovery. Not only do they maximize oil recovery which in itself is environmentally friendly by minimizing waste, it also REVERSES emissions by storing that CO2 in a depleted reservoir no longer in use. There are other examples as well such as carbon capture through CO2 sublimation. So what economic impact does this have? You'd see a percentage increase in the cost of goods and services similar to what we saw prior to oil shales hitting the market.
You'd simply carry on as normal buying what you can afford knowing that you're not harming the environment. But it takes educated consumers to demand it. It also takes an educated...
@Tomblebee... workforce with the best minds being hired for the job. But I encourage you to make up your own mind after listening to both sides of the story. I myself like doing my own research and applying what I know scientifically to see if Climatologists claims are reasonable.
@love_conquers_lust Wow. Good stuff there but i think more renewable energy options would be better considering oil and stuff is limited and something bad might happen if it all went away. Wow what if the oil underground was insulation from the magma in the core and the lack of it is spreading up global warming. Teehee unlikely. We all gonna die; i meant if the natural cycle turns the temperature up to like 60 degrees Celsius, as in we all as in the race. So by preach on what parts of her spiel were you agreeing with? Yea the government can be pretty ill informed.
Haha kidding sorry i thought you were someone else, thats proably not gonna make sense. Geez, you probably weren't even talking to me. Lol
@Tomblebee We got quite a bit of non-renewables left. 150 years ago burning fuel to work a farm was mostly unheard of. If you're interested in renewables, look up NetEnergyRatios (NER). This compares the energy potential of energy sources like coal, petroleum, solar, wind, ethanol. I actually did a little back of the envelope calculation to figure out how much we would need to depopulate to go completely green on ethanol from corn, maintain economic prices and US standards of living, and still be able to feed everyone. I think it came out to like 600-900 million people. And it's not like you'd have to kill anyone, you just let economic prices rise and let the people who can afford to reproduce procreate. Those who can't find fulfillment in something else. It's literally not the end of the world if you only have one kid. It IS the end of the world if low IQ people procreate while high IQ people don't. That's why I don't like immigration in the Western World.
@Tomblebee My pie in the sky, science fiction vision for humanity is extra-planetary solar harvesting arrays. Where you have millions of these solar panel harvesters orbiting the earth gathering free solar energy and dispelling waste heat. And in sequence, once their batteries are charged, rendezvousing with a thousand mile high space elevator to transport these energy pods to be used on the surface of the earth. There are a few BIG engineering challenges with this.
I mentioned waste heat, some Climatologists might be neglecting the effects of waste heat being generated from all the fuels we burn. That might be a bigger contributing factor than the carbon dioxide. You'd have to read up on the Earth's energy budget and global energy consumption to better understand that.
@love_conquers_lust This is the type of stuff i'm interested in but i don't know what type of degree i should get for a career like this, any suggestions? What do you do?
@Tomblebee You can read about it independently online. You can also look up majors offered at Universities and read about required coursework. Be forewarned about job prospects coming out of school, IF you even graduate. Reputable schools that have rigorous requirements to get in and challenge their students throughout their education get pick of the litter when it comes to employment. There's no guarantee of a job when you do graduate. But if you enroll at a school who is smart and listens to employers in the private sector, the school will adjust their curriculum to afford you the best chance. I'd be wary of universities who have affirmative action if I were you. If I could do it again, I would have attended a university who didn't force diversity or gender/racial quotas. It's an incredible feeling knowing you genuinely performed without any discriminatory aid or coddling. Employers are chomping at the bit to get girls who actually do a good job who don't expect special treatment.
@Tomblebee If you have to force yourself to like something, it's likely you won't be as productive. Environmental engineering, environmental science, and meteorology/climatology are math and science intensive. I'm a Chemical engineer.
@love_conquers_lust Well, thanks. I suppose it's a good thing i got top in both those classes then, a year ahead. What's chemical engineering like?
@Tomblebee Education wise: Lots of math, physics, chemistry, computers, modelling, group work. Math is an integral part of it. You don't go a day without using it. It becomes second nature. It's best to take and perform well in physics and calculus in high school if you're going into any engineering discipline, in my opinion.
Like, design a process given a set of processing units for the gasification of coal that yields a positive return. Transporting and burning gas/liquid is far less energy intensive than moving solids. An environmental aspect would be ensuring you minimize waste/byproducts. Pollution is potential profit being lost. You payed for the raw materials, would it not benefit you to use 100% of it in your final product?
Circling back, you asked: "Wow what if the oil underground was insulation from the magma in the core and the lack of it is spreading up global warming." After you mastered a years worth of Transport Phenomena, you would probably be able to answer that...
@Tomblebee... You would learn about conduction, convection, and radiation. Would a reservoir of oil, liquified carbon dioxide, or an empty reservoir filled with VOCs be better insulators of heat? (I don't expect any high schooler to be able to answer that, even I'm not entirely sure).
And you asked what I thought about the Take, I agreed with the parts exclaiming the natural Global Warming. Milankovitch cycles are an effect occuring with a period of thousands of years in changes in the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun which caused Ice Ages. All that happens is (and it's happening as we speak ever so slooooowly), is the Earth will revolve around the sun further away from it reducing the intensity of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface. She mentioned solar cycles, these are something that happens on the surface of the sun like every 15 years or something where solar flares or something increase the intensity of solar radiation.
@love_conquers_lust Have you mastered a years worth of transport phenomena?
@love_conquers_lust What so the earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle, because of the gravitational pull of other planets, and the laws of motion, that things in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force from the big bang? (No probably not the big bang because this is the solar system and not the universe... I don't know i haven't taken physics yet.)
@Tomblebee Mastered? I'd say I survived it. A typical exam was 3-5 questions that each involved up to a page of work to solve.
Kepler's laws and Newton's laws of motion and gravitation still hold. It's just they're acting in more ways than you think. -https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles. Work is still ongoing to reconcile ice corings with astronomical predictions. The hypothesis is still being tested. But it's a popular one like Global Warming that's tested with astronomy and been around longer. Even if you don't entirely understand it, do you think the planets in our solar system move in fixed, perfectly circular orbits?
@love_conquers_lust When i was little i thought the seasons were due to an oval orbit around the sun - but are you saying it's more like a spiral in and out causing the heat/ice ages? With different levels of green house gases attracting the earth more strongly or less strongly from the sun and surrounding planets?
@Tomblebee The seasons are due to Earth's tilt. The degree of eccentricity (fancy word for how oval or elliptical or circular the Earth's orbit is) apparently changes according to the hypothesis. It would be a great question to raise with a science teacher. These changes take tens of thousands of years to complete a cycle. It's slow. And no, there is no appreciable CAUSAL relation between greenhouse gases and the eccentricity of Earth's orbit. There IS however a CORRELATION. During Ice Ages, there are lesser amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere..
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's gravitational pull from other planets that affect orbital eccentricity. It would definitely be a question for physicists or astronomers as well.
@love_conquers_lust Sounds exciting! But didn't you say that ice ages and stuff were from
- Milankovitch cycles are an effect occuring with a period of thousands of years in changes in the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun which caused Ice Ages. - so wouldn't that mean they are correlated somehow?
@Tomblebee Yes. The Milankovitch cycles would be causal to Ice Ages or natural climate change.
@love_conquers_lust If you didn't want to work with coal what other options and types of projects could a chemical engineer work on?
@Tomblebee Anything made of chemicals. Which is pretty much everything. They work with energy too. There's also (not an all-inclusive list) Electrical Engineering, Nuclear Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Computer Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, Architectural Engineering, Civil Engineering, Environmental Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Aeronautical/Aviation Engineering, Marine Engineering, Metallurgical Engineering, Construction Engineering, Welding Engineering, Automotive Engineering. In a word, engineers build shit.
@Tomblebee You could work for Proctor & Gamble who makes soaps and scented/fragrant items as a Chemical Engineer.
@love_conquers_lust In a word, engineers build shit; Isn't that builders though? Don't they design practical solutions using their extensive knowledge of the field, or do they have to bring them about into existence as well?
@Tomblebee You are correct. Typically, contractors will do the physical building. It's engineers who are responsible for what's being built and that it serves it's designed purpose. Contractors are responsible for the quality of their craft. For large projects, contractors often have no idea what units/equipment do, but the engineer must.
This means engineers must have a working knowledge of crafts available for commission: pipefitters, electricians, millwrights, painters, ironworkers, crane operators, concrete workers, carpenters. I was involved with a project where we used divers for blackwater diving.
@love_conquers_lust What was the black water diving for? What is that?
@Tomblebee Low to zero visibility underwater diving. To forage for broken agitators that had sunk to the bottom of a basin and rigged up to a crane for removal.
@love_conquers_lust And what your involvement in the project?
@Tomblebee Gather dimensions of the basin for the project engineer. Ensure equipment was locked out/deenergized. Open up confined space entry permit. Observe. Gather their data.
@love_conquers_lust What did the project engineer do?
@Tomblebee Oversaw budgeting for that small part/task of a much larger project. He used the data to calculate how much carbon would be needed to be removed, transported, and stored for eventual incineration/reuse in a coal fired furnace. The scope of that project was much larger.
@love_conquers_lust Cool, i'll look into some of these ideas thanks :)
@Tomblebee I ask that you share them with your friends/family too if they're interested.
@love_conquers_lust What ideas am i sharing?
@Tomblebee How should I know? That's up to you to decide. It's makes for a better educated consumer base when we educate each other. Remember?
Lol xD
OMFG
Okay?
are you an alien?
I agree
I think it is real.
Interesting