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"I could probably dig up advantages black people have over white people but they're going to be much less significant than the above"
There is blatant racism against whites: 8(a) contracting and against whites and Asians: Admission to many universities.
The most racist people I've come across are black.
Don’t disagree on the 8(a) contracting and admissions. However given more black men are in prison than university I’m going to suggest that -for them- the area they have disadvantages are more material. I think you can put forward and argument that with the educational and family background that... probably you and I have... it might be an advantage to be black. But that combination is comparatively rare.
I do NOT like quotas at all - they don’t fix the problem and they help the wrong people. (They tend to, for example, give a huge boost to well educated high income black kids who don’t need help while doing nothing to help poor kids who may be disproportionally black but certainly aren’t all).
I’ve come across a few pretty racist white and black people. It is however true that it’s relatively easy for me to not deal with racist black people.
Like I always say, "white privilege" is a phrase pulled out of the sky by those who want to play the victim card as well as call on other excuses for why they think shit should be handed to them.
Exactly. If they’re so dissatisfied they should leave America. We don’t need them.
@vyvyn
But they do still want to benefit from all the perks that white peoples ancestors worked hard and bloody for. Can't just make sacrifices or build up your very own country where you come from, but want everything. The only ones who do respect that are ironically the ones who end up performing very well - aka eastern Asians. Guess it's not as oppressive a society then.
I'm glad this question was posted. I think it highlights the racism that is still pervasive in america.
I think the reason why a lot of whites don’t like the term ‘white privilege’ is because a lot of whites aren’t very privileged. A lot of white towns are frankly hellholes full of poverty. So I think a lot of whites feel like they’re being stereotyped and put in the same basket as rich bankers from Manhattan because their skin colour is the same, even if their life experiences are totally different. I’m not saying white privilege doesn’t exist; it is true that we’re more likely to get an easier sentence, for instance, and not get shot by police. I just think that if minority activists really want to be successful they’ve got to start acknowledging that tons of whites are very underprivileged and try to get them as allies against the elites who refuse to change the system.
I think that applies only to white people that were born here in US. I came here as an immigrant with nothing and not even knowing the language. I sure didn't feel very privileged at all. I had to start with everything from zero. I've established myself pretty good but it had to do with how much drive I had in me to succeed. I'm sure if we ask a bunch of white immigrants you'll find that all have the same answer.
Of course. I tried to specifically address that - a lot of what people treat as white privilege is actually “native English speaker privilege” or “culturally native” privilege. Etc.
No one is privileged we all just have different problems
Opinions like this are what is keeping black people down.
Stop blaming everybody else for your poor life choices, we've all made mistakes, we turned ourselves around, you just sit there in your own mess and pout about how you're a victim.
I have no sympathy for people like you.
im not looking for sympathy for being a poor black man.
Probably starting with the fact that I’m not poor or black...
My statement applies to all races and financial situations.
You believe white privilege exists, it doesn't, insisting that it does keeps the black man down and encourages an ever-expanding victim class.
You're the worst kind of person.
I would agree the ever expanding victim class is a huge issue.
White privledge is liberal propaganda created by Satan. There's thousands of leagues of evdience that white priveledge doesn't exist!
http://exposingpseudoscience.blogspot.com/
I look forward to seeing Trump continue to defend us all from Satan. Good think trump is so tough.
Trump just gave a bj to Satan according to Fox News!
I think white privilege is simply that, in the US, bad and sad things may happen to you but won't happen to you because you're white.
The problem in the US is that racial and class privilege are thoroughly disconnected from each other which leads me to think that a lot of the rhetoric coming from liberal whites about white privilege is just empty posturing.
White privilege is real in the same way bigfoot is real. We keep hearing about it from wingnuts but those of us living in the real world have yet to see any real evidence of it.
Yeah right! Next you're gonna tell us there is no Easter Bunny.
@belarus There is no Easter Bunny.
I think there is substantially less than most of the wingnuts claim. As noted I think white privilege vs say East Asians is effectively zero. And most of the disadvantages some black people face are not actually being black. It’s economic background, lack of family wealth, lack of family history of higher education, having to code switch from a non standard dialect, etc. But I don’t agree that the disadvantages due to perceived race are -zero- or are fully offset by racial advantages like some scholarships and quotas.
Just to compare my views - in North America I would basically say male and female privileges are overall equal (though significant and depending on individual circumstance one can be a significant advantage over the other )
Who left those chocolate eggs in my room on Sunday?
@belarus That was a privileged chicken.
LMAO
White men are privileged because they earned it. They invented almost everything and devised the best form of government. Sure, they have done bad things, but they pale by comparison. Without white men, we would still be hunter gathers.
I think you're using privilege in a different way here. I think you're saying that family wealth is correlated with being white and that primarily has to do with successful technological innovation and productive societies built by whites.
I'm saying that they achieved disproportionately and earned their position in society. Want to measure up? Do so. Nobody us holding anybody back. I am dumb as a post in math and am a Cop. Asian guys have PhD''s, work for Microsoft and add a zero to my paycheck. The cards you were dealt.
@Dargil. @0112358 is dumb. He doesn’t even understand your comment, so his comment has almost absolutely no relevance what you said.
I completely agree with what you stated.
@Dargil. I wouldn’t bother replying to someone who can’t even understand your comment.
@vyvyn I go out every day to defend @0112358 and anyone else. Maybe he doesn't understand that either. But that's OK.
Ah, more victimhood mentality. That's what spurs all this fake crap.
Agreed
I suppose you can see it that way. I’m actually white right wing and lean libertarian. I prefer equality do opportunity to trying to force equality of outcomes. But if we are going to hold that view we need to consider whether there is still work to do for opportunity to be equal. The state especially should be fair. When they, for instance; treat fathers unfairly in divorce court, I think that’s very wrong. Maybe you see that as victim hood.
It occurs to me that one of the issues raised might actually be what you consider victimhood mentality. It looks like both students and teachers are more likely to expect black students to struggle, which becomes self fulfilling sometimes and when it does it’s “managed” but not pushed back against enough. So what can be done to remove some of that mentality?
All communities and ethnic groups need leaders, however that might look or be. Many of our communities have failed in this respect. And in particular, our celebrities, politicians, sports figures, pretty much everyone has let us down, to the point where everybody is equally without character or moral compass. Sad really.
White privilege is a new fad concocted by liberal social engineering, and is completely bogus. There simply is no 'privilege' for being any particular skin color or race.
Nice MyTake, it was really informing and you convinced me of your points pretty well. I like how you separated race from background and skills. They are different things, and not a lot of people specify that. You seem very learned and well spoken in this subject.
Ooops! You beat me to it. I created a take that talks about this from a different perspective. I cover a little bit of what you do in terms of the prevalent norms in our society. Then I go to the race angle.
But good job!
Understanding "White" privilege. What is so hard to understand? ↗
Well, not bad, but I think the term "white privilege" is racist, and what you described should be regarded as something else.
Why do you consider it racist?
@NoBullsh1t
On one hand, it's racist towards whites because it implies the only reason they have anything good is because of the color of their skin which also means they don't deserve it because they didn't earn it fairly.
And on another it implies people of other races are inferior since it means skin color is the deciding factor when it comes to success, and not other socioeconomic or cultural factors.
I suppose I could stress it more but I think the word choice “privilege” is a terrible one because apart from maybe being super rich or smart or attractive, most privileges as they’re called are actually the absence of a disadvantage. Sure there are a few families with money going back to slave times but that’s really not the issue. The issue is, are there things that are treating some group as a group unfairly that can be resolved? I think most of us on this site might prefer to deal with individuals and not as various identity groups. I would also prefer that! But if we find there areas where some classes are treated unfairly, we need to -fix- that so they - can - just be individuals. And that’s not by “screwing people with privilege”. It’s by eradicating barriers.
I don't think saying whites are privileged is wrong, but it's wrong to say being white is a privilege, since personal struggles are more determined by culture and socioeconomic background than skin color.
Yeah, I think racial profiling is unfair, but to a point it's purpose is to prevent damages. It results in me adopting the "life isn't fair" mentality.
I want everyone to be happy and successful, but unfortunately it's harder for some to achieve it than others, and that's the way it has always been and always will be.
Absolutely agree cultural, socioeconomic and personal issues (disabilities etc) matter much MORE. So if I am going to personally do charity work realistically I would target those areas. I would also generally see the government when it comes to financial things focus on those groups. But if someone has good ideas to solve some racial problems I am supportive. That’s why I call this mytake for skeptics.
This is a good post op. I wish more people would listen to it
Shoutout to the downvoters for continuing to affirm my opinion of racists :D
@BellePepper We already know GaG is full of racists.
@ManOnFire unnnnnnnnfortumately
yeah, cause everyone who disagrees is a racist, sexist bigoted monster. 😂 dem libtards 😂
@Chris_Humble no one said anything about sexism but if that’s how you identify that’s your right
@BellePepper Actually, you explicitly reaffirmed your intolerance of white people.
@BellePepper She's trolling all our posts, look out lol.
@ManOnFire no worries. People telling me I must be a person of color and hate white people makes my *day* XD
whiners all over these mf'ing comments. can we please admit it's an advantage to be white and just take off our cute little victim hats for fiiiiiiiiive minutes? you can go back to blaming the world for your unsatisfactory life when the egg timer goes ding. christ almighty.
Satine, you are missing the point entirely. The advantages experienced by being the racial majority in America are known, it's the irrational and sanctimonious propagation of a narrative of COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY for the outcomes of people of a certain identity group. It's lame. It doesn't do anybody any good to chalk up ALL positive and negative outcomes of any individual to a oppressor-victim model in which all behaviors are determined by membership in a group identity. Both East and Southeast Asian-Americans here have a higher per capita income than Caucasians and nobody complains. If anything, they cheer. Take most of those advantages laid out in the original 1970s paper in which "white privilege" is outlined and see if they're applicable to a white person in China. It's NOT a RACIAL THING. People are tired of flattened, low-resolution arguments, and to tie socioeconomic outcomes solely to racial identity is doing just that.
real or not, it doesn't entitle "non whites" to any kind of compensation. also while white people can and should enjoy their privilege responsibly, they are not at all at fault for having them in the first place.
lots of pc bullshit goes against white privilege as if white people were the perpetrators of creating social inequality against every other color, which is just not right.
In the USA there is Black privilege and female privilege but not White privilege.
That is especially evident when it comes to free money for college only available to those groups but not available to White men.
The advantage White men have is they are more capable mentally and physically and more attractive than others most of the time.
White privilege: the advantage of likely being born with both parents in your home, and the fact that your people are less likely to kill each other in drive by shootings after midnight basketball.
Why not call it I live in a safe neighbourhood with both my parents privilege?
Those are actually separate “privileges” - and I’d agree both more significant than white privilege.
Lmfao
I call it like i see it haha. If blacks were really oppressed by "white privilege" than majority black citys would not be urban warzones
@RationalMale. Exactly. The fact people write this stuff shows they’re not capable of building and/or maintaining a functional society (need I say and without white people).
@vyvyn Exactly. People claim that blacks are oppressed, that white privilege is keeping them down. And then... It's like Baltimore. Black mayor+majority black city council+police department that is black controlled and majority black... and then people somehow claim racism is why the locals keep killing each other.
@RationalMale Ya, like what's going to happen to society when white people are no longer here.
@vyvyn Oh that's an easy question. Go to Baltimore or Chicago or Detroit or Memphis and you'll find out what happens if white people leave.
@RationalMale Chaos. Armageddon? Does that mean I should be glad I'll be dead in 70 years if I'm 'lucky' to live that long?
Thanks, that was interesting. I wish more people would approach this topic in a more reasonable and nuanced way like you did.