Just Because You're Older Doesn't Make You Right

[questionsWanswers]

Its the general go-to for people looking to put down the opinions of younger generations to appeal to seniority when they are unable to contest the logic behind said opinions. Using one liner gems such as

"You're (insert young age) so shut up!"

"Your a teenager, you know nothing about (insert topic of conversation)"

Not only is this approach a logical fallacy, it's blatantly untrue in a lot of instances. We all have our areas of expertise and different experiences, AND exposure to different standards of education.

Lets examine examples of these.

Areas of expertise and experience.

Just because you're older doesn't necessitate that youve spent those years experiencing a wide variety of things or becoming proficient in many different fields. A middle aged man who's spent his entire life flipping burgers never doing anything else or going anywhere else probably shouldn't try telling younger people how to live their lives should he?

Another example: me personally, I'm pretty Damn good at wakeboarding.

You could be 50 years old, but I guarantee you if you haven't wakeboarded before then guess what, you could stand to learn a thing or two from a younger person who has, or else break your face on the surface of the water because you didn't put your weight on your heels. Scrub

😒

Another thing I know a lot about are castles.

Because castles are fucking awesome! End of story! You may be older than me, but if you confuse crenelations and machicolations I will KICK. YOUR. ASS!

Jk I'm not a violent person😊 I'll just tell you the difference between the two and what their purpose was in castle defence. Also that they both fall under the umbrella term "battlements". And also the difference between towers and bastions. I really love castles😁😁😁

Young people are capable of having experiences you haven't and skills you dont possess. *they also can have the same knowledge you do and just have a differing opinion or come to different conclusions*

How about standards of education?

This may vary more by country or state too, but can you honestly tell me you remember everything you learned in high school or even college if you went?

For example: if you're in you're 40s or 50s right now, unless you made a career out of it i'm willing to bet I'm better at calculus than you are. I still have my nueroplasticity, all the lessons and practice are fresh in my mind whereas you probably haven't used math beyond balancing your checkbook in years. by the way who still does that? We've got apps for that shit people, keep up.

Also textbooks get updated and new information is added to our collective human knowledge that you may not have bothered to go back and look up, So there's that to consider as well.

*Thats not to say that there aren't things older people typically do have more experience with*

On the reverse side as an adult you probably have a career, a spouse, and maybe kids too. If your career is dolphin training or construction work or whatever, i would never presume to know More about that than you. If you've been married for 20 years, you probably have a lot to teach people about how to make a marriage work. If you have kids I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kids. I dont have any. I may have opinions from the perspective of having been the child myself but maybe you should welcome that perspective every once in a while.

Having said all that, don't take that compliment as invitation to tell me creationism is true, or some comparably stupid bullshit, and then disregard my rebuttal just because I'm a teenager. The number of years youve been alive is not license to turn lies into facts mkay?

But by FAR the worst topic of conversation between young and old is POLITICS.

Its the worst topic ever, period. Between anyone. But nowhere is the disparity more apparent between the younger, more liberal generations and the older, more conservative generations.

And I'm not just making that generalization out of nothing. If it's not blatantly apparent to you you can just look at the polls and surveys. If you're a liberal older person like bernie sanders then cool, but you're an outlier in terms of the data collected.

(Insert link) Article on pew research study

The laws that govern this country affect ALL of society. Young, old, black, white, male, female, everyone. Not everyone gets to vote, which is fine I mean we can't have toddlers voting for president ok, there's got to be a line somewhere. but everyone still gets to voice their opinions.

Opinions are supported by facts and reasoning if theyre any good, not the age on your drivers license. So in closing, if you disagree with someone challenge the reasoning behind their statements instead of superficial qualities like their age.

Being older doesn't make you smart or right by default. Some adults are even outright stupid like this guy:

Thanks for reading!❤💗💞💖💕💓

[cherryphi82]

You lost me at "mkay?" That age is not guarantee for knowledge/skill on a wide variety of topics is a given. But there is a certain respect that has to be reciprocal, and when you use a condescending tone it's hard to take your arguments seriously. It's pretty easy, if you give respect, you get respect. If an elder blatantly disrespects you (because he can't hold up his end of the argument) then yes, they're being foolish and appeals to seniority mean nothing. But it goes both ways. And I do believe there is a certain experience that comes with age that young people just don't have, no matter what field they're into. Not respecting the guy who's made a life out of burger flipping is foolish on your part, simply because it shows that you look down on him for his lack of status. If you want to be consistent with your argument, then you have to stick by the tenet that all people can teach you, even if they do not have high status jobs or have traveled the world. Experience is not an automatic trump card, but it deserves a certain respect and I see a lot of young people who seem to disregard that, and that's just as foolish as telling a young person to shut up because they are X age.

[questionsWanswers]

Eh, I can't say I agree on that entirely. Yeah there's a baseline respect you should give anyone unless you know certain things about them that undermine their character. But that's it. The baseline respect is "hey you're a human being with rights lets try to get along."

As I stated many times in my take, just because I see someone older than me, doesn't mean I am obligated to assume anything about their intelligence or otherwise unless they show me evidence of this wisdom and experience you think is inherent with age. Its not. There's an egregious amount of stupid people in the world and a fair portion of them are in your age bracket as well as mine.

[questionsWanswers]

Oh and sorry if mkay came across snarky, its something I say all the time anyway😂 it's just me being memey.

[cherryphi82]

I can't help but hear out of your argument that you only respect people with social cred. The burger flipping example is pretty crucial here, because it shows your disrespect for people who don't have a certain image and status. Who's to say a guy who's burger flipping is unintelligent? Judgments like these make me suspect you as inexperienced, not because of your age, but just as a general absence of ability to think outside of the box.

[questionsWanswers]

How in the world do you get from point A to B on that one? I never said anything about social status. What did that offend you because you work at a fast food joint?

[questionsWanswers]

Would you take career advice from someone who's spent their whole life in the back of McDonald's? I'm curious

[cherryphi82]

Nope. I'm taking you up on the offer. You claimed that older people shut younger people up with their seniority because they can't present a cogent argument. I agree with you on the premise that older people aren't necessarily the wiser or deserve to shut you up on senority/age alone. I don't agree on the examples that you then give. I'm simply challenging you to examine your own way of thinking before you reach certain conclusions. No hard feelings.

[questionsWanswers]

Hey I like challenges. And you're right, we don't have to agree to get along☺

[NerdInDenial]

While you have some valid points there is one thing you ought to learn: tact. You can’t appear arrogant and aggressive and expect people to receive your criticism positively. Whether you want to give older people credit or not, the reason why ternagers’ opinions are not weighted as much as legal adults is due to responsibility. For most people if they make a mistake it can be very costly. However for most teens, minor mistakes and misinformed judgments are not dramatically costly because the responsibility rests on their parents. More importantly, businesses value experience and not necessarily education. Education is just a check in the box. Experience equates to results. I have led people who were older than me but they didn’t have college degrees. Did I automatically dismiss them? No, I listened because their experience saved me a lot of heartache at work. I would advise you to be more humble when it comes to older people. You may never know when their advice will help you. Otherwise, you’re going to have a lot of hard lessons learned.

[questionsWanswers]

And I would advise you to be more humble when it comes to younger people😊 you never know when their input could come in handy. You might be on jeapordy some day and bs like "Damnit I wish I knew what Machicolations were, wheres that teenage girl who loves castles?" Lol

[NerdInDenial]

Well good luck to you; don’t say I did not warn you.

[ADFSDF1996]

I agree, people tend to mistake experience (which may lead to wisdom) and knowledge with each other. I’ve politely corrected a few older people who assumed they knew everything because of their age. While a older person has more experience at life, it doesn’t always mean they know more or are wiser in all ways. I’ve met plenty of naive and ignorant 40 and 50 year olds who literally had no idea what they were talking about or how to complete certain tasks.

In my opinion a person who thinks they know more just because they are older may have a deflated ego, which is why some of them get upset and hostile when a younger person challenges their stance.

I’m not saying every older person is like this, I’ve met plenty of wise and knowledgeable older folks but we still have to acknowledge that there are many young people who are “wise beyond their years”.

[CoffeeWC]

This is definitely something that needed to be discussed. Great take!

[IlyaTheImpaler]

Maybe it's just the people i hang out with but nobody has ever tried to invalidate my opinion using my age. In fact my age seems to make me more intimidating when I talk to some people about certain things. The professors always liked me though.

Where I am from, in my generation, or the generations before me, Calculus (like integral and differential Calculus) is the kind of thing you expect high school students to be able to learn mostly by themselves... I really doubt educated 40-50 year olds could be that bad at it. Sure they might not remember some formulas, but facing a problem that isn't routine/textbook exercises, I would place my bets on the typical educated 40 year old, not the typical teen students (God no, NOOO) on their ability to find the correct approach and make partial progress.
It's quite easy to test really. there was an experiment where they gave a nonstandard geometry problem to both students who just learned geometry, and educated old people (who forgot most geometry). The result is the young people either got stuck and gave up, or immediately jumped into lengthy calculations with formulas they were taught, and wasted 30 minutes... the old people, some of them solved it after 15 minutes, they didn't know much about the formulas, but where they were stuck, they knew which part can be fixed, and they knew which approach is hopeless. Generally I believe older people have much better control of their strategy when solving difficult problem.

I might sound biased because (as a uni student) I owed most of my education to older folks (some I have never met in person). Browsing sites like Mathematics Stack Exchange I have to say that by far the most creative and insightful people are always past their 40s (e. g. an Italian high school teacher taught me how to find rank of a matrix by looking at parity, or mathoverflow.net/.../50163#50163)

Unfortunately it is usually younger people who think being good at Calculus means they are good at math, or worse, being quick at calculating with numbers means they're good at math... you know the feeling when you have stared at the depth of the abyss and those who just dip into the surface try to tell you they are the great explorers who have seen the world? it's like that.
Since I know a bit of math so I only speak of math, but I imagine it must be the same for other topics too. And I find those guys annoying.

[IlyaTheImpaler]

And I never argue with older people about politics, or with anyone about politics, that's just silly lol
Maybe that's why I don't have the same issue you have with some old folks.

[Schrodingerscat]

"being quick at calculating with numbers means they're good at math"

I agree with you on this. Quick calculation may mean you're good at arithmetic maybe. But not at Mathematics.

[IlyaTheImpaler]

@Schrodingerscat lol can't believe you read until the end of that rant I wrote while drunk and sleepy

[Schrodingerscat]

Lol you managed to make sense even if drunk lol 🙈

[goaded]

Education is knowing where to hit the machine to get it working. Experience is knowing how hard. :)

I try not to argue on the basis of age, and it happens in both directions ("what do you know, old man", is just as stupid). But I know a young person who said that children today have bigger problems than 100 years ago, which is only true in that they worry about bigger problems like global warming, but that's because they (in Europe, at least) don't have to worry about starving or finding a job/husband from the age of 12.

[Mr_Smile]

The older generation have lived longer, and thus have more experiance. Teenagers tend to hold the belief they are always right, and sometimes they are, but it is also important to recognise when you are wrong. Of course, just because they are older does not mean they are always correct. When talking to my father for exmaple about getting a new graphics card for my PC, he believed it would give graphics only as good as an Xbox, which could not be further from the truth. However, there are several times when I have been wrong but too stubborn to accept it (which I have since regretted).

One thing I heard once which I rather like, goes something like this: The wise man recgonises that he does not know everything, but the fool believes he does.

I don't remember where I heard it, but it went something along those lines and describes well how teenagers often believe that adults are dumb idiots who don't know anything, when they usually do, however sometimes adults do believe that simply being older makes them right..

[CubsterShura]

When an older person invalidates my point simply because I'm 17 and not because of any legitimate reason, I tell myself that my point was SO HELLA GOOD that people have to point out my AGE to prove me wrong.

Of course, older people left more years behind than I did, and I myself value older people and their advises a lot. My elders in family, teachers, older friends, I like to take their advice or know about their life experiences because you can learn so much from them.

But seriously, people telling me that my opinions and feelings are invalid because I am too young, what the actual heck? Only because I have less life experience, doesn't mean that I have NONE. And we have have different experiences and attitudes. Yes I can make mistakes and if I do, correct me instead of bashing me. It would be better both everyone.

Some people are saying here that older people like that don't really deserve our respect, but I don't necessarily agree. How others behave with me should not affect how I should behave with others. Others can be rude to me but it doesn't give me the right to be rude/disrespectful as well. Cause if I do, then there is no difference between me and those people anymore!

[CubsterShura]

Oh, and regarding knowledge, no one knows everything.

[Aki6000]

I tend to go with the quote by Confucius: "The wise man does not esteem a person more highly because of what he says, nor does he undervalue what is said because of the person who says it." If what someone says is logically sound, then it is sound no matter who it comes from. One could either agree with an opinion or disagree and then state their rationale for such a stance; however I believe the reasoning should never be 'what do you know at your age?'. People should be willing to put down their ego and listen to what someone says before looking at who it is and how old they are, metaphorically speaking of course.

[Ahsthen]

Logically sound? or just sound?

[Aki6000]

@Ahsthen logically sound for arguments, sound for opinions.

[Ahsthen]

I'm speaking from a Wittgenstein-ian perspective that good language equals good thought... and from that of Webern and economy.

[Aki6000]

@Ahsthen I'm not sure what you mean but good language does not automatically mean good thoughts. Language is a way of expressing thoughts and everyone expresses their thoughts differently where some might feel it good, some might feel it is bad. Furthermore one could say something and think another.

[Ahsthen]

Red He-rringggg. And lack of comprehension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka1NjXU7Dic

[Schrodingerscat]

I agree that younger people may not necessarily be 'wrong' in the objective topics you mentioned- calculus, castles and even politics.

But when it comes to things about life, where there is no one correct answer to everything, it is likely that an older person is likely to give a more mature advice for they must have gone through the similar situation or have a lot of experience of dealing with life in general.

But yes, even in that case, I would take their advice with a grain of salt because their experiences at our age were different than ours- because times have changed a lot since.

Talking of GaG, I have seen some immature teens as well as teens who have much more maturity than whole GaG population combined lol

[D_Bone_Steak]

I don't know... if I see my opposition doesn't have an opposing argument that can stand on its own hind legs, I start giving them those argument to see if they can run with it and how far they can run with it.

Simply put, I'm not trying to just win. The point of an argument can be to come to a greater truth together (which we can now call a conversation), or to be a dick and just try to win. The dicks just resort to bullshit like trying to shought down, browbeat, strawman, ad hominem, and whatever it takes... to simply win.

It's like fighting without rules. Yes, victory will go to the most powerful... but not always the most honorable. Just like in the military... where they're wrong, but use their rank to make themselves right.

[newbie2015]

While yes, some younger people can teach older people a few things and reciprocation is important for us all to grow, i would have to add YOU older will know more then YOU now. Experience does add wisdom. It doesn't make a total idiot any less of one. But we all learn lessons and many can only be learned by living life.

This doesn't meant I'd wanted to have played quizzo against a 20 year old stephen hawking. He surely would have kicked my arse. But i could deffinately beat the 20 year old version of me, unless of course the topic was 90s tv.

[Dchrls78104]

At the centre of this concern might be:

OLDER PERSON: Ego problem.
"Better a poor but intelligent little boy than a king grown too old and foolish to listen to anyone any more."

YOUNGER PERSON: Respect problem.
Just because you have learnt something that I've never learnt or that I've forgotten about for longer than you've been alive, doesn't mean you get to patronise me or flaunt it in my face! After all, I am older than you and would still appreciate it if you had respect for me.

The knowledge gained by the young and the experience gained by the older person are equally valuable and must be respected equally.

[RationalMale]

Being older than you doesn't make me right. Being right makes me right.

A lack of experience, and a lack of looking at the bigger picture, does indeed inflict a lot of young people. 26 year old me would bitch slap 18 year old me for the feel good nonsense I believed.

[questionsWanswers]

Sounds like you and you have some issues to work out😐

[RationalMale]

Part of growing up and getting a little experience is seeing life as it is and not as you think it should be. A lot of feel good ideas in reality end up getting people disappointed, hurt, or killed.

[questionsWanswers]

What makes you think I can't see life the way it is? you're preaching to the choir bro. If you're unfortunate and dont have a family and friends to help you in life, then its bleak and hard I know that. Wishing don't make it so, faith doesn't build bridges, and laziness doesn't put food on the table. I'm capable of empathizing and understanding things that haven't specifically happened to me. I haven't been raped but I know thats he'll to go through, I haven't been to war but I know I never want to. Your caricature of a young person is probably someone who never thinks about anyone but themselves and stares at screen all day. That's not me, many of us aren't like that at all. Maybe You were and that's why you don't like the past version of yourself, but you shouldn't project that regret onto someone else.

[Aki6000]

People aren't going to change the way they view things because of a few people who know more than others. It is fact that younger people have had less time to experience a wider range of things compared to older people. Yes, some young people work quickly and end up getting more experience than those who are older but never try but you must understand is that people like you are in the minority. The assumption that older people have more experience is one based on how it is most of the time. That is the reasoning for most people however I personally don't care how young a person is when listening to their opinions and arguments because if it's sound, then it is sound.

[J4Zzi3]

... accept any critique (Listen),
check about that critique is positive or negative (thinking)
correct yourself from that critique (positive)
that how you learn things?

Have you seen a kid who never go to school coz he/she don't listen and complain when he/she get older? that what happen when you don't listen XD well i have that in my family.

older = commonly have more experience. it's not hurt to stay and listen?

[Aki6000]

It does not hurt to listen, but it makes my ears bleed when people automatically assume they know more when that may not be true. I would gladly listen to anyone of any age and I will judge for myself whether what they say is sound or not.

[Ahsthen]

I didn't go to school cos it sucked a dick.

[Anonymous]

Goodtake. But there defenitley is a lot to be said for wisdom and experience. There are plenty of college graduates flipping burgers for instance many of whom could have avoided getting a worthless degree and running up huge student loans if they had just listened to advice from their elders.
I don't always take advice from my elders but I do listen to it fairly and take it on board before making a decision.
Also I would add the younger generation is becoming more conservative as the liberal baby boomers die out.

[Edanurus]

Their are certain things that you pick up in life and as such older people will try to give advice to the young. But why your young you don't listen and think you've got it all covered. Afterwards you find yourself trying to give the same advice thinking 'they're not going to listen to me'.

I find it hard to believe that there are people that would say your age stops you from knowing as much about things like castles or wake boarding, I can understand I've studied this x amount of years longer in that manner i guess. When it comes to politics the problem is that when your younger you're more idealistic and that doesn't always relate to how reality works. Saying that politics is a subject that no matter who it is it usually devolves into a shit slinging competition.

[tianarose23]

100% agree. As an eighteen-year-old, my opinion is frequently shut down by older generations. It's the exact same thing as just because you're older doesn't mean you're entitled to my respect. Yes, I automatically respect people, but it goes down the more I know you, or the more I hear you talk. And if you try to shut me down, my respect will definitely go down.

[Anonymous]

Problem is, they're right and you're wrong. That's just a fact. With age comes experience and with experience come wisdom. By the time you reach their age, you'll discover that you were an arrogant, ignorant, dumbass kid who didn't know shit when she was 17. And suddenly you are them.

Maybe you will be one of the few dumbass kids who realizes they are a dumbass kid before most their age. Based on this MyTake, I'm pretty sure you won't.

[Tomblebee]

Are you saying at an older age you have gained all the experiences of any given youngin and some?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee In most cases, yes.

[Tomblebee]

I disagree.

[Tomblebee]

Do you know about optical isomers?

[questionsWanswers]

50 year old ME will most definitely know more than 17 year old ME. I will most definitely look back at past mistakes and be glad that I improved upon them. That doesn't mean that any 50 year old is always knowledgeable about everything to a greater degree than any teenager. Nonetheless I expected your type of comments and I will try to learn from them. I most certainly want to be aware of your attitude and not follow suit. I don't want to lose myself to an obnoxious superiority complex as I age

[Opinion Owner]

@questionsWanswers Funny thing is, I was as ignorant as you when I was 17. Well, almost...

You'll learn. Everyone does, eventually...

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Do you know about enantiomers?

[Tomblebee]

Learn that you were always inferior to your elders? Surely there is an optimum superiority age before it starts to go backwards though?

[Tomblebee]

Do you know about chiral carbons?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Not always. There are exceptions.

There is no optimum superiority age. It varies from person to person. But in general, the average 30 year old is smarter and wiser than the average 17 year old. Fact.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Do you know about asymmetric carbon atoms?

[Tomblebee]

The average man is faster than the average woman.. but who said I was average?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Fair

[Tomblebee]

Do you know about Markovnikov's rule?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Do you know what happens when you add a protic acid HX to an asymmetric alkene? Vladimir did.

[Tomblebee]

If by protic acid you mean hydrogen halide... Then it's a halogenation addition reaction and Markovnikov's rule applies: the hydrogen rich carbon atom adjacent to the double bond will gain a hydrogen to form the major product whilst the hydrogen poor atom on the other side of the double bond will have the halogen attached to form a haloalkane/alkyl halide.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Yes, hydrogen (H) halide (X) = HX, a protic acid.

[Tomblebee]

Do you know about fiscal drag?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Yes I do. What do you want to know about it?

[Tomblebee]

I want to know why the tax brackets are made in such away that if they were actual steps to climb your stride would become out of hilter and cause you to trip.. What is it in your country?

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee https://taxfoundation.org/2018-tax-brackets/

[Tomblebee]

That's gonna look sketchy asf on my internet history.. thanks.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee Why?

[Tomblebee]

Don't you worry.

[Opinion Owner]

@Tomblebee I'm not worried.

[Tomblebee]

@travisx2019 The banks already seeing my bank statements with things like "shoot through" and "june skimming" now if they saw I was searching foreign tax rate policies... I don't know...

[Tomblebee]

@travisx2019 Keep your head on :P

[Opinion Owner]

@travisx2019 LOL... another child who can't quite manage to get his head out of his ass. You'll grow out of it, hopefully...

[travisx2019]

Hi Great Anon Wizard - please impart some more of your wisdom... if my head is currently in my ass and you are hopeful I will "grow out of it"... does that mean my head will get so big that it pops out of my ass? How long does that usually take as it seems like it would be quite inconvenient and painful. Thanks :)

[Opinion Owner]

@travisx2019 Most dumbass kids like yourself have no idea their heads are in their asses because the consequent pain and inconvenience is felt more by others around them than by themselves. How long it takes them to sort it out varies greatly from dimbass kid to dumbass kid.

Ufortunately, it is a fact of dumass kid nature that they are generally unable to "hear" the advice of people whose heads reside outside of their asses, like myself, so I'm not going to be able to help you as you seem to think. Best of luck with your condition.

[Opinion Owner]

I should add that another unfortunate reality of dumbass kids with their heads in their asses is that they ARE able to hear the thoughts and ideas of other dumbass kids with their heads in their asses, making even more difficult for them to overcome their condition. That phenomenon is evidenced here by you and OP.

[travisx2019]

What? Can you speak up please? It is a bit difficult hearing you from in here. :)

[Tomblebee]

What? They hang out all in the same arse? The rectusphere?

[travisx2019]

@Tomblebee Phew. Thought my hearing was going but I am able to hear you clear as a bell. I think Anon is talking but he's gotta speak up.

[Tomblebee]

@travisx2019 Everytime someone departs earthquakes reek havok on the world mwahahah

[travisx2019]

@Tomblebee oh wow... your infamous scary laugh really reverberates in this ass cavern :)

[Tomblebee]

@travisx2019 *soft nose muffles*

[travisx2019]

@Tomblebee I would offer you a tissue but I can't seem to get my arm around to do so... I really hope Anon was right and will soon grow out of this... it's awfully cramped :)

[BrianMerritt]

I've noticed this with guys on this website. You got 40, 50, 60 year old guys on GAG who think they are God's foreskin. They always break out the "I am wiser than thou, you have much to learn in life" crap. I talk to so many middle aged men who sound like frat boys.

[Anonymous]

True. Anyone claiming that seniority alone gives them the rightness of a position is on shaky ground.

But the flip side is that very often the youths attitude is that old people cannot understand them or their problems and whatever their position it is automatically wrong.

That is also on shaky ground.

[Anon-ymous1]

The terms "liberal" and "conservative" and "moderate" are pointless and erroneous, and no one should use them.

Good Take overall. I agree. Treating someone like they're stupid just because of their age is... stupid. No matter how old they are. Who learns anything from that?

[MrMAC777]

Good take! It is true that some people will throw that in your face! My elders always did, my Mother still does lol. But we are coming from different points on the timeline... we older people used to be standing right where you are: at the beginning. But doesn't mean we know everything. Nobody likes a know-it-all, no matter how old they are.