My Recent Involvement With US Police, And Why I Won't Answer Questions Again (Page 2)
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here's where you went wrong.
You drank then drove.
Meh. According to MADD 300,000 people drive "drunk" daily.
My driving was not affected by the alcohol in my system.
My motor skills were not affected by the alcohol in my system.
As such no one was in danger because of the alcohol in my system.
If you get some sort of perverse pleasure out of punishing people for things that aren't harming others that says more about you than I.
You willingly and knowingly broke the law, and now you're complaining that you got caught.
Do you hear yourself?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm saying that I was not a danger to anyone as pointed out by myself, my lawyer, the officer, and the judge. I was in trouble based on a technicality that came about because I was honest. I don't know if you're just being facetious or if you're serious, but the point of the law is to protect people, not to unnecessarily harm others.
IF YOU think that we should just punish people for no justifiable reason then that's on your conscience, not mine.
That 300,000 idiots who drive drunk every day does not mean you can do it too. 6,000 people a year die by drunk drivers. And drunk people never think they are too drunk to drive.
@TrixiePooch
So because 6000 people die from X we ruin the lives of all people involved in the ~109.5 million drunk driving incidents?
Your moral compass is quite different than mine. Although admittedly yours seems far more prevalent today. I don't think we should incarcerate and ruin the lives of people just because, "there's a 0.000055% chance that they could harm someone." I think that's because people simply aren't aware of the views they're espousing, but that's largely besides the point.
As pointed out in this specific case by the judge, myself, the arresting officer, my lawyer, and everyone involved I was not a danger to myself or others when I was driving. So it's kind of a moot point.
Alas, again. The point of this was not to justify driving, but rather to explain why I would not answer police questions in the future as pointed out in the title.
*ruin the lives of all people involved in the ~109.5 million cases of X
Your life wasn't ruined. You didn't wind up in jail for killing someone while under the influence. If you had it would have been the person killed whose life was ruined.
@TrixiePooch
-I'll lose over $10,000 minimum not counting associated costs (having to take cabs to work everyday).
-I'll have criminal record that will affect my job opportunities for at least the next 5 years. These next 5 years of course being the most formative as I'm in my early 20s and if you start late, it's hard to catch up.
-Whenever someone googles my name they'll find a full newspaper article full of incorrect information about my arrest. When I go to apply for another job do you not think they'll google my name, and that'll hurt my odds?
- I did have to go to jail. I just have to do electronic monitoring because of good behavior.
- I'll have to go to do an alcohol assessment and associated classes.
- I luckily won't, but most people in my shoes here also have to be sober for a year and not enter any store that sells liquor, a restaurant that has a bar, or almost anywhere. Do you not think that's incredibly problematic?
Again, all despite not being a danger to anyone.
@TrixiePooch
This may help put things in perspective. There was a fella with me in court today who was charged and evidently guilty of assaulting his ex-wife and violating multiple restraining orders. He also then went on to make terroristic threats against the town and her. This fellow, if convicted, would have to pay less monetarily than I, and would only serve ~20 days in jail as opposed to my "3".
I think your lawyer get his credentials out of a cracker jack box. He sure didn't do a very good job of defending you if what you say is true. Haven't you ever watched some of the TV cop shows like "Cops". Cops always ask if you had anything to drink but it is usually to ascertain how much. But lying would not be good either if they smell it on your breath and you say no. They don't like being lied to.
@TrixiePooch my lawyer is one of the best in the state and managed to get rid of some of the minimum sentencing things for my city which almost no one else could do (because he works throughout the state).
-My lawyer was dealt a pretty crappy hand. If I had kept my mouth shut we would have won, but because I answered that one question "Yes" everything the officer did was justified. That's what the judge said everything turned on after reviewing all the evidence.
- You don't lie to the police either. As I pointed out in this myTake you just tell them politely that you do not answer questions and that you want to cooperate to the fullest extent of the law. Did you read what I wrote above or no?
Meh. "best" may be a tad hyperbolic. He's very good.
You can't drink and drive period! In japan even 0.01 will send you to jail end fines with up to 5000$ and same for your friend quiz he allowed you to drive. So you got of easy.
Well, I don't live in Japan, so I'm held to American law. That said I acknowledged that I broke the law and that I am "guilty" of doing so. My point was that the punishment exceeds the merits of the "crime", and further that the law in this case did not do what it's intended to do. The intent of the law is to ensure that "dangerous" drivers are off the road. As noted here though neither my driving nor motor skills were affected by my BAC as noted by passing the field sobriety tests.
PS you look like an old friend of mine we called "moose".
Well when you will lose someone close due to someone beeing drunk and driving, your opinion will change.
Ps. Happy to remaind of old friend ;)
Mm. I don't want to castigate and judge a group of people by the actions of one or two. Hopefully that wouldn't change just because a loved one is a victim.
Ok girl... Simply put don't be stupid. Don't drink and drive! No sympathy from me. Any human will come up with excuses to not be guilty.
1) I admitted that I drank and drove. My point was that my driving and motor skills were not affected by the alcohol in my system as demonstrated by the FSTs and agreed upon by myself, the officer, my lawyer, and the judge.
2) This was about why I wouldn't talk to officer's again. It was not a statement that I would do it again. Quite to the contrary I explicitly stated that I won't. I won't talk to officer's again because I learned that it CANNOT help you. It can only hurt you.
What I find odd is that you STILL just don't learn the lesson - DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE. Geesh.
What I find odd is that you're supposedly 60 years old, but don't know how to read.
You're really not that bright are you? LOL
Oh well, next time maybe you'll spend some time in the clink. Kids these days... sheesh. ;)
1) I admitted that I drank and drove. My point was that my driving and motor skills were not affected by the alcohol in my system as demonstrated by the FSTs and agreed upon by myself, the officer, my lawyer, and the judge.
2) This was about why I wouldn't talk to officer's again. It was not a statement that I would do it again. Quite to the contrary I explicitly stated that I won't. I won't talk to officer's again because I learned that it CANNOT help you. It can only hurt you.
Well, you're certainly right about that. Never pass up the opportunity to simply STFU. :)
NEVER offer information to any LEO. It will be used against you. It's even stated so in Miranda.
If a LEO is being unreasonable or acting outside what you think is reasonable, simply let them arrest you, and get your lawyer to answer the questions. You can't fight them from at least hauling you in.
I carry a firearm. A gun-lawyer card is on the refrigerator. Wifey is to call him if I ever have to actually use my weapon. Good or bad shoot, you're still getting arrested.
Pretty sure I'm right about all the things I said, but I again agree. I normally open-carry, but if I'm going to work or to a bar I don't as a precaution.
lawyer up at all costs
I did already. It's already just about over. I'm asking specifically about pleading guilty now after all this time, but I don't think he's wrong in his assessment that I'm damned no matter what. The only benefit I see in trying to drag it out is to burden the prosecution and hope that they offer a plea agreement to a lesser crime, but that doesn't seem at all likely.
Good to stand up to ANY authority.
Yeah and what about the murders and the rapists?
The murders and the rapists? Well aside from a confusing use of the grammatical tense my assumption is that your question is... If you think that speaking to police can only hurt you and not help you then what if you ever commit murder and decide not to talk to the police? I'm really not thinking that's what your question is though... So perhaps you could clarify.
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Don't drink and drive kids
Sure sweety.
Drinking and driving don't mix