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Why Trump should let the US Navy build a new modern Battleship in 2020? (Page 2)
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I'm not American but... Doesn't that cost like... A ton of money? Where will your president aquire enough to build one? I think it's a risky move. Besides, the United States is pretty well protected as is really.
What ironic is the president is rich enough to build one himself with his own money it cost roughly about $30 million
@Stoner710 actually Pelosi and Warren could build one
The US debt is like 15 trillion dollars. They will just print another billion
The US just spent over a $Billion on a new Aircraft Carrier, just so they can stick their noses in other's business while homeless vets are freezing outside. I can't see why anyone would ever join the military if that is how the US Armed Forces treats it's retirees. It's down right disgraceful!
@Daniela1982 what is disgraceful is liberals prioritizing illegals over American citizens
@Rissyanne You don't have to preach to me, I live in California. :(
@Daniela1982 we got thoughs dang Canadian up here lol jk (Washington )
I know you have good reasons but battleships were ended because they weren’t extremely useful for their size their awesome and cool to look at but on today’s battlefield battleship are really just out of style but I would be down to see the mighty Mo back in action.
I like the idea, but in today's military age battleships are obsolete. It would make a hell of a land bombardment platform, just like world war 2.
Actually aircraft carriers are obsoleted thanks to SAM missiles. Technology swings advantage to the battleship.
Not necessarily. We have technology to jam sam missiles radar tracking capabilities. Have had it since Vietnam.
Not a guarantee as demonstrated by the high casualties of the air war over Vietnam.
There's a reason NATO aircraft stayed out of Syria while the Russians were there.
You're talking 50 years ago. I'm guessing you haven't seen any footage from the 1st gulf war. We shot down Sam's by the 100s.
... and Iraqi air defences were from the 70s rather than 2020. Stealth technology was at its most effective then.
The damage done by a missile will Pierce any armor, especially considering that rail guns are a thing now, and hypersonic missiles. It's just easy to destroy a ship. It's hard to defend it.
If you're talking about a "missile carrier" type of ship, that's probably a good idea, but this whole, canons and armor thing is kind of outdated.
Ww2 cannons are outdated, missiles can be jammed and shot down. Shells or darts launched by a rail gun are basically unstoppable and cost effective.
Modern anti-ship missiles won't pierce the side of a ww2 battleship let alone a 2020 battleship and even then only if it gets through its defences and even then the missle has to be launched by an aircraft, ships or land forces that has come within range of its anti-air, anti-ship and sea-land weapons long before it was able to target the battleship.
A 2020 battleship is not going to be remotely the same as ww2 battleship.
Taking the old battleships out of mothballs and refurbishing/modernizing them can be done for half the cost of a new fleet of battleships! Be real, this My Take is foolish. Donald Trump is not about to waste billions building brand new ships when the Navy is maintaining four or five old battleships for just such a need.
That would be like scrapping all the B-52s and B-1s and building a new fleet of long-range bombers. Not going to happen, it's a pipe dream.
The b52s and b1s are no longer fit for purpose, they are fine for striking 3rd world countries with no air defences. Long range bombers as an offensive weapon have been obsolete since the late 60s, it's the same story as aircraft carriers today.
I think they sitll have WWII battle ships that could be reactiveated cheaper than building a new one. I'm sure the Missouri or New Jersey would kick ass. Weren't some reactiveated so serve in Viet Nam?
@Daniela1982 a reactivate ww2 battleship would be ok but it would be like updating a Sherman tank with the latest tech instead of just build Abrams tanks.
Iowa class battleships were reactivate in the Vietnam war and again in the 80s by Reagan, deactivated after the gulf war.
Bombers can be shot down with today's technology. You would do better on a video game.
But they were reactivated for their firepower, not their practibility.
Yeah no, Battleships got phased out for a reason.
Aircraft Carriers are far more important
Aircraft carriers are obsolete, your thinking is from 70 years ago.
Sure if your only attacking 3rd world militaries the aircraft carriers are perfect but with a modern military like China or Russia carrier aircraft would be blown out the air by their air defences and the carrier sunk by anti ship missiles if it ever got close enough to launch strike aircraft.
A. No, Battleships have been outdated for 70 years,
They are good only for engaging other ships or shelling coastal regions.
A Carrier has Versatility that a battleship lacks.
And a Guided Missile cruiser does a battleships jobs better than they ever did.
B. The amount of range of a battleship is severely limited by intelligence and they have to get close to shore to be effective for what a Carrier can send planes out to do.
C. Railguns? Yeah caseless shells would be useful but to be frank artillery like that is inferior to the kinds of missiles that could be launched by a Cruiser.
D. Then you have Attack Subs who can sneak in and out and do massive damage
Airpower has been obsolete since Vietnam , just ask John McCain. Carriers are only good for bombing missions against 3rd world countries with no air defences completely ineffective against modern militaries. A modern 2020 Battleship has vsrsality carriers lack mainly the ability to hit targets while remaining out of range.
Guided missle cruisers are glass cannons that lack firepower, armor and sustainability in a fortnight.
Nuclear hardened steel tipped darts land with a lot of kinetic energy, twice that of an explosive artillery shell of the same type, also there's smart shells and not to mention a Rail gun is cheaper and outranges strike fighters. Attack subs can be tracked via sattelite and are as much danger to a carrier as a 2020 battleship. If You want to project naval power you need a 2020 battleship, carriers and missile cruisers can't give you that.
And he should give to Putin and the Saudis as a gift. Then they could celebrate our demise.
What is wrong with the Saudis when you are filling up at the gas station?
What is the problem with the Saudis and putin?
So you agree that our highest military tech should be given over to the Saudis and Putin?
I thought so.
Well why not considering Clinton and Obama sold it go China already.
The Saudis have the highest US tech, they have had it for decades and pay for it.
Haha! You mean a battleship that has not been built yet has been given to China?
What do you guys smoke to come up with these visions?
I mean Obama sold us military equipment to China which is why China's new military equipment looks very similar to us military gear
Based upon what? That hit of PCP you had last night?
Did you guys know that Taiwan and China are two different nations?
He wanted to bring the Missouri class back but the Navy didn't want it. I dont see the Navy bringing back battleships anytime soon. I would love to see a modern Missouri without the cannons as a nuclear powered cruiser, maybe with a couple railguns.
Didn't bother to read, just here to let you know that naval warfare is a thing of the past.
Ok boomer
A total of 9 naval battles happened since 2001. Thats 1 every two years... But yeah, pour billions into it.
2001 – December 22 Battle of Amami-Ōshima Japanese coast guard vessels sink an armed North Korean spy trawler.
2002 – June 29 Second Battle of Yeonpyeong A South Korean naval patrol encounters North Korean intruders and force them to withdraw.
2006 – May 11 – The Sri Lankan Navy and LTTE Sea Tigers clash, leaving 18 SLN personnel and 4-30 Tigers dead
2008 – August 9 – The Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet sinks a Georgian Navy ship during the Battle off the coast of Abkhazia
2009 – November 10 Battle of Daecheong A South Korean patrol damages a North Korean gunboat forcing it to withdraw.
2011 – April 29 – French frigate Courbet engages four Libyan RHIB mineplanters off Misrata, sinking one.[8]
2011 – May 12 – Canadian, British, and French ships repulse a Libyan naval attack on the city of Misrata.[9]
2017 – March 16 – Somali Pirates hijack an oil tanker[10]
2018 – November 25 – 2018 Kerch Strait incident Russian and Ukrainian ships skirmish at Kerch Strait during the War in Donbass
If you want to keep the sea lanes open and prevent China from expanding into its neighbours you need a strong navy
In the early 1900s Poland had the best horse cavalry in the world, but so what if the germans had tanks. The same anecdote is true for the navy. So what if you have a really big one if a couple of drones can take it out within minutes. The rules on engagement constantly change as the technology advances. The days of sea battles are long gone.
https://youtu.be/FXLcbrD6nsQ in the 1900s Poland was part of Russia and Germany. Machine guns had made cavalry obsolete just like modern tech has made cold war era ships obsolete. Drones are no good as electronic warfare can jam the signal. Jam a drone signal and a drone falls out of the sky. Also a drone wouldn't be able to get close enough, before it got the ship in range the ship will have shot it down.
upload.wikimedia.org/.../..._aboard_USS_Ponce.webm
Not really sure what the point of that video was. Taking out a barely moving target isn't all that hard. Also do you see how slow their targeting system is? Imagine how long it would take for it to locate 100 drones. https://youtu.be/9i1QCyclb5Q the US didn't even know they were being watched. Could have gotten blown up without a problem.
You're wasting time dude. The navy is outdated.
Same goes for fighter pilots, an AI will take their jobs within a decade or two.
The last fleet engagement for the U. S. Navy was against the Imperial Japanese Navy in October 1944. Unmanned vessels are the future not battleships. https://youtu.be/wqb4xzhd40w
https://youtu.be/inRnG_CMS_4
ps: You wasted quite a lot of time on this nonsense. Try to spend your time a little better. You start with "they haven't built one in 75 years" yet this didn't give you a clue that there must be at least a hundred reasons as to why not? Was this an attempt at being edgy or something?
Ronald Regan make a comment, that the only way too prevent war, was to be too strong for anyone to challenge you.
I think that we still need to stay up to date.
They should continue to counter everyone else’s advancements. I heard chinas build a Great Wall now in the South China Sea. We need to continue keeping all sides in check.
The US ships only had 16 inch guns. The only ship that had 18 inch guns was the Japanese ship the Yamoto and it's sister ship.
Good catch but no way are you female
@jekprotecc I read a lot.
Why is my knowledge sticky for males?
Ok but I never said US battleships did I dont think. Interesting fact is that the US Iowa class battleship in ww2 could outrange with its 16 inch guns could outrange the Japanese Yamato class battleships with their 18 inch guns.
Never met a girl who knew about WW2 battleship guns before!
I guess the bigger they are the bigger they fall. Where did you hear this? I have never read anything about range. Not that it matters as they got sunk by airpower.
@jekprotecc Well you have now!
Cool
We already have a Zumwalt class destroyer with new tech. I dont see the need for a battleship in this day/age.
So we're going to war with China over Taiwan is the reason for a big battleship?
Actually protecting the sea lanes, that includes Vietnam, the Philippines, Australia, Japan and a few others.
Oh. But I thought the Coast Guards sufficed in that endeavor. A big ship would mean serious warfare. Though that's just me thinking that in my old WW2 documentary knowledge...
I never served in the military, so I'm sure you would know more about this than I. I was disqualified from military service years ago in my youth due to a genetic partial hearing loss. The military doesn't want people who can't hear orders from a distance or can't comprehend radio talk. I get it. And it was explained to me by my recruiter, at the time, that if you're already partially hearing defective, you're going to be nearly deaf after basic training. I think he was joking, in part, but I get it. He was right. A serg shouting in my face isn't going to help me hear him better because my hearing dysfunction is such that I hear sound but language gets confusing.
Even George Bailey fought the battle of Bedford falls even though he had only partial hearing.
I'm not sure who that is, but a hearing dysfunction is complex. Imagine if you don't have 20/20 vision and you need glasses to see writing in the distance. It's kind of like that. You see something in the distance but you can't read it. Poor hearing is like that. You hear something in the distance but you can't understand it. It's like another language.
I guess this is why some vets are lonely. No one wants to be around people who can't hear them, especially beautiful women. Everyone hates repeating themselves.
Tbh, I'm Canadian, but navies need to modernize at times. Sadly, Canada hasn't done that so well since our military budget is so low.
Our training is super good, but our budget is so shit that we can barely fuel our motorized vehicles. Honest to god, UN has newer planes than the Douglas.
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sure, but that’s more than a billion dollars, where’s that going to come from?
Where is the money for the next aircraft carrier coming from?
from all the taxes we pay
@CasaNorba aren't single mothers, who are divorced already sacking that in?
@Unit1 no, that is what republicans want you to think. only a few of the money they take from us goes to single mothers and everyone else in the leeching class. the majority goes to militants and folks who manufacture weapons
@CasaNorba we spend about 54 billion on illegals
From the literal Trillions of dollars of the US military budget.
@SwordShield the green new deal is going to cost trillions of dollars and it’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard
@Rissyanne That's heavily debatable.
@Rissyanne You wouldn't understand the importance of modernizing. I'm from Canada, we can barely fuel our nearly outdated West German Leopard tanks, or get newer planes instead of using older Douglas's.
The newest carrier was over a billion dollars yet a couple of Exocet missiles could take it out. Plus do any ships have a defense against nuclear weapons?
They just commissioned one at a Billion dollars. Just think of all the homeless it could feed. Because it could be sunk easily with modern weapons.
@Daniela1982 what about the billions of dollars that Obama sent overseas right before he left office. And the billions of dollars we spend on illegals
@Rissyanne Please, I live in California, don't tell me about illegals!
@Daniela1982 then stop whining about spending money in the military
Modern missile technology largely renders battleships obsolete. I'd rather spend the money on improving air and AI superiority.
Modern missile technology makes aircraft obsolete. Missiles can be jammed or shot down, they also need to be guided to the target.
Where will the funds come from? Upkeep and maintenance. Plus they're too busy with his stupid wall lol
Lasers are forbidden by international law
Not for destroying suicide boats, uavs, missiles or enemy aircraft