Let's Talk, Listen, Ask, and Understand (Part 1): "White Guilt", Speaking Up, "All Lives Matter".

[SpiderManFan2002]

Firstly, I wasn't even going to write about everything that's gone on now

Because every time I speak my opinion on this website, people come down on me like a ton of bricks. I've been called names, had horrible things wished upon me, been accused of things I haven't done, and even in some instances people have accused my family of things they haven't done and eventually you just get sick of everyone bothering you, and you just think: "Fuck it, I'm trying to give these people an alternative perspective but they don't want to hear it so just fuck it, I don't need to be giving myself this extra stress."

It's like on one hand, some of y'all cry for freedom of speech yet the minute someone says something you don't like or agree with you cuss them down, rather than trying to understand their perspective- you just shut them down. And if you're reading this and thinking: "yeah but once we had a discussion and you started swearing at me and calling me names" and I'm not going to deny it, yeah I have at some people. Was it right? No. But I've been on this site since I was 15, 16 and now I'm 17. And some of the shit I've put up with on here, for simply speaking from another perspective, those of you that know me really well will know- and chances are if I swore at you or insulted you, it's probably because I was sick of all the shit I was getting from people so you probably reminded me of those people and I took it out on you even though I shouldn't have but I mean I'm only 17 I'm still learning and I'm trying not to do that anymore.

I sort of do and don't want to do this MyTake, but I suppose I'll just risk it, it's not like it's a college night.

So what made me want to write about whatever it is I'm going to write about?

I was wasting a good percentage of my life on this website as usual, and then I came across this really really interesting MyTake by @Apope16 - The Silent Guilt of White People in America

Now usually, you read an interesting MyTake it's the author who's the most interesting, but this time, what I find equally as interesting is the responses he got. Firstly, the dude has some strength to see all those responses and not respond to a lot, because in the past I've written stuff where people responded with a similar sort of attitude, it's fired up me and I'm fucking clickety clackiting at the keyboard so fast because, feeling: triggered. But it takes some serious strength to just ignore those responses, which in some instances, I kinda wished I'd done.

And again, seeing those responses it did get me a little sparked up on the inside, and I wanted to respond to them all- and I know some of you are thinking: "Dude, it's just people on the internet, chill." But whether it's in real life, or on the internet, they're still people and believe it or not I believe most of them aren't bad, a lot of the time they just misunderstand so I kind of feel the need to try and make them understand from another perspective, then I feel guilty if I don't, but when I do meh you read my rant above I don't need to repeat it- it's all just really complicated I guess.

Now the questions I'm about to quote, aren't from specific people, and they're not just from this MyTake they're more general attitudes of people I've seen around G@G and the internet in general. I just felt the need to credit his MyTake because it's kinda what pushed me to finally say something on here.

As for the MyTake itself, and what he wrote, in some ways as a brown Muslim girl growing up in the UK I definitely feel like I could relate to some of it. It was very well written, and I honestly people just need to put their Captain America shields down, and listen to what he's saying because it's not at all an attack, so there's no need to defend yourself.

"Why should I feel guilty for being white?"

?

You should not feel guilty or apologise for being white. That's not what we're trying to say.

I've had so many interesting discussions with my friends who are white about this. One actually messaged me today, he didn't directly say it to me, but he certainly implied that he felt ashamed to be a white male because of white supremacists defending statues of slave owners. And I sent one lengthy ass text message, I don't wanna copy & paste it here, because it's apart of our private chat and I don't know how he'd feel about that but I'll sum what I said:

- That he should not feel ashamed to be a white male

- That just because the majority of white supremacists at that protest shared his skin colour and gender that doesn't make them his people.

- That just because they're his race and gender does not mean he has to claim them or feel responsible for their actions or idealogy.

- (He was worried about people thinking he's one of them based on his skin colour and gender) That his skin colour and gender does not speak for him and if someone does think or accuse him of being one of them to stand up for himself and tell that, that firstly he isn't and will never be one of them, and that his skin colour does not speak for him, and tell them that they just racially stereotyped him which was racist. And if I was there, and any of our other POC friends happened to be there we'd all be on his side because we know him and we know what he stands for and he's our friend.

"So what's all this business about 'white guilt' then, if I shouldn't feel guilty for being white?"

Huh?

When people say the phrase: "white guilt" they DON'T mean, "feel guilty for being white."

They mean "if you're white, and you haven't spoken up about racism when it comes to people of colour because you believe it's not your place for some reason because you're not POC then you should feel guilty."

"But why should I speak up for black people, brown people, or people of colour in general, shouldn't you speak up for yourselves instead of relying on us to speak up for you?"

We do speak up for ourselves. The biggest difference many are saying in these #BLM protests is that there's a lot more white people protesting with us.

Why is that important?

We are all apart of this society, and we should all speak up against injustice and oppression regardless of our skin colour. Just look at these police brutality stats right here:

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

"Black people were 24% of those killed despite being only 13% of the population"

I would copy and paste all the victims on the page but there is simply too much of them, so I think that says everything in itself, so scroll down this link to see for yourself here: https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed

And here's another: https://policeviolencereport.org/

So clearly there is oppression and police brutality going on, and black people are affected the most by it. And they're only affected the most by it, due to racism i.e. racial stereotyping "he's black so he is more a threat" kind of mentality.

And it's everyone's job to speak up regardless of your skin colour. You may think: "it's not your problem" but I'm sorry, it is. These people being killed regardless of their skin colour are your people too, they're in your society. I'm not black but I still consider black people to be my people. I'm not white but I still consider white people to be my people. I'm brown and I consider brown people to be my people. I consider everyone who isn't bigoted to be "my people" because it shouldn't be skin colour that defines who "our people" are. It should be so much more than that.

If you're apart of a religious/non-religious community surely there are people of different races apart of your religion, aren't they your people? If you go to school/college/university or work and there's people of different races who work with you or study with you aren't they in a way apart of a community you're apart of? Therefore doesn't that make them your people?

Why is it when we define who our people are we limit that to skin colour? "You look like me, so we're the same people" I'm sorry, no, I wouldn't consider a racist person of any race to be my own, even if they look like me. It should be what we believe in which makes us one, not the colour of our skin. And I believe in anti-racism, anti-fascism, all to sum it all up nicely anti-discrimination, and anti-bigotry so anyone who believes in those things regardless of which race you belong to you, I consider you to be my own.

As a brown girl, by speaking up with black people (not 'for' them but 'with' them), with white people, and with brown people I am speaking up for myself and others.

By speaking up against racism, discrimination, oppression and bigotry I am speaking up for myself and others.

So if I can, why can't you? It's just your problem, or my problem, or their problem- it's our problem, and part of that problem is we divide ourselves based on skin colour. So let's not do that and speak up as one voice and one community.

"But I never committed brutality upon anyone, so why should I speak up?"

I never committed any brutality on anyone either, but I'm still speaking up. Why? Because by being silent, I'm allowing it to continue happen.

I think most people would agree with me, when I say- I want police brutality, racism, and discrimination to end, right? Well what's good saying all those empty words and not actually doing anything about it? I've always been told, if I want something I should do something to get it.

So speaking up, is doing something, educating myself is doing something about, standing with my people against racism, bigotry, oppression and fascism is doing something. Staying silent is doing nothing and it makes it easier for people to carry on committing these atrocities because nobody is speaking up. And now that people are, I shouldn't have the mentality: "Oh they're doing something so I don't need to" No, everybody needs to, that's what makes the cause stronger.

Every voice acts as a catalyst towards change, real change.

"If you're saying, 'we shouldn't divide ourselves on race' and we should just be 'one community' then why do you say #BlackLivesMatter instead of All Lives Matter?"

One powerful example

Another

Of course all lives matter. That's why I'm saying #blacklivesmatter . Because police brutality statistics are suggesting otherwise. Yes white people and brown people are affected by police brutality but not as much as black people clearly.

#blacklivesmatter doesn't mean other lives don't matter, it is trying to tell you black lives matter because the law enforcement certainly doesn't seem to think so, judging by the stats I provided.

100+ black people were killed in 2015, and most of their killers have not been arrested. Don't their lives matter? If they did, then why weren't their killers arrested back in 2015? Why are we in 2020 and still talking about this?

I also find it so ironic how "all lives matter" isn't applied to everything. Like where is all lives matter when Trump imposed the travel ban? Some people in those countries would want to flee to America to escape oppression, but they can't because of the travel ban so where were y'all with your 'all lives matter' then? Or at the Christchurch shooting, where I saw a number people on G@G think it was okay that those people died because they were Muslims? Why didn't you all come at them with your 'all lives matter' then? Or when neo-nazis marched through Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us" where were any of you, condemning them saying "all lives matter?" And how many of you saying "all lives matter" now defended them neo-nazis in the name of freedom of speech?

Why isn't "all lives matter" applied to every injustice? Why is it that I only ever see "all lives matter" when people say "black lives matter?"

I don't think the term "all lives matter" is to actually say 'all lives matter' it's just to counteract people saying black lives matter trying to divert attention away from a problem.

Okay...

I haven't said all I wanted to say yet, so we'll call this part 1. I'm probably not going to reply to most of you in the comments, especially those with opposing views. Instead, I'll listen to what you have to say, and have my response in another MyTake- unless, I feel I need to respond here.

Replying to everyone individually is too time consuming, and chances are if you're asking that question many other people will be too, so it's better just to write it all in one MyTake. There's too much to say in one MyTake alone. But just because I don't reply to you or answer any of your questions on this thread doesn't mean I'm not listening, just lookout for my next ones and I'll try to answer everyone. And for some of your questions, I may not know the answer to, so I'll have to research and find it- these things take time.

But please be respectful on here, I can't do with a repeat of previous times. In all honesty, I'm worried about some of the responses I'll get because I don't know what people are going to say.

I'm just really tired now, so that's a wrap for today.

Bye :)

[tartaarsaus]

Firstly, good mytake. Well written.

Second, I find this entire debate on one hand rather funny, I guess. Perhaps a bit inappropriate, but hear me out. What I get from the media here is that typically the far-right (every single major political party except those calls this really justified) stigmatizes immigrants as bringing evil stuff to the country, taking away jobs, being intolerant, hating this nation yadayadada. And when there is a debate that encompasses the role of white people in racism, they get mad. Just an interesting observation.

But yeah, I agree with the main sentiment. It is important to speak up about prevalent issues, as those significant issues typically only get reformed if there is extremely large pressure to do so. You really need all the people you can muster for such events, as it ain’t changing without that. And then it becomes a matter of “do you care enough about other people in your country to not want them to suffer from racism?”, which I think deserves a fairly obvious answer, namely a resounding yes.

My dad was also on the alllivesmatter thingy but just because he felt that it was wrong for people to largely ignore stuff happening to jews, mosques being firebombed here, and other types of violence. But he does agree with the goals of BLM. Anyway, I do think the AllLivesMatters more or less is something that people say to prevent BLM from getting traction. I don’t find it a legitimate point to be honest. Of course there are many types of injustice around the world, but every campaign has a specific focus. Unicef trying to decrease hunger in the Malawi does not imply they tell everyone in Bangladesh to go fuck themselves.

[tartaarsaus]

Eventually, I do typically maintain that there are other structural problems related to the position of black people in society, as in artificial barriers, that are likely more impactful (education). To cite Paul Krugman: “Dumb rich kids go to college more than smart poor kids”. And that problems is at the basis of an extremely large part of inequality (per Piketty). Basically implies that without sufficient government effort, severe inequality, from which PoC suffer disproportionately, is perpetual. That chain ought to be broken up. My opinion is that to break this chain of inequality and injustice among black people and others is 1) reform in police, 2) significantly more spending by the governments to actually tackle severe inequality. It reduces educational inequality, which has a significant impact on income inequality. Of course everything regarding racism among police (and more) is an incredibly important debate and quite justified that requires focus, but far more significant reform ought to tackle income inequality (in my opinion).

[SpiderManFan2002]

" And when there is a debate that encompasses the role of white people in racism, they get mad. Just an interesting observation."
Yeah I agree with this. Maybe a better term to have used would have been ironic instead of funny, I guess?

But yeah, it's certainly a classic case of they can give but they can't take.

And yeah totally it's always important to speak up against any form of oppression or bigotry- I mean we have to accept that we have different people among us, so we shouldn't want them to suffer from any form of discrimination or bigotry- this time, the case being racism.

I can see where your dad is coming from, antisemitism and Islamophobia are both huge problems in society, so is any form of discrimination. I don't think BLM wants us to ignore those issues but it wants us to be aware of the racism black people still face in 2020.

And yeah your "Bangladesh" scenario, is true. My problem with 'All Lives Matter' is it's only ever said when BLM is said. If it was genuine, you'd hear it at any time of oppression, but you don't. A number of these people saying 'All lives matter' are also people who say shit like "Muslims are outbreeding us" "Jewish people wanna take over the world" and "immigrants are taking our jobs"- dumb shit like that you know? I just don't think it's sincere, or genuine or actually means all lives matter at all.

[SpiderManFan2002]

And to that reply you did, and yeah Krugman is right, that isn't the case 100% of the time but it is in a lot of instances, in my opinion.

And yeah I totally agree about reforming the police. To be honest, when people say 'defund the police' I think a lot of them really mean 'reform the police' or 'don't spend so much money on the police' given some police departments get billions spent on them. I honestly don't believe they need billions, especially with the whole police brutality crime they're committing. And yes, much more does need to be invested into education. Whenever you say this you'll always get some whiny person be like: "Oh you can't just throw money at the problem" But who says only throw money at the problem? It's no secret that in certain areas schools and education needs more investment.

[tartaarsaus]

Oh definitely, ironic is the better word. It just wasn’t on top of my mind when I wrote it 😅

Yeah I’d say that is indeed the case regarding my dad and you’re correct about it. He typically just feels that a lot of things get overshadowed and that for a month time this thing is super highlighted everywhere (justified) while there are many other problems that people just ignore. I would agree with him on that, but yeah I can of course totally understand the justified reason why BLM is needed and big now.

And true. Typically when you hear “alllivesmatters” it’s used to discredit “BLM”, whilst you indeed won’t hear those people when there are other types of injustices happening everywhere.

[tartaarsaus]

Definitely, a significant part of the position is related to discrimination and the segregation that was just so recent. If there’s one thing I had to learn this entire semester in uni is that institutions, even when abolished, can have impact for many generations.

Given that segregation was until a more 60 years ago, you definitely have the leftovers from discrimination, the leftovers of those ideas now as well. It is a massive problem.

And true. I read it’s generally used to argue for reform of the police (quite unfamiliar of the term so I just read it online). I did read that the training for police officers is rather short in many places in the USA, which would be an obvious thing to reform in. And set stricter rules of engagement for when they may use violence.

And lastly, throwing money at problems does help if they are initially relatively starved of money 😅 I can recall that again Krugman mentioned that the basic tests for academic performance taking in primary school basically show that there are no inherent reasons why you’d expect PoC (or women for that matter) to score worse in academic tests. The thing that then lacks is accessibility to education, healthcare, decent infrastructure and that sort of stuff. That’s what gets communities out of poverty, decreases crime rates, decreases the need for police and allows everyone to have better lives.

[angeliquedevereux2]

Awesome mytake! Also to stop thag stupid emoji popping up put a dot between the 3 and the bracket 3.)

[SpiderManFan2002]

Thanks :)

[sensible27]

Or you can just put a space : )

[angeliquedevereux2]

The space usually cancels itself out when i try it: 3)

[sensible27]

3 )...

[sensible27]

You on desktop or something?

[angeliquedevereux2]

Yeah lol

[BoountyHunter]

I consider myself quite liberal, and have always supported the basic tenants of the BLM movement.
However, much of what has gone on recently has made me question the movement...
and its been one of the few times I've found myself agreeing with figures like Ben Shapiro.



Yes, Police Brutality exists, and Yes, Blacks are disproportionately killed by Police officers.
However, lets accept the fact that the Black community commits a disproportionate amount of the crime... nearly half of all murders each year are committed by this community (and often against itself)
nearly all interracial crime (according to Manhattan Institute) were committed by black individuals
nearly 90% of all crime between blacks and white were committed by Blacks (according to the 2018 report I listed above)
Really.. the list on this goes on and on

However... this does not validate police brutality or murders

in my opinion.. SOME police departments are clearly prejudiced/corrupt/inept/disorganized
but the idea that there is some form of systematic prejudice.. is quite ridiculous
THOSE departments that show clear signs of prejudice need to be dealt with
but the whole "Cops are Bad" mentality is not helpful to anyone... nor is it the reality for the majority of men and women who work in the police force.
defunding the police.. or "abolishing" which some call... is absolutely disgusting.



I think for most White people
they are sick and tired of being blamed for problems of the Black community
many are sick and tired of demands of apologizing for things in history (as if whites are the only ones to commit such heinous crimes)
and to be honest... sick and tired of concepts like racism and privilege being branded to push an agenda... that ultimately does nothing but create more division... and enables certain bad faith actors in both communities to avoid accountability for their actions
^ and yes.. I mean the black community as well... its not acceptable to kill people.. its not acceptable to rob stores... its not acceptable to attack cops... its not acceptable to rape
its not acceptable for white people to do it.. nor is it acceptable for black people to do it
yet racism is always screamed out if it involves black people

Now we have protests? which I SUPPORT
but rioting and looting that has killing and injured many? (and destroyed businesses)
and police shootings are used to push agendas? (take for example the Atlanta shooting)


the issue is
most people have forgotten the message of MLK
most people are more than happy to jump on a bandwagon and spread hatred


hopefully this makes sense

youve covered a lot of things
and i have plenty more to say..

feel free to message me if you want? :)

[SpiderManFan2002]

Hey man :)

I just wanna say I don't really care about what side of the political spectrum you consider yourself to be on, liberal or conservative, left or right, it doesn't really matter to me- as long as you don't hold extreme views which I'm sure you don't, then your political stance doesn't matter to me. :)

I just want to let you know I've seen your response, I've read it, I hear you and I am a busy person so I'm not going to be able to respond to the length and depth I would like to right away. But I'm glad you're giving your perspective as a white person, this is what we need to do, we need to talk to each other to try and understand each other.

I will respond to you, just don't expect it to be instant- I like to take my time with things, especially when it comes to important issues as such, and as I said I am also busy in my real life- I can't neglect the tasks I have to do.

So I just wanted you to know, I see you, I hear you and I will respond sometime- I'm *not* ignoring you. :)

[BoountyHunter]

No Problem
and I agree!

[BoountyHunter]

I will say that when speaking about this
it would be better if we tackled one issue at a time?
its such a conflated issue
with so many different issues connected
that it could get very overwhelming

Sooo I think ultimately it would be best to keep it simple at first
or discuss a certain issue... then move one
and the conversation can flow naturally

When you type as much as you have
especially on an issue like this
lots of details will inevitably be lost in translation (on both sides)

[SpiderManFan2002]

@boountyhunter What I usually do, is I take snippets from what you say from your initial response, and I copy and paste them in quotes, so it's like a direct response to each line you say, so you don't get confused and know what I'm referring to when I say whatever I say. That sound cool?

[BoountyHunter]

sure ahaha

[American_Centurion]

It's weird that is statistically safer for a young 18 year old black male to serve in the us army in Afghanistan than to live in south Chicago.

[BoountyHunter]

@American_Centurion
Well considering Afghanistan has always been a tiny conflict, with very few American casualties...

yes you are correct
its likely Chicago will see more deaths in a month
than in 20 years of conflict in Afghanistan.

[American_Centurion]

Detroit and L. A, too. No wonder so many black folks are migrating to the rural safety of southern states.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter Just say Trump 2020 and move on. I can't believe you trust the government so much lmaoo. Sheep. The statistics are false. Blacks only make up 24% of the crime if you read a book. Literally we're not getting rid of the police you dumbass. Only defunding it so the money could go to more important things like school. Also you're pulling numbers from your ass. Where's your proof. Literally only 3 protests contained looting. Minneapolis bc the protestors were tear gassed and they wouldn't let them get supplies. The fires were started from undercover cops. And only 1 cop so far has been shot. And remove that smily face from the end.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
lets stop being emotional?
1. I hate Trump
I voted Jill Stein in the last election, and am a Bernie Supporter (and will likely vote for Biden)
2. Defunding/Abolishing the Police has MANY different standards.. because clearly no one can agree on what they mean by it.
Some have called for policing REFORMS
some have called for DEFUNDING police
some have called for ABOLISHING police

these are not the same thing
there is no unified movement on how to handle it
even the in the political arena.. various political figures have been giving completely different answers on how to handle the issue...
which you can get a general overview from
NBC News "Calls to reform, defund, dismantle and abolish the police, explained."
point is there is no unified position on this (including politically, where the actions will take place)

3. In terms of Black Crimes
Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of Crime in comparison to their population size
they make up roughly 13% of the population, but commit nearly 50% of murders each year (FBI: UCR reports and Bureau of Justice Statistics)
as I stated above according to the Manhattan Institute.. 90% of Interracial Crime was committed by Blacks (mostly Black on White)
and also according to NCVS and the NIBRS
Blacks tend to commit nearly 3x their population in size

YES more White people are convicted of Crimes (and Arrested)
and MORE White people are killed each year by police (out of the 1,000+ Police killings per year.. usually 600+ are White victims)
However, in comparison to their population
the Black community commits significantly more crime

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl The further continue
you are missing the point with Rioting and Looting

Martin Luther King Jr
had it right
when he stated that the message is lost
when people resort to Violence.. to Looting.. to Rioting

which is something this movement does not understand.

It is so widespread
that even within my community (I live in a small town in Illinois) there were Protests and Looting/Rioting
3 arrests related to attempted break ins (some of them from Danville Illinois, and another from Champaign Illinois) <--- Check WCIA our local news if you want that (or I can find it for you)

It is NOT limited to just a handful of cities

MANY communities within my own state have suffered from Rioting and Looting
Chicago, Riverside, Naperville, Danville, Champaign, Cicero, Berwyn, Aurora
etc etc
the List is nearly endless.. in just the State of Illinois..
where there has been Rioting. ... Looting
nation wide this is led to 1000s of arrests and dozens of deaths and many more injuries

^ More than happy to provide specific news reports if youd like
even small communities (which I live in one.. and won't name it) there has been a great deal of looting

So please spare me o. o...

Protesting is FINE and acceptable. . and I have joined in these protests (there was a peaceful one in a local town that I attended)
Rioting and Looting IS NOT acceptable.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter can y'all whites stop bringing MLK when you killed him.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter and where is your proof of these stats?

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
"Where is your proof of these states"

I just gave you the sources?

and "You whites killed MLK"
should be an example of how confused some people are on this issue

1. its an example of racism... YOU now suggest that I killed him? OR that one of my "Brothers" did (When White people marched alongside MLK?)
and 2. Bringing that up does not discount the fact that MLK would NOT agree with Rioting and Looting
and the main reason for my post was to explain that even though I AGREE with the basic tenants of Equality as posited by the BLM
that the necessity of support Rioting and Looting as being an aspect of "Protest" .. is ridiculous

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter Ok Have a good day.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl See what I mean?

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter No I don't bc all you're doing is saying things with no facts. Black people only make up 24% of the crime so that's how I know the rest of what you're saying is trash.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter And don't lie, you know u love trumppp

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
According to the FBI statistics themselves
Blacks make up nearly 50% of murders every year
and depending on the crime
Blacks can make up 30% to 50% of any form of violent crime

regardless if you are going to claim police are killing blacks at much higher rates
on the basis of population (13%)
why not look at the amount of crime they commit in comparison?

EVEN if we take your number of Blacks committing 25% of crime
.. Blacks also make up roughly 25% of police victims?

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter that stat is from 1995-2008

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter www.channel4.com/.../factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Secondly the reason why they make up maybe more is because cops target them

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
I get tired of giving you the same sources over and over again
take for example
the FBI UCR report from 2017 (Table 43)
Blacks committed 53% of Manslaughter/Murder/Homicide
54% of Robbery and nearly 30%+ of every other crime on the list
which includes Aggravated Assault.. Motor Vehicle Theft.. Property Crime.. Violent Crime... Forgery... Fraud.. Embezzlement.. Prostitution... Gambling... Loitering

^ IF we talk about under 18 arrests.. its even worse

the list is kinda endless?

and you actually want to make a defense for 25%?
which is nearly twice their size in population?

AND ironically the exact same amount they make up in police shootings?
and YET at the same time.. claim that as racism?

IF anything
you are proving my point for me

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl and honestly its kinda funny you SENT that link
which once again proves my point o. o

did you read it? o. O

quite literally states

"The verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination."

? o. O

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl regardless of how you look at this
Blacks commit far more crimes (especially considering their small size of the population)
especially in terms of VIOLENT crimes (Murder for example)

They make up roughly 25% of all Police Shootings (nearly every year.. its somewhere between 25% to 30%)

and in almost every regard.. commit at least 30%+ of every type of crime and even more so in violent crime
and make up generally near the 25% to 30% of all Arrests each year

and somehow we are going to call 25% of police shootings... ... racism?

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter I don't understand where you're going with this. You're saying Black people commit more crime. So what? That doesn't change the fact that the system is racist. Police are known to target Black neighborhoods more. Also most black people get convicted to crimes they didn't do or heck if George Floyd didn't die, he probably would have gotten convicted one way or another. Look up Chrystul Kizer for example. (Now I'm wondering if you will defend the police of Chrystul.)

[Froyologirl]

meant to say get convicted more

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
You act as if White people are not convicted of Crimes they did not commit

What I am stating is

Blacks commit more crimes
GANG VIOLENCE... is a serious issue in Black neighborhoods (and the Irony is... its far safer now than it was in the past... back in the early 1990s... they were literally warzones)

Because of the fact Black people commit more crimes
they are far more likely to run into police officers...

its common sense

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter So you're justifying the police brutality and Floyd dying. Good to know.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
hahaha
No

What I am stating is that the idea of "Systematic Racism" in terms of Law Enforcement is a myth

Police Brutality
regardless of Race/Sex is not acceptable

However, the Narrative that the Police Departments are "Racist" and always target Black Men... is not an accurate portrayal (as I have shown through my statistics here)
IF we want to tackle Police Brutality.. Lets tackle it

However this obsession of creating a RACE Narrative... is nonsense
especially a Race Narrative that apparently requires me to accept Rioting and Looting.. and the murder of innocents.. and destruction of black communities

Lets start being real on this topic
instead of playing Victimhood.. and blame games.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter Ugh omg. NO ONE SAID THAT POLICE JUST TARGETS BLACK PEOPLE JL;SDFKADJ. YOUUUU JUST MADE THAT TERRIBLE ASSUMPTION. AND SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE LOOOOOTTTINNNGG. Literally out of every state protesting more than once and 20 other countries protesting. Only 3 involved looting. The rest just involved tear gas and rubber bullets to peaceful protestors who are literally just walking or raising signs. Then you trumptards bring your stupid ass signs saying "all lives matter" or "trump 2020" trying to invalidate the argument. Like maybe if you dumbasses said all lives matter all the time then most wouldn't care. But y'all only say it when we say "BLACK LIVES MATTTTEERR" and its only y'all who get the assumption that you're feeling excluded. I see no Asians or Hispanics throwing a hissy fit. Damn.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl

as I stated
if you wanted links to news reports
I can name you a dozen cities within my own state (without doing much research at all) where rioting and looting took place

so its far more than just 3

THANKS for assuming im a Trump Supporter... again...
im a Bernie Supporter... but okay...

and if you don't think only Black people are targeted by Police
how can you claim its Systematic Racism?

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter I- wtf don't you understand. Black people get targeted by the police more. Like you do realize far more people than you realize are still racist. Maybe not the majority as a whole, but more than you think.
here's an article: it's hard to find a non bias article ofc here
www.theguardian.com/.../california-police-black-stops-force

and another one in case u didn't like the first:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

I don't know why you support bernie when he's not even in the election.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
Because I support Bernie's political positions
I didn't like Clinton
I don't care for Biden
and I sure as hell don't support Trump

See! Now we can agree
Racism Exist, but its not extremely common

So that is precisely my point
You want to target Police Departments.. and Police Officers.. in mass
for the actions of a very small few

Wouldn't it make sense to target those individuals
bring them to justice
as opposed to defunding/abolishing Police Departments?

wouldn't it make more sense to allocate funds to longer training?
wouldn't it make more sense to create independent review boards?
wouldn't it make more sense support increases in wages for Police Officers?
wouldn't it make more sense to simplify the job requirements for a Police Officer, as opposed to making them act on nearly every issue in a community?

We can do all of this without any need for Defund or Abolish

INSTEAD
people take a few examples of Police Brutality
claim its extremely wide spread and targeted and "systematic racism" (Which clearly I've proven its not)
and now they are... burning down buildings... killing innocent people... destroying statues of abolitionists...
why?

the BLM has lost its path
this is less about equality
and more about hate
its less about accountability
and more about throwing the blame for ones community somewhere else...

its pathetic.

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter -_- well we agreed on one thing. All the BLM movement is doing is getting justice for things that should have happened long ago. Floyd wasn't the only black man to die from a police. Breonna Taylor, Elijah, and now 18 year old Althea Bernstein (she wasn't killed by cops, but by 4 white supremacists.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
And White people have been brutalized and killed by the Police
and 90% of all interracial crime between Blacks and Whites is committed by Whites (Manhattan Institute Study)

I believe the BLM once stood for equality for blacks
but it has now lost its narrative
.. its less about equality
and more about spreading hatred

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter Whelp fine if that's the way you feel. I can't keep arguing obviously. You're not a Trump supporter so good enough for me. So goodbye unless we meet at another myTake and have an argument.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
hahha fair enough

feel free to message me if you have questions about anything :)

[Froyologirl]

@boountyhunter :) ok. I'll friend you

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl Sweet :)

[Still-alive]

Wow incredible. i should disclose something to you spidermanfan I fell down the alt right pipeline through youtube back in 2017 and really thought things like a majority of muslims believe in sharia law or that a majority were radical. thanks to people like ben shapiro, steven crowder, stefan molyneux, i started to really believe in things they put forward like black people were just genetically born to be less intelligent or that planned parenthood was founded to abort black babies. (yes these are all things these dickheads believed and trying to pass it off to people.. and sadly its still working)

All this stuff led me to a collision course with my own personal demons and for a bout 2 years i went through a midlife crisis. Everything was up in the air for me, i didn't know who to believe anymore or what to do. there were some dark.. and dangerous moments during that time. One thing that kept cropping up was that i started to wonder if i was ever really an empathetic person after all. this was always something i felt was--me--for my whole life but suddenly even this had me doubting myself. I started to think i was a giant sociopath who was ok seeing the world as it is, with famine, death, disease, bigotry, racism, homophobes.. and on and on. I was implicitly ok with all of this. So because of this i started thinking dark thoughts and **Trigger warning for anyone** i did attempt or almost attempted to commit suicide quite a few times. I peered over the cliffs near my place and just wondered if i really had a place in this world anymore. I felt terrible about this. And i was really close. i mean sitting on a cliff with my legs dangling over the edge close with hard rocks on the bottom with ocean waves crashing into it.

But i came back! just within these past few months to a year i had an awakening! I started to read up on more leftist literature, i watched breadtube with debate bros like Destiny and Vaush. I crawled my wayy out of the alt right pipeline and subsequently found a purpose in my life. Not only do i realize i have empathy, but i want the world in general to have it more. So i now read your well researched mytake with a new lens. I see the problems with the world now, and i do want to fix it. "We are all apart of this society, and we should all speak up against injustice and oppression regardless of our skin colour. " yes we are! we are all part of this world. we need to work together to change it for the better. We need to for our future, because once climate change gets really bad we will have to work together to survive it. So now i am trying to help, im trying to get better with my research and investigate every dubious claim the right makes especially that crazy pragerU. I live in los angeles with a bad homeless crisis and i've been giving some water and food more often. I want to help now. My purpose in life is to bring more empathy into this world. It seems like a difficult task even though it really shouldn't be.

Anyways sorry to post in an old mytake but i just felt obligated to respond here. don't mean to make it dark either but i just had to say something. Great mytake. too bad there's no part 2 lol.

[Celtero]

Umm... No.

Not going to read your "thing" thoroughly because as usual, it's super boring, long, and lacks concise and clear content.

Seriously... why would any of us want to read WHY you wrote this mistake? Boring as fuck 5 paragraphs right there. You're wasting my time. Not to mention the two long introduction paragraphs about your experience on this website, because again, nobody cares. I've read full mytakes before, so it's not like just my attention span is tiny.

I know in your highschool classes they give you length requirements but once you get in the real world your job is to make your content ENJOYABLE to read.

And it's really about your narcissism. You like reading your own crap, so you assume everyone else does.

Lastly, I don't even know who your target audience is. Everyone against BLM thinks they're bullshit, and what you're saying is bullshit, and you're not going to convince anyone to be an "ally" when it's obvious you're ignorant to what their perspective is in the first place.

So I'll give you a hint.

The black crime rate is very disproportionate to their population size. Black males make up what... 6 or 7% of the entire US population? Yet in prisons 40% of inmates are black, that's the same amount as white people in prison when they make up 60% of the total population.

So when people complain about blacks being disproportionately affected by police brutality... it's like, DUH! You commit a crime you're more likely to be hurt by police.

George Floyd was a criminal, he was committing a crime the day he died, and while that did not justify his death it's a key part of the discussion.

Leftists like you would rather ignore that part and blame it on the invisible racism.

And at that point you're place is in the bin labelled "against white people."
Because you'd rather blame everything on white racism that probably doesn't exist than even bring the black crime rate into the question.

[Knuxx]

Taking into consideration that this my take came from a 17 year old woman, it is far more insightful then the angry post that you have put bashing her for being willing to share her opinion in these times. Aside from taking us considerable amount of courage for even make the post she also touched on important points which nowadays there are a lot of people who are hateful and would bash her so I consider you check your priorities ingred the post thoroughly because @SpiderManFan2002 didn't say anything native

[Celtero]

@Knuxx What do you mean insightful? She's just spouting the same ol' status quo bullshit all the other sheep are following. Of course it's naive.

No, it doesn't take courage to share an opinion. That's retarded. It's easy, free, and anonymous.

Not going to treat a 17 year old with kid gloves either when they want to talk about adult subjects.

People bash her because she's a little twerp that gets on a soapbox to lecture us condescendingly.

[Knuxx]

@Celtero
So you don't want her to have the confidence to speak like you seem to have.
You don't want her to lecture people for being hypocrites.
Would you rather she attack other people that your posts fully and provide some if any feedback (negative or positive). Saying they should stop wasting their time on you.
Your such a big help man around of applause for for you.
Please leave me alone since your to lazy to even read the full post and develop a or a few valid opinions.
Have a nice day.

[Froyologirl]

@celtero here we go. We give you trumpets evidence and you don't even read it LMAOOOOO. Like you wonder why people don't even bother or like y'all anymore. Like we give an argument. And you guys are so blinded you don't even read or reply with tRuMp 2020

[Celtero]

@Froyologirl I've been on that site before hun, "mapping police violence." It's not convincing. The only graph that inspires a tiny bit of doubt in me is the one called "It's not about crime" and even then it's super vague.

I urge you to go to the site. There is an interactive map, you can click on the bullet points, aka police killings. Clicking on the points gives you all the details and you'll see how many of the people killed by police were dangerous armed criminals who already killed someone. Or all the cops that went to jail for unjustified killings.

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Knuxx @celtero
I have to agree with Celtero here.
She's missing key facts with her statistics.
She's going by population here and not by number of crimes committed.
Then she criticizes our immigration policy.
It's the typical, "Let's all get in agreement that leftist policies are correct" argument.

And people are complaining, well she's only 17!
Well, sorry, but if you're a "Yoda" and an "Editor", you're fair game.
This is like Greta Thunberg who can speak at the UN. When anyone attacks her flaky ideas, all those who agree with her cry out, "Shame on you for picking on a young girl like that!"

[SpiderManFan2002]

@I-am-a-nobody "She's going by population here and not by number of crimes committed."
Just because X number of black people commit crimes, it doesn't give police the right to kill them or make the victims of police brutality disproportionately. Even if black people commit crimes disproportionately that isn't the point- the police should look at an individual as an individual, if that individual is threat then stop them somehow but don't just shoot at them because you think they might be a threat. An individual can only be responsible for what they do, not their whole community and by using the mentality: "black people disproportionately commit crimes therefore I should see a black person as more of a threat than a white or brown person" you are not seeing them as a threat for their actions but because of their skin colour and that in my eyes is racist and wrong.

"Then she criticizes our immigration policy."
I didn't criticise your immigration policy, that's a debate for another day. My point is, the travel ban policy has stopped people coming to America mainly because they are from countries which are deemed a threat due to terrorism, right? But not every person in those countries will be a terrorist. A number of them may need to leave those countries for safety, right? But your policy even bans people who aren't terrorists and just want a better safer because your government believes those people could be a threat based on where they're from. Where was the "All Lives Matter" movement then, stating that the people who are from those countries, who aren't terrorists, and just want a better life, lives matter? They weren't. ALM was nowhere to be seen, that's the point. And I thought "All Lives Matter" according to them, right?

[SpiderManFan2002]

@I-am-a-nobody The point is I never see "All Lives Matter" every time oppression or injustice takes place. I only ever see them, whenever "Black Lives Matter" is vocal. Which makes me think the message of "All Lives Matter" isn't all lives matter, it's just to counteract and bring attention away from the BLM movement.

That's my point, I was just using your policy as one example to convey that point.

And I see you're upset at you believing I'm criticising your policy. Well here's a piece of advice for you, don't get upset over that. Because every policy whether it's a right or left government who implement it, will receive criticism- and the truth is, every policy has room to criticised because no piece of legislation is ever perfectly written, because it's only humans who write it, and we're not perfect, we can only try to amend it so it works for everyone.

I don't really have much else to say except for have a nice day and thanks for your response :)

[Froyologirl]

@celtero Whities make up over 70% of the population

[I-am-a-nobody]

@SpiderManFan2002
You're just pushing propaganda and after a while I don't get all that upset, because I'm used to it.
The US is just supposed to open it's borders to everyone and feed the world and pay for 22% of the UN and 22% of WHO, and the biggest chunk of NATO, etc. etc.

I don't remember EVER seeing a protest when an unarmed white guy is shot. Is it because unarmed white men are never shot? No.
The assumption of BLM is that black criminals are disproportionately killed by police which is not true. The other assumption is that police as a whole are out to kill black men. Again this is false.
There are bad cops and they should be prosecuted fully.
All we need is due process in all these cases.

As someone else said conservatives like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are calling it police brutality.
I've mentioned here that the man's police record is irrelevant that there's no reason to kneel on a man's neck for 8 minutes.
I've also said that there should be due process. We can't just execute the policeman without looking at the facts.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody your name fits your perfectly. What propaganda. You trumpets always say everything is propaganda. and Spidey is right. No one says All Lives Matter until we say Black Lives Matter.

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Froyologirl
Don't all lives matter to you?
I already said I think the police in Minneapolis acted improperly.
I don't like when ANYONE dies that way.
I look forward to due process.
What more do you want?

I think it's wrong to claim blacks are killed disproportionately without mentioning that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes.
I also think it's wrong to say that more whites die at the hands of cops without mentioning that there's just more white people out there.
I hate propaganda from either side.

Sure, I'm not out there protesting, but I don't protest when a white guy dies either.
I trust that there will be due process.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody ya know what no, all lives don't matter since you racist trump all lives matter whities keep infuriating everyone. AND WHAT DUEE PROCESS EXACTLY. Black man kills someone boom jail. White man kills someone, "ok here's some burger king" and "we might give you parol for good behavior :DDDD" Black officer kills someone boom fired. White officer "Well he felt threatened >:((((" "The guy was rEsIsTiNg". mmmmm so pls stfu and log off

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Froyologirl
Here's a lot of truth on George Floyd and cop who killed him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiiBWki-C6A

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody who tf said he was a hero you nobody. People are just honoring his death

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody and u didn't reply to my other comment

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Froyologirl
She quoted stats on deaths of policemen and white vs. black suspects being killed by police.
I know it's all irrelevant to you because you'd rather be angry about a perceived unfairness in the justice system.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody Listen you're 58. Age means nothing. What it does mean is that you've had 58 years of brainwashing by the government. Open your eyes you sheep. The government is dividing and controlling us with systematic racism for years.

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Froyologirl
58 years, means living through times when racism was WAY worse in America. And before me it was worse still. My sociology professor lived during the "whites only" pools etc. in the 50s. In my day, my neighborhood basically would persecute blacks until they left. As someone who knew bullying, and had a sense of justice, I never liked racism. But I grew up with "affirmative action" and quotas, so I've seen the other side of discrimination, too. I've also worked with prejudiced blacks as well as prejudiced whites.
I was living when Rodney King was beaten. I also remember him not being charged with a crime even though justice demanded it.
I remember the ensuing riots and how they made a druggie (King) into a kind of hero. His quote of "Can't we all just get along?" didn't exactly ring true considering he was a long time criminal. I remember Reginald Denny (a totally innocent white guy) being pulled out of his truck and beaten for no good reason. I remember the perpetrators getting a slap on the wrist more or less.
I remember seeing O J Simpson driving his Ford Bronco down the highway (live on TV) surrounded by policemen who were afraid to stop him in light of the riots that took place in LA a couple years before.

All this happened before you were born. I wasn't brainwashed, I saw the videos myself.
I'm not saying there isn't racism, just that the perception is much worse than the reality.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody lmao so MLK is a druggie. Why is everyone who is a leader and stands up for black rights considered a druggie or a "thug". Dang who cares about his past. He was standing up for the rights that Black people deserve. Well you are a Trumpet. You probably justified Floyd's death because of his past.

[Celtero]

@Froyologirl Lol, dunno why he's talking to you. You're dull as hell, a big ol' waste of time. Everyone thinks Floyd's killing is unjustified and the cop should go to jail, where he'll likely have a very unpleasant time being a cop in jail.

The difference is reasonable people don't think this was racially motivated, because there's absolutely no reason to think it was... unless I'm missing some footage where he said something racist.

And behind the civil rights stuff MLK did have some unsavory flaws... Doesn't change the fact that he was a great civil rights leader though.

Anyway, you two wrap it up, I'm getting tired of being notified. If you wanna continue pm each other.

[I-am-a-nobody]

@Froyologirl
RODNEY King was a druggie.
I referenced "Rodney King" in one sentence and the very next sentence I just said "King", trying to save some redundant keystrokes and you misinterpret it.
I meant Rodney not MLK!
DO YOU EVEN READ!!!

See, this just proves how biased you are.
You think I'm attacking MLK because that's just what white men do, right?
I was referring to Rodney King.

Sorry @celtero.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody To sum this up. Floyd was not a criminal the day of his death dumbass. I don't know why You Trump supporters always bring that shitty argument up. Just say "I'm racist" and "Trump 2020" and move on.

[Froyologirl]

ugh sorry so many people have replied to this. ok that was for Celtero.

[Froyologirl]

@I-am-a-nobody Ya know what yes, that's what all white men do since you keep making that assumption. Anyways for you and celtero say Trump 2020 and move on.

[ZackBan]

Impressive myTake Spidy.

I'm not gotta agree or disagree with you on all of it, it's an opinion after all and no two people have the same exact opinion.
However with everything that's been happening in the US and all over the world on this matter I began to notice exactly how controllable humans are.
This subject is so stupid it should be a no brainier especially in 2020. Like the fact that some people are still seeing race as a factor in treating humans even after pretty much the entire planet is now educated (compared to hundreds of years ago during slavery) feels somewhat pathetic to me.

I believe this entire noise is carefully crafted in order to further someone's agenda.

Maybe it's done so people forget about covid before we realize it's not the monster it was advertised to be.

Maybe it's about taking down Trump.

Maybe it's something else entirely.

But I just know that this sudden uprising regardless of it's righteousness did not come out of thin air.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Thanks for the response, I've read it but I'll respond to it later, simply because well you know how busy I get :P

[Froyologirl]

@ZackBan Ugh another dumbass. "Hundreds of years ago during slavery" You're acting as if after slavery was abolished everyone wasn't racist. No ma'am not the case. Did you forget about the Jim Crow Laws that quickly. "further someone's agenda" Again ma'am wtf. You're acting as if this is the first time Black People have spoken out against police brutality. It's been happening for a long time and became more prevalent in 2016. (I wonder why, oh yea Trump) There were protests that were forgotten in like a week. Now in 2020 6 black people have been killed in a span of 3 days from police. Floyd was the final straw. We're sick and tired of this. It's no one's agenda and literally no one has forgotten about covid because they were wearing masks idiot. This entire thing happened because of trump. Why else would Trump supporters come to the protests yelling "Trump 2020" and "White Lives Matter".

[Froyologirl]

@ZackBan No wonder people want to cancel men

[ZackBan]

It certainly would be interesting to watch you try cancelling men... Like I can't even imagine how that would work.

As far as all that stuff you said with such an angry tone they're all true but none of that is anything like slavery.
You people can't even tell the difference between this and that.
Racism is bad, it's unfair, unjust, and infuriating.

But slavery is that act of grabbing someone agaisnt his will, putting chains around his wrists and ankles and putting him to work in humiliating servitude for you without ever paying him a dime. Basically only feeding him and no better than you'd feed a dog.
THAT is slavery. And like it or not it hasn't existed for over 200 years.

When I said the subject is stupid I didn't mean it was wrong or misguided. I simply was referring to the fact that even now in 2020 almost a quarter of the 21st century has passed and we're still debating rights and opportunities based on skin color.

And to be fair I sometimes wanna cancel women too so no hard feelings. But an image of a world without women seems just way too dry.

[Froyologirl]

@ZackBan women suck so it wouldn't be dry at all. I mean look at me. Yes I'm roasting myself. Also fine ig you're kinda right.

[ZackBan]

Are you kidding? Without you who would call me "another dumbass" and take the time to have a heated debate about things with me?
I still think it would be too dry without the both of us here.

[Froyologirl]

@ZackBan lmao ok you actually made me laugh. Ok so I say we call it truths. I agree with some of your points.

[ZackBan]

Deal. I also agree with some of what you said so I guess we can meet in the middle on this

[SpiderManFan2002]

"Impressive myTake Spidy."
Thank you :)

"I'm not gotta agree or disagree with you on all of it, it's an opinion after all and no two people have the same exact opinion."

Okay, that's fair enough thanks for taking the time to read it anyways. :)

"This subject is so stupid it should be a no brainier especially in 2020. Like the fact that some people are still seeing race as a factor in treating humans even after pretty much the entire planet is now educated (compared to hundreds of years ago during slavery) feels somewhat pathetic to me."
Agreed.

"I believe this entire noise is carefully crafted in order to further someone's agenda."
It very well could be, I guess nobody truly knows.

But what I think the huge noise was about for this, was just because the video itself was disgusting. I wouldn't even think about treating an animal that way, let alone another human being- that's just a horrible way to die. And I mean seeing it, and how he's pleading for his life- it's just awful.

And I think it just made so many people angry and disgusted, hence, the huge noise.

I can only hope for actual change to come of this, not just a bit of noise then everyone forgets. As always.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[ZackBan]

Well in case you come around to read this just know that it's alright I never really "expect" a reply you don't owe me anything.
Also I did notice you've been gone a while but I'm glad to know you're ok and just busy.

[American_Centurion]

More white people are killed each year by police in numbers disproportionate to the number of crimes committed by white people. Black people's biggest problem in America isn't cops or racism its black men. What were the odds without even checking that George Floyd had committed a crime before being dying in police custody or had committed violent crime or had previously served time? There was a 1 in 3 chance. Many more white people find themselves the victim of a racist hate crime than black people, but because it's by a black person it's just called crime.
I dont feel white guilt at all, I wouldn't expect you to fell Pakistani guilt or Muslim guilt for the millions of Hindus and seieks your ancestors killed when they invaded india, or for the ethnic cleansing and religious persecution going on in Pakistan against Christians and Hindus, or for the racist targeting of underage white girls for gang rape and sex slavery by the men of the Pakistani community in Britain. #AllLivesMatter #ChristianLivesMatter #HinduLivesMatter #RotherhamRapeGangs

[WowwGirl]

@American_Centurion this is a 17 year old girl from overseas in high school.. so please ! pump the breaks

[WowwGirl]

Uncalled for!

[WowwGirl]

Period... block him please

[michael1469]

Totally valid point.

[WowwGirl]

I didn't dear🌺

No worries

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl just really tired of these hypocritical Anti-white anti-American posts. As Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Black people are getting shot every day and black neighborhoods and it's not white peopledoing it, we can see the smoke from our neighbourhood

[WowwGirl]

I'm not rolling in the mud with pigs Anymore but thanks

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl what you do in your free time is your business.

[WowwGirl]

Sure👍

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl indeed👍

[WowwGirl]

About time 👍lol

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl I concur👍

[WowwGirl]

Making me laugh you jerk😂

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl indubididly👍

[WowwGirl]

Dang it😂

[Snakeyes7]

I like your optimism about your opinion on white guilt but your view is radically different than the ones who are out rioting. There are videos online of them filming themselves running up to white people pointing a gun at their heads and making them get on one knee and beg for forgiveness for their whiteness. Whether you like it or not, these people exist and our government is actively letting them run around. I think this is what people think of when they hear “white guilt”. The fact is that a negligible amount of people think that Floyd deserved to die, even people who these cultists claim that are “far right” like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh believe that the act of killing Floyd was disgusting and that no one deserves to die in police custody which I think is a beautiful thing. As a result, your version of white guilt isn’t something I worry too much about.

My biggest issue is your argument with all lives matter, especially the comics because both are strawman arguments. The first comic would make more sense if the guy spraying the house with the little fire saying “this house needs it more than yours” or the real life equivalent would be “white lives matter”. All lives matter exists because believe it or not black people aren’t the only victims of police brutality and BLM acts like it literally means “black lives DON’T matter” as if they have forgotten what “all” means.

The second one is a strawman because the people who like the idea of all lives matter are typically conservatives who are huge fans of the bill of rights which include freedom of religion. Now, you mention Trump (because he has to come into the equation somewhere right?) putting in a travel ban as proof that conservatives are racist but that ban was in because you can’t have people traveling during a pandemic because of the massive risk of spreading the virus. There was nothing racist about it.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I've read your opinion, thank you for taking your time to read what I wrote. :)

I'm quite busy so I won't respond to what you say just yet, but give me time, and I will. :)

[Snakeyes7]

No worries. Take your time :)

[007kingifrit]

funny; its been 3 days and you still haven't responded

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit Okay, I didn't think you'd be so desperate to hear a response from (quote you) "a high schooler rambling on" but since you are, no worries I'll tell you why I am taking so long to respond to people so you can calm down :)

I have a lot of lengthy responses to this MyTake, clearly. And I want to respond to them, but if I want to do that properly, it can't happen quickly or even in three days. I have saved every response I have said I will respond to, to a OneNote document, where I will put in quotations which sentence or piece of the response I am responding to- and write my response there.

Have I started yet? Unfortunately not. You clearly can't seem to forget I am a high schooler, and at this stage in my education I have a lot of work to attend to, so I haven't had time to begin writing my responses to any reply I have gotten, but the work I am planning today for my "high school" studying, should not take me that long because I am pretty strong on the topics I plan to revise today, then I have some other stuff today, but once I have finished those, instead of watching something before I go to bed, I will begin to respond to these since I understand people (for example yourself) clearly want to see what I have to say.

Long story short, I'll begin writing up my responses tonight, I can't say when I'll have them done but I'll try to get them done ASAP for you guys :)

[Gisellewins]

@SpiderManFan2002 I don’t understand why you feel the need to respond to anyone? It’s the internet. There’s cowards typing shit here that they would never say to your face lol. Chill

[007kingifrit]

dude highschoolers have more free time than any other age group besides children... so that's no excuse

still waiting for the responses

[Snakeyes7]

@007kingifrit it’s ok if she doesn’t want to argue she is under no obligation to. I am grateful that she has even responded at all.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit Maybe in America but in Britain it's quite different. I spend my time studying content-heavy subjects which I want to get good grades in and looking for potential universities to apply to, writing up my application, and working on other projects- so lots of those things take up my time. So no, it's not an excuse it's a reason.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Snakeyes7 Firstly thank you for your patience. I said was going to respond, so I'm responding now- but sorry I kept you waiting a while. :)

"the ones who are out rioting. There are videos online of them filming themselves running up to white people pointing a gun at their heads and making them get on one knee and beg for forgiveness for their whiteness. "

That I and many other BLM supporters disagree with. There is also good peaceful protesters who aren't doing anything of the sort. I've seen videos of peaceful BLM protesters stopping people from vandalising things, I have seen one photo of a BLM man who carried an injured far-right protester to safety when violence happened (because of the far-right side). So clearly, their is violence and peace on both sides.

There are many white protesters who attend BLM protests, and protest with black people and other people of colour, they're not made to go on their knees- instead they stand with BLM.

" think this is what people think of when they hear “white guilt” "
Well fair enough, you're free to your opinion- but many BLM protesters agree with my version of white guilt- or just guilt even.

"The fact is that a negligible amount of people think that Floyd deserved to die, even people who these cultists claim that are “far right” like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh believe that the act of killing Floyd was disgusting and that no one deserves to die in police custody which I think is a beautiful thing."
I don't know of the people you mentioned so, I can't comment on them.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Snakeyes7 " All lives matter exists because believe it or not black people aren’t the only victims of police brutality"

I know that, but you can't deny black people are disproportionately killed by police, and they are 3x more likely to be stopped by police than white people. And that's why BLM exists because a black person is far more likely to be a victim of police brutality than a white person. A black and white person could have the same confrontation with the police, and both could die from it- but the black person is more likely to die. That's the issue here.

"BLM acts like it literally means “black lives DON’T matter” as if they have forgotten what “all” means."
But the reason why people say black lives matter, is because all lives matter. If every single race in America was disproportionately killed or affected by brutality by police- you could say, "all lives matter", but black lives are affected far more than any other lives by police brutality, therefore, people need to be reminded that "black lives matter".

"The second one is a strawman because the people who like the idea of all lives matter are typically conservatives who are huge fans of the bill of rights which include freedom of religion."
I don't think it is, because I have seen a number people hashtag 'All Lives Matter' and on one hand they say that, yet on another- they have prejudices against minority communities- like Muslims, Jewish people, LGBT people etc. And all those people are lives too, so it's contradictory to state: "All Lives Matter" yet have prejudice against a community different to you. That cartoon is pointing out that hypocrisy.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Snakeyes7 "mention Trump (because he has to come into the equation somewhere right?) putting in a travel ban as proof that conservatives are racist"
Actually no, conservatives aren't racist. I have seen a number of conservatives who are racist, but not every conservative or right-winger is a racist. Just like I have seen some Liberals who do have a prejudice against religious people, Muslims, Christians, Jewish people because they believe "religion is backwards" but not all Liberals are hold religious prejudice against people. That's good and bad in all communities and that include political ones whether it be conservatives or liberals.

"but that ban was in because you can’t have people traveling during a pandemic because of the massive risk of spreading the virus. There was nothing racist about it."
I wasn't talking about the travel ban due to the coronavirus. I was talking about The Executive Order 13769. And I never mentioned racism with that law, you did. My point is he banned people from those countries coming to the USA because of a terrorism threat, right?

But here's the thing, terrorism can come from any country. And not every person in the countries, banned will have been a terrorist. A number of those people will be people looking to flee oppression and war, and they would have come to the United States to flee oppression and war. Don't their lives matter?

My point is, that many of these people preaching "all lives matter" didn't think of those people's lives, and that's just one example. So how can you say "all lives matter", when you're not speaking for "all lives?"

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[007kingifrit]

no your education system is no different. you spent large portions of your posts rambling about nothing relevant, you dont know how to BLUF (bottom line up front) and get to the point

you are unwordly and optimistic but you don't know how things work or the real world consequences of your ideas

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit Lol if you think the British education system is "no different" to the American one then I seriously suggest you educate yourself about education, the whole world isn't like America you know.

[ItalianGuy322]

I just think we all need to take into consideration how this division all started recently. Police have been treating black people unfairly for as long as I can remember. So why of all times are we seeing police brutality so much lately? Why are people protesting, rioting, tearing down statues and attacking police? Because the mainstream media picks and chooses what news stories to cover. Because George Soros paid people to go out and cause chaos. People watching at home joined in because they are broke and angry about the virus and very bored. What we need to do is not buy into the division. I am not going to support BLM and I am also not going to side with the pro-police side either. I do believe we cannot defund the police or things will be way worse than now. Cops definitely do save lives however you wanna look at this. I am not saying look at it like it is not your problem I am saying do not pick a side in this because it is just a way for the people who rule the world to force some sort of civil war between BLM people and the people who oppose them that I will not be a part of.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I've read what you said, I'll respond to it later on- I know I've said that to everyone here but I'm a busy person so I can't respond quickly, and by the looks of things, not even in 3 days kinda quickly as some have been complaining lol :)

[ItalianGuy322]

Ok no problem

[Froyologirl]

@ItalianGuy322 it started bc of trump

[SpiderManFan2002]

@ItalianGuy322 Firstly, why all of a sudden? I think this is what they call the straw that breaks the camel's back. Yes, police have been mistreating black people for a long time, so people go out and protest it gets a little media coverage, maybe an officer will get convicted- and we'll all forget about it, until next time, and next time, until it gets to the point where it becomes the same story with a different name.

And what happened to George Floyd was just outright disgusting. And the thing is, police brutality is the kind of stuff you usually hear about- but seeing it, play out like that is just disgusting and it outraged people I guess, and like you said everyone's already pissed off because of corona so some will also be taking their anger out because of that as well.

I do support BLM, I don't support the violence or anything because that just isn't way to bring about any kind of change. There needs to be changes in laws, how the police are trained etc, but lots of people are missing the point by the whole statue controversy and rioting. I understand people's anger, but tearing down statues- I don't think they should be up there, but there's a much better way to go about things than tearing them down.

That said, there's a lot of peaceful BLM protesters who I believe, don't get enough credit- I saw one far-right protest, which was violent because of the far-right while BLM were protesting peacefully- this was in London, and one of the far-right protesters got hurt due to the violence on his own side, and it was a BLM protester who carried him to safety even though that far-right guy probably hated the BLM protester. But I don't see anyone on here, talking about that.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I suppose believing in "defund the police" depends on your interpretation of it. When I first heard it, I thought it meant "fund the police less" after all, some of them get billions of dollars of funding, and other services don't which is unfair especially when they commit this kind of brutality upon people. There certainly needs to be police reform too, in the way they are trained, to who they let in the police force- i. e. Make sure you let healthy physically fit people into the police force who don't have to resort to a gun to stop an unarmed person.

I support BLM, because I believe with the way black people are disproportionately killed and targeted by police- it needs to be said. But I don't support a "war" between BLM and whoever. I support coming up with solutions for real change, like reform in police, the justice system, how the law is enforced, etc. And I don't support the violence either, that's not going to get anyone anywhere.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[007kingifrit]

alright first free speech doesn't mean i can't cuss you out. i am indeed going to cuss you out because while you indeed have the right to say these things. everything you said is wrong and stupid.

inequality is not a bad thing, it is not necessarily something to be fixed and it is not proof of discrimmination. it is proof that different groups of people make different decisions and rise and fall based on those decisions. all freedom necessitates inequality.

let's take one example from your post. black people shot at 5x the rate of white men. true fact... but is this bad or wrong? no. let's look at the data. statistical data disproves any claim that black people are killed at higher rates, infact they are underrepresented in police use of lethal force https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

infact studies show police hesitate longer to shoot black people https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290437363_The_Reverse_Racism_Effect_Are_Cops_More_Hesitant_to_Shoot_Black_Than_White_Suspects
so while black people are killed more by police once we actually take into account the fact that they commit more violent crime and don't surrender we see they are actually UNDERREPRESENTED in police violence. infact cops hesitate longer before they shoot a black person.

so you have no valid complaints. and your whole post going "oh we don't want you to feel shame... buuuuuut we are going to blame you for all this stuff" is indeed wrong and stupid. i do not owe anyone equality. equality is anti individuality

[SpiderManFan2002]

I'll respond to you in time don't worry :)

[007kingifrit]

no you won't. you have had 3+ days to respond to the other people whose responses you didn't like and you never answered them either you coward

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit Lol dude, you point out the fact I'm a highschooler which is correct, well I am a high school who is taking pretty content heavy subjects, does extra circular activities, and needs to write a personal statement for university- so while I enjoy coming on here and responding to people, I can't do it straight away or even in 3 days because I simply don't the time. I'll probably start writing responses tomorrow at some point, due to the amount of work I have left for today.

It's not as if there was a three day deadline where I needed to respond to people in that period of time. I have a lot of responses and I plan to get through everyone but I can't spend my whole life on here doing that, I also have other priorities. But I will eventually, and when I do I suppose you'll be happy given you're this eager to hear my response. Makes me feel kind of flattered to be honest. :)

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit "alright first free speech doesn't mean i can't cuss you out. i am indeed going to cuss you out because while you indeed have the right to say these things. everything you said is wrong and stupid."
Okay, you have the right to your opinion but if you're going to debate like this with people, don't be surprised when people do the same thing to you back. I, however, will not stoop to your level, today.

"inequality is not a bad thing, it is not necessarily something to be fixed and it is not proof of discrimmination. it is proof that different groups of people make different decisions and rise and fall based on those decisions. all freedom necessitates inequality."

Inequality in this case, is a bad thing. An individual should be held responsible, for what an individual does- not what everyone who is the same race as them does. Disproportionate crime statistics is no reason for disproportionate brutality upon black people. If the police treated everyone the same, none the less, there would still be a problem but the fact they are treating one section of the community differently- says a lot. The fact is, if a white person and a black person have the same altercation with the police, there is a chance both could die due to police brutality, but the black person's chances of being killed are higher than the white person's chances of dying. That's a huge inequality issue, and it isn't right- at all.

If anything that goes against freedom.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit ". black people shot at 5x the rate of white men. true fact... but is this bad or wrong? no."

Except it is wrong. Firstly, is this shot in general or shot by police? Secondly, it is wrong. Why is one section of a population being shot more than the other? That's bad and wrong in itself and whatever the problem is, we need to find it and eliminate it. This is inequality, and if you don't believe this is wrong- then I ultimately pity you, for your lack of humanity.

"Let's look at the data. statistical data disproves any claim that black people are killed at higher rates, infact they are underrepresented in police use of lethal"

Firstly, your claim about statistical data is false, given I have provided statistical data in my post, showing that black people are far more likely to be killed and are disproportionately killed by police officers.

And the study you provided has very little to do with the killings of police and more to do with the use of police force- that's the main objective of that study, not killings of police.

And I haven't had the chance to read all of your study yet, but I scrolled down to the conclusion to at least read that, but I feel I've kept you waiting long enough, so I'll read that in my own time.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit
"so while black people are killed more by police once we actually take into account the fact that they commit more violent crime and don't surrender we see they are actually UNDERREPRESENTED in police violence. infact cops hesitate longer before they shoot a black person."
I think the question we have to ask, is do black people actually commit more violent crime, or is it that when black people commit violent crime they are more often convicted than other races who commit violent crime?

Because take the police now for example. Their brutality is a violent crime, and given the amount of people they kill - note I'm talking about all people here, not just black - I don't believe they are investigated accurately enough- I mean when it comes to cases like police brutality police investigate police and that is unfair because bias is highly likely to take place. It's like have a burglar investigating a robbery case. And in many instances your law could indeed send a number of these cops who murder, to jail- but in 2015 over 100 black people were killed by police, yet most of those police still walk freely when the majority if not all of them should be convicted for using unreasonable force.

The question is, how many people who should be convicted of a crime- weren't? And will that change the crime data?

In my eyes, your system is extremely unfair.

"so you have no valid complaints. and your whole post going "oh we don't want you to feel shame... buuuuuut we are going to blame you for all this stuff" is indeed wrong and stupid."
Except I'm not blaming anyone- all I'm stating is this is police brutality isn't just a problem for the people affected- it's a problem for all of us.

And if people don't speak up because they believe it isn't their problem, then yes, they are to blame- you seem incredibly butthurt by this for some reason.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit "i do not owe anyone equality. equality is anti individuality."
🙄🙄You know, one thing people have noticed when it comes to people with your mentality is, you always make it about you. "I don't X" and "I do Y" well, I'm going to give you a bit of breaking news...

It's not all about you, so stop turning this into an issue about yourself.

This issue is far bigger than you or me, we are only tiny parts of the big picture. Everyone deserves an equal chance. Equality does not mean make us all into clone like people. It means look at all human beings the same, no one human deserves to be treated better than another based on factors that make them who they are i. e. race, gender, religion/non-religion, nationality, sexuality and the list could go on. Based on those factors and factors like those, we all deserve equal respect and similar to what MLK said we should be judged for the content of our character, not the colour of our skin. And that's equality. Judging someone based on their attitude, and personality not their skin colour, or their religion/non-religion, or their gender, or their sexuality. Just seeing a human being for a human being.

If you don't believe that, then I really don't know what to say about you.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[007kingifrit]

we are individuals, it is always about me and your impact on me

equality is impossible beause people pass their advantages onto their kids... their disadvantages also

thus all equality would require you to force people to be the same... if you aren't forcing people to be the same in outcome you CAN NEVER have equality of opportunity

black lives matter has no goal, they have no goal because they have no valid complaint. black people do more crime and thus get more police attention. this is fair and balance and there is no alternative

your posts are rambling and bloated, keep them beneath 3 sentences please to help you articulate the important parts of your opinions, this is a good exercise for life in general.

[sagevalentineee]

To me this doesn't have to be about race. I'm shocked at the police brutality. I live in the UK/Switzerland, and I don't know much about America but I've been shocked by the videos.
1. the video of kneeling on someones neck - quite casually may I add
2. the video where a man shoots a police with a stun gun, runs, and in return gets two bullets in the back.

They should have been taken in to custody, not murdered! That second man should have been sentenced for resisting arrest! Not shot twice in the back!
I live in a low crime country (Switzerland) where the police do carry guns but I have heard anything like this. Not the UK either. And for both of these events to be within a week or two of each other... it's just terrible. I don't know what the training or protocol for American police is - but clearly it needs to be changed.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Okay I have read your response but I will respond to it in given time, I know I have said this to a lot of people and I haven't responded yet, but I am taking my time to respond to you all, really. It's better to wait a little so I can say what I need to say properly, rather than me rushing a response and not saying what I mean clearly enough and creating confusion :)

[sheat1]

@sagevalentineee I've been following this thread for a few days and seen a lot of different views on multiple issues yet yours is the only one I've seen that is the right steps in the direction of completely fixing the basis for All the issues being discussed here. And it's se me to instead of commenting on countless statement that are sometimes closed minded and a lot of times contradictory, the solution is clear if it not clouded with overthinking. But I feel if I just tell you the solution without all other insights debated the truth would not be understood. But you are on the right path. I had made a comment a few days ago and gave just a generic view on one subject but you should bbe able to take the concept of my opinion and apply it to basically all the different issues being discussed and it would solve everything. And I mean everything completely.
Unfortunately there are agendas of evil people and not enough decent people unafrid to stand against them unwaiverly and indefinitely

[SpiderManFan2002]

@sagevalentineeee "To me this doesn't have to be about race"
See a lot of this does have to do with race. Because the reality is, if a white person and a black person are in an altercation with the police- data suggests, that both are likely to get killed by the police during the altercation, however, since black people are disproportionately killed by police- the black person is more likely to be killed than the white person. Why is it that one section of a community is at a higher risk than another?

That said, I do agree with the rest of your opinion, very well said. :)

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[sagevalentineee]

Ah, what I meant is regardless of race. Race doesn't even need to come into it for me. The fact he is black is irrelevant. This police brutality is shocking. To complicate the situation by bringing in the reasons why black people are more likely to be attacked is a completely separate issue to so with socioeconomic differences, that will be healed in a long period of time with increased opportunities.

Police brutality needs to be solved now. In my country (UK) this stuff just doesn't happen. A police man is a friendly figure I go to when I need help. When I'm lost, I saw something dodgy or don't feel safe... not a hunger games peacekeeper who I'm running for my life from like they seem to be in the US.

[cush_ebo]

OK. Great... mystical you are not wrong that does not mean you are either right you see? You have your point of view... but it tends that you will prefer yourself, that's where during in a protest, you came with your message. You are just pretty embarrassing in fact... black is a color, white is a color.. no competition but inequalities are real out there, as longs as the First standard is European white. But of course you don't see the side effect. You just into your own business careless addressing issues of others.

[WowwGirl]

She's 17 go somewhere else

[cush_ebo]

OK. She needs to know.

[WowwGirl]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[SpiderManFan2002]

@cush_ebo Hey, I've read your response but I'll respond to it later, simply because I'm a busy person but you will get a response eventually :)

[Froyologirl]

@cush_ebo Just say Trump 2020 and move on.

[cush_ebo]

I don't live in USA... I knew this mess will be up. Even Trump is following the new world order, that shall take place really on 2025 to 2035.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@cush_ebo OK. Great... mystical you are not wrong that does not mean you are either right you see?"
I suppose so. I guess it just depends on your morals and what you consider to be right or wrong. For a number of people what I am saying will be right, but for a number of other people, what I am saying will be wrong. It's all about perception I guess.

"You are just pretty embarrassing in fact... black is a color, white is a color.. no competition but inequalities are real out there"
Okay, firstly I don't understand how you think I am "embarrassing", though I appreciate your honesty. Secondly, I am very aware that inequality is out there.

"But of course you don't see the side effect. You just into your own business careless addressing issues of others."
This is an issue I actually care about. That's all I'm going to say.

I'm really not sure what your whole opinion means, but thanks for responding anyways.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[cush_ebo]

The most important thing in my message: If people have a problem let them express themselves, don't came to scam their protest with other message... that's really not the period, create your movement.

[Djaay]

First of all...

When black baby was born he/she was black
When they are in the sun they are black
When they are happy they are black
When theyre sick they are black
When theyre about to die theyre black
White folk
When they were born theyre pink
When theyre in the sun theyre red or tan
When theyre happy theyre pink or red
When theyre sick theyre pale
When they die theyre gray
And white people call black people colored.
Secondly , NO ONES LIFE MATTERS unless you're salvation has been saved through JESUS CHRIST. You should be saving souls , not skins.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Thanks for you response, I've read it but I will respond to it later given how busy I am but you will get a response eventually :)

[SpiderManFan2002]

Your first point, lol.

Your second point, I disagree. I assume it's some Christian argument you're using, which I respect your religion- but I believe regardless of religion everyone's life matters. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic- whatever your religion is, your life matters.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[sheat1]

Recently I've taken the stance that it shouldn't be "Black Lives Matter" but "All Lives Matter". I feel the statement alone of "Black lives matter" just continues to separate and devide and as long as the black community continues to separate them self's in this way there will always be a feeling of inequality and separation. If they were truly wanting equality the distinction and seperation needs to stop and the protest needs to be made "All Lives Matter"

[SpiderManFan2002]

Thanks for the response I'll respond to what you say a little later, it may take sometime but you'll get a response don't worry :)

[Froyologirl]

@sheat1 OMFG NOOOO! why don't you racists understand this. After every analogy that could possibly be given. All Lives Matter when Black Lives matter. This isn't separating. You racists and trumpets are separating and dividing us. but ofc you will blame Obama or just the "liberals". Stop being brainwashed by your culty leader Trump.

[sheat1]

@Froyologirl thank you for sharing your thoughts I appreciate and enjoy hearing everybody's thoughts and opinions. It help to build and expand my own perspective. Your comment made me curious why you would assume I was a racist when I thought my comment was suggesting equality between all. If you believe I am a racist you would be wrong, sorry. I try not to write long post's but maybe I need to get better at pervaying my message more clearer. Untill then I'll need more opinions like yours that added insights that will help me better my self.
So I wanna know if there's something I had said that suggest im a racist? I can't figure out what I said and I don't want to think you just assumed I was a racist because assumption is not making anything better. (Ha, you thought I was gonna call you an ass) but (t) really uneducated options are litterally the most dangerous and damaging factors to figuratively everything.(did I get that right? is it the other way?) lol Please don't be part the problem, educate yourself take care and happy trails.

[Girlpower1010]

well put

[sheat1]

thanks @Girlpower1010 Im always try to put it well 🤣✌️

[Froyologirl]

@sheat1 Well let's see I don't see y'all advocating "All Lives Matter" everyday like Black people do. Y'all only mention it when we mention Black Lives Matter. How convenient. NOT. Saying All Lives Matter just takes away the power from Black Lives Matter. Y'all idiots think it says Only black lives matter. It is not our fault that your interpretation is shit. It's like one house is on fire. And you're going to burn out the one that is on fire. Then someone comes along, house fine, saying "what about me". WELL WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE PERFECTLY OK, YOUR HOUSE IS NOT ON FIRE. THAT'S EXACTLY THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BLM. whites aren't oppressed and never will be.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@sheat1 "s long as the black community continues to separate them self's in this way there will always be a feeling of inequality and separation"
Except it's not the black community separating itself. It's the police (not all police but a notable number of them) treating black individuals differently and unlawfully, disproportionately.

I know police brutality happens to white people and other races too, but not as much as it happens to the black people. Black people are disproportionately killed by the police. That for me, causes a feeling of inequality, not the statement "Black Lives Matter".

Nobody needs to say "All Lives Matter" because it's not all lives being disproportionately killed by the police, nobody needs to be reminded that all lives matter. I'm saying black lives matter, because all lives matter and the law and police in America don't seem to think black lives matter, given the disproportionate brutality black people face.

That is why I say "black lives matter."

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[skeetskeetskeet]

I dont get this supposed white guilt shit... i never owned anyone... neither did my parents and guess what... if you get down to it most of the time racism is called out when someone gets caught acting like a. . you know the word. . I've been harassed by cops my entire life and im white.. and I'm not sticking up for them. The nuch bigger picture is not institutional racism its that the cops have to much freedom to do whatever they want and get away with it

[BoountyHunter]

EXACTLY

people act as if White people are never harassed, or killed by cops.
I have met plenty of jackass cops in my life.. and plenty of good ones
and honestly i believe most of the time its about POWER.. and less about race

We also need to stop with this "White Privilege" or "White Guilt" nonsense
many Whites suffer just as much as Blacks (especially when people are arguing the Middle Class is dying)
and WHY should I apologize for slavery? or pay some sort of reparations?
what does that have to do with me, or black people today?
seems like people forget that Whites fought to abolish it as well?
not to mention my family wasn't even here...

its just all nonsense
and now you have things like what happened in Atlanta
where arguably the cops didn't do anything wrong
but still a police chief steps down... a cop is terminated
and a black mayor is demanding "changes"

its political nonsense at this point

[skeetskeetskeet]

Yes indeed it is

[WowwGirl]

It's a high school girls writing and you guys should remember this

[WowwGirl]

Good lord the low T levels is For Real

[BoountyHunter]

@WowwGirl Trueee
but she seems open to conversation at least
thats more than I can say for most on this topic (on both sides)

[WowwGirl]

@BoountyHunter it's open to 17 year old girls level of discussion.. who's brain won't fully be developed until she's 25. I'm the one who got attacked and called a racist.. I was quite

[SpiderManFan2002]

@skeetskeetskeet @boountyhunter Again, I see both of you, and I hear what you say. And yes, I am completely open to discussion with you both. Ugh, I wish G@G had like a groupchat feature or something because that'd come in handy right now, but I suppose we'll just have to make do with what we've got.

Anyway, I know I've already told @boountyhunter this, but I'm repeating myself for @skeetskeetskeet that you've said a lot and I'd like to take the time to respond to it in length and depth, because I feel it's an important issue for everyone and it needs to be discussed. But I'm pretty busy, so I can't do it right away, like with real life responsibilities and stuff I can't neglect those.

But I'm not ignoring you, don't worry, it's just gonna take some time to respond to you, that's all.

[BoountyHunter]

@WowwGirl
in my honest opinion
if someone this young wants to speak and actively seek conversation with others (regardless of perspective)
it much more than most people double her age...
so what if she's young
or if she doesn't understand everything going on
she's proactive... which is more than I can say about most people on this topic

[BoountyHunter]

its fine!!
but my advice to you is to only pick a few people to talk to

if you try replying to everyone
you will get overwhelmed

[WowwGirl]

@BoountyHunter I didn't ask your opinion I ask you to be respectful and for a man that should be easy (men have self respect). Unless you are that insecure you just can't even pretend to be a man? And want to battle a high school girl😂😂😂

[BoountyHunter]

@WowwGirl hahaha
im not really the type to fall for sex based games
unless they are the fund kind ;) haha

but nah
"battle"
not everything has to be a battle
people need to start having discussions

[WowwGirl]

Just because you weren't raised with a father doesn't make your a woman or an equal to one👉👉😂 weirdos.

[WowwGirl]

Without I meant sorry. You would act like a man if you had seen one regularly.

[BoountyHunter]

@WowwGirl you are making very little sense
but thats fine

[WowwGirl]

@BoountyHunter awesome I'll take it. Thank you

[SpiderManFan2002]

@WowwGirl Honestly, it's okay. I know you care about me, but he's not looking for a fight in my opinion. :)

He's just looking for a healthy discussion, which is cool, people should really have more of those. And I know I'm only young, but with him being a white American dude, and me being a brown British girl, I think both of us will have had very different experiences in life, so it's good I get to hear him talk from his experience, and see his perspective. And it's good he gets to hear me talk from my experience and see my perspective.

I'm certainly not looking for a fight here, I think this could help us both grow as people.

[American_Centurion]

@WowwGirl just because she's 17 and female doesn't mean her views or opinions are less relevant than a grown ups, they are less relevant because they are mostly bullshit. Her age or gender has little to do with that.

[skeetskeetskeet]

Wowgirl dont forget DAVE LIVES MATTER

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter I'm glad you agree it's political nonsense and that you realize the systemic racism. And y'all are victimizing yourselves. No one is guilting you for being white. LMAO.

[Froyologirl]

@skeetskeetskeet yea imma need you to log off ma'am.

[skeetskeetskeet]

And why would listen?

[Froyologirl]

@skeetskeetskeet nice grammar.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
Honestly the political nonsense
is that in a society where
Black people have been presidents
Business owners
Heads of police departments
Heads of State
Heads of Cities
Heads of Educational Institutions
etc etc etc

the list is endless

and speak about "Institutional Racism" as if its widespread and preventing Black America from achieving anything... is ridiculous

THERE are inherently racist figures in the United States (of all races)
As I stated above, I won't deny some Police department officials, or officers as being racist
or that certain political leaders are racist (Trump included)
However.. the BLM has largely exaggerated this issue... to use as a political ploy. . and nothing more
^ its to the point that we label anything as racist (in regards to black people) without proof
its to the point that "White Privilege" is being pushed to remove White people from the discussion
its to the point that "White Guilt" is discussed on nearly every television program... and that Black individuals expect Whites to apologize for past White crimes...
While ignoring that Whites fought on both sides of this issue... that even BLACKS owned slaves... and that it has nothing to do with White people today (Even most White people today have no heritage in the USA that goes back that far... including myself)
THE attempt of the movement to spread this absolute lie that ONLY White people have committed these crimes... YET at the same time basically preaching the inability of the black community to be accountable for its own actions in the modern day? (ridiculous... and very ironically racist.. even against black people)
or push the lies that "Racism is invented by Whites".. or "Only Whites can be Racist"...

its absolutely ignorant

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter I mean whites did invent racism. So just say Trump 2020 and move on. Thank You.

[skeetskeetskeet]

I know

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl "Whites invented Racism"

This is yet another issue with this current movement
and shows the ignorance and pure hatred being spewed

no one invented racism
racism is often based upon ignorance (you are showing a great deal of it)
blacks can be racist
whites can be racist
no group "invented" it

Care to explain to me in HISTORY how Whites invented it?

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter ugh go away I'm talking to skeet

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter and yes you did invent it learn world history.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl I have a BA in Social Science,
I majored in History
minored in Sociology

I gave you a chance to answer and provide your examples/proof
you replied with
"yes you did"

o. o

good job.

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter Thank you I try. And just bc you have a major in white history. Means nothing to me.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl

I think you have clearly shown
over and over again
how racist you are :P

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter you're funny lmao. Anyways just say Trump 2020 and move on.

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl

do you have any actual arguments?
or do you simply resort to ad hominems?

[Froyologirl]

@BoountyHunter I enjoy my ad hominens

[BoountyHunter]

@Froyologirl
clearly

[SpiderManFan2002]

@skeetskeetskeet "I dont get this supposed white guilt shit... i never owned anyone... neither did my parents"
You shouldn't feel guilty for slavery. As you said, you never owned anyone neither did your parents. But what you or anyone of any colour should feel guilty about, is if you don't speak up against racism when they see it happening. I guess it's called "white guilt" because white people are the majority in countries like the USA and the UK yet a lot of them dismiss racism when they see it happening. But it's not just white people that dismiss racism when they see it happening, I'm sure it happens on all sides- so should it just be called guilt?

"if you get down to it most of the time racism is called out when someone gets caught acting like a. . you know the word. ."
No, I don't know the word.

"I've been harassed by cops my entire life and im white.. and I'm not sticking up for them. "
I wouldn't think you are sticking up for them, given you have been harassed by them as you said. And of course, I know white people also get killed and harrassed by police too, that I'm not denying. But black people get disproportionately killed by police. Black people are far more likely to be killed by police than white people

[SpiderManFan2002]

@skeetskeetskeet One can argue: "That is because black people commit crime disproportionately"

That's not a justification for the killing of black people by police at all. If police looked at a black person as a human being first, rather than seeing their colour before everything else, the police wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

Sure, not every case of police brutality white on black, will be down to racism. But it is highly likely a large number of them could be- therefore, the police force needs to be restructured in my opinion. Sure, in some cases you may not be able to prove it- but it is highly likely that racism and implicit bias has a part to play in this, as well as the cops having too much power.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[skeetskeetskeet]

Well more white people are shot by cops every year than blacks... but still... how come 12% of the population is responsible almost 3/4 of the murders and make up a majority of the prison populations... im supposed to feel guilt... thats crazy... I've been to prison 2 times. Where's all the black guilt. It boils down to this... if any of the people today were actually slaves they would have an argument

[captain_voidwalker]

White people have nothing to feel guilty about. Anyone who thinks only white people committed atrocities throught history is a damned fool and dosen't know what they are talking about. As a point of fact white people are largely responsible for eventually righting those injustices.

Before anyone starts accusing me of being blind to my white privilege, I'm Hispanic so take that bullshit argument elsewhere

[SpiderManFan2002]

I'll respond to what you said, later, I've read it, but I'm also busy- so I'm not ignoring you, but I can't reply right away. Thanks for reading though :)

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker literally no one is forcing whites to feel guilty. That's your own horrible interpretation. But there is white privlege so stfu

[captain_voidwalker]

No there isn't white privilege. Some people are born in good circumstances some are born in bad circumstances. It has nothing to do with race or class or gender.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl white privilege does not exist, white people are the ones being discriminated against in america today. whites face the systemic racism of affirmative action

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit LMAOOOOOOO i have to laugh. Okay sir keep living in your dreams. White people were never and never will be oppressed. I don't know why it's a competition to see who's more oppresesed. You should be grateful you aren't. Only POC aka minorities in America are oppressed. *Cough* (African americans, Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans). How tf are y'all gonna be oppressed when you are over 70% of the population in America. Stop embracing yourself. And stop being brainwashed by Trump and Fox News. Also I'm pretty sure a cis white heterosexual male. You definitely aren't. The only time a white male isn't oppressed is if they are apart of the LGBTQ+ community. So take your bs elsewhere.

[Froyologirl]

@Froyologirl embarrassing*

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker See the thing is that most of African Americas and Hispanics were born under "bad circumstances"

[captain_voidwalker]

Firstly plenty of white people are also born in bad circumstances, second you can always work hard to over come your circumstances that's what I did. And thirdly yes white people can absolutely be oppressed in America. Affirmative action takes jobs away from white people and gives them to minorities that's text book oppression and discrimination.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl whites are the only ones oppressed now, you are a child though so you don't exist in the real world or see any oppression

whites are oppressed by affirmative action

every day my grad school email filled up with job offers that said "only black and latino men and all females are encouraged to apply"

many colleges have opened up black only dorms
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../csu-black-student-housing_us_57d03c69e4b03d2d4597b491

Detroit music festival charges white people double www.wbur.org/.../tiny-jag-afrofuture-music-festival

evergreen college has a “day of no white people”
www.washingtontimes.com/.../

Microsoft vows to hire less white people finance.yahoo.com/.../...-hire-more-195404732.html

HUFFpo wants less white authors www.washingtontimes.com/.../

A candidate for the DNC chair was applauded for saying it was her job to shut white people up; now she did lose Buuuuut what was she keying in on? Why did she think this was a good idea? Clearly there were sentiments she was trying to tap into
www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...their_mouths.html

anti racism rally bans white people from asking questions www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

university of Virginia staff says “there are too many white people in here some of you please leave” www.foxnews.com/.../university-of-virginia-student-says-too-many-white-people-at-schools-new-multicultural-center-report

A. I finds minorities are responsible for the most racism online https://pluralist.com/ai-censorship-cornell-study/

joe biden said it would be a good thing if whites became a minority
100percentfedup.com/.../
and not a day goes by where I don’t see a white person on a college campus told to shut up because they have “privilege”

[Girlpower1010]

@007kingifrit *mic drop*

[007kingifrit]

@Girlpower1010 yup bet she won't respond to that lol

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Sorry bish I'm here

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Your evidence literally meant nothing. Colleges entering minorities doesn't mean no whites will get in. Did you forget that blacks are around 13% of the U. S population ALL over. So just because they're encouraged to apply doesn't mean that most will or that they'll steal all the jobs. Same with Hispanics being 16% of the population. lmao so invalid statement. They're just encouraging diversity. It would be different if blacks and hispanics were the majority. Joe Biden is trash. lmao. Think about it for a moment. Minorites have been shitted on for centuries. So ofc some minorities may be "racist" toward the whities. And just because some people said no white people or day without white people doesn't actually mean "hey let's get rid of white people". Unless you're Biden, but he's well crazy.

[Froyologirl]

@Girlpower1010 Sir you're not involved in this convo so leave. And that wasn't a mic drop lmaooo. He failed and he's playing the victim. Anyways "Slugs for salt 2020" hahah clown.

[sensible27]

3)..

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl yea no, colleges have a set limited number of seats. if some seats are reserved for one race it does take seats away from the other more qualified people

of course you didn't respond to my list or anything in my list... how could you? its so exhaustive

[captain_voidwalker]

You might aswell give up 007, the very concept of meritocracy is anathema to people like froyo. They never had to work hard for anything in life so they have no frame of reference. For people like you and me who had to earn everything wrong have we can understand the injustice that is affirmative action

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker we're having a conversation go away

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Let's be honest some black kids don't even go to college. It's sad yes. And they're spread all around the U. S. Same with Hispanics. So they're only taking up 5% of the seats, which isn't a lot. Most black kids prefer to go to HBCU's anyway.

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit and yes I looked at your list

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl aaaaand some white kids not only dont go to college but face a giant list of discrimmination like i just listed

so no, white privilege is not real

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Are you sure it's because they said racist things. Did you see what happened to some Harvard students. The upcoming freshman said racist things about Mexicans on the Harvard platform and got denied.

[captain_voidwalker]

Isn't everything a racist saying these days. I mean according to SJW logic I'm racist because I enjoy Chinese food on occasion, then sometimes they say I can't be racist because I'm Hispanic. You people on the left are a walking hypocrisy and a constant self contradiction

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker ew why you trumptards mention liberals in every sentence

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl you're right you're not a liberal... you're a marxist. and you try to respond to individual things from my list but you ignore the larger point that white people face systemic discrimination

[captain_voidwalker]

Ahh trumptard a fine insult coming from someone who wants communism which has killed what's the count now 400+ million people

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit omg they don't. How tf can you opress the oppressor. I don't understand your logic. It's really funny how different platforms have contrasting opinions, regardless of age.

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker I don't know how acknowledging that white people aren't oppressed led you to that, but whatever.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl aha and there it is. you hate white people by calling them "the oppressor" you display this

white people are not the oppressor. whites are the only people in history who fought to free slaves and everyone EVERYONE had slaves. so whites are actually the least oppressive people on the planet

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit I don't hate white people. I hate the right wing people :). Anyways let's try to sum this up. You really think Lincoln freed slaves because he was nice. No. He freed them because he saw that it wouldn't be good to the economy and it wouldn't look good moving forward.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl you literally just refered to all white people as "the oppressor" you do hate white people

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Were they not the oppressors back then?

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl... we aren't living "back then"

also no: everyone had slaves back then, including blacks... so i guess by your logic "blacks are oppressors"

you also tried to switch between talking about the present and the past seamlessly even though we were talking about NOW and you said whites are oppressors... meaning now

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit honestly I feel like we're getting no where. So I'm just going to say how I feel. The ALM movement is only said to devalue the BLM movement. If people shouted ALM all the time, nobody would care about people saying ALM. It's just you only say it when we say BLM. People forcing white people to be guilty doesn't make sense since there are white people protesting and supporting the movement. Every state has had a protest, some more than once, and 20 other countries; and only 3 involved looting (Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Atlanta). The others just contained police tear gassing peaceful protestors. I've seen videos of protestors literally speaking to officers peacefully and respectfully then getting arrested. White privledge is a white man and a black man doing the same crime, but the black man getting the harshest crime while the white man usually gets a few years or heck even bail sometimes. It doesn't mean "oh you're white" "whelp no jail for you :D" or "oh you're white" "you automatically CEO of our business yay". And again to minority argument, I don't know where you live, but some places still aren't that diverse. They're encouraging more diversity for their work environment or school. Schools like to offer more to minorities because well minorities are still make up most of poverty. They're trying to give them more opportunities.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl privilege is a divisive concept that can only increase racism by telling you that you are a member of a group and not an individual. it tells you to look at someone's identity and not their individual life story

sure a black guy might get a longer jail sentence... but maybe he was stupid and blurted out threats while getting arrested or mouthed off to the judge (as they do). that's not racism that's individuals doing things differently.

also are you telling me a rich black would get a longer sentence than a poor white? because that's BS. EVERY disparity you can name is caused by something else. not race.

by believing in privilege you are telling people their race is important. you are making racial conflict worse, not better. In particular whites are attacked for having "privilege' and this leads them to justified revenge acts.

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit You do realize saying "as they do" is stereotypical and racist right. Making the assumption all black people who get arrested rEsIsT or are "threatening" lmao. This is the reason we're going through this right now. Floyd dies and people still justify his death because apparently Floyd was "resisting". Y'all say that about every Black death and people are tired of hearing it. And yes a rich black guy would get a longer sentence.
Anyways 007, do you wear a mask out.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl stereotypes are not something to be avoided. that's just a trick the far left uses to tell us not to see what is before our very eyes. as for being racist or not i don't care either way. you people used that word too often and drained all meaning from it.

yes black people actually do resist arrest more than anyone else www.sfgate.com/.../...isting-arrest-at-6229946.php

accept the facts... and way to ignore my entire post to whine about "racism" typical left winger avoiding argument to namecall

if you believe in privilege. you are a destructive person

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Ugh it's like talking to a brick wall. Honestly I forgot what we were arguing about. First white privledge then black people you referred to as "you people" (by the way stop doing that) resist more. I finished 2 arguments, well not finish but kinda leave it as a truce. I doubt I'll ever be able to change your mind and you won't be able to change mine. We obviously have completely different viewpoints and I'm sick of arguing. Whether or not black people resist doesn't mean anything, but I'm just leaving it at that. How about we just call it truths.

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit i still don't understand what you don't get.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl that's because i understand everything. i just know better than you that white people have done nothing wrong and owe nobody anything

white privilege isn't real either. just a tool by black supremacists such as yourself

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit black sumpremists LMAOOO. OMG I HAVE TO LAUGH. shut the fuck up. just say trump 2020 and move on. You're embarassing yourself.

[007kingifrit]

@Froyologirl great counter arguments. repeat what i say and type lmao over and over again

[captain_voidwalker]

Clearly she forgot about all the we was kangs n shiet from a dew years ago

[Froyologirl]

@007kingifrit Whatever. Happy #All Countries Matter Day!!!

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker and for you. Systemic racism is a thing. Get over it

[captain_voidwalker]

Yes racism is a thing white people deal with it all the time have you not been paying attention to what we've been saying

[SpiderManFan2002]

@captain_voidwalker "White people have nothing to feel guilty about. Anyone who thinks only white people committed atrocities throught history is a damned fool and dosen't know what they are talking about. As a point of fact white people are largely responsible for eventually righting those injustices."
When I said "white guilt" in the MyTake I wasn't talking about the history. History is history, nobody can help what their ancestors did. And many people also helped right those injustices, and as you said, a number of people who did that, were white- and I believe the history books should highlight them more too. I'd like to know their names as well.

But the issue for me, isn't about history. It's about speaking up. Acknowledging this issue. Not dismissing the issue, just because you believe it isn't your problem. And in a number of cases white people (not all of them but a significant number of them) will dismiss racism because it doesn't affect them. This is what a number of people mean when they say: "white guilt" though, that said, when it comes to prejudice against a particular community lots of people who aren't that community will dismiss the issue because they believe it isn't their problem, so should we just call it guilt?

"Before anyone starts accusing me of being blind to my white privilege, I'm Hispanic so take that bullshit argument elsewhere"
Well, I wasn't even going to accuse you of white privilege- but you said anyone so I know you weren't referring to just me.

But I do believe in countries like the USA and the UK- white privilege does exist.

In any country, the majority population will always have it a little easier than the minorities, because there is more of the majority- so in a sense, they're not perceived as "different" because they are majority. And because they are the majority more people are less likely to hold bias against them, as more people are them.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@captain_voidwalker It's not right, but unfortunately, it's human nature- to judge someone different, or some people we don't understand- people even do it without realising. All we can do is learn about different people to eliminate these biases we all have, and embrace difference instead of being afraid of it.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[Froyologirl]

omg @captain_voidwalker you're delusional stop it

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker I keep thinking your @007kingifrit. Oops. leave the convo

[Froyologirl]

@captain_voidwalker no one cares about what you're saying anymore

[blank_expression]

White guilt is the same as white suicide. How about just go ____ yourself and make some blacks happy. I have zero guilt as my white ancestors were enslaved by black Muslims. You have been brainwashed out of your own existence so follow through.

[SpiderManFan2002]

" I have zero guilt as my white ancestors were enslaved by black Muslims."
White guilt isn't just about slavery. And, the claim I just quoted, you know that how?

[007kingifrit]

saudi arabia didn't emancipate their white slave population until 1963

anyone expressing any support for white guilt is just racist against white people

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit "saudi arabia didn't emancipate their white slave population until 1963"
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I will certainly have to fact-check that claim for myself. As you say, I am only a "high schooler" and I am not a history student, so there is still so much history I don't know. So I will read up on Saudia Arabia and white slavery so I can form an opinion on the matter.

[crazy8000]

If you feel guilty for something you haven't done you have been manipulated.
Much simpler isn't it.

[SpiderManFan2002]

But not doing something is also an act.

For example, in British law under certain circumstances you can be charged with an omission (failure to act) and in a court of law, you can't argue "but I didn't do anything" because that's the whole point of why you're being charged, because you could have and should have done something but you didn't, therefore, whoever is being charged with an omission should feel guilty.

It's the same with whether you can or can't speak. Everyone has a voice, and if someone has been silent about racism because they believe it isn't "their problem" then yes you should feel guilty because everyone's voice counts- and they could have spoken but they didn't.

However, if you are referring to slavery, while I do agree you shouldn't feel guilty for that because you didn't have a hand in slavery however everyone including you should acknowledge and condemn the history.

[BlckGrl]

Whew. A sensible comment ty God

[007kingifrit]

no not doing something isn't an act. you are not obligated to do something

you do not owe anyone else anything. this is born from the false idea that you are not an individual.

you are a racist for lumping people in and saying "you have to do something because you are white"

that's why white guilt is racist

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit Again, not doing something can certainly be an act, otherwise the English legal system and many other legal systems would state otherwise. What are you going to tell me now, that you know more than qualified people who devised legal systems that has worked in many instances?

"you do not owe anyone else anything. this is born from the false idea that you are not an individual."
You don't. But some people would say that's it's just human d ency to help others. If you don't want to help, that's cool- but don't surprised if people call you selfish or self-centered. And don't expect people to help you when you need it either.

"you are a racist for lumping people in and saying "you have to do something because you are white""
Again, not that's not what I'm saying. I'm not white or black, but I'm still doing something and I know problems within my ethnic communities that I admit our problems when it comes to racism. For example for a number of Pakistanis/South Asians colourism is still a thing, as in they believe light skin is good, and dark skin is bad. Now not all of us have this colourism issue like I'm Pakistani and we have skin tone variations in our family, compared to my brother I am light-skinned but I'm not treated any differently by my family than my brother because of my lighter skin.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@007kingifrit And compared to my some of my cousins I am dark-skinned but again, they get treated any better than me because of their light-skin. And there are many families and people like me and my family who don't do the whole colourism thing and couldn't really care less about skin tone. But there are still people who do, and even though I don't contribute to colourism myself, if I see it happening I'll call it out, and I will tell my ethnic communities as a whole: "If you don't do colourism, great but if you do please stop because it contributes to racism." Now from what I have seen of white culture, colourism isn't really the same. I mean sure I see white people going to tan and stuff, but I don't see skin tone made a huge deal about like it is in some cases in brown culture.

So I'm brown and I'm doing something within my own ethnic communities not solely because I am brown, but because what happens is wrong and if we really want racism to finish- we have to all identify our problems and fix them. But I don't speak out solely to the brown community either- I'll speak on racism as a whole to everyone regardless of race as well because yes, while the brown community is one of my communities I don't think that should be my only community- humanity should also be my community, so I speak out to everyone.

I'm not black or white but I will speak out about racism if it happens to black or white people as I would if it happened to brown people if I see it happening. And if I see racism happening to a black or white person and think to myself: "It isn't my problem because I'm not black or white" and say nothing, I'm enabling racism to happen therefore I am a "racism enabler" and I should feel guilty.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

The issue isn't one of race, it is one of class and controllable population vs those capable of and reliant on individual thought and situational attention.

In short, we're fucked. Humanity has divided and those of individual value that refuse to comform will be removed.

[Froyologirl]

ewww another dumbass. It is because of race :KDSfl;kd/fsdfssdf

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

@Froyologirl because the opinion of a 17 year old girl matters

[Froyologirl]

@DeltaCharlieEcho And what does age have to do with anything.

[sensible27]

Ask a 10 year old lol

[BlckGrl]

I honestly don't understand the narrative that you're supposed to feel guilty for being white because of your ancestors good mytake

[SpiderManFan2002]

Yeah I agree, I'm sure at points our ancestors would have all done terrible things- maybe or maybe not as bad as slavery but nobody should feel guilty for the actions of their of their ancestors because none of us can control what their ancestors did. Sure, I admit if your ancestors did bad things you should feel ashamed of them and what they did, just like if your ancestors did good things you feel proud of them- but don't make yourself feel guilty, don't feel ashamed of yourself, or don't feel like you should take credit or proud of yourself if they did a good thing.

[not329446]

Only 17 and not yet intelligent enough to recognize a line of crap. Everybody is entitled to their opinion no matter who it fails to agree with. It's sad to see young people baffled by bullshit.

[WowwGirl]

It's sad to see a senior citizen attack a high schooler too. 😎👉 Pretend you have pride maybe

[SpiderManFan2002]

"Only 17 and not yet intelligent enough to recognize a line of crap."
Okay, though I disagree with you opinion, I hear you. What makes you think I lack intelligence and can you explain what you mean by: "line of crap?"

" Everybody is entitled to their opinion no matter who it fails to agree with."
Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion, I never stated they aren't.

[not329446]

Example 100 black people killed in 2015 killers not caught, don't their lives matter.
There were a lot more than that. Chicago gets more than that every month.. Do the lives matter? They do but at the same time they don't. It's sad to see so many die but how many would have survived had they not been involved in some sort of crime. Any resistance to arrest is nearly guaranteed to result in injury or death. At the end of the day dead. or alive don't matter black or white don't matter. Your just a $ on somebody's Tally sheet. I'm white but no stranger to police harassment and brutality
I know what it's like to have fun stick in my face. Pigs use to harasss people just for having long hair. Haul you off to jail just because you don't have enough money in your pocket. Roll your sleeves up to search for needle marks. A little scratch would subject you to arrest for drug use.
Black people don't seem to see the whole picture a lot of white people don't either. A great deal of police brutality has nothing to do with race. Some cops
Are thugs with an attitude. This is why I say s lot of. This is senseless crap.

[not329446]

Perhaps my response is a little harsh. But what is he going to have to face in life as an adult? What happens when an employer gets in his face and criticises his work. You need more facts

[SpiderManFan2002]

@not329446 Since your reply was really long and I am a busy person I'll respond to what you said later, you will get a reply, but it just won't be right away but you'll get one eventually :)

[Froyologirl]

@not329446 and you're 67 and old. Why should we trust you. How do we not know you have dementia or sum.

[not329446]

You don't need to trust me. But you do need to understand the value of free speech and be able to accept criticism. You will face it throughout your life. If you can't take it you will most likely incurr employment and relationship issues.
Embrace criticism sort out it's pros am cons choose your own path.

[WowwGirl]

@not329446 just because you're bitter doesn't make you better

[SpiderManFan2002]

@not329446 "You don't need to trust me."
I know I don't *need* to but I want to. I need to understand the value of free speech, right? And what better way to do that, than to analyse your argument and agree/disagree where I feel necessary?

[SpiderManFan2002]

@not329446 Also I never said "don't criticise" I simply told people to not be disrespectful. There's a difference. Several people on this MyTake have counteracted/disagreed with my points, but they've done it in a respectful manner.

Yes, there is freedom of speech and you can choose to use it as you like. But don't surprised when people call you disrespectful and insult you the way you insult them. You want to be respected? Treat people how you would want to be treated.

[not329446]

I'm not bitter but that's ok.
Analyze argument and agree or disagree is good.

[WowwGirl]

Thank you

[Froyologirl]

@not329446 you are bitter.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@not329446 "Example 100 black people killed in 2015 killers not caught, don't their lives matter.
There were a lot more than that."
If you read what I said properly, 100+ black people were killed by police in 2015. I know it was more than 100, hence the '+'.

"It's sad to see so many die but how many would have survived had they not been involved in some sort of crime."
The question is why were they involved in crime. Each person has their own story- nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks they'll commit crime for no reason. And not every person killed by police was involved in crime, so don't insinuate that you assume they all were. And they don't have the chance to explain to us, why they were involved in crime, because that chance got taken away from them. And how do you know the ones who were involved in crime wouldn't have reformed and changed others? Sure, I'm not saying every single one of them would have, but some would have. Everyone deserves the chance to reform- but the people who die from the police brutality, don't get that chance.

The fact they were involved in crime does not justify their killing in the slightest. I don't care if they were a criminal or not- the police officer (s) who kill them, are also criminals as they kill someone unlawfully- yet they literally get away with murder. You don't refer to them as criminals though, do you?

"Any resistance to arrest is nearly guaranteed to result in injury or death. At the end of the day dead. or alive don't matter black or white don't matter."
Except it does matter. Because black people are far more likely to stopped by the police, or killed by the police than white people. If it was an equal chance that black people and white people would get stopped or killed by the police- then it wouldn't matter, or if it was white people are more likely to get stopped or killed by the police, then again, it would matter.

[SpiderManFan2002]

But the reality is, black people are killed disproportionately to their population, 3x more likely to be stopped than white people. Maybe not every white police officer commits brutality upon a black person is a racist, maybe it's just power gotten to their head. But I certainly believe in many of these cases- race, whether it be racism or (also racist) implicit biases have a part to play in the brutality.

Race, shouldn't matter- but unfortunately the reality of the situation is, it does.

A black person's resistance to arrest is far more likely to result in death than a white person's. Sure, a white person's resistance to arrest could result in injury or death- but a black person's resistance is far more likely to result in death.

Until you and many others accept this is the reality of the situation, it's unlikely anything will change- that's police brutality towards black or white people.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.

[AkshiJanjua]

i agree all white people seem the same to me acting good for some time but when the moment arrives they go running to lach on to the white privilege thing

[SpiderManFan2002]

Thanks for your response, I'll respond to you later because I'm busy but you'll get a response eventually lol :)

[AkshiJanjua]

ok i will be waiting 😳

[Froyologirl]

@AkshiJanjua Yay you're the only smart man here

[SpiderManFan2002]

@AkshiJanjua I disagree that all white people are the same in what you say. While a number of them will be as you say, a number of them also won't be. Don't put all people in one box. Everyone is an individual and what should speak for someone as MLK said is the content of their character not the colour of their skin.

I know many white people who care about issues like racism and prejudice towards minorities. My best friend, grew up in a more or less all white town, before she came to our city- in her old secondary school there was literally one black girl in her school. And then two years ago, she came to our secondary school in our city with different races, religions and cultures. And instead of being bigoted towards the differences, she learned about different cultures, and religions and we learned about her too. She cares about racism, not just in the moment but always. And are other white people I know who genuinely care about this issue too. And it's not because of the colour of the skin, but what's in their mind.

PS: If you reply to this, chances are I won't reply because I'm using this app less now- but I felt bad about not replying to you, when I said I'd reply to you. I'm a busy person, so I don't want to guarantee a reply, like I did before- and not give you one. If I had more free time, I'd definitely reply but unfortunately I don't, so chances are I won't.