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Second amendment states I can own , carry and defend myself with a gun. We have freedom here in the United States and this is one of our rights. You want to twist it and talk about “ what if this was a black kid”. If it was a black kid I’d give him the same praise as I give Rittenhouse. If rioters want to riot then get ready for the retribution. Rioting is just a bunch of folks getting together because they are throwing a mass temper tantrum and want to be heard. Since when did the United States become a bunch of pussies and wimps? Folks , like it or not , there will be more folks now standing up and taking things into there own hands and I welcome it with open arms. If You kick a man with a riffle your probably going to get shot.
"If it was a black kid I’d give him the same praise as I give Rittenhouse."
- I really doubt it. People are only saying that because we put the question to the test. But in reality they would not be "equal" about it.
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Yep, the trumpers luv the POS
There’s no question the jury gave him the benefit of the doubt here. Generally, arming yourself to confront protesters does undercut a self-defense claim. Wisconsin law also requires that an individual retreat or flee before using force. I thought that might trip him up, especially on the first and third shootings. The men who were shot, however, provided the circumstances for a jury to have reasonable doubt. This kid is a world class idiot and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that he will face no consequences at all but I do understand how the jury came to this conclusion. Yes, the judge appeared to be biased and yes, I have doubts that a white jury would have been as lenient with a black teen but the system is supposed to let you off if there is any kind of reasonable doubt.
carrying a gun never undercuts a self defence claim. you're stupid.
carrying a gun is never justifacation for voiding a self defence claim because WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS YOU DIPSHIT
You either deliberately misrepresented what I said or you simply don’t have the intellect to understand it. Arming yourself with the intent of seeking confrontation undercuts a self-defense claim. The defendants in the Ahmaud Arbery case have the same issue. Any defense attorney will tell you that is problematic in a self-defense case. The second amendment is irrelevant here. Educate yourself a little bit.
you have no data on his intent. you made that up
you simply implied carrying a gun AT ALL is intent... which is wrong
He stated his intent. He armed himself and traveled to Wisconsin to defend property from rioters. That was a tacit admission that he planned confrontation. You’re either trolling here or you’re a moron. I’m guessing the latter.
I made a similar point.
Only in the US could a 17 year old idiot walk into trouble with an AR15, and then claim self defense without being laughed at by the court.
There are so many accounts that it will take someone really digging into things and giving citations for all the info they give. One account was that he was hired to guard a car lot. (With a gun) Who hires a 17 year old who got the gun illegally (purchased by a friend for Kyle to use) to guard anything? Other accounts stated he was just giving aid to people. Right! The video shows him going into the fray with a rifle that can inflict major damage. That is not giving aid to anyone! Why did the jury take so long? Probably because the judge gave biased instructions that they could not find a way to to give a guilty verdict against those instructions. I think we have not heard the end of the legal moves that are due to show up. Mr. Crocodile tears is already making the rounds speaking and being seen with politicians. I don't know what the end will be legally, but the world knows he was there to kill people, and good people are ashamed that he got away with that, and evil morons are trying to award him a medal.
protecting property from rioters is not a crime. its not looking for trouble. its preventing trouble
@007kingifrit You cannot legally use deadly force to defend property. The gun was useless under those circumstances. The only explanation was that he planned to confront and threaten protesters with it. How else was he going to keep protesters away? Use your head.
Yeah well they attacked him to make physical contact with him after chasing him before he opened fire.
And he only killed a couple riot rats or such, no big people so it is ok.
And then the court say self defense. Why? Because it was self defense you absolute vegetable.
A court doesn’t decide self-defense. It only weighs if there is reasonable doubt to the charges being brought. A not guilty verdict doesn’t mean innocence either. It just means the prosecution didn’t meet the high burden of proof required for a conviction in the. eyes of the jurors. There were a lot of gray areas in this case.
that's just a grade school level legal response "oh innocent the same as not guilt"
it is in america bitch
He did retreat first and the retreat first was null and void after he was suckerpunched by an asshole with a skateboard
@Pterodon That was one of the 3 shootings. They could have convicted him on the other 2 for failing to comply with Wisconsin law. He caught a break.
@007kingifrit What I said is correct. Courts do not determine innocence. Not guilty verdicts simply mean the prosecution failed to meet their burden of proof. This is why you see cases where a person is found not guilty in a criminal trial but then are held accountable in a civil trial. If understanding the legal system is a grade school response, then how would you categorize your stunning ignorance?
no they did declare the self defense
they wrote it "self defense"
maybe the kid left a bad taste because you let him finish in your mouth?
Well he was found innocent in a very blue state so you can’t say it was a bunch of gun loving conservatives. Plus the majority were women so stfu
@Jouth *sigh* Engaging ignorant people is tiresome. Obviously a jury would discuss the concept of self-defense in deliberations but the court does not formally determine whether anyone’s actions were self-defense. They are only deciding if the burden of proof is met on the specific charges filed by the prosecution. The whole thing will be rehashed all over again during the inevitable civil trial.
@Pterodon I never mentioned anyone’s political beliefs or gender as a factor in any of this. You’re spewing your own nonsense at this point. I stated that he caught a break from the jury on Wisconsin’s duty to retreat requirement, which he clearly did. A different jury might have applied the law more stringently. I’m not even disagreeing with the verdict myself. Courts also do not determine innocence. That’s not part of the criminal court process.
you think you're so smart with your dictionary words and I think that's dumb
they did prove he was self defense and they did it in court
how do you think you know all this stuff are you a lawyer? no
and I think you are the one who is ignorant people
He was there to help business owners from losing everything. The footage verifies this
@Jouth Rittenhouse’s attorney argued self-defense in court to create reasonable doubt. However, the court makes no official determination on self-defense. That’s not how it works. A not guilty verdict simply means the prosecution wasn’t able to meet the burden of proof required for conviction. It’s not that I think I’m smart, I just understand how a trial works. You quite obviously do not.
So according to you not guilty doesn’t mean innocent. Well then what does guilty mean?
@Pterodon Criminal courts do not determine innocence. They determine reasonable doubt. Has the prosecution met the burden of proof for conviction? A guilty verdict means yes, a not guilty means no. How have you gone this many years on this earth without knowing the basics of a trial?
So then… you claim the act of having a gun and “confronting protestors” means he deserved to be beaten or killed? Or do you think unless he shot first they had the right to threaten him after? Also Wisconsin is castle doctrine meaning he can defend himself with lethal force if necessary. So no he dont have to run BUT he did run and screamed friendly friendly friendly… witness testimony. And their not protestors if their “rioting”! Also his act of confronting them was putting out a fire…
He shouldn’t have had to be out there it should have been our police… Ide have given the order to gas the whole fucking city.
I’m not going to argue with you I agree he shouldn’t have HAD to be there but police didn’t do shit.
@VanillaSalt And the rioters don't want the cops involved so they can't really complain when private citizens fill the vacuum. Well they can complain, but we ain't going to listen.
@Pterodon God! That's utter basic common knowledge that courts don't declare anyone innocent. Either you have enough proof to say someone is guilty, or not. Not proven guilty =/= innocent. That's at the core of the justice system. The whole thing about reasonable doubt (surely you heard that expression before) is about this. The Opinion Owner is just stating basic obvious facts, she's not trying to act smart or whatever. Look it up. It's all there.
@spearheadbt how the hell did you two end up on my feed?
@Cheechee4me No idea
This is absolute crap. Last year there was a march at Stone Mountain in Georgia with heavily armed black marchers - no one was arrested or shot.
You seem to have predetermined his motives - do you know him? The job of the jury is to determine whether the shooting was justified, and they determined it was based on the evidence. What is your evidence?
And allowing minors to have rifles but not handguns DOES make sense in places where hunting is traditional. THAT is the motivation for the difference in how they are treated by law. I thought that part was rather self-evident.
I watched the video back then of that black militia. Ya think maybe they weren't arrested because they didn't do anything to anybody and weren't trying to stir people up?
So saying in plain English that they will burn the city down and intend to create a black only ethno state and threatening passer-bys with guns isn't doing anything wrong? Okay
@Rangers The KKK and neo Nazis spew out hateful shit on their tirade marches too and no one says anything.
@ManOnFire whataboutism is a sign of morally dead people. you're a horrible person
neo nazi and kkk rallies don't exist. they didn't burn every city down this past year. black supremacy is the problem in america
And KR didn't do anything to anyone until he was attacked. Even the prosecution witness admitted he wasn't shot until he raised his gun. The people doing things and stirring things up were the non-peaceful protestors.
And take a look at the criminal histories of two of the "victims". You can't say shooting them is OK because of that, but it DOES give an indication of their character and what their behavior might have been on the night in question.
Displaying a weapon and hoping to be provoked to use it? No, more like a visible deterrent, as opposed to a hidden handgun. Yet people were stupid enough to assault an obviously armed individual.
Regardless of him being aquited what is a 18 year old doing with a assault riffle yes he was attacked but for the rest of his life he will remember that lives are gone when he should of been home playing VIDEO GAMES 🎮 yet there's nothing he can do to help.
Exactly.
He still should of been playing his video games...
Thank you God bless...
We used to show off each other’s fire arms in the High School parking lot 17 years ago where I’m from.
It doesn't matter what your opinion on the verdict is, he should not be paraded around like a hero. The fact Fox News and the NRA are calling him a "hero" shows you how low their standards are for a hero.
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
and the NRA still thinks of him as a crazed idiot... oh shit! I ain't supposed to say that! oh... piss off! nothing you could you could do to threaten me, now.
@Sabretooth where does the NRA say that? They've been parading his picture around like he's the virgin mary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hJr4HKSctw
@Sabretooth you're referencing TYT?
it's where3 I heard the leak. I don't feel like looking for another. I agree with them... mostly.
though, if you wanna bash em: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULI4GYMkVUE&t=10s
@Sabretooth news channels from both political sides are guilty of bias & lies, but there's typically a lot worse coming from the conservatives; mainly with their covid and vaccine misinformation. It's fine if they want to lie about something stupidly moral like abortion or atheism or stealing Christmas, but when they start lying about something that is getting people killed then it's a huge problem. I know the people on the left lie a lot about woke racism BS, but that doesn't normally lead to hundreds of thousands of people dying.
I haven't noticed any lies from the left... Granted, I only started following under Trump... Half my family are Trump supporters. No lies other than othe than the dangers of weed. I have also seen them call out their compan's bullshit.
Honestly, I miss the days of political ignorance. Granted, I still view both sides of elected representatives full of bullshit--but one side has gone fully insane.
''companies''.
Law wise he did nothing wrong, actually law wise he did something good, which is self defense.
The judge didn't mistrial with prejudice, considering the infractions of the DA, withholding evidence, lying to the judge and on the stand (the DA can't lie), inquiring witnesses on their right to a lawyer, inquiring witnesses on their 5th, badgering witnesses, etc.
It's so bad that several DAs just resigned, and little binger plus sour kraut will suffer administrative procedures.
Did you read the whole Take? If Kyle was a black kid none of that stuff about the law and him doing nothing wrong would matter to people. They would still want him locked up.
And you literally pulled that from your ass without any knowledge of cases.
Roderick Scott is a good example, and on new york.
www.ocalapost.com/.../
You say if Rittehouse were black he'd have been found guilty, OK here is a case tried at the same time as Rittenhouse black defendant pleaded self defence found not guilty on all five of his charges
https://dennismichaellynch.com/black-man-claiming-self-defense-in-murder-trial-found-not-guilty-on-same-day-as-rittenhouse/
The judge openly scolded the prosecution because he questioned Kyle's 5th amendment right to remain silent. Thats a huge no no in a court and prosecutors have been disbarred for that kind of behavior. He should feel lucky he just got a scolding. Also I cannot and will not feel sorry for people who went out to loot and burn getting shot. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I only hope that after this case more rioters get shot by patriots defending thier homes and businesses or thier freinds and family's homes and businesses
ok you're a bafoon
1. scolding the prosecution is necessary when they literally question... the 5th amendment. you want him to just let them get away with that?
2. what experts were you watching that said that was unprofessional? you speak like you still get your news from abc or cnn or cbs or msnbc. you're a bad person if you watch them
3. the weapon charge was dropped because it... wasn't illegal to carry a weapon? GASP. 17 year olds aren't allowed to carry short barreled weapons, not long barrels, htis was a long barrel
Reading your reply and inserting your own opinion tells me something.
You don’t think their are any truly good people in this world.
Was Kyle a career criminal? You know why handguns are banned. You even answer it when you speculated that most people standing outside to defend a store would usually carry a handgun.
See, over my time of doing bad and good things myself I’ve gotten the opportunity to meet such people. The truly good people do not even entertain it from a criminal’s perspective.
Am I saying Kyle is perfect? Nope. Still try looking at things from a good perspective. Everyone doesn’t come to the same conclusions. Everyone isn’t selfish.
I do not know much of this case but I do know that protests can lead to riots. Protest is a gathering of so many people united to express their feelings towards a cause. Often, such a march can lead to violence for varios different reasons. That is why its necessary to have the police escort. Even with police survailance, protest can at any time turn into riots and when this happens, fights break out. If guns are involved, death is a disaster, waiting to happen.
This is the reason why I stay away from all protests, no matter what cause the marches may be.
When blacks are involved at any protest, it inevitably leads to violence
1. It wasn't a "machine gun."
2. He didn't cross state lines with the rifle. https://www.insider.com/6-myths-surrounding-the-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-debunked-2021-11
3. You are a long time liberal racist liar that I remember from years ago when I used to be on this site just like how most of the editors and admin used to be back then.
In Canada, he would have been in jail a long time ago. And out gun laws are strict. A nut like that would not get a gun license. You are only allowed to take it put to the gun range. Not walk around shooting it. Oh gun laws need to change in the usa
THANK you!
Naw. He was attacked, physical contact. He then opened fire in defense. Nothing can change this fact.
He did go to a riot armed to the teeth like he was a fucking Navy Seal. I admit and agree that he was a complete fucking idiot who acted with recklessness and put people's lives in danger.
But when it comes to the question of why those people were shot. Who's fault it was, it seems to be almost entirely the fault of the people who decided to chase and then attack him. The moment these dudes decided to chase a guy with a gun, they entered a new level of stupid, not seen anywhere else that night, and this entrance was rewarded by the cold crack of 5.56 echoing into the night, extinguishing their lives. It fucking sucks. It's sad. It was unfortunate, but I still don't believe self defense is wrong or legally undefendable.
@Jouth Still, civilans should walk around with guns in public, ever.
That's America, whether you agree or disagree citizens walking around with guns is what that country is built on. I see your point tho
"in Canada" who cares. your country arrests people for not using the right pronouns. you don't matter. you're a backwards 3rd world authoritarian dictatorship. i call Canada the gay soviet union
there are no downsides to a highly armed public. keeps the politicians scared of us.
@007kingifrit There you go, you proved my point. Unstable people like you should never be in reach of a gun. Freakin religious racist I bet.
enjoy your time in the gulag. Canada is the gay soviet union
@007kingifrit OK cool, thanks, I will.
Unfortunately if Rittenhouse did this in my country Australia he would go to jail for sure. I believe carrying a gun to make a statement like "" you better not try and assault me because I have a gun"" is legitimate. 3 savage thugs tried anyway and justice was served and the world became a better place. Place stupid game and win stupid prizes.
When dealing in matters of the law, the legal standard is the most important one. You asked about what would happen if a black person did what Kyle Rittenhouse did, well Black men are exonerated for acting in self defense all the time.
You are viewing the situation under the impression that Black people are being persecuted in the United States, but it's just not happening. It's certainly not happening to the extent you've been told it is.
"Also, anyone who could possibly believe Rittenhouse’s story that he went out there as some kind of medic to protect protestors or businesses, and that he “defended himself,” is no less of a fool. " -- But you're wrong because he DID take medical supplies and he only attacked people who attacked him first. Reality isn't about what you hope it is. It's about facts.
He shouldn't have been there.
And the punks he shot shouldn't have been there either.
If everyone would just mind their own fucking business and stay in their lane, this shit wouldn't be happening. Don't be a fucking idiot. Don't riot. If you get shot in a riot, you probably fucking deserved it.
And that is the whole point.
If the riot didn't happen and people went about their own business, no one would have gotten shot!
So yeah, anyone committing a crime would deserve capital punishment? What a load of bullshit. Rioting is bad, I 100% agree, but it's not murder or rape. You clearly don't deserve to be shot dead. There's a reason prisons are not extermination camps.
@spearheadbt Don't be an idiot.
How am I an idiot? Quoting you "If you get shot in a riot, you probably fucking deserved it." Saying THIS is being a monumental idiot! As crazy as someone can be, no one deserves to be shot and killed unless they commit some particularly heinous crime. Period.
Bottom line.
If you see a guy with a gun, ya don't fuck with him.
You don't take a skateboard to a gun fight and expect to win.
@BillyBalls Indeed. But that doesn't mean the guy who shot should get scot free or that the guy deserved it. If you forgot to look both sides when crossing the street and your pedestrian light was on, and you get run over by someone who drove over the red light, he shouldn't get no punishment simply because you'd be alive if you looked at both directions. Of course you'd be alive if you did, and you should look. But at the end of the day, you're not the one who drove over the red light.
If you feel threatened by a skateboard when you have a gun, you shouldn't own a gun in the first place. That guy clearly didn't have the training or maturity to deal with such situations. Since he didn't, then you don't go put yourself exactly in this type of situation by going there and going there with a gun. The guy's an idiot. If you want to play the vigilante, better be able to do the job properly.
@BillyBalls The guy is 17 for Christ sake's. He's not even legally allowed to drink but he'll play the vigilante? Green like that? That should have been taken into account in court. That the guy in no shape or form had the capabilities to do this type of job. That the mere fact of arming himself and going there was criminally irresponsible. And it was. Just look what happened.
@spearheadbt Please go to a riot. Please.
I don't riot. No idea if you mean anything special with this. Or is this your way of showing you don't have any arguments?
@spearheadbt she wants you killed.
@Spearchucker No crime was committed by Rittenhouse. His gun was legal.
@BillyBalls he was legally no allowed to have that gun. he was underaged.
@Sabertooth. The fact is he was legally allowed carry that gun in Wisconsin.
"I love the way a lot of people always try to use laws and technicality to support or excuse these criminals - including some of my own co-workers. By law a 17 year-old can possess a machine gun rifle, but not a semi-automatic handgun. This in itself is standard American legal perversion and imbalance. Why in the world would a 17 year-old be able to possess a rifle but not a smaller handgun?"
You're absolutely right. In a court we should totally ignore laws--particularly the ones we don't agree with--and instead we should wield arbitrary power in the service to whatever cause is in fashion.
Naw. He was attacked, physical contact. He then opened fire in defense. Nothing can change this fact.
He did go to a riot armed to the teeth like he was a fucking Navy Seal. I admit and agree that he was a complete fucking idiot who acted with recklessness and put people's lives in danger.
But when it comes to the question of why those people were shot. Who's fault it was, it seems to be almost entirely the fault of the people who decided to chase and then attack him. The moment these dudes decided to chase a guy with a gun, they entered a new level of stupid, not seen anywhere else that night, and this entrance was rewarded by the cold crack of 5.56 echoing into the night, extinguishing their lives. It fucking sucks. It's sad. It was unfortunate, but I still don't believe self defense is wrong or legally undefendable.
@Jouth 100% agree on all counts.
He put himself in a dangerous spot. His mistake. He did not have to kill people.
But why is everyone bringing race into this? I don't think race has got anything to do with this.
Because if Kyle was black he would be convicted and we know it. Nobody would be defending him having a gun.
Well, yeah, but why did the jury take 3 days to make a decision after careful consideration?
Im not defending that asshole, because believe me, I know that he is a freaking murderer, but the laws allow self defence. I don't know why he had a gun though. It gies against the laws to have a gun.