Andrew Tate confuses me

[Anonymous]

I am not going to trash this man, because at least I don’t think he is an evil person (the allegations against him have supposedly not even been proven) and there are far worse people in the world… However, I will offer my personal thoughts on some things I have heard him say in the videos I have seen circulating the internet.

1. He advocates for men to be with innocent girls who haven’t been with a lot of men - he says virgins in particular have a higher market value but says things like “I don’t like when I am on a date with a girl and she talks about her previous experiences with men because innocence is attractive.” Umm - a girl who is with him on a date is hardly going to be as innocent as the standard of innocent he is advocating. For the kind of innocence he seems to be referring to, such a girl would not easily agree to go on a date. If she agreed it would be in the presence of a chaperone. Also, if a girl is as “pure” and virginal as what he says is the ideal then why destroy the innocence of such a girl? Marry the girl and give her the status and respect of a wife. Otherwise it will just be one more damaged girl to the list of girls he thinks are not valuable.

2. If a woman seems to be spending a lot or has a lifestyle that shows she is spending a lot (referring to girls at clubs and who go on a lot of expensive exotic holidays - I don’t know what alcoholic beverages they were referring to in particular as I am a teetotaller and have never set foot in a club in my life), Tate says it is assumed that some man is paying for it. The point I would like to make here is that he appears to imply that all women are after very rich men and that all women are materialistic. That is one thing that left me baffled. Most men in the world are not rich. There are only like 1% of extreme rich men in the world. Most men are just normal men and most normal women get into relationships with normal men. For that reason I find the commentary on such things to be a massive waste of time - it doesn’t even apply to the masses.

Most girls I know do not go after men with a lot of money - we don’t even in fact know of any multimillionaires and nor are we interested in them. Most girls I know just work, pay their bills and occasionally go out to socialise with friends. They’ll buy something nice occasionally with their own hard earned money - not expecting some man to finance them. He seems to paint everyone with the same brush a lot. Like when he said men should work hard so their daughters don’t go and get ran through by a bunch of men so these men can finance their designer purses and shoes. If that happens then the problem lies with the girl because the people I know have strong character and integrity and will work hard and save for the things they want and not get used by men in order to buy designer items. Even if it takes longer - when it comes from your own hard work it tastes sweeter. I would also take this opportunity to add that most girls I know are from broken homes. It’s all about the resilience of the individual.

3. He has supposedly recently converted to Islam. Islam is a very rigid ideology and everything is followed to the letter. It’s very black and white. If he is a Muslim because he agrees with the ideology then he must have repented for his past sins of clubbing, drinking and fornicating and he is required to hate such behaviours from his heart. If that is the case then these actions are not even a matter of concern because in one of his videos he mentioned wanting an “Islamic wife” - that would denote not staying outside late, obviously none of the activities modern Western women partake in, dressing extremely modestly from head to toe and being modest in her guise too. When I saw that I thought… but why would he deserve a wife like that when he doesn’t have a clean past? When I discussed this with others, many said if he fixes himself and starts to live a modest life then they reckoned he should be allowed to want a wife like that. I thought well that is fair enough - we all make mistakes, especially when we’re young and I suppose if they’re not repeated and one has learned well from their mistakes then we should give them a chance to build a better future.

4. There are certain points of his with which I agree. For instance that men and women should follow traditional gender roles. According to Tate, a woman’s career doesn’t matter. Being a wife and having children is what brings her joy and that husband should be providers and protectors.

However, not all men understand that concept these days though and not all women want to go down the traditional route. The cons of women being 100% financially dependent on husbands such as that if he is violent the woman will find it harder to escape when she has no resources to support herself. I think to avoid that of course we can educate girls and make sure that they are at least independent enough to be able to support themselves just in case of a real emergency like that.

With the world we live in today women have a choice of whether they want to be career women or homemakers but it seems like women who want to be homemakers are made to feel useless and lazy when it is a 24/7 thankless duty wherein a woman does not even expect anything in return. She does not even expect appreciation for all she does for her family, all she expects is to be respected for it.

What are your opinions on Andrew Tate?

[Spade_01]

I haven't been able to follow him up since he became an 'influencer'. I see reels and vids randomly pop up in my feed post and pre conversion. Many 'influencers' try to push their idea of masculinity and feminity to the point it becomes ridiculous. Then there are 'millionaire mindset' type of pages that work on nothing but promoting materialism based on worldly gains and possessions, at times going out of the way to demonise women which is something I don't like.

Tate has been very outspoken. At times, he's been surprisingly right because some of his videos make so much sense when it comes to gender roles and I remember seeing a video of him when he said about men having scars and bruises, that they (men) don't feel the need to hide it much while women don't generally tend to show their scars. Then there are some ridiculous videos of him (I don't know if that was before or after conversion) where he was saying some stuff like 'I'm the king, I'm the man, you're my wife, you are to follow my rules... Cook *waves a toy sword/stick*' 😂 that was so ridiculous that it sounded so funny.

Now, as a Muslim, I have a hard time trusting these 'influencers' because many of them promote LGBTQ, 'halaal' dating (No such thing in Islam), beautifying women so much under niqab and hijab that it beats the purpose of 'pardah' and showing off love and affection between Muslims 'couples'. Tate, as a revert and as a human being with all his tendencies and habits might have a hard time adhering to Islam but if he tries his best and doesn't take it too far, that'd make more sense to what he says. For example, the way he told a woman to cook with such bossiness in that video doesn't go too well with Islam. Helping your wife in cooking and cleaning the house is one of the sunnah (habits of the prophet peace be upon him), no matter what a particular cultire says. Him having his mindset shaped because of how the supposed masculinity should be will not *always* fall in accordance with Islam. As much as strictly Islam tells to adhere to its principles, it's important to note that not every Muslim is a good Muslim. All we can do is try to follow it to the best of our capabilities.

If he admires Muslimahs' utter modesty and sense of 'haya' so much, then he must be focusing on making men as better Muslims as well. Because both go hand in hand. Can't expect to have a good partner when you're not a potentially good partner yourself.

As far as I'm concerned about gender roles, I think both the genders have different roles, responsibilities, opinions and hence their perspectives are shaped. Just because some things sound like double standard or actually are double standards, doesn't mean it isn't justified. Our wishful thinking can't always deny the truth.

For example, when it comes to finding a spouse or a partner, guys don't care much about a woman's height, but a woman usually prefers someone taller than her. In more conservative societies, income of a woman doesn't matter much, but the man's income does because he's supposed to be the provider. Men are more beauty driven, women don't care about looks *as much as* men do. Reason why there is more beauty in women than men and that's why men are told to lower their gaze and women, cover themselves up. Men are more attractive to many women with facial hair, no man likes women with facial hair. Men are physically more dominant and superior, not women. Another example would be the one where Tate said regarding showing of scars to people. Goes differently for men and women. Another one will be in the picture I'll share below.

[Noodle_fan]

first you need to know that he is content creator/influencers

many of them are actually just acting/fake , i would assume that he is like that to gain sympathy of incels , he know that incels usually spend their whole life on internet , and after that he would try making money from em

his main intention is only one , m o n e y.

[chicosuave]

fuck you killed it here. there not stupid, l they understand thats how women make most of the money by simps. Only fans and instagram etc. so Tate is taking advantage of these dudes.

[Dildօphօbe]

I even thought that he is paid by the loominati to push psyops and control minds.

[MzAsh]

He can say whatever he want, but his opinion doesn’t mean anything. I would never go for someone like him. Even when I was 19 and a virgin, a guy with that type of entitlement and hypocrisy around gender roles would be unqualified for being around me.


I predict his next moves are on trying to find a woman to play the role of the wife without actually marrying her, fail and then go on a crusade to convince women to be marriage material regardless of the fact that he’s not marriage material in the slightest, and then fail to do that so he’ll commit himself to religion and disappear, just like Roosh V.

[chicosuave]

oh its holding a lot of power. and his opinion can create so much power. thousands of men are following his lead.

[MzAsh]

I think it’s great because it makes a nice distinction in teaching women which type of men to avoid and reject at all costs.

[MollyLolly21]

@chicosuave Well, there’s the scary part. To think some men grow up thinking of someone like him as an idol is pretty gross.

[MollyLolly21]

You actually raise a valid point. I hadn’t thought of that. I guess it helps filter the dating pool and removes trashy types from wasting women’s time. It gives them a little bit of confidence to display their full colours early on, and makes it much easier to reject and avoid.

[Mewzinc]

You basically described a good percentage of misogynistic men in your opinion as well.

[Soteris]

Oh, Andrew Tate is absolute human garbage, let me explain some of your confusion.

1: Andrew Tate is not looking at women and seeing them as a person, he is looking at them as tools and as trophies. He is looking for usefulness and "value" in women and he believes that women loses value if they have been with other men. I am not even convinced he is particularly sexually attracted to women in the first place but ill probably come to that point later.

2: Andrew Tate appears to be unable to feel empathy. Maybe he is a sociopath or something else, dont particularly care. Point is that he struggles to imagine how other people think and feels and often either believes everyone thinks and feels like he does, which is all kinds of fucked up, or that they are just a basic stereotype like your example of how women just uses their mans money and whatever. He just appears completely unable to actually relate to other people.

3: Andrew Tate is not religious. He is willing to make great changes in his life if he believes it benefits him which includes moving from a good country to a worse one because it allows him to escape legal consequences and because he believes he can use the corruption for his own benefit such as bribing police.

Same thing with Islam. He did not change to Islam because he believed in the religion, he did it because he believed it would benefit himself. He is the type of person that will use and abuse anything to further and protect himself.

4: Andrew Tate is therefore also only supporting traditional gender roles because he can use it for his own benefit. More specifically speaking, he wants to use the idea of a traditional housewife as an excuse to take control over her life.

I can't remember exactly but I know I heard a recording of Andrew Tate either talking about sex or women and saying you dont have it for pleasure and he said it in a way that really made it sound like he was not really sexually attracted to women in the first place. Which in my opinion, tracks well with the rest of his views of women as nothing more than something that enhances or gives value to their man.

For Andrew Tate, a relationship is all about him feeling powerful and important. Women are supposed to stand next to him and make him look better by being pretty. He does not care about them as a person, he does not care if they feel good during sex, he does not care about anything that does not go towards making him feel more powerful and important.

[myTake Owner]

I agree. I saw that video where he said he didn’t enjoy sex and that it felt like a chore. 😂

I am glad you actually brought up that point because I have relatives who follow everything he says and does because it provides them some sort of solace. Most of the men who like him are incel, men pushing forty who are desperately looking for wives but can’t find any because they want a doormat who doesn’t question anything bad they do and little boys under 20 who just keep getting rejected by girls they like and expect every woman to fall at their feet. The boys and men who seem to have everything together in life, with ptoper goals and plan they work towards don’t even seem to care for who this guy is.

I have some relatives who are obsessed with the idea of masculinity and I am starting to think they may be gay. The Kray brothers were also obsessed with masculinity and had a relationship with each other to hide their sexuality so they didn’t appear less macho. Ronnie Kray even married a young woman whom he abused physically, mentally and emotionally and had a relationship with another to hide that he was gay.

So I guess his supporters are either closeted gays and/or incels.

[Soteris]

I would not at all be surprised if it came out that Andrew Tate was in a secret relationship with his own brother or something stupid like that.

[MrOracle]

I agree with you that there are some inconsistencies, but a lot of that is due to the circumstances.

In places with reasonable marriage laws, Tate would be advocating that men MARRY those young, sexually inexperienced women and start families with them. He's generally an advocate of FAMILIES and having children.

Unfortunately, in many western countries, and especially in many US states, both divorce and family courts are HEAVILY skewed in favor of women, to the point that women tend to win by default, allowing women to effortlessly take both the man's assets AND his children, and in some states, HE even has to pay for HER lawyers to do this. The laws and systems are insane, and, for example, because the states take a percentage of judgements and payments, courts are both socially and financially incentivized to screw over the men in favor of the women.

Tate, despite being a big supporter of families, recognizes that the risks of marriage in these places is sky high. Meanwhile, this doesn't change the fact that he's absolutely right in that the highest quality wives/partners are those who got into the relationship young and built their life WITH their man TOGETHER.

This is a problem, because it means the BEST solution is still not a great solution: whether a man marries or doesn't, either way is less than ideal. If marriage-related laws and courts were REASONABLE, then marriage would be the obvious path, but today, in many places, marriage is actually punitive for men.

The reason that marriage and "traditional gender roles" were TRADITION is because thousands of years of civilization proved that system to be the best for society as a whole. And for the vast majority, this system was much more of a benefit than a liability. Of course there were a few exceptions - there will always be exceptions when talking about human beings - but MOST husbands AND wives benefitted significantly from marriage and traditional gender roles.

The big problem was that Radical Feminists sold women on the idea that they could have all the benefits that men enjoyed - withOUT any of the accompanying responsibilities - AND keep all the benefits of traditional gender roles too. And they did their best to attack and shame men into accepting this, but it didn't work. Instead, tons of men simply quit the game entirely and went home, preferring peace and loneliness over having a woman take everything from them, being abetted in this by the courts. And the result is that EVERYONE LOSES - men, women, children, AND society as a whole.

But men aren't allowed to talk about this, or, like Tate, they get slandered and canceled and even thrown in jail despite there not even being enough evidence to charge him with a crime - ANY crime. The elites don't WANT plebs having families. Families lead to power and support systems, and the riffraff can't be having any of that - it gets in the way of the elites being able to do whatever they like.

[chicosuave]

that sabanna gun is the bomb. he knows what he is talking about. modern women lost their femininity due the brain washing propaganda that everyone around her feeds her. just because she is financially independent doesn't mean she is tied to another man. thats bogus. Women back in the 1950s werent dependent on men but they were trained by there mothers to serve and care for their men. Today thats gone. Today moms train their kids that men are dangerous and worthless.

Even if women was dependent to their husband she had every right leave the guy and go back to her parents house or to someone else. this wasn't a life or death situation. How women used to describe it was completely untrue. thats just an excuse so they can blame the men who were violent against them. back in the days if she wanted she would leave him. craziest part is that women love toxic men and they can't leave men who are toxic because its a physiological thing. But they can leave the nice guy in a heart beat. Its always been like that. If her husband hit her then she had every right to just leave him and turn him in to the authorities. they didn't have a gun pointed at their head. women had rights to find a job and work. When women say they didn't have rights to anything that was completely false.

Today Women gained too much power in the dating market so thats why andrew tates supports that women are completely screwed in terms of the mentality they have. they will end up single for the rest of the their life's. thats ok we dont care. thats why andrew tates gives advice on guys to leave the country and find love somewhere else where women are more feminine and they still value men. with 76 percent of women initiating most divorce rates in American societies and in the western society, then it means their something completely wrong with the women in the western world. not the men. but they blame men for everything. and they dont look at themselves. This is not about abuse or who holds the most power in the political side. in eastern countries women are financially independent but they are trained to value their men. they are emotionally strong women they keep relationships in tacked and not destroy their families. they have a choice to leave but they refuse because they believe in relationships.

western women are worshipped for destroying their families. divorces on the high rise and single mothers by the large numbers leaving their children emotionally destroyed. women will never understand this and they never will. What andrew tate is doing is protecting his men from the so called independent strong women who in reality are destroying families and destroying mens lifes. To keep away from marriage because men have no power after getting divorced and getting destroyed by the government. Sad Sad

[Anonymous]

I think he's largely correct about what men are looking for in women, and the thing is... most people will do or say anything to justify their actions.

A lot of people that have a lot of sexual options, will simple take advantage of the situations that present themselves and feel like they're worth pursuing. Most people don't grow up abiding by strict morals, whether they grew up religious or not (something I've see in my life firsthand)... all the "good church-going kids" ended up being just like everyone else - the premarital sex, hooking up, all of that. It didn't end up meaning much... especially if they went to public schools.

They all got sucked into the culture and peer-pressure and served themselves when they could. Not judging them, but it is what it is. There are consequences to the decisions and actions you take. It is what it is. SO... NOW when someone comes out and simply states, "hey, men want this... men want that," and a bunch of women that are used to dealing with a bunch of simps that say whatever to get laid, and they believe the world is a certain way - UNTIL someone comes along and explains to them why their world view they believed for the last 10+ years is a lie and incorrect... YEAH people are going to be upset. Especially when they have all these past experiences that they can't take back. They will do anything to run from the truth, lie, slander... and the media is trying their best to protect these delusions and "take the edge off" and whatever.

But it's true... men do not and have never preferred to date a promiscuous woman. It's been made out to be "more acceptable" and go out and "be like men, you boss babes of the world - you GO gurl!" all that crap... that's been everywhere... but what is the motivation behind all of that? Do some digging... do some soul searching... UNDERSTAND that these corporate/mass media structures are in each other's pockets trying to rake in the most money possible and BENEFIT off of you, me, and the next man or woman, and get everyone spending tens/hundreds of thousands to be educated and slave away to repay loans and take on more loans to HOPEFULLY live a fulfilling life...

BUT... is it worth it? DO women REALLY want this life? As a man, who's been trying his best to just go my own way and work hard to get literally left-over table scraps my whole entire career so far... I don't know if it is... I'm looking for a way out, I'm looking for a girl that isn't misguided enough to be "ran-through" and has some sense that this world is not FOR us... and is actually interested in things like love and family and being a good mom, than to slave away in a dark, gray office her whole life. You know? We're all just numbers in THAT world... I'm interested in something MORE than that.

In his own, sometimes controversial, difficult to digest sort of way, I think Andrew Tate is trying to say that, and because of that, I give him the benefit of the doubt, and understand that ultimately, he's on all of our sides as HUMAN BEINGS, not as the misguided SLAVES to corporations and consumerism. Sure, we have to work and bring some sort of value to the world... but this increasingly invasive and overbearing corporate world we're living in, it's not it... I'm sick of it.

The truth hurts... it does. It's uncomfortable. No woman wants to hear how her past is going to come back to bite her when it comes to finding a mate as she ages into her 30's and beyond, but men like women that are pure. It's always been that way. People should've grown up knowing right from wrong, truth from lie, but people will do what they do at the end of the day... and men are just as much at fault for wanting to hook up with women, and gaming them for their own pleasure... It goes both ways. But I see truth and reality for what it is, I respect it, and I decide to move forward, knowing that the way we are living is not sustainable. I don't have all the answers, but something needs to change.

The family unit has been attacked and degraded for some time now. Single motherhood is not good, nor something to strive for. It is not a badge of honor. It leads to kids growing up with issues, and often leads to the perpetuation of all these same issues I'm talking about in the world, and the culture continues to decay. The very fabric of society. It should concern everyone, and everyone needs to do their part to DO the RIGHT THING and live your best life and help usher in a better generation than ours beforehand. It starts with YOU, ME, everyone here... DO your part. Live in the TRUTH.

[KlinkyCoder]

This isn't going to be specifically about Andrew Tate as a person, but my analysis:

• Modern feminism at least starting at the second wave, combined with the sexual revolution of the 1960s-70s and still going on in ways today, has changed the sexual and romantic balance in a profound way, some for the better but sometimes not so much for the better. It is one of the things that lead to marriage and sex being decoupled and therefore the family model.
• Even if we have "liberated" sex and marriage from each other (I'm also considering monogamous relationships lasting 1+ years to be marriage here), the gaps between men and women have widened and become advantageous to women while disadvantageous to men, especially in casual sex relationships where primal is for only a select amount of men at the top have sexual activity with half or more of the women, leaving a possibly large amount of "left out" men in the process.
• I agree with him that men should lean more towards "purer" virginal women, but where I differ is that there is difference between a woman that had been through 1-3 monogamous relationships lasting 1+ or more years and being promiscuous and having one-night stands. But I admit that most guys including me if we had the ability to sleep around with a lot of people, we will.
• Actions say more than words do, just because a people say one thing like they don't care about looks or money doesn't mean that's how they would react in a situation, in fact sometimes the reaction is total opposite of the words.
• The situation it actually boils down to with the feminist thing is that women have gained the benefits of men but not the responsibilities and men keep the responsibilities but sacrifice the benefits that came with it in the past. Even if a lot of people especially social progressives say society and morals are absolutely better today, there are certain studies and surveys that indicate that men and notably women are less happy in the current generation, and other mental health stats are worse today.
• The rise of the internet and especially online dating and hookup apps and social media, generally virtualization of society has only accelerated these issues and I think was the turning point that breeded the modern "incels" or involuntarily celibate, sexually frustrated men (women are alone stereotypically because they choose to reject those men of their own free agency).

[stepyo99]

My opinion is pretty similar to yours. Andrew Tate seems like he makes some good points, but he's also a hypocrite. I guess we'll see if he turns over a new leaf, but I doubt it. I think he's in it for the attention more than anything. I generally try to avoid "influencers" because even if their views align with mine, the motivation is usually from vanity.

The only point of yours I would disagree with is the second one about women being money chasers. That is absolutely true. While, yes, most women can't or won't chase millionaires, it's been shown time and time again that women refuse to date financially downward. If she's making $80k a year, she's not going to date a guy who's making $30k because among many other factors, women view a man's ability to make money as an indicator of his ability to be a husband.

So women in the workplace has not only caused issues like reduced wages for everybody, but also has created a generation of career women who are entering their 30s and 40s angry, depressed, and dissatisfied because they were lied to about what their priorities should be and what men value in a woman.

[myTake Owner]

Women wanting a man who earns more than her is to do with the fact that men are traditionally providers. People commend Tate for supposedly being an alpha but alphas want to provide and protect. He seems to advocate for that type of setting anyway. I was referring to his point of women chasing the ultra rich. Most women do not care for a very rich husband but every sensible woman wants a husband who will at least be stable and provide a decent standard of living for his children. That’s completely different to his point about women wanting designer items, expensive cars and their expensive holdiays financed. Most women would be happy if their husband can provide a home for their kids to grow up in and nice gifts on occasion - maybe birthdays, anniversaries and the birth of a child. Most women are very understanding and some women even want to help their husbands with the financial burden. If she wants to be a homemaker whilst he is the breadwinner then according to alpha mentality that is exactly what an alpha male wants and would be happy with.

[stepyo99]

"Women wanting a man who earns more than her is to do with the fact that men are traditionally providers."

It's hypergamy and it might have worked fine when women were sold to their husbands in exchange for a couple cows paid to her father. But you can see the issues that mentality has created thanks to feminism: if the average woman makes as much as the average man, her pursuit for more runs up against the reality of economics. There aren't enough men out there for every woman to marry up.

And men don't have an issue with being providers and protectors, when society was set up to benefit that arrangement. These days it just means you're a sucker. A successful marriage is a coin flip.
Many of the women who claim to be "traditional" too are liars and expose their feminist worldview when pressed. They love the idea of being a housewife, just so long as they have the option to vote, run for political office, own property, go to school, get no-fault divorces, abort their kids, start a business, etc. They want the "traditional lifestyle" with all of the benefits of modern feminism.
These so-called "traditional women" just want to be doted on. It's a different expression of their hypergamous nature. Cottagecore isn't going fix all of the damage feminism has caused though.

[myTake Owner]

Why do you think it is a problem for women to be able to vote?

I think most women don’t seem interested to get into politics tbf. The ones who do, I don’t know why…

If a woman was raped, do you think she should not abort a child who is a product of rape? Or if she already has three children and the family cannot provide for a fourth? Don’t you think it is better than birthing an unwanted child who may just grow up and contribute to more crime?

Why do you think it is not good for women to own property? Like what if a man has only one child who is a daughter so the property goes to the daughter when the man dies? Maybe my vision is distorted on such things as I was raised without a father but I think if a husband deserts his wife then her at least owning property makes it easier to raise children single-handedly. The question that arises in my mind in any situation is by default “what if I have to raise my children alone?” That is my conditioning due to my individual circumstances though. I probably put a lot of pressure on myself to get everything sorted on my own before having a child because of it.

Don’t you think women being educated is a positive change? They’re less likely to have too many children they can’t take care of and they’re less likely to abuse those children. Child abuse/neglect, the number of children women have and lack of education amongst mothers are distinctly correlated. You see all those unwanted children who were raised by mothers who left school by 16 go on to contribute to crime in our society.

[myTake Owner]

I used to be anti-abortion until I realised that women making the practical decision to abort a child they’ll end up damaging in sometimes irreparable ways is not really feminism, it’s just being sensible. If feminism means that a woman can make decisions that will be in her best interest, and will positively impact in the world then it can only be a positive thing. The world is so vastly overpopulated that we don’t need more unwanted children being born only to be abused (which is heartbreaking) and they’ll most likely grow up to cause trouble. You get the rare very resilient gems with strong will power - but that’s rare. They’re the exception to the rule.

I think there is so much feminism bashing that happens that people start questioning the things that are only for the betterment of society. I mean a traditional woman with a good husband is hardly going to want to abort her child. Generally it’s women who get pregnant out of wedlock, who were raped or who can’t afford a good standard of life for the kid. Still there are many who give birth but give those children up for adoption. The only person who suffers is that poor innocent child.

[stepyo99]

For the owning property and education issues that you brought up, I was bringing those up as examples of things that modern women would be all for, but in the traditional world didn't exist. I don't think a return to the past will fix what's wrong in the present either. There are good and bad things about the modern world.

You make a good point about reasons for women owning property and I agree that women should be educated, but in separate schools (boys and girls learn differently).

As for abortion, I disagree that killing a baby saves them from anything. It's a very nihilistic world view. It's like saying the way to end suffering is just to kill everyone. You wouldn't seriously suggest killing an adult who suffers from abuse or is a petty criminal, so why make that argument for a kid just because the potential exists?

[ManOnFire]

Tate has said some things here and there that I've agreed with myself. I'm not all in for him though, and not a fan of his Hustler's school or whatever he calls it. I think the whole Romania thing is a travesty. The Romanian police decided they were going to take down Tate and his brother for gun possession, rape, and sex trafficking, yet they have never conducted such a big sting on the Romanian mob that controls Bucharest, the capital, or done a sting on any other major Romanian crime lords or syndicates.

So they picked the Tates because they were easy targets. Icons who were already on social media and well known. The Romanian police probably figured it would give them good press or publicity for doing something noble, that they haven't done with any other criminals in their country. Because even to this point they still haven't been able to provide any evidence of the Tates trafficking or raping anyone. I'm no fan of the boys, but I'm also no fan of political bullshit either.

[lightbulb27]

I've watched enough of him to stop watching. Everyone is trying to figure things out, he has his views and it doesn't mean that anyone is consistent in their thinking.

take the issue of "inexperienced girls". That is historically true and there's something to be said for purity... for girls can get emotionally screwed up (so can guys, but true). I've seen this, depends on the girl of course. The more they go messing around, the more screwed up they can be.. and who wants to take that on. add to it all the other issues. So yea, historically, you want a pure woman. But there's something to be said for experience..."knowing thyself", being mature. That's worth a lot. He may not know or understand that... yet. If he stays with 19yr olds forever, he's in for some real headaches

So take everything with a "grain of salt" and establish your own views, as you have.

The real problem is you look up to this guy, as do others... by virtue of you pay attention to him enough to ask a question, which is what he wants and how he makes $ by creating a market. He's an "alpha"... haha, maybe, probably. If you don't like what you hear from him, turn him off and turn on someone else.

He is smart, decent communicator, probably a player, and probably unethical and ungrounded. Muslim... interesting... no shock he'd avoid Christ, he doesn't fit in that mold as his ego is too big. Muslim will work well, he can move to UAE, buy some 9 year old trafficked humans from Europe... I'd bet there's a bunch coming out of eastern Europe now, and can have all the child brides he wants... it's all written and supported in law.

That's disgusting, but that's probably true... and for many unfortunate souls. don't believe me... hop on a plane and go to Dubai... actually no... don't do that... may not get out.

[DextroShade]

Top G does good work and he could be credited for taking the Red Pill mainstream. Regarding your points:

1. He advocates for girls who are virgins or low body count for serious relationships while hoes are recreational use only. A virgin can still go on dates, the girls who are virgins and don't date are either waiting for an arranged marriage or have something wrong with them.

2. When a girl has pictures posted of her on yachts, in supercars, or at exotic destinations it is obvious a guy is paying for it or owns the yacht or car. When a rich guy flies a girl out or invites her on his yacht it is 100% for the purpose of sex, not because the millionaire wants to hear about the life experiences of a 20 something girl. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

3. With regards to Islam, a lot of manosphere guys like it because it is the religion that has most successfully resisted the evils of feminism unlike Christianity which capitulated to the point where there are now baby mommas in the front of the congregation on Sunday in most churches and preachers attempting to shame men into accepting them. As for Tate's past, a man's past doesn't really matter to a woman unless he sucked dick or diddled kids even though a woman's past does matter to men because we are not the same.

4. If a woman is too insecure to be a housewife that is her problem, not the man's and if he wants a housewife he is free to look elsewhere just as she is free to die alone. The only people who try to make homemakers feel worthless and lazy are the toxic feminists.

[Redkitty_21]

I’m gonna give you my honest opinion on Andrew Tate I listen to him because I agree and I have the same world views that he does I don’t tend to listen to him when he talks about relationships because he is a man that he likes to sleep around with a lot of women. He tends to say things about relationships that can seem submissive and dominant kind of relationship at the same time then he changes it and he says something else he says that he respects women because he thinks that they’re the most precious things in the world but at the same time he throws the word bitch and hoe around a lot he says that if he’s in a marriage and he’s paying for everything because he doesn’t want a woman that works he wants to be the provider then she hast to allow him to cheat because it’s OK because he’s paying for everything.
I have nothing against the Islam religion but that Bible is written by man to accommodate sinful needs. I just listened to worldviews, how to make money, political stuff that sort of thing because this is a man that I don’t know if he’s single or not, I know that he and Tristan have a daughter but he has not been successful in a relationship at least that’s what it looks like and I think that marrying someone like that would be very very painful unless you’re incredibly dumb.
I like Andrew and Tristan but I don’t think they’re I like Andrew and Tristan but I don’t think they’re the correct person to be giving advice on relationships because we have people in this world and age that do not respect, that do not value and we don’t need to add more to that we don’t need to be reassuring others that that is OK.

[chris_987]

Most women think Andrew Tate is the most evil man in the world. They are the same women don't even know who the leader of North Korea is

[Redkitty_21]

I know. All he does is Help men achieve and find their best self. It’s unfair because you can see the injustice how he and Tristan are under attack because they want to see a better world and help create that and the government just wants them asleep, confused, and lost.

[chris_987]

I think because guys only see what they want to see, so they end up focusing on stuff that doesn't even matter. If Andrew Tate is teach young men to become better version of themselves, and Kim Kardashian is teaching them how to become a better whore. How come they only care what Andrew Tate says.

[Redkitty_21]

Because he’s the only one that’s telling the truth and hitting nerves. That’s something to think about, people who tell the truth about the government gets hit because they’re striking nerves against them while they are trying to prove them wrong And show the public that is a lie but they’re letting the public know that it’s true because they are trying to silence someone that is telling the truth against them. Someone like him Kardashian or any of those other plastic people very relevant they’re part of that they’re basically a front that’s the whole point Kim Kardashian focuses on nothing girls waste their time trying to look like them because that’s what the media wants them to look like but they’re women though they truly don’t take care of themselves because they resolve everything with spending money too look good. I don’t follow any of them but they don’t really teach anybody how to become a better whore ( I don’t like that word) they’re just people that should not be listened to or paid any attention to.

[chris_987]

So how Come guys like hearing the truth but a lot of women don't. Because if there was a female version of Andrew Tate she get canceled. If there was a girl going around telling women they can't be fat or they should learn how to cook where their family women would be angry at her. But no guy is angry at Andrew Tate when he tells them he needs to change his life so he can have better outcomes.

[myTake Owner]

@chris_987 because unlike the whores you know, most of us girls from orthodox communities don’t care for the Kardashians or follow them.

[Redkitty_21]

Actually there is a female she’s not like Andrew Tate but there is a female that is like that I don’t know her name but I’ve seen her and she is hated by a lot of women unfortunately I think she’s great but she’s not liked by many.

[myTake Owner]

That ugly Pearl. She’s a ran through whore who is not yet 30 but looks 45 with her loose skin and loose body but likes to talk about youth, femininity and purity.

[Redkitty_21]

@Sarahr123 no it’s not Pearl it’s another girl, she’s young she’s like 25, 26 but it’s not her I know who Pearl is, like Tate I have my opinions so am I agree so I don’t but it’s not her. I just don’t know who she is and I don’t know her name😅

[chris_987]

Well you can murder the Jews, commit mass homicide and genocide against another race. But women won't care who you are unless you tell them to act like a lady. I swear you don't have this much hate for the Taliban in Isis

[Redkitty_21]

Sir where are you getting at, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense. If you don’t have anything relevant to say and on point with this post just don’t comment on the post again.

[chris_987]

I was saying that Andrew take and pearly things to women is basically like Hitler and all other communist rulers. They equate people telling women they should do better so that they can get better results to people that commit mass genocide. That was my point

Cuz if you ask that girl who doesn't like just pearly things to name one evil dictator I doubt she can

[myTake Owner]

@chris_987 You are just talking rubbish at the moment. People with common sense don’t like Pearl because she can sit half naked in front of men and flirt with them but preaches about innocence, youth, femininity when she looks like a middle aged man. If men want good girls then they should be good men themselves and stop going for hoes. Simple. No need to complain about nonsense. What relevance does this have to genocides and evil dictators? It has zero relevance.

[chris_987]

You completely miss my point. I was saying that you don't even know who the real bad people are. You think a girl telling other women not to be hoes is the worst thing in the world. If there was a female version of Andrew Tate, do you think men would care? No, because it's all just words. At the end of the day we're not going to get triggered by words.

[myTake Owner]

@chris_987 well most girls aren’t hoes. I am not one so I don’t care what she says. She doesn’t even have the decency to dress modestly and she thinks she can tell a world full of good girls? If she has a problem with hoes tell her to go and preach at night clubs and hookah lounges.

[chris_987]

Imagine having this much hate towards the first girl ever in history to tell women you guys you are wrong. Now I see why nobody in the female community ever improves. Look how much hate you have towards the first girl ever to step out of a line lol

[myTake Owner]

@chris_987 you are just gaslighting people here. Don’t talk nonsense. If you know hoes it doesn’t apply to me because I am not one. I don’t care what others do. I care about myself and my family. If my daughter dressed like pearl she’d get a beating with a belt from her dad.

[chris_987]

What do you dress like?

[myTake Owner]

@chris_987 covered in dark clothes (black) from head to toe. So I don’t appreciate idiots lecturing me.

[chris_987]

Just because your Muslim doesn't means you can't be a hoe. If you lift up that black burka then you probably start hoeing it up for a roadman

[moonlightwolf]

As a girl in Romania I can only say that the fact that he was released by the authorities does not prove his innocence. There are many unfortunate cases of girls in Romania that could not prove their case in court, even if DIICOT was on their side. The court is mostly corrupt and the police officers even if they want to help do not have the legal means to do so. For me his arrest by DIICOT is enough as I know personally girls in similar positions an their stories and the legal procedures stopped in the same place. For me the similarities are too much with other cases here to believe he's innocent. Most likely he's morally guilty, but knows the laws enough to avoid direct penalties. Same with his speech. Just reminds me of a wolf in sheep clothing, a somewhat predatory guy with huge charisma that attracts different traumatized people. The thief who cries thief. I mostly judge a person: Does his actions match his words? Does he show any empathy in his videos talking about women? Or is he plain brutally cold many times? Some things might have sense, and I might agree, but I can not listen to somebody who so disregards other human beings.

[Lynx122]

My opinion is he's just another grifter taking advantage of young men who are having a tough time figuring out their life. There were so many before him and there will be so many after him I don't know why he's the one that he media is focusing on so much they're just making him more famous. In the past they'd just talk young men into dying in some war. Now they sell useless courses and tell them everything was better in the past and make them conservatives or something. I haven't followed what he's saying because I already heard people before him and I'm over it so I don't now the details of his message.

[RolandCuthbert]

Another "influencer". Our society is sinking because instead of becoming something of value like an engineer, physicist, data scientist, etc. folks are choosing to become an influencer. It is sick and it is sucking the life out of this nation.

[myTake Owner]

Agreed. Let’s blame Mark Zuckerberg and Kevin Systrom for creating FaceBook and Instagram.

[BobLouis]

Yes the idolization of a person online has gone out of control. People are flawed so idolizing a random guy is going to cause some serious problems if the fan base takes their works as if they are absolute.

[myTake Owner]

@BobLouis glad there are people who think like this.

[Adam1978]

He isn't a good man. But he is right in what men wants, ie purity, commitment and youth/fertility when it comes to women. But those women should not pick a guy like him. He is a player and she will lose her value with him and soon be discarded. Going around thinking money giving you right to completely ignore other people feelings and needs and just going for what he wants is what makes him a bad person.

[myTake Owner]

I agree with your answer. No self-respecting good young woman should ever choose a man like him. He will use and discard her and her life will be ruined.

[bingbongbangbung]

yeah he's clearly not a real Muslim and doesn't even try to hide the fact that he continues his haram lifestyle of drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, and committing zina (along with crimes like money laundering and human trafficking)

[sheenagwapa]

imagine you reach 95 years old? hello would people care if you fuck this and that and think about your sexuql life in the past? nobody rigjt? so screw men who look down on women with colorful sexual life. imy sexual life is not colorful but my main reason is my faith and my belief. God died for pur sins and you are brand new with Christ so please leave it to God because He is real and He exist.

[myTake Owner]

Good point

[chris_987]

But even Jesus told the prostitute not to sin anymore, so god actually looks down on sin.

[marish01]

@chris_987 shh don't say that to sluts. They don't like that part of the bible

[chris_987]

What Bible part

[marish01]

@chris_987 the part Jesus tells the prostitute to leave her life of sin

[chris_987]

What happened in that story?

[SoIcyGang]

I saw him slap his girl on the ass one time (by her request) and he did it like a bitch and she gave him that look that women give to men who have yet to unlock their freaky side. Like a "aww he's still growing" look.

Ever since then I can't help but believe that Tate is another fake it till you make it.

And I mean he might admit that. He admits that he was blue pill and all that growing up and he had to learn harsh lessons about women and blah blah blah.

It's just funny to me that he portrays his alpha shit but he can't even give his girls ass a proper slap.

[myTake Owner]

He can never be an alpha. Alphas don’t complain. Alphas don’t need to show the world whom they’re fucking and alphas don’t post their women online unless he just uses all those girls he bangs online. I mean the fact that he says he wants a very traditional and mosest wife but the kind of women he hangs around and bangs are nowhere near even decent.

[SoIcyGang]

Yep him and all the rest of the "red pill" men going to third world countries to find a "submissive wife."

In my mind they're all betas. But hey, in their mind anyone who disagrees with them is beta so yea... lol.

[CurrentJohn]

Andrew Tate is not a good guy but I understand why he has success. It`s like Newtons third law. Because there are so many women and the media that nowadays hate on men and masculinity, young men when seeing the opposite extreme feel more drawn to it. It is the same with left and right wing people. If you have an increase in left wing people, the amount of people that were currently more in the political middle but don`t have the same opinion like the far left wing people, suddenly feel drawn closer to the right wing. That is just human nature.

[knallpilz]

I think being confusing is king of his marketing style. There is content of his out there for any kind of person to have any kind of reaction. There is no person in the world, for whom there is not at least one Andrew Tate clip to have no reaction to that will lead to some sort of further engagement. He's pretty clever. Like you'd expect a decent chess player to be.

Not knowing what he's actually about is just another way to garner interest towards his persona.

In the end it's all about getting as much attention as possible to increase the number of people he can sell bullshit programs to.

[inhua]

Ben Shapiro has the best analysis on him. Andrew Tate isn't wrong on his assertions and pointing out the flaws in the gynocentric social order of the west. his solutions are hit and miss mainly to mathematics and some unrealistic expectations though at least he has solutions whereas most people are still stuck on the dialogue stage

yes it'll be best if all the men in the world are or can potentially be 6'3 handsome multi-millionaires but it's impossible for a 5'3 Indian janitor to become that or a 5'6 Chinese rice farmer or a boy born in war-torn Congo to become the same. it's not just one or a few men but millions of men out there to consider

other than that, he has the correct mindset that most men would need to survive and eventually thrive to the best of their ability and his haters will twist his message into their own perceived toxicity