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Who is mostly at fault for the objectification of women? (Page 2)
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If "objectification" is even a problem to begin with, it's the fault of both genders.
A lot of women like being objectified. The thing is, these kinds of women only like being objectified by men that they are attracted to.
History. In the ancient past men were always seen as the more dominant gender, and tradition carried on.
You have a point I think
Women are desired , men are NOT desired , so many women take full advantage of this , can't really blame them. Mainly the toxic BS " media " trying to fill everyone's heads with crap !!
40-50 years ago it was more of the man's fault. However nowadays I see women constantly competing against each other, watching stupid fashion TV shows and posting vain selfies on social media.
Feminists always try to throw men under bus for the objectification of a woman's body and misogyny in general. While it's true men are partially to blame I honestly see women treating each other like shit and nobody saying anything about it.
Yeah I agree. Ignore the "all men are pigs" bunch
Both women and media, along with a combination of both.
Media also shows me lots of murder in news and movies. I don't start going on a killing spree because of that. 'duh
So yes, it is mostly women themselves.
Media doesn't show the dead mutilated bodies though... haha...
I think the Media for making statements that blame one or another.
You complain much? No one is forcing women to wear what they wear, act like they act, share what they share and seduce like they do. Though in some cultures they do. In the US, That's your own doing.
Not necessarily true. There are lots of sex rings and abuse going on in the porn industry.
Also in gangs and corrupted organizations
@CrystalChild
"There are lots of sex rings and abuse going on in the porn industry. "
That must be why it is the only job in the world where men and women who do the same job have women making 10x what the men make.
@WalterRadio holy hell you've got to be kidding me. 🙃
@CrystalChild
I am not kidding. Unknown men typically get $100 for a vanilla scene and unknown women will get $800 to $1,000. For DP scenes, the women make more than 10x what the men make.
The top performers don't follow the pay guidelines, but for the majority of performers, the pay scale is rather fixed based on what kind of scene it is.
@WalterRadio, so about how much did the women make in the film "two girls and one cup"? Just curious 😶
Men are objectified too. Women aren't the only ones in spandex in comic books >.>
Men are actually objectified for everything. Its just that its more easily perceived that women are objectified more because its only there beauty and body thats objectified
Exactly.
Again. I don't see little 10 year old boys hitting the gym to develop muscles. Meanwhile there are whole rehab centres for kids with anorexia and billions. And guess what? Most, if not all of the patients are female kids. So tell me which is. more severe and serious here?
women tend to have a bit of a more fragile self esteem.. and men are a little lethargic compared to women. and complacent. But a lot of men end up anorexic too... the majority is there for women but it isn't vast.
Well plenty of men go through steroid abuse so they can look like a super model and just to please the female.
Sex is irrelevant. We all suffer at the hands of judgement, and until we cast off petty arguments like this and focus, it'll never change.
Females by nature are greedy, self entitled, bitchy whores.
A women's body is objectified and everyone loses their minds. A mans objectified for everything and no one bats an eye.
This is why feminism is seen as self entitlement. Feminism is a women's option, tool and strategy for their sexual failures and to keep up with men.
@Mrwoo99 oookay. Another misogynist blocked. Bye.
Women themself they accept to do it either for money either for atention so media spreds more that virus which makes a real problem to men and women too
No one is to blame really. It's up to the individual now to decide what their stance is on women's rights.
Sorry - I forgot it was only about objectification.
I would say men, but is it even a bad thing? Being "objectified" does not make anyone less respected-- only by those by those who bitch objectification.
I'm just thinking about its effects on the young kids
Not who, but what. The answer: Double standards.
Wanted attention is deemed success while unwanted attention is dubbed "objectification". You want attention, so be prepared for all kinds of attention.
I'm going with The Patriarchy on this one.
My condolences. Every time you blame the patriarchy for something, a downvote storm is guaranteed.
The Patriarchy also is responsible for hurricane Katrina and secretly controls women by taxing maxipads and tampons as luxury items. Next the Patriarchy will be expecting women to take responsibility and control by having them pay for their own birth control and abortions. (Evil laugh).
See? Told ya. Lol I'm on your side though
I think it's super funny how many people get pissed off just hearing certain words. Like they can get as angry as they want but I'm still right. It even makes me look more right that they have such crazy reactions because then you KNOW you're on to something that makes people uncomfortable :)
Ty for your support though!
@MoniqueChocolate22 Honey we all know you're a boy pretending to be a girl on the internet. We get that life is challenging for you. Go sit off in the corner and take a rest while the real people talk okay?
You just like assuming don't you? What proof do you have that I'm a boy? SJWs love to assume things. Aren't you white either way? I've seen you mention that you are white somewhere else
@MoniqueChocolate22 There there now. I know life is hard for you when you feel the inexplicable need to lie on the internet.
No evidence then, just assumption. Nice, spoken like a true SJW white girl
BellePepper, your not really right just because you've said something, you gave your opinion.
@MoniqueChocolate22 There there bro. You'll get over whatever makes you want to pretend to be a girl on the internet some day. I believe in you :)
@ObedientMalee Lol no everyone flailing themselves around p much scream OMFG she's RIGHT so I super appreciate it :)
Your not even making sense
@ObedientMalee Lol sorry for the advances concept use?
Wow 2 saucers of milk needed here lol
No you just didn't form a proper sentence.
@ObedientMalee sorry my school no teach me 2 right reel good
@Iraqveteran666 I'm not talking to you.
@ObedientMalee I see a subject and a verb so other than autocorrect sabotaging me I'm good.
You're literally dragging this conversation.
@ObedientMalee Awesome!
lets be honest these girls are stupid and don't understand whats going on
on top of that the parents are also stupid or evil and allow girls to do these things cause there idiots
I MOSTLY BLAME THE PARENTS
BUT STUPID COPIES STUPID
Objectification doesn't exist. Women naturally want to flaunt their sexuality to attract men. It's only a problem when men notice.
"Objectification" is a fabricated idea that comes from some privileged, upper middle class white women who live so comfortably that they're looking for something to complain about. Same with stuff like "cat calling" and "man spreading". They've lived so comfortably for so long that it's driving them insane.
Ignorant blind dick.
Sorry ladies, but he's not wrong. When you trade sex for anything, including a label like "girlfriend", you're engaging in prostitution by trading a good for a service. At that point, you are marketing your body as an item that can be bought and sold, ergo, an object.
Media and women. Women because they follow the media. But if women dont follow the media. Men will just have to deal with what they get/have. Men just need a women in there lives. And women seem to make it harder... also women are almost naked bow days. Like c'mon
women cuz they let it happen to themselves
no-one can do anything to you unless you let them
you control whatever happens to you
Women for encouraging media, media for doing it.
Men? Oh pft. The only influence we have is whether or not we give you attention. Granted that is a powerful tool in itself but hardly enough to call it our fault.
Well guys get to compare themselves to male models and celebrities who are 6ft tall, muscular, and have perfect hair and jawlines.
First world problem compared to what women go through. Little kids have long since start having eating disorders due to trying to fit in the beauty standards. I don't see little boys struggling to be muscular at all...
Well maybe we don't react to it as much, but I think we are both exposed to unrealistic images and expectations for our gender.
Again. I don't see little boys at age 4 hitting the gym... Or doing sit ups cause they want abs... I had hated my looks since I was 4. See how this is not equal at all?
I wasn't denying that women react to it/ are affected by it more, I was just saying we both are compared to unrealistic images/standards. Men just don't express it as much as women. And a lot of these standards, like the whole "thigh gap" trend is created by women. I have never met a man who actually cared about whether or not a girl had a thigh gap.
Even if women do feel more insecure, at least you get more validation and sympathy for your insecurities. If a guy wants to complain or sympathy for his insecurities he is essentially told to stop "whining because women have it worse".
Even if you are only average looking you will still get complements from men who reasure you that you are desirable, meanwhile the average man is rarely to never complemented by women. You also get validated by being able to have sex with men who are more attractive than you are.
Men face some sexualisation too, but come on but it's nowhere near the same extend that women do.
You see half naked men mostly in perfume and underwear commercials for men. which I suppose is kinda reasonable because what they're selling is essentially "if you buy our underwear you will look Christiano Ronaldo and all those models will want to fuck you"
You'll rarely see it for "general items". For women it's literally everything. Women's bodies are used to sell EVERYTHING
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@nalaa
Well it does happen occasionally…
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but, yeah women are sexualized more in advertisements than men are. I never said otherwise.
Well maybe we don't react to it as much, but I think we are both exposed to unrealistic images and expectations for our gender.
That comment implied that you think the exposure is about the same just the reaction is different. Which is ridiculous I think
@nalaa
I think the extent of sexualization is similar between ads. Like when you compare an add that sexualizes men to one that sexualizes women, they both create unrealistic standards by including photoshoped models who represent societies definition of “perfection” that the average person can never meet, and they both have the model using their sex appeal to draw in attention.
The frequency of exposure is different though. The number of advertisements that sexualize women is greater than the number of advertisements that sexualize men.
I would agree with that
@nalaa
Yay, finally you agree with me on something! :)
I think it's largely men in power such as Trump or other politicians, as well as media pertaining to men's primitive desires such as women, as well as the pressure social media puts on women to be beautiful, which can cause depression as well.
if you display yourself for objectification and say don't objectify me then it's your fault and not the men's fault.
Good point. If I hung my testicles outside my trousers it would be stupid of me to get upset at folks staring.
Ultamitly women buy the magazines and support the fashion industry.
You can join the madness or walk away from it. It's women's choice.
I walk away from those mags. But yet the impact of the billboards and tv shows and all those stuff that are literally everywhere still affects me heavily. I have never felt confident my entire life. Not even as a 4 year old child. At that age I remember already hating my facial features and everything on myself
Everyone is mostly at fault. Men objectify women, women objectify women, and the media objectifies women...
BUT, women allow themselves to be objectified which enables the media/men to objectify them. So, they are ultimately at fault.
Do u feel like it becomes worse? Because I tho it's getting better. In the past women were a lot more suppressed by men. Just watch some old movies. They even considered it "normal"
Women take pictures that objectify themselves. I've never seen a guy post a picture of himself with his dick hanging out
That's cause they know that society wants to see it. Society is the pushing factor.
Evolution is mostly at fault. I have primal urges to protect woman and get them pregnant with kids. How my brain works.
Probably Western Civilization as a whole. If someone wants to objectify themselves fine as long as their not doing it because they feel as though their other qualities aren't taken seriously.
I don't think anyone is to blame. I know that everyone is to blame
I don't know if there is someone's fault or if it would help finding whose fault is...🙁
Women objectify themselves because they know what men like.
A better question would be: "Who is at fault for objectification".
Men are as much objectified as women.
The answer being the media, of course.
What a surprise that this opinion got down voted by girls.
We live in a victim-complex society right now. It's pathetic.
All women hate each other... Mostly I would say women and other women... are the main causes... They way they dress. etc.. they try to be attention whores.
I would say all of the above. Anyone who objectifies women is at fault, man or woman. I do feel that the media plays the largest role though.
I think its women, since they hold sex over men all the time!
It's a the woman of the 20s before the Great Depression in the US
You're not serious
Do you even take history?
Yeah do you?
No I just guessed, ofcoarse I do 😘
Do your point being?
That was when woman started dressing in short dresses and used their sexuality as an advantage and that's where woman's power came in
You're from South Africa how would you know?
Because I studied it dummy, we are aware of the world, we don't live in the bush 😂
Jason you know I'm not like that! Sorry I forgot that you did
Yeah 😂😳
Lol why that face hahahahha
Western society caused this problem when it decided to ignore religious norms and claimed that there is no God.
Human Nature... A desire to reproduce... So both men and women.
Why do we have to lay blame instead of fixing the situation?
Because we haven't got two sense between us haha
It's because we want to find the root cause so badly that we resort to turning a blind eye to attempting to do anything more about it until we know beyond a shadow of a doubt though in many instances that hinders progress because instead of moving past it we are consumed with rage until it flares up again causing the same spiral to arise
Because there is no "solution", we are just trying to determine the cause.
Because lazy people want special treatment. If they can blame someone else, it's the responsibility of that someone else to fix it.
Women objectify men as well. What goes around comes around. We are all horny.
it's mend fault the own everything media so on. and I'm a man. because of evil men women don't give me chance
Women volunteer to be objectified. So they are objectifying themselves. Nobody puts a gun to their head and forces them to.
Men are attracted to women and vice versa. You cannot change the laws of nature.
Men are merely reflective of what women offer up.
If so many women did not dress and act like sluts, then men wouldn't expect them to dress and act like sluts.
All it takes is 1 kim k to flaunt her huge behind, and too many men drool at that ridiculous posterior. Then, regular women, 1000000 of them, all Started to think that that's what they need to get male attention.
the simple answer would be men started it, women turned it into a good thing, it makes them feel empowered to put on little clothing and lots of makeup. I say let em own it.
And now little girls are suffering and hating themselves because of how they look. Goodbye childhood.
it's a shame when people have to compare themselves to others and care what others think of them
women could stop it but there's too many that are brainwashed into thinking they have to do their makeup and look pretty just to go outside. I personally am disgusted by high maintenance women that take 2+ hours to get ready, makeup, hair, dress. people say men generally do better in life because of sexism, I believe it's because women are too wrapped up in their self image and spend too much time wondering how the world sees them rather than the much more important question; how they can change the world.
It is all social conditioning. Cinderella dresses up before going to the ball. And what was the result of it? The prince fell in love with her. A shit ton of similar stories of the ugly duckling being transformed into a swan, and then some guy falls head over heels for her. Does anyone care how her personality is? Nooooo, focus is solely on her changed looks. No wonder little girls learn slowly but surely that looks are the only thing that matters
1975, Lustful Bo the first ever PornStar. I do believe her name was Lustful Bo you may want to double check that.
Women objectify themselves and other women. What will it take for women to begin taking some ownership for their own behavior?
Good point
It's people like Donald Trump who openly brag about how they treat women plus it's beauty pageants like the Trump owned Miss Universe pageant.
You've never dated a woman who competed in a beauty pageant, have you?
I have, and one of my good high school friends won one of our state and became a professional catalog model and minor actress, and an acquaintance from the next high school over won her state and became a famous, highly successful actress. Nowhere else is there such an opportunity for someone who has no connections to break into professional modeling, acting, and reporting.
Who runs the media exactly..
Men are objectified as much as women equally. However, because of media women are slightly objectified more.
Well, guys make the calling and women always answer soooo...
girls are catering to the wrong men. shows how smart they are as a community...
then those men raise kids to judge women, and raise more boys just like those men...
FEED THE GENDER BIAS WOMEN! BUILD AN OPPRESSIVE COMMUNITY FOR YOURSELVES... DO IT...
Both the television and the woman. Only boys objectify, woman.
Both are responsible as the other accepts it. Sometimes it helps in attracting or keeping that spark alive...
I'd say it's both men and women's fault.
Needs an ''all of the above'' option.
Ha good point. Didn't even think of it
women looking at other women on magazines... men don't really care... we'll smash anyway
It started with men and the media perpetuates it.
The media is a man-made thing so... yeah.
Haha good point
and the biggest consumer are women
@Spelling95 That doesn't change who created it in the first place.
The only reason the media does it, is because people (including women) buy into it. Plenty of media outlets are run by women.
@Kirah Sometimes things like this aren't a conscious choice that we make, men and women. So I'm not blaming the consumers here.
No it doesn't change who creates the media (though I'm not saying it's all made by men), but it isn't objectification if the people you think are being objectified are okay with how their gender is being portrayed. Don't tell people how to be insulted. They like what they see.
@Spelling95 yeah the models don't mind maybe... Cause they get the money. But then again, do they really Not mind? Maybe they do, but they do what is demanded of them cause otherwise they would lose their jobs
Yeah, it's called a job. If they don't like it they can find another. I'm not too worried about models getting paid a decent amount not liking their job, there's plenty of people that don't like their job
@Spelling95 Are you trying to say that most women enjoy being objectified?
No, I'm saying it appears women do not feel objectified. They are the biggest consumer if magazines talking about women. They enjoy the stuff. Why try and take it from them?
@Spelling95 because the effects spread way wider and are hurting the younger generations who are still very impressionable. When we have rehab for eating disorders for prepubescent children, that's when we know it has become a problem.
Usually men are at fault
XD the blue downvotes
Yep. Welcome to the reality of gag. Don't let it affect you though.
Everyone who does it shares equal blame.