During the Cold War, Japan was politically anti communist and was sided with the West. However, there were several groups within Japan that didn’t want any Western political influence. Some individuals wanted a completely independent Japan, while other individuals wanted closer ties with the communists, specifically with China. One specific individual known as Inejiro Asanuma was the leader of the Japanese Socialist party, which sympathized with communism. On October 12 1960, He was publically assasinated on live TV. The person who assasinated him was a 17 year old boy named Otoya Yamaguchi who was a Japanese nationalist. Otoya used a Yoroi-dōshi (traditional Japanese armor piercing blade) to stab the communist politician right in the abdomen during a speech. Sadly the 17 year old boy committed suicide afterwards. The assasination video can be found all over YouTube but it’s too disturbing to be shown here. A lot of people credit the Assasin with saving Japan from communism, while others believe Communism never stood a chance in Japan due to how nationalistic Japan is.
Yes, he saved Japan from Communism
Communism wouldn’t have succeeded in Japan regardless of the fate of that communist politician
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Murder/assasinations are never justifiable, don’t misinterpret this as some kind of advocacy for political assasination because it’s not. I’m not saying the politician deserved what he got, I’m simply asking a non biased question. This is also strictly for educational purposes.
Wait, did you really just say that you never claimed 'they' created communism? Because you clearly said "... the founders of communism (lennon and stallin..." The OP already talked about d'hupay, why are you bringing it up and saying basically the exact same thing and throwing it in our faces like we didn't know about it? Did you even read her post? It sure doesn't look like it because you claim we are uneducated but in reality you are just making yourself look the fool. With your racist tendecies and amazing ability to forget what you wrote two messages ago and swear that you never said something when clearly as the text can't be erased and shows that you did indeed say whatever was in question reminds me of a certain dotard.
What are you even taking about, you are clearly off topic. For your information, I’m not a racist, quit throwing around the race card for little things.
In 1950, the general council of trade unions of Japan, affiliated with the JSP, was formed, soon taking a leftist position against the United Nations's military interference in the Korean War. 1:They were in a leading position in the labor movement. since 1955 a"spring labor offensive"designed for the collective bargaining of wages has been effective in increasing wages every year. however, in general the people have not supported a general walkout of public transportation workers and have become somewhat critical of labor movements. 2:especially Asanuma, JSP protest against the Japan-U. S. security treaty. i mean he is extreme leftist. At any rate, I think it's a case that reflects social conditions.
Most japanese will tell you this is nonsense. There is no way in hell that Japan was going to "side" with China or Russia both of which were plotting after Japanese territory and China would just as soon have burned japan into a glass sheet. While, yay for assassinating the communist. THey weren't a long term threat.
Japan is Japan. There are always a few on the fringe. A saying in japan... the nail that stands up gets hammered. He got hammered because he didn't fall in line with the way Japan had decided. It was only a matter of time. The only way Japan would have become communist is if China had taken it over and that was never gonna happen.
The war would have ended sooner with the death of the emperor and non3 of that refusing to apologize for war crimes such as cannibalism and human experimentation
@Waffles731 The emperor couldn’t be tried because he didn’t have real power, clearing him of wrongdoing. It was the military leadership that had all the power, during those days. In fact there was a failed coup prior to WWII that attempted to restore power to the emperor but all it did was bring fascism to imperial Japan.
We killed how many people, I think it was a navy admiral who said that if there is eve such a thing as a humane weapon which I dont think there is, no matter how you cut it they are designed to kill people you should chose the one that ends the war quickest and with the least casualties on your side, so what if after destroying rhe japanese air force, we turned Kyoto and Tokyo into glass instead of losing how am y people on Okinawa and other plaves
And its pretty clear from documents that he encouraged some of the nastier stuff that Japan did and the people of Japan believed he was a literal god and killing him and the rest of Tokyo would basically destory their morale
@Waffles731 That would have made us look like the Nazis. WWII was a war of morals, Surely, we had the technological and industrial advantage over Japan and we could have bombed Tokyo but we didn’t want to stoop down to such a low level to the point were the world would view America in the same way they viewed the third Reich.
@Waffles731 What most people don’t know is that we didn’t hate the Japanese people of imperial Japan, we hated their political leadership that was run by their military. This is why we helped Japan rebuild after WWII.
I don't think Japan would ever side with China the two have pretty much been mortal enemies since the two countries were created.
I can't say whether the assassination changed anything but I don't think Japan would have gone communist and sided with China just because of the history between the two countries and the state of the country at the time.
China and Japan were so against each other during this time period that anything associated with China such as communism would be overly rejected by the general public. I think the fact that this guy was assassinated at all is sufficient proof of that.
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The US are fighting unions, Socialism, Communism ever since 1897( the Lattimer murders near Hazleton, Pennsylvania, on September 10, 1897) the Pinkertons, the Mafia , Woodrow Wilson, the invasion of Siberia and so on. Who will save us from the USA?
No, the only thing he did was make the guy a martyr. Japan would have avoided communism anyway. He knew that something as dangerous as communism needed to be stopped, but political assassination is never the answer
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I hate to admit, but socialism and communism are ideas. And ideas are not exterminated by killing one, two, or even thousands of people. No matter how high ranked those people are.
No communism is a bad thing. Quite literally every incarnation of it has resulted in millions of people dying, entire countries being oppressed and plunged into poverty while being manipulated with propaganda and entire spy networks designed to watch and report on the doings of the people. Lennon Killed millions before stalin did. After Stalin Mao killed millions. And Pol Pot in Cambodia, and of course North Korea, and cuba and venezuela where they are currently fighting in the streets over scraps as their rich communist/socalist leaders eat and drink fine foods and wines. Quite literally every single time it is attempted the people end up far worse off then they where before and corruption sky rockets. Its not a good thing.
@hellionthesagereborn No it's not, you obviously don't know what communism is. We never had communism on Earth, only various forms of socialism. Note that socialism is not the same as communism. Real communism is stateless, classless and moneyless society... we never had that, get it? So , the examples you are saying have nothing to do with original communism, which is an utopian society.
I think that is very safe to say. The capitalism we have in america is massively different than what it was when the country was founded. And like and government form thete was once an idea of a thing and people candy picked through it to make their government type. It certainly falls into the overall category but would almost certainly differ from another country with the same basic form of government.
Then we have a debate over wether or not it is possible to have a true communism or capitalism society. Thanks for the reply. Might write an essay about this!
So the people who created communism didn't do communism right? Really? That's just stupid, because your suggesting that the founders of communism (lennon and stalin based off of Marxist principles which themselves called for the mass murder of all capitalist and those who believe in a different economical system) did not in fact create an actual communistic society, that all those who claimed to have done so didn't "really" do it, and that all of them failed yet some how communism is still a viable system despite every incarnation of it failed and no one has ever been able to create "true communism" yet some how you think, what, you know what true communism is? If that's the case then not only are you uneducated, your also an extreme Narcassist to think that you know better. No we have had true communism, you can't claim that it doesn't count simply because it didn't work, they made the attempt and it failed in every version of it whether that be Stalinism, communism, socialism,
fascisism etc. etc. Also before you try to argue it, all of these countries had a democratic system so democratic socialism is in fact the same thing as Stalinism, socialism, communism.
@jimyee It only sounds like that if your incredibly stupid. What country has true capitalism? Well up until the last 100 years it was the US. Currently the US is the only country that has the closest form of true capatilism and its leading in research on every level, technology, invention, medical research. Prior to socalist forcing socialistic concepts onto our society we actually had much higher rates of employment and wealth, in fact our society still has the most patents and is one of the bets places to start a business despite all the socialistic laws that have tried to hamper it. So no, capitalism works, we know it works because it has been working and only when elements of socialism have entered into our society did we see things fall apart. The black community for instance is a good example. They are the majority recipients of welfare, they live in the cities and states that have the most socialistic programs and laws. They also live in the highest crime areas, most poverty,
@jimyee most uneducated, most openly hostile to people and to business of any part of the United states. When those welfare programs where removed (in various places) what happened? Employment went up as did over all earnings. So again, we know for a fact, not opinion but fact that capitalism is a superior system. It may not be perfect but it is when compared to communism.
@Khalif13 We have had true capitalism. It has some problems because every system will, but it was the most successful statistically speaking of any economic system to date.
@hellionthesagereborn Those people you are thinking about didn't create communism. Communism as an ideal society was described by Thomas More, in his book Utopia (16th century) - As we all know, he wasn't the founder of USSR. Communism was named after communes, because - according to Victor d'Hupay, communist philosophy requires lifestyle as a Commune (share all economic and material products between inhabitants of the commune, so that all may benefit from everybody's work). So, Lenin definitely wasn't the creator of communism, but at least he tried. Unlike him, Stalin was a cruel, totalitarian dictator, his modification of the system was not even near communism. If someone here is "uneducated" - it's you, because you don't have idea what communism is, what it stands for, and who created the idea (because we never had communism in reality). All you know is Stalinism, there are no "versions", you are one of those bigots who can't tell the difference between feminism and feminazism.
Um no, he coined the term Utopia, his society involved a classes and even slavery. In fact people point to his "utopia" as its currently viewed as a dystopian world of authoritarianism and oppression. It also rather ironic because the term utopia literally translates to "no place" so the fact that you would call for something that is by its very name an impossibility is well as I said, ironic. It was also political satire. Also, it wasn't communism because again, it had classes even slavery (which would be a class in and of itself). The term communism was coined by Victor d'Hupay in the 1700s, and thus would be the first communistic philosopher. I never said Lennon created communism, I said he was the first to try and implement it. So try again. Looks like your still, very, uneducated.
@hellionthesagereborn Nope, you are totally wrong, and it's Lenin, not Lennon, you are so uneducated. Utopia represents imaginary, perfect and indefinitely remote place, it means "no-place" in Greek because we still don't have such place on Earth. I never said it was communism, it was just a role-model for communism (creation of perfect society - clasless, stateless, moneyless). Lenin did a good job, but Stalin ruined everything, if only Trotsky managed to succeed Lenin, things would be very different. So, as I said, you have no idea, all you know is capitalist and fascist bigotry.
@hellionthesagereborn Wait, did you really just say that you never claimed 'they' created communism? Because you clearly said "... the founders of communism (lennon and stallin..." The OP already talked about d'hupay, why are you bringing it up and saying basically the exact same thing and throwing it in our faces like we didn't know about it? Did you even read her post? It sure doesn't look like it because you claim we are uneducated but in reality you are just making yourself look the fool. With your racist tendecies and amazing ability to forget what you wrote two messages ago and swear that you never said something when clearly as the text can't be erased and shows that you did indeed say whatever was in question reminds me of a certain dotard.
@jimyee Founders as in those who first implemented it. I thought that was pretty clear as they founded communism on Marxist principles which was itself created by Karl Marx. Again, I didn't think I needed to spell it out as it seemed rather obvious, I'm sorry that I over estimated peoples intelligence with that assumption, clearly I will not do it again. As for why I repeated the name of the guy, I wrote my response for the first part of her remark not realizing she mentioned him later in her comment. By that point I didn't feel it was necessary to remove it as it was still an accurate statement, that he was the one who coined the term and was the one who created the idea of communism as it pertained to classless and money less system, not Thomas More who's utopia was nothing like communism as it was a republic, had slavery, had classes etc. Also how in the world am I a racist? Because I disagree with you I'm suddenly a racist? That doesn't make sense.
I'm so sorry I misspelled a name, clearly I must be incredibly stupid for misspelling a name, you got me. That's a moronic statement, you know as well as I that the ability to spell the name has nothing to do with education. As for Thomas More: "Communism as an ideal society was described by Thomas More, in his book Utopia (16th century)" as you stated he came up with the idea of communism, which of course is not true as it was satire and it was nothing like what your trying to claim communism is. Also again, if every incarnation and attempt to create it failed and lead to mass murder and mass poverty and starvation then yes you can say communism is not a successful system, a system that cannot manage to exist is not particularly successful. Lenin (I spelled it right does that make me educated now?) committed mass murder through the red terror. He also refused aid to farmers during the famine in 1918 which was caused by his policies (among other things):
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM1.LENIN.FAM.VIC2.HTM So we know that Lenin was not a good man, he murdered people, had people murdered and showed little concern for the people who suffered because of his actions. As for Capitalism, what is the most successful nation in the world? The most powerful? The US. What does the US have that every other nation did not and does not? Freedom and Capitalism (which go hand in hand). Also its funny you mention capitalism since the black market in Russia, china and every other communist nation is quite powerful and commen selling not illegal goods but everything from food to shoes and the reason why its a black market is because its illegal due to the fact that its a capitalist system. People in these "utopian" paradises you talk about are breaking the law to have capitalism. Its rather ironic. As for fascism that's just absurd. In fact the US is the exact opposite of Fascism.
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce. What is capitalism? The exact opposite of that. What is conservativism? Anti government and thus anti-authoritarianism. What is the left? Highly authoritarian (as they are currently trying to get people imprisoned for using the wrong words (already managed to pass these laws in Canada when it comes to gender pronouns and people have been arrested for tweets). Meanwhile in the US you have freedom of speech, you have the freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, you have the right to vote, you have the right to a fair trial, you cannot be punished for crimes your parents committed. You in fact can demand that the government turn over documents to the press and they by law have to do so (and it is enforced). None of this is anything remotely close to what Fascism is.
Their is no classism in the US system, it is a meritocracy you get what you put in if you start a business then its your business and you can do with it what you want. Their is no set classes, no poor and rich, you can move up or down depending upon your choices (and some times bad luck but never because the government says so). "Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state" sound familiar? It should, its the left and what they are striving for, its also what Marx called for with his calls of violent revolution, a one party system where no one but Marxist communist existed, not in a nation but in the world which he wanted obtained through violence. https://youtu.be/jRaAPJkWlpo
@hellionthesagereborn Capitalist & fascist propaganda again... Lenin was a good man, he never killed anyone, and you are commenting Utopia based on wikipedia, you never read the actual book, that's why you don't understand why that society was a role model for communism. Lenin never implemented original idea of communism, he implemented Marxism, which was a modification of the system, by the ideas of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Lenin basically saved Russia from the bankruptcy, caused by disastrous politics of the Tzar and his feudals. People were starving because of them, punishing thieves and imperialists is not a crime. Personally, I think Lenin should have used Luxemburgism (created by Rosa Luxemburg) instead of rigid Marxism supported by the Bolsheviks. Mensheviks supported moderate way of socialism. Quit bragging about USA, you had nothing before you stole Nazi Germany's technology, and all of "your" best scientists were European - Tesla, Einstein, Von Braun, Sikorsky etc.
It’s not just Stalin that was evil, it was also Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Ceaucescu, and currently Kim Jong Un. Communism is just wishful thinking, it can’t work. Communism is anti religion, Communist regimes pays everyone the same and it treats it’s own people like trash.
No, actually I didn't read the book but I got my information from other sources and the fact that again, he advocates for slavery in his book. Listen you don't understand what your talking about, that's pretty damn clear, smarter people then you have tried communism and it failed, Lenin was a terrible person, again this is just based upon his actions alone, you don't know what fascism is which is really mind boggling because I gave you the god damn definition of it. Your so far gone mentally that you are not worth talking to. Go to your communist nation, stay the hell away from America and any capitalist nation, don't try to drag every one else down with you, if your going to destroy lives destroy your own not other peoples.
Here is a much smarter person then you explaining why everything you said was completely idiotically stupid (and why you should feel bad about it): https://youtu.be/VsZJ0fJpLPc https://youtu.be/Rys45B4OhV0 https://youtu.be/Em82ZmetFhg https://youtu.be/OlB_xNOAn1c Also he knows more about communism then you ever will, the man has read it all, studied it all even collects the art. So yeah, your an idiot and you should feel bad. "not real communism", that's called the "no true scotsman" fallacy to by the way.
@ADFSDF1996 Communism is not a religion or anti-religion, it has nothing to do with religion. Of course Mao Pol Pot, Ceaucescu, and Kim Jong Un are/were bad, but the fact is - they are not true communists (they don't follow the ideals of communism) - they falsely call their politics "communism" - but it has nothing to do with the original idea of communism (basically, they are trashing the name of communism, because their politics is crap, not communism).
@hellionthesagereborn Nope, once again, you have no idea what are you talking about, I'm from one of the ex "communist countries" (actually socialist countries because we never had communism in reality), so I know what am I talking about, unlike you. So called "Scottish fallacy" was invented by idiots like you, people who hate Scotland, and have no idea what it means to be a Scotsman (it's about honorable behavior, not about nationality as a title used by people who don't behave themselves properly). Lenin was a good man but he died too early, before he could start the realization of communism (Soviet Russia was a socialist country, not "communist"). Stalin ruined everything, as I said. The imperialist in your video is not a smart person, he is just a bigot like you, uninformed and indoctrinated bigot with a diploma doesn't mean "smart person". Communism is achievable, but not yet, people have to evolve more, it's the society of the future, just like in Star Trek - no money, no states
They prove that communism is easily corrupted for being a weak ideology. Look at how poor the satellite communist nations during the Cold War were. Marx called religion “the opium of the people” which inspired all the communist tyrants to oppress religion.
You really have no idea what your talking about do you? Scotsman fallacy has nothing to do with Scotland. Your really really uneducated, that's really sad that your that oblivious and brain washed. Here is what the no true scotsman fallacy means (it has nothing to do with scotsman): "No true Scotsman is a kind of informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample. Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule."
@ADFSDF1996 Because they weren't following the Communism, they were following Totalitarian Dictatorship founded by Stalin, who falsely called it Communism. Real Communism is not "weak ideology", it's the ideal society of the future. So, the tyrants were not "Communists", they were Stalinists, because unlike Fascism and Nazism, original Communism is not a tyrannic ideology. Other "communist nations" (actually socialist nations) were poor - not because of "communism" (socialism) but because Soviet regime was oppressing them, and blocking their progress. After Lenin, USSR always had stupid rulers. If they were smart, they would have wanted strong allies, but unfortunately, they were extremely dumb. Religion is bad, they caused most of the wars in history, so oppressing them was actually a good thing, they should have destroyed religion for good, religion did the worst crimes in history (Crusaders, Mujahedin, Inquisition, Conquistadors, Zionists, Taliban etc).
@hellionthesagereborn No, I actually know more than quasi-philosopher like you. I don't care about your dumb definitions, I'm telling you how the idiots like you invented the so called "Scottish fallacy", they were Anglo-Saxon haters who despise Celtic culture and tradition, and who don't know anything about Scottish honor and what it means to be a real Scotsman. You are not worth talking to, but I wasn't the one who started spamming on your comment, you are the one who is doing it all the time, always full of your imperialistic hatred against feminism, communism and all of the other ideals you have no knowledge about, all you have is indoctrination, bigotry and pseudo-logic bullshit invented by other extremists like you. Good bye.
Communism is wishful thinking, it has already had many chances and it screwed them all up. Religious people would still live in fear in some fictional “communist Utopia” considering that Marx and Lenin loathed religion. image.slidesharecdn.com/.../...rcd-file-11-638.jpg
Yeah, your stupid. I'm sorry I've tried to be nice I've tried to be civil but this is just absurd now. That's not what it is reffering to at all and its not "quasi philosophy" its logic and as my comments pertain to communism its actual fact. I even gave you links to a man who has a doctorate and has studied communism and socialism for probably longer then you have been alive who stated basically what I stated. Your an idiot. See people have a bias where when you prove them wrong with facts (like I presented and you didn't (your argument consisting of every one else is wrong about communism and I know best because "reasons")) they just become more convinced they are right. Your not worth arguing with because you don't have the mental capacity to actually analyze the facts or question your own ideas you just keep going along with this notion because it was what you where taught to do and as I said you just don't have the mental capacity to actually think about it objectively.
@ADFSDF1996 Communist Utopia is the society of the future, just as I said, and Lenin's quote you posted is totally right, religion is just an instrument of manipulation, used by the rich people. But I also said that the original communists were christians, not atheists (Victor d'Hupay is the best example). Communism was not yet achieve just because humanity is not evolved yet, for such a perfect society, there are too many greedy and selfish people, egotists, bigots and uneducated snobs who live in their world of indoctrinations. We'll just have to wait for the better future, and then we'll get to the real Communism, which looks just like society from the Star Trek (no money, no states, no classes).
That sounds like servitude. My biggest issue with communism’s is how it tries to force atheism into people. Communism will never be successful, it’s only a fantasy that wants a war between the rich and the poor. People who live under communism can’t afford enjoyment because they only make enough money for necessities not wants.
@hellionthesagereborn I've never seen anyone more stupid than you, at least not here. You have no facts, you have quasi-logic crap, and you constantly spam on other people's comments. Yeah, sure you did, LOL, you live in your world of imagination. I don't care what you think, get it, if you have something to say, then say it to the asker, from your own opinion, cut the crap and stop spamming on other people's comments. I'm not here to "argue" with some pathetic little snob and pseudo-philosopher, I'm here just to state my opinion, which I'm not going to change cause of some mentally limited person full of hatred towards the noble ideals, indoctrinated from the young age, with imperialist propaganda and religious fanaticism masked with quasi-scientific phrases, that you tend to repeat constantly, like a parrot, from one question to another, mytakes included. Good bye you miserable creature.
Communism also doesn’t believe in private property which in essence limits freedom. Communism limits many freedoms. This is when comparing fascism and communism, a lot of people consider fascism the lesser of the two evils because fascism respects private property. Fascism isn’t perfect either but it’s less extreme than communism.
@ADFSDF1996 You're like a child, you don't know what Communism is, you haven't read anything I said. There is no servitude in Communism because real Communism is clasless society (we never had it, get it?) - Socialism is not the same as communism, and you obviously refer to Stalinism, not real Communism. Therefore, Communism isn't trying to "force" anything, because there is no Communism, it's just an idea, which was not yet achieved. Furthermore, as I said before, and I repeat, original Communists were Christians. Of course, Atheism is actually better than any religion, but you can't understand that - for very well known reasons. Nope, Communism doesn't "want a war between the rich and the poor" - Communism wants equality - no more dividing people into rich and poor. Once again, nobody lives "under Communism", they live under Socialism, or under Stalinism, Communism wasn't realized yet... and people won't need any money because Communism is also moneyless society (and stateless too).
@ADFSDF1996 Again - No, Communism doesn't believe in private property, you are mistaking it with Socialism (We NEVER had Communism). Nothing is more extreme than fascism and nazism, but considering that you are a nazi-fascist, there is no point in explaining to you, or any other of the imperialists.
So you are justifying the persecution of people who practice religion. Everything you just listed is wishful thinking that can only happen in fiction. When people try to implement communism, it always fails. Communism is a breeding ground for tyrannical dictators. “Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it” slideplayer.com/.../...rx+Pure+economic+theory.jpg
You clearly don’t know anything about communism or fascism. The fact that you resort to calling me a “Nazi fascist” just shows that you are speaking from a emotional perspective rather than a logical perspective.
I’m not a “Nazi-fascist” I simply know that communism is susceptible to corruption hence can’t work in the long run.
I clearly stated that I don’t agree with communism’s stance on private property and religion.
@ADFSDF1996 Wrong again, it's your wishful thinking that it won't happen, but it will, because it's the society of the future. I'm not justifying anything, religion is bad, and it's proven trough the history, by religion wars and millions of innocent victims of persecution by religious tyrants. Karl Marx was the one who ruined the theory by implementing dictatorship - which was not a part of the original Communism. Why? Because he thought that's the only way to achieve Communism. He was wrong, I never said his theory was perfect, but as I said before, Marx never invented Communism, he just modified it into form later accepted by Lenin, and after his death, corrupted by Stalin's totalitarian dictatorship. Don't play games, we all know that you are a nazi-fascist, you always defend, justify or even glorify nazism and fascism in your mytakes and questions, but it's not a surprise, capitalism always goes side by side with ideologies related to racism, religious extremism, nationalism etc
Crusades where also fought for riches and power, the Pope was hoping to restore relations with the eastern empire and from their unite the east and west (almost certainly under his control), the rest where done for territory. Also its funny how she keeps talking about this even though communism has been the greatest cause for violence and war in the past 100 years.
@hellionthesagereborn You are still talking nonsense, I never asked you anything, Communism has nothing to do with violence because there was no Communism - never! USSR means Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - Socialist, get it? Not Communist! Socialism was a path to achieve Communism, but it wasn't successful, because Stalin corrupted it, and people who succeeded him never repaired the system, that's why Communism was NEVER achieved. In short: 1. If it's not stateless - it's NOT Communism, 2. If it's not classless - It's NOT Communism, 3. If it's not moneyless - It's NOT Communism. Stalinism and other versions of totalitarian dictatorships were the reason why uneducated morons indoctrinated with capitalist propaganda are trashing Communism - because they don't know what Communism really is. It's an ideal society which was never achieved, because, as I said, humanity is not yet evolved enough. People are greedy, selfish, easily corruptible - we just need to wait for the future.
In your “perfect” society, religious people would be persecuted, which means that it won’t be perfect. Communism has failed over and over, instead of aping the “glories” of the past, humans will have to find a new type of political ideology that gets people closer to a “perfect” society.
Right, every one who was more educated on marx then you are created a system they called communism but it wasn't really communism even though it was in fact communism but not really because it didn't turn out the way you think it should have ergo it can't possibly be communism. Yeah I heard your convoluted asinine excuse before, it was wrong the first time its wrong now. Communism is where every one shares except of course its mandatory so some one has to enforce it ergo you will have a class. Its that simple either every one participates of their own free will and that of course won't happen or it cannot exist. Ergo it cannot exist (as you are attempting to describe it). Here is the definition of communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. This will require a class as some one needs to mediate.
And again, your incredibly conceited to claim that people who, again, studied marx to a greater extent then you ever have didn't know what communism is but some how you do. You have to be really full of yourself to think that way, or just stupid I guess.
Nope, once again, you are talking nonsense, and I wasn't asking for your opinion, if it does not meet the three conditions I mentioned - it's NOT Communism. Marx just modified the original Communism, I explained that before, lots of times, but you don't care, just as I don't care about your capitalist indoctrinations. The only people who are full of themselves are quasi-philosophers like you, arrogant and bragging with your snobbish pseudo-logic... big words don't make you smart dude, now f'ck away, you have your opinion, I have mine, deal with it, now STOP SPAMMING on other people's opinions!
Your a sad person. Its not pseudo logic, its just logic. Your changing the definition so that you can always claim that "it doesn't count" that way you can hold onto your idea even as its proven wrong time and time again while still maintaining your cognitive dissonance (holding to contrary ideas as true at the same time). I feel sorry for you but clearly you don't think you don't want to understand and speaking to you is a waste of time.
@ADFSDF1996 Nope, for the last time, nobody ever managed to put it to practice. All we had was Socialism, in worst possible way (modified by Stalin and other similar dictators).
@hellionthesagereborn Nah, I'm an angry person because you are spamming on my opinion, not vice versa, as I said, I don't care what you think, I didn't ask for your opinion... and yeah, it's pseudo-logic, you haven't "proven" anything because I was born in one of the former socialist countries (not "communist"), and I know better, you have no idea, get it... now shut up, I don't want to waste my time on you ;) 4.bp.blogspot.com/.../talk-to-the-hand.png
She has already drank the cool aid their is no reasoning with a person like this, no amount of evidence or reason will ever get her to change her opinion. She can witness what she is talking about first hand and watch it fall apart over and over again and she will still believe that she is right. Your going to have to give this up, she will never question this she is a zealot.
@hellionthesagereborn Still talking imperialistic bullshit, I told you to cut the crap, you have no idea about anything, you have no reason nor evidence, only ignorant capitalist propaganda. For the last time, I don't care what you think, it's not a matter of debate, it's my opinion, my comment - NOT YOURS, STOP THE FUCKING SPAMMING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMENTS!
Maybe murder is a bad thing. I don't know if he "saved" anyone from a political system. But I am not Japanese. I don't know if they are good with murdering someone over politics or not.
It’s educating people on a historical event that not many know about. All I’m saying is giving details about the historical event and asking for opinions. I never said that I support what Yamaguchi did to the politician.
Don’t be putting words in my mouth. I’m clearly talking about a historical event that not many people know about. I never said that I support what Yamaguchi did because it was obviously wrong what he did. I’m simply asking for people’s opinions on this topic.
Excuse me, but you did say "sadly the 17 year old boy committed suicide afterwards" like he was a big loss to the world. Of course I could be completely misinterpreting your motives.
It’s sad because he decided to kill himself at such a young age. He could have awaited trial instead of killing himself. Like I said, I don’t support what that Yamaguchi did.
It oppreses it’s own people, it bans religion, it pays everyone the same, it keeps it’s people poor, it bans many rights (no free speech, no gun rights etc).
Have you ever really studied what is communism? Communism was never actually properly realized... Read The Communist Manifesto from Marx, what's explained there is the real communism, what happened for example in Soviet Union and China was just a never ending struggle for power between the country leaders... They didn't even call them self communist countries, but real-socialism...
I knew you would say that, that’s the only defense for communism people can come up with. That’s because communism is wishful thinking, it can’t work because it’s a a weak ideology. It’s easily corrupted. Communism has already had many chances and it failed. We can’t afford to give communism another chance just because it never was successful. Giving communism another chance would risk allowing another Stalin to rise.
Well ask anyone from former Yugoslavia and everybody will tell you that "communism" worked better for them than today's capitalism, because it was in fact very successful, so much that in the 70s we had the greatest relative economic growth in the whole Europe. And it failed because of the Washington's operation to divide it and rule, after it was certain that Soviet Union will fall, and no one could try to stop them...
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