Do you support/ sympathize with Incel groups?

[sjoes006]

Yes

No

What?

[ajh1222]

I sympathize with guys who love and appreciate women, and who want to be understood and recognized and appreciated in return by women... not guys who think life owes them a warm, wet place to stick their dick and tantrum like the worlds biggest two-year-old when women don't fall all over themselves to provide it.

I've poked around on a few incel sites and 1) I don't know why anyone who hates women as much as those guys do would want to have anything to do with women, and 2) no one who can spew that much hate and vitriol about women should be allowed within 100 yards of women, let alone expect one to fuck them. Registering on one of those sites should come with an automatic restraining order for our safety and protection.

If you want a woman, you need to LOVE women, because women are awesome. One time a drunk girl in the bathroom of a club hand-rolled me a tampon out of toilet paper because the machine was empty. Said she learned how to do it in prison! How kick-ass is that? Girls will have your back and they sure as hell don't deserve all that incel-generated hate.

And now my rant is over...

[The_FallenOne]

I love how you asked some dumbass question about a word that majority of don't even know, never use, and never even heard of. Why did you not explain or at least define Incel? There is no decription or anything. Just a dumbass question and answers to the dumbass question.

[sjoes006]

Well, that’s why the “what” option is there for. This is a poll and if you aren’t familiar with the subject then you probably don’t have much to contribute but might be curious.

Incel groups are splintered and don’t share one definition. But it is certainly a hot topic over the past few years and recently when the Canadian that ran down women was found to be an Incel.

This is a well known subgroup and my defining it TO YOU wouldn’t be fair. You can search it and read for weeks. I don’t want to paint your decision.

[The_FallenOne]

Lol why did you give me MHO? I didn't even answer your question, but thanks I guess lol

[Pamina]

Nope. A lot of people have it hard in life for many reasons. Incels aren't special. They're just whinier and more hateful, which makes me sympathize with them *less* than with other people who have it hard.

[bubble_tea]

I understand their pain.. but I don't understand their hate.

[sjoes006]

I guess the question hasn’t been open long enough to assign MHO.

This is so very well put but both the pain and hate are misplaced and misguided. False narrative for one. Taking no accountability.

I think we have all been there on certain issues in our life. I can’t get the job I was because, I can’t lose weight because, I can’t get an education because...

Sometimes there is an outside burden but 95% of the tome the burden is you. Telling yourself it can’t or won’t happen promises that it won’t.

Hate and crashing cars into women is certainly something I don’t understand but hope for others that people see signs and offer help.

[Nivinxus]

I do understand their hate, but I don't agree with them. Basically, they need an outlet, a target on who to blame, and what better target than the ones that unwittingly and unintentionally caused them pain? Stupid, yeah, makes all the more reason to NOT bother trying to understand them and instead should they try to threaten you, firmly plant your fist in their face.

[bloodmountain1990]

@bubble_tea yeah I mean dating is tough these days, especially with all the dating sites and I’ve heard lots of complaints about online dating and dating in general from both men and women who don’t fall under the “incel category”.

But the problem with these incels is they make their life focus solely about getting laid. I mean I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have frustrations with dating but these guys think women should be raped and killed for not having sex with them. If you think getting sex is more important than one’s safety and boundaries, that says way more about you then the people you criticize.

[bubble_tea]

sjoes006, I don't think that their pain is misplaced. Even if they came to the conclusion that they are the cause of the situation, the situation itself is painful.
If you never said a word to your crush, and he got together with your best friend, it's going to suck for you. And normally, you'd blame yourself for not doing anything first instead of hating your best friend and him for choosing her over you.

[bubble_tea]

@Nivinxus I understand that it's easier to blame others than to blame oneself.. but I don't understand how anyone can be so completely devoid of self-awareness and literally hate about half of the population so much to want to kill. That's just well.. crazy.

[bubble_tea]

@bloodmountain1990 I don't doubt it's hard to date nowadays. I think popular series like HIMYM reflect what the current population wants.. which is find the perfect fit from the very start, because you shouldn't change anything about yourself as you are perfect the way you are. It already limits your options very much before you even find a person from that tiny pool willing to go on a date with you.
With incels.. I used to think they were exaggerating everything for attention, but to know there are people out there who actually mean it.. scary!

[bloodmountain1990]

@bubble_tea what’s HIMYM?

Yeah I just think dating sites and technology in general, has definitely contributed to why dating is tough. Is it the sole reason? No, but rarely do you hear people having success stories from using them, maybe not for sex but definitely for relationships.

Yeah these incels are really messed up in the head. I’m willing to bet most of these incels don’t even try.

[bubble_tea]

@bloodmountain1990 How I Met Your Mother. Great show.

[VegetaSSB]

I understand from where they come from, when i was younger, some 7 years ago i almost bought into it also, but after i could get more information in regards to what is really happening in this world and the force behind revolutionary movements, i relised that feminism, marxism, LGBT, every kind of movement had a fair good point in their beginings, but all of them were infiltrated by inteliggence agencies at some points and all of them are under the control of the occultist elite who truly rule this world and the function for these movements is to separate people and put one against the other, so that they cannot focus on the real problem, that is the governments ruled by these secret societies, that are by themselves controled by this occultist elite and their parasitic alien masters at the absolute top of the disgrace of this world, so incel groups should instead inform themselves better anf fiht the right elements, the occultist elite, like i am doing here by merely mentioning their existence, but i intend to make a my take about this topic at some point.

[BlueCoyote]

I think @bubble_tea has really put it perfectly. There's hardly anything to add to that.
I understand where these people come from. Before I met my wife, I was never very successful with girls, at least not sexually (they wanted to be my girlfriend but didn't want to have sex with me). I lost my virginity pretty late compared to most young people in my country. I would lie if I said that wasn't very frustrating at times. I often felt left behind. However, what I never felt was that women were to blame for my misery. I also don't think it was my fault... it was nobody's fault. It was simply bad luck, that's it. I have zero understanding for guys who hate women because they can't get laid. That's a very entitled attitude in my opinion. Women don't owe these guys anything.

[bloodmountain1990]

Yep and sometimes the ones you’ve into don’t like you back and vice versa which still falls under bad luck but that being said I’d given my experiences, I’d rather be single than settle for someone I’m not into or is just toxic. Still not women’s or any gender’s fault.

[Cammy137]

What utter nonsense. I can't believe you wasted your time typing out that drivel!
Did you seriously ask why people view not getting laid as any different rape? Why stop there, why is a murderer any different from a doctor? Why is an animal abuser any different from a vet?

People don't always get what they want. That's life! Allow me to play the worlds smallest violin for those who can't get laid...

[Cammy137]

Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to the anonymous comment down below

[DevilsAdvocator]

Involuntarily celibacy isn't just 'not getting laid'. Most 'incels' aren't actually incels. Tell me- have you ever heard of vaginal and penis infibulation? Do you know the history behind chastity belts? That's actual involuntary celibacy. People don't always get what they want. That's life. And you might scoff in derision at those who can't have sex, just as you would as those who can't get money or employment or social status. But some people actually possess empathy, even in this day and age. What happened to yours?

[Cammy137]

So how many people involved in the incel movement have any involvement with vaginal/penis infibulation or chastity belts? In fact, how many people in the Western world are?

I don't remotely scoff at people with no money, employment or social status. But they aren't comparable. I also have plenty of empathy.

[Cammy137]

Im completely supportive of those in the examples you mentioned... but much in the same way that the feminism movement is no longer about equality, the incel movement does not show itself to support the matters you've described

[DevilsAdvocator]

Few to none. But how many people involved in the #MeToo movement have any involvement with forced prostitution or rape? Most incels are self-proclaimed 'incels' in the same way that that this girl, and most others in the MeToo movement, are 'rape victims': Is my #metoo story worth reporting? ↗ I don't support them, or have sympathy for them, any more than I do for girls like this. But that doesn't mean that there aren't individual cases in both movement which I would support and have sympathy for.

[DevilsAdvocator]

Yes I do. Why shouldn't I? Incel stands for Involuntary Celibacy. Emphasis on the 'involuntary' part. How is that any different, in principle, to involuntary Promiscuity- aka, rape victims? Do you support/sympathize with rape victim groups? Of course you do- everyone does. They didn't want to be sexually active, after all- they were forced to be against their will. They need support, and deserve sympathy. But you don't support or sympathize with involuntary celibates, even though they don't want to be sexually inactive- even though they're forced to be against their will. You deem them deserving only of abandonment, derision and scorn.

Why is this? Isn't sex supposed to be oh-so-great, the best thing in the world, a special privilege and the most single-most enjoyable activity in existence? So why is there this double standard, and why is it this weighed towards the involuntarily promiscuous? Isn't this no different to supporting and sympathizing with those who involuntarily inherit an overabundance of wealth, money, property and status, because "they've got such a heavy burden to bear, they didn't ask for it, they don't deserve to suffer"; whilst simultaneously showing nothing but derision and disdain for those who are involuntarily impoverished, penniless, homeless and destitute, because "oh, it's their own fault that they're poor, useless wastes of space and oxygen, if they really wanted money, jobs and homes they could do it with no trouble at all, they should just all kill themselves and decrease the surplus population". Is this really fair?

[Cammy137]

Your comment is utter nonsense!

[DevilsAdvocator]

@Cammy137 But doctors and vets have nothing to do with murderers or animal abusers. All of these do things voluntarily, hence the 'involuntary' constituent doesn't apply. Let's look at the most extreme possible cases of ACTUAL involuntary celibacy and its opposite, involuntary promiscuity, shall we? One girl is kept involuntarily celibate for her entire life, by being forced to undergo type III FGM in early childhood; her clitoris is chopped off, and her vagina's stitched up to make it impossible for anything to be inserted without having the stitched removed first. She is then house-bound by her parents, and forced to remain chaste for the rest of her life. Another girl is forced to become involuntarily promiscuous for her entire life, by being forced into prostitution by her parents from early childhood. She is then house-bound by her parents, and forced to sexually service men for the rest of her life. Doesn't the 1st girl deserve support and sympathy too?

[BlueCoyote]

I understand that it can suck not to get any pussy but comparing not getting laid to getting raped is absolutely outrageous. One person just isn't very lucky, the other person has her most personal integrity violated, gets physically injured and emotionally traumatized.

[DevilsAdvocator]

@BlueCoyote Did you read the last comment? Involuntary celibacy isn't just "not getting laid", any more than rape's just "having a guy make sexy eyes at me when I didn't want him to". You don't think that the girl who gets her pussy stitched shut has her most personal integrity violated, gets physically injured and emotionally traumatized too?

[BlueCoyote]

I didn't read the last comment. However, we're not talking about such barbaric things as women having their vaginas stitched shut here. Nor is that a problem these Incel guys actually have to deal with. They just happen to not have very good social skills or perhaps not very good lucks. That's unfortunate but it's their own problem to deal with. It's not anyone else's fault, nor does anyone else owe them sexual pleasure.

[DevilsAdvocator]

@BlueCoyote You could say exactly the same thing about the unemployed and impoverished. "They just happen to not have very good work skills, or perhaps not very good luck. That's unfortunate but it's their own problem to deal with. It's not anyone else's fault, nor does anyone else owe them an income." Is it true? Sure. But does that mean that we shouldn't support any groups which exist to support the unemployed or the poor, because it's "all their fault for either being useless or unlucky enough to not be able to make enough money"? Because the same attitudes prevail in both instances. Those who are well off, and have an overabundance of it, scoff at and look down upon those who have nothing and who can't get any of it as inferior, worthless plebs. This is true of money, fame, status, societal privilege, and of sex.

[BlueCoyote]

I don't think the two are comparable. Poor people are rarely poor because they lack work skills. There are tens of thousands of millennials in the US with college degrees who need to work at McDonalds because they can't find a proper job (or they can't get one at all). These people do have work skills, and I believe there is someone to play for their unemployment. Unemployment is a social problem that can be politically solved - not entirely perhaps but to a large degree. It's just a matter of political will.

And before you come back at me with "well, it's just women's will to sleep with those guys or not" I say no, that's very different. The government has an explicit duty and responsibility to fight social problems such as unemployment. That's partially why we have governments. Women aren't born for the purpose of being fuckslaves of Incel guys.

Also, I do sympathize with these guys to a degree. Partially because I was never very lucky with girls myself. However, (cont.)

[BlueCoyote]

sympathizing with frustration and supporting their blame-culture of women are two completely different pair of shoes.
And equating their frustration to the crime of being raped is not just ridiculous but frankly speaking tasteless and stupid.

[DevilsAdvocator]

@BlueCoyote Why should the government have a duty and responsibility to fight social problesm like unemployment and unequal wealth distribution though? This is a capitalist society, after all, not a socialist or communist one. They don't have any such duties or responsibilities; they simply do so half-heartedly and tokenistically in order to win votes. And we have taxation as a means of charging people for these tokenistic services provided by the government for the financially deprived; just as we have prostitution fees as a means of charging incel guys for the tokenistic sexual services provided by women for the sexually deprived. Looking at it objectively, is it really so different?

[DevilsAdvocator]

@BlueCoyote The impoverished in western society also have a blame-culture of the wealthy "1%" and of society as a whole, do they not? And the analogy I used would be equivalent to equating the frustration of a perpetually unemployed NEET to someone who'd been the victim of theft. Would you try to claim that as "not just ridiculous but frankly speaking tasteless and stupid"? by the way, in case you missed it, here's an example of the kind of 'rape victim' which can be equated with your stereotypical 'incel'- Is my #metoo story worth reporting? ↗

[Anonymous]

I sympathize with them. I really think Elliot Rodger was a good guy who just snapped when he couldn't take anymore rejection and hurt. Guys like Elliot Rodger are victims of a society where promiscuity is rampant and girls only want bad boys or rich guys, and if a guy is quieter or not able to meet a girl's long list of requirements then he is not good enough for women until the woman is in her 30s and wants to start a family and the bad boys don't want that. I'm a guy and I dropped out of dating altogether. When I am financially able to try to get myself a virgin wife that is 18 years old maximum in East Europe or East Asia where age gaps aren't much of a big deal. Ultimately the MGTOW and Incel groups will grow and grow, and men will keep dropping out of society and dating, and many of the girls will be alone when they reach their 30s. Wonder where all the good guys have gone? You didn't notice them when you were a teenager, became an adult at age 18, were in college or graduated college because having sex and focusing on career was more important than finding a good guy for a lifetime of marriage. So the good guys either went to marry foreign girls or became MGTOW so they decide to be single forever and if a woman asked them for a relationship the MGTOW would reject her because he doesn't need a woman, he's going his own way and doesn't want a dishonest woman ruining his life.

[KevinSmiley13]

I get what they're going through cause im 23 and still a virgin but I also think that it's their fault and they only have themselves to blame.
No one owes you anything in life. It's always easier to blame others for your struggles but ultimately you have to recognize your part in your problems, and learn from them. Women want to be with confident men. Incel men think that they deserve to be with beautiful women but don't take any initiative in making themselves a more attractive partner. It's a selfish, self-centered, and immature way of thinking. Putting in effort, either at the gym, your work, school, your hobbies, etc. Is attractive to women. They don't care if your perfect, just trying at least. That means going out of your comfort zone and making mistakes along the way.

[bloodmountain1990]

Nope, not at all. I mean let’s face it, dating is tough these days and can be frustrating too, especially when you have a hard time meeting people and dating sites are your only resource.

What separates the incels from your average Joe who has dating/relationship struggles is entitlement, whining, and general misogyny.

I’ve read some of these incel threads, subreddits, etc and they are disturbing. Many of them advocate for the rape and killing of women, and blame women for all their problems, even ones they never met.

Honestly, who would wanna date people with a mentality like that?

And to think these guys call themselves nice guys 😂😂

Well let me put it this way, being nice alone isn’t gonna cut it. You should be a nice person regardless, not to expect shit in return. If you’re just nice in exchange for a relationship, sex, or any kinda favor then you aren’t really nice at all.

[devilman666]

Had to google it, as a 22 year old virgin myself, the whole thing seems moronic to me. I can't understand feeling that upset over being a virgin, but maybe that's just because I don't care about losing mine.

[bloodmountain1990]

I think that stems from the whole “toxic masculinity mentality” where losing your virginity makes you “more of a man” and having your sexual success/lack of define you which is dumb.

[EmperorOfRome]

No. They have the same victim mentality, the same mental disorders and awful personality, the same "blaming everyone" habit that FEMINISTS have and I condemn.

That said, I have no sympathy for them.

[Anonymous]

They only have themselves to blame. They are horrible people.

[0112358]

Support... you’d have to be clearer.

Sympathize yes.

[sjoes006]

Google it.

[0112358]

I support wizards keeping their mana if it makes them happy.

Or was that not the tenet you were referring to.

[SirRexington]

What is Incel because I've heard it a lot recently but have no clue what it is.

[bloodmountain1990]

People who label themselves “involuntary celibate” but it’s what more extreme than just not getting laid. It’s specific to a community who feels that they’re “owed sex”

[SirRexington]

@bloodmountain1990 I'm involuntarily celibate but I don't feel I owe sex. I'm just not lucky in finding a girl.

[Seppelson]

No I don't sympathize with them but I don't agree with feminists as well

[chc0009]

I sympathize with them being unwanted by women. But I draw the line at violence and those fuckers crossed it.

[Anonymous]

incels are people who blame women, for their own sex problems.. mainly men

they think they're owed sex just cause they're a man.

you're NOT OWED ANYTHING, GUYS, AND GIRLS FOR THAT MATTER

EARN IT

[LegateLanius]

I only sympathize with them if they don't blame others for their misfortunes.

[yousir]

Definitely not. Just another pity party.

[CoffeeWC]

I don't support any groups

[jacquesvol]

Only if these are coed

[BlueCoyote]

Haha, I like your dry humor ;-)

[ChronicThinker]

Not in the slightest.

[alice55]

I feel sad for them in a ways honestly.

[call_me_scar]

What are Incel groups