Other: It shouldn't be mandatory but there should be a change in regards to what the law considers the default.
Currently, in most countries where organ donation is legal, you have to specifically prepare to become a donor after your death. You need a donor ID, which is not always easy to obtain. It can involve quite a lot of paperwork, which is one reason people don't feel like getting it. Unless you are well-informed about organ donation and you strongly believe in becoming a donor, you won't go through all the hassle. And that means that hospitals have a constant shortage of usable organs.
So, instead of this current policy, we should make organ donation a default position. In other words: rather than assuming that the dead person didn't want to donate, we should assume that they DID want to donate. If there is no message from the patient clearly indicating they don't want to be donors, the organs should be up for grabs.
People should still be allowed to refuse to donate their organs if they disagree with it for moral reasons but they should be the ones who have to go through the extra trouble of making this clear. So, if you don't want to be a donor, you'd have to specify it in your last will. Or maybe there could be a government-issued anti-donor ID or something of that sort. If you had that, doctors wouldn't be allowed to touch your organs. In all other cases, the fundamental assumption would be that it's okay to take them.
There are countless numbers of horror stories from people who had a loved one enter a hospital for something. When the hospital learns this patient is an organ donor things can change for the worse. Especially if the patient is thirtyish or younger. Their organs are worth a lot of money and the business of buying and selling organs is huge.
Although I see a dead body as an intimate object, the free will of a person while still alive is their personal choice on if they choose to be a donor or not/the idea that one's body becomes "property" of the country is such a distasteful thought to process for a family (who decides for one who isn't able to decide yet eg. A child). It's a rough reality I know as there is such a shortage on donors as there are now advances in transplants, and many lives are lost because of it. But I'm a firm believer that a decision can be encouraged, but can't be forced on someone.
I however have registered myself to be a donor once I received my driver's lisence.
Dear God, the thought of robbing a grave for corpses is a disgusting thought. Any person who commits such a crime - may their body be hunted by the souls of that grave!
In my country, everybody is automatically an organ donor unless they have a legal document saying that they don't want their organs used. I think this law is digusting, truly. Majority of people in my country are religious and it's not ok with our religion to be organ donor so it's very boring to have to make an official documents where we say we're not ok with it.
Your country is France and France has a secular government so they take more logical and resourceful reasons over religious reasons, so in they mind it is logical to have a mandatory organ donation because why does a dead body needs the functions of the organ if they not able to use it so its note logical to take the organ to a person who able to use the function of the organ and is dire need of the organ from the dead body who will not able to use it and it would be more resourceful. Not here to offend you but your government is a secular government so they use logical reasonx over religious reasons
@100lbguy My government is stupid. There's religious reasons but there's too personal reasons (majority of people don't want to give their organs even if they're dead, too the % of people who give blood / plasma is very very low so how can they imagine a person who don't want to give some blood would be ok giving their organs? That's stupid and illogical, I see this as stealing body). I don't care about the "they don't need organs if they're dead", people must be free to not give their organs if they don't want to because if not why not make the blood donation mandatory by laws? It don't take that much time and we don't need to have all this blood, giving a bit won't kill us... That the exact same thinking.
People don't want to give blood for many reasons such as hassle or a fear of needle... That's why so it is logical for people not not mind donating organs when dead or blood. It's not really stealing the body since you can say you don't want it done. So by not saying you don't want it done you're basically agreeing to it.
That not the right example because the person is still alive so which is a BIG difference and person alive can still make choices and able to use the function of the blood and most if all people will revolt and have phobias, I know how a secular government thinks and they will not make that mandatory because it is not that logical and resourceful, but the organ donations from a dead body is logical because they don't need it anymore and its reasonable and logical but does goes against people freedom of choice though
@ICantthinkofa Then why don't do the reverse? Why do they need to do it mandatory especially since majority of people don't want to give their organs? That's not logical, it make more work for them, make everything difficult. Too many time even if the person said nothing legally about not wanting it, the family forbid the doctor to get the organs. It lead to so much dramas all the time. No family want doctor to take the organs of their loved one and destroy the dead person body.
There's no logic to make mandatory, it just lead to dramas all the time.
No majority of people aren't even aware of this laws since it so new (just 1 years) so they're stealing it because they aren't even sure if the dead person was aware of this laws...
@100lbguy The blood donation exemple I give is logical especially for my country, there's a big need of blood. There's really too fews people who give blood. In my country we need blood more than some organs.
Too have you think that you have to be 100 % compatible with the person for giving organs to them? They need to be near too majority of the time the organs would go to a trash can...
@100lbguy It's even worse for me to take from a dead body, that's stealing especially considering majority of people aren't even aware of this laws and this lead to dramas all the time. If a family member say no usually the parents or child, they don't take the organs because they would have too much problem so this laws don't even make sense.
@alice55 because organs are valuable that's pretty much it. The government would rather be able to take a dead person organs and give it to some who needs it. Plus, source for where you got "the majority of people don't want to give their organs " from? If the majority of people didn't want it I'm sure they'd have done a petition and something would happen.
@ICantthinkofa They wouldn't because like I said majority of people aren't aware of this laws and petition is shit, it's useless. No matter how many people would sign it government don't give a shit about our opinion anyway.
When I search on internet or ask people their opinion (we talked about it in school, only 1 person was ok with it, all the other were against it). They're all against it and especially because sometime doctor let you die and stole your organ to give it to someone so everyone is afraid of that and refuse to be donor.
Like I said, they need lots of test to be sure the person is compatible and have very little time to give the organs to the person in need so that's pointless.
@alice55 you can't speak for the people then. If the majority aren't aware they may be keen for it.. In the UK I believe 20million people are going to do it. Petitions aren't shit or at least in the UK. That's just for you though it doesn't represent other areas. I doubt the doctors simply let you die... They'd go to prison
@ICantthinkofa They do and they don't go to prison because they're saving another person life...
When talking about who want to be a donor nobody when to do it. They know it's important but majority refuse to be an organ donor, the same with the blood donor stuff, majority refuse to do it.
Too for being a donor you have to be asked plenty of question to see if you're healthy or not so I don't get how they can take organs of people like that... They most likely take it for making experience on it rather than giving it to people.
First off all you think deciding wether or not you want to SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE is boring, second, you will not because you think your organs do more good decaying with the rest of you.
@ShaeNielson That's my body my choice, nobody should force me to do things I don't want to do. Nothing selfish about it. I don't want to be buried looked horrible or losing a part of me.
Too I'm selfish? And abortion isn't? You do shit, get pregnant then just kill a baby cause you don't want it? That's as selfish if not more.
@ShaeNielson I though we lived in a world where we shouldn't judge people and let them take decision for themselves, no matter what's it... And yes I much more prefer that. I don't want one of my organ living in someone else body while I'm dead, that's just creepy.
Where did the abortion question come from? I sure didn't bring it up. I have every right to be judgmental, as you would rather be an intact, rotting corpse than help someone live. You might be the person deciding if a kid lives or dies. You won't care about "creepy" when you're dead. And instead of being so selfish about, maybe see it for something beautiful, a part of you gets to live on and bring someone else life. If you're doing it for religious purposes then Im fucking sure Jesus would disapprove.
I think abortion is more selfish than refusing to donate your organs. Here's why. 1. It's not your fault if someone gets sick, but it's usually your fault that you gets pregnant. It's also your fault if your child dies.
2. Organ donation skeptics are afraid of the doctors not being willingly to save them because they wants their organs. They've a reason to be afraid and some also thinks over what their family would think. People undergoing abortion could avoid their fear of having a child using contraception or avoid penetrating sex.
3. It's at least their body when they're refusing donating their organs, but women undergoing abortion isn't about their body. It's about removing another individual's body so he dies without his consent.
Big difference!
Off course it would be ideal if more people voluntarily donated their organs, but refusing donating organs can't be compared to abortion! One of them is about fear, the other thing is about being selfish and not caring about the child.
@ShaeNielson I doubt a kids body would be big enough to take one of my organ, too I doubt most organs are given to a person in need, they're most likely given for the research.
It come become I'm sure you're pro abortion... You do sound like someone who is pro abortion.
Jesus wouldn't disapprove, he don't judge us, yes we're encouraged to do it but we're not forced, they let us take the decision without judgement. Too my parents / family would never allow it, never.
I care about it and I don't see it as beautiful but truly scary.
No they do actually go to people in need - children too. Your liver can even go to more than one person as it regenerates.
I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I believe abortion should be an option as there are already too many unwanted kids in the world, but I do not "support" it neither would I have one.
@ShaeNielson, yes, you're pro-choice. You can still think abortion is not a fun thing and think women should be allowed one if they wants to. That's a pro-choice opinion.
@ShaeNielson So I just read a lot of information about it and it truly don't make any sense to make it mandatory. First for health reasons only 50 % of body can give their organ. Then to all the person who die they can only take the organ of less than 1 % of all the dead person.
Too adult organ aren't suited for children, they explain it on internet...
So you're ok with killing innocent baby then you go around telling me I'm selfish? Hypocritical...
"You should know that one organ donor can save up to 9 lives and positively affect up to 50 others if all organs and tissues are used effectively" Yeah, it makes no difference if choose not to be an organ donor or not, sure.
Tt depends on size of the organs which organs someone gets. Adult organs are often too big for children, but older children can sometimes receive organs from a small adult or parts of an organ like a liver or lung.
And yes of course most people who die aren't suitable for organ donation, that's logical? But if you happen to die in a way where your organs can be used, the of course you should be a donor.
Also, hypocritical? If I am then you are too. You say you have the right to your body but other women do not have the right to choose to be pregnant or not? And you would let living people die because you want your whole body to rot with you, but you won't let someone terminate a pregnancy, when they can't offer the child a good life. THAT is hypocritical.
@ShaeNielson Anyway if doctor wouldn't even be able to take my organ since I breath cigarette smoke everyday (I don't smoke people around me do), I eat junk food everyday and I have a small heart problem so if someone end up with my organ they're not going to get good one.
So in the majority of time they can't.
What I don't understand is that for being a organ donor before you had to do so many test and all but now they can just take it without knowing what you eat, if you have some illness (that you weren't aware for example), etc... It don't make sense to me.
Maybe but you can't be pregnant if you don't want to (except rape) so abortion is not ok, it's just for lazy people who don't want to use a condom, birth control, etc...
@ShaeNielson, she's a hypocrite? She's not hypocritical at all. She's actually very logically. Her organs is her body, so she's using the phrase "My body, my choice" correctly. Women who are aborting their children aren't. It's not their own body they're aborting. It's the child's body. Don't want to be pregnant; either use contraception or don't have penetrating sex. It also exists birth control implants and intrauterine devices. Some can be used 24/7 for years. So it's possible to avoid being impregnated even if something would happen with a coincidence.
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no but it should be encouraged more and perhaps incentivized more. i don't think it should be mandatory because it would fly in the face of some religious beliefs regarding handling and treatment of the dead.
but i think it should be encouraged more and i think governments should even offer some sort of incentive (financial) to encourage more organ donation
I think instead of actively saying yes to being an organ donor, people should have to actively say no. That way everyone is an organ doner at birth. Anyone who choose not to be an organ doner should of course be given organs after people who are organ doners, should they ever need them.
In my country, everybody is automatically an organ donor unless they have a legal document saying that they don't want their organs used, and this document has to be on them when they die. It's a good system in my opinion, since people have the option not to donate their organs if they have some serious cultural or religious reasons, but it's quite a hassle so most people's organs will end up being given to those who need them.
I don't think there is any real reason not to donate your organs. You don't need them and they are only going to rot anyways... If they are perfectly healthy then it would be a waste to throw away. Just like food or clothes, we donate ours to those in need
Organ shortage is entirely created by the government. It bans families from receiving payment for an organ donation. If that law were repealed, there would be no shortage.
In my will, I prohibit the use of my organs for anyone other than family members as long as my heirs cannot get paid for them. The amount they can get paid, or even if they don't want to is immaterial. As long as the law prohibits payment to families, my organs are going in the ground.
Something like this should never be mandatory as it is still up to you to do with your body whatever you want even when you're dead. I do, however, very much support the idea that those who are donors should be put higher on the donation list when they are in need of an organ themselves
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I’m pretty selfish. I do not want to donate my organs. I once heard that organ donors are left to die if they are in critical condition and whether it’s a rumor or not, it stayed with me and I do not want to be neglected because someone is waiting for my heart. I want to keep all my organs...
That is a serious business that should be a personal decision not anyones but your own. I made a decsion to donate my body to whonever needs it once i am dead. I love helping anyone who may need it.
Too many hospitals have been caught letting certain patients (single males) die in order to scavenge their organs. It's happened in different hospitals in New York, Chicago, and elsewhere.
It would be great in a perfect world where we can trust everybody, but that world doesn't exist.
No, it shouldn't be mandatory by law. There might be personal reasons, religious or cultural reasons and so many other reasons that people might have as to why they can't or don't want to donate their organs and even though I don't agree with it, I respect their decision and so should the law. Once I'm dead, My organs will be donated to anyone who might need it.
Then when someone dies, could I take their house and property too since they don't need it anymore? lol That is dumb. It belongs to them and they should decide what to do with it. I wouldn't donate my organs. It might accidentally save someone that I dislike.
No because not everyone's organs can be used. For example, if someone who died had lung cancer and someone with it is on the waiting list, they won't benefit from doing the transfer and the person's body was disrespected for no reason and without their consent.
No. I wish more people agreed to be organ donors, but it's also not right for organs to be harvested without consent of the person beforehand, or the person's family
That's stepping waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the bounds of what a government should be about. When a government does that sort of things, then it's time to overthrow that government.
I believe saving a life is important, and I don't think it's bad to use dead people's usable organs, if it saves a persons life. The body would anyway be degenerated, why waste if it can save a life? I believe it will also decrease the killing of vulnerable people in the name of accidents and organ smuggling activities.
No even if your dead it's yours to do with what you want. That's your right. If you believe that it wouldn't get you in heaven that's your right and others should respect that. I don't believe that but I believe people should have that right. I do believe it should be a opt-out system where you are Rogan donor unless you tell the state otherwise
I believe in organ donation, why waste a perfectly good heart, lungs or anything else when they could be used to save one or multiple lives. I even donated plasma once a week for about 6 months while I was at college because it was right around the corner and I was happy that I could do some good for someone in need. The only thing that freaks me out a little would be donating my eyes, something about that doesn't sit right with me.
No. We have ownership of our body and we have a right to choose what happens to it. That's a basic right. I wish everyone would donate their organs, but taking away that right isn't a good idea. Imagine what conversations that'll open up
I will be donating my organs. However it is nonetheless private matter, its their organs and body, hence only they can decide what happens. It raises huge ethical concerns if you can force somebody to donate their organs even if deceased.
While I strongly believe in organ donation and am registered as an organ donor, I think that people should have a right to decide what is done with their remains (within reason of course).
In all honesty I'm sure future generations will judge us as savages for not having it legally mandated. So many people suffer and die solely for the sake of "I'm not comfortable with it."
Kinda. I think it should be an opt-out time type thing, rather then opt-in. Otherwise, people will get upset about what happens to their loved one's bodies. Likely for religious reasons.
I don't think it should be mandatory. People ought to do it you're right. But people ought not be forced to do it either. It is still their body. And their right. In my opinion.
If you religious why the fuck you need it if you fuckers believe in heaven and isn't Christian thing to give something you don't need anymore to someone who needs it? You made a illogical statement.
@zoe2187 who know what's also not fair? Being selfish and keeping your organs when you are dead and won't be using them instead of giving to someone who can use it and will end up probably having their life saved because of it.
@ShaeNielson I don't know any other word to use besides violated to describe how I feel that doesn't sound so harsh. Also, isn't everyone selfish? We do things for ourselves at times. We can't all be unselfish all the time. I know my organs might save someone, and that it's a good thing, but it conflicts with how I feel about people using my organs. I don't want the government to mandate that my organs be used without my the decisions of my own free will. I can't even stand the thought of having surgery while I'm even alive.
Uh, surgery while you're dead shouldn't matter to you, because you're dead. And yes we do things for ourselves but that is not the same as holding on to our rotting organs when they could mean the difference between life and death to someone else.
@ShaeNielson It still helps with giving peace of mind. I'd be afraid of giving someone a piece of me that I've held onto for so long. I would prefer it to be a choice. If I feel safe enough to give away my organs, I would, but not if I am forced to give up my organs without a choice.
Fuck yeah, Cuz it is logical and resourceful as a society to use organs from dead fucks who don't need it anymore for obvious reasons and give it to people who are dire needs of it duh.
What if you can’t be an organ donor because of a medical condition? What good is it to make a law forcing you to be an organ donor if you organs are useless? Ever think about that?
@2tall2handle How horrible is that argument.. Most people have good organs that can be used, already there the law is great. The few who have bad organs will obviously not have their organs being used.
Some peoples' religion does not let that be okay and some people just don't want their organs to leave their body. Some people want to be buried whole.
I'm a transplant patient, I think it is just weird to make it mandated, just encourage it and besides we need encourage the medical industry to do better and find better alternatives.
It totally should. Why would you ever give a fuck about your organs once you're dead? It's litteraly all pros no cons. You save lives and you still look good in your casket, if that's important to you
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