I often hear from those who are anti abortion that they claim to support life.
What better way to show one is pro life than making organ donation mandatory. After death one doesn’t need the organs but there is a list of others that do.
Is it really about being ‘pro life’ or ‘pro-control of women’?
Yes organ donation should be mandatory. Save lives!
No , I believe organ donation should be a choice, but abortion should still be illegal just cause
No, I believe in choice whether abortion or organ donation
I am pro choice on abortion but support making organ donation mandatory.
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Update 1: I see that far more men have decided organ donation should be a choice but abortion should be illegal. As it’s long been known but most won’t admit those men hide behind anti abortion to control women. Any time someone suggests mandating those men do anything they throw a tantrum. So they really aren’t pro-life but pro-control.
Option C: No, I believe in choice whether abortion or organ donation.
I support abortion, as well as choices for most people involved in something heavy like this. I don't support mandatory organ donation, for several personal reasons. One of my reasons is that my body is sh*t and everything about it is defective, including my sh*tty blood type (A+). My organs going into another person would likely kill them, and even after death, I wouldn't want that on anyone. If anything, the best thing for me after death would be complete cremation, so this body can never hurt another person.
As for "‘pro life" people? They really are just anti-abortion, as I brought up before, because they also regularly engage in sex without reproduction which is hypocritical (condoms and morning after pills being a form of abortion itself) and also do not support paying taxes to help single mothers or the children of those single mothers. So they want to control people's bodies, but also don't want to lift a finger to ensure those children will be safe after birth with things like daycare programs and helping single moms find work. That is not "pro life."
I hate politics but the pro-life BS from the right is just as bad as the mandatory vax BS from the left. Work on your own life first before trying to force your BS onto others.
I agree with you on the abortion thing. But I don't know, donating blood is a bit iffy. It can be more easily compared to making vaccination mandatory. I'm not an antivaxer but I think that donating blood is maybe less urgent? I mean there are still a lot of people that need blood. But I think it's on a different part of the freedom spectrum.
If you make blood donation mandatory, would you for example make organ donation when dying mandatory? I don't know... Hmm.
Hmm. Interesting idea. I can see how this makes sense, but also how many would object. Your point about abortion and organ donation is spot on. 💯 That is absolute hypocrisy, you're right.
I voted C, "I believe in choice." I am a registered organ donor, and I am pro choice. I will not be forced into doing anything, especially with my body. But I think very hard about doing the right thing, not just for me, but for others often as well.
The problem here, on a logistical level, is that the planet is already overpopulated and we're expected to reach the highest levels ever in history, in the soon coming years. We are keeping too many people alive through big pharma and extraordinary measures because death is so awful. But death is a part of life. More people living means a worse life in the aggregate. More babies to those who cannot actually take good care and raise children through all their educational needs, and more organs means more adults stay alive. The system is already overtaxed, not enough resources, and automation is taking away jobs. So, I'm a no on anti-abortion and mandatory organ donation.
No. It is your body including organs and womb. How you leave this Earth should be up to the individual, and you surely also decide what is going on inside your body. But making an active decision about donating should be mandatory. It should not just be default that you are not donating organs and need to actively find and sign up for it. Everyone should at a certain age be presented with the choice with relevant information and have some time limit to decide yes or no. Maybe at 18 (16 if getting a drivers licence), and once again at 25 when more mature. It is so helpful and the best 'treatment' in many cases to get a new organ, and many organs are lost because people did not even genuinely consider to donate.
So, anytime a man disagrees with you, there is something pathological about him? Could it be that sometimes, guys are right? And sometimes, people are disagreeing about matters of opinion on which reasonable minds can differ?
No organ donation shouldn’t be mandatory it’s your choice what to do with your own body.
Abortion isn’t the equivalent of forced organ donation for 1 the baby is a separate being from you. Or do women have 20 fingers and toes when there pregnant? If the child is a male does the women now have a penis? If not the child is a separate being from the mother and she doesn’t have the right to kill it.
also organ donation is a permanent removal of an organ like a kidney or a lung. Caring a baby is your womb is not permanent after about 9 months the child will be out of your body and then you have the option of being a mother or giving the child up for adoption.
also no one is forcing women to get pregnant If your sexually active you have the option of Using birth control make use your on the pill and make sure the guy your having sex with is wearing a condom, Your other option of course is simply don’t have sex.
I swear you pro death people make up the stupidest excuse on why you have the need to kill someone.
The real debate on abortion will never get anywhere as long as one side says it is murder and the other says it is not.
It is actually a debate on if killing a helpless human being should be legal, as a choice or if it isn't a human at all and instead a parasite to be exterminated.
Nothing to do with control or not, unless trying to stop killing or murdering someone is about control.
I suppose you could say it is about control if you mean controlling others to stop death is considered controlling someone.
I say this as someone who supports unfettered easy access to the morning after pill, thus virtually eliminating the need for abortions afterwards. I know others consider anything after conception abortion though because they say life starts at conception.
I am a organ donor now, but the one death I've witnessed in life, seemed like it would of been better had she not been. As she suffered and died. They couldn't ease her pain very much with morphine or other pain killers, because it would "damage" her organs to be donated later. Hell I would of given her well over max doses to ease the pain as she passed, but doctors said that was not an option in order to preserve the organs.
That scares the hell out of me, that I could have to suffer longer in pain so someone else can have my organs, I want my passing to be painless and quick.
Then of course the stories about them declaring you dead before you actually are, to harvest organs, when you could come back. Do not know if there is truth to that.
No it's the right of everyone to do as they choose, it's no one's obligation to donate their organs and one should not be ordered or forced or laws passed to do so, each of us has a right to live our lives as we see best for us and all rest of world can should do is respect that, is it a moral obligation no it's a personal decision to make we are not here to impose our views on anyone, but they're they're are those who cares little about mortality, there are those of us who do what is morally and decent towards society and always will, but imposing mandatory statues is not right we all know right from wrong don't need to be forced to do either but respect ones decision to do one or the other, other wise where will it end on making controlling a person's life will it be mandatory to report on your neighbors activities weekly or your own,
I'm pro choice. When it comes to organ donation, in my country every citizen is an organ donor by default, although there is an op-out system. You need to indicate that you don't want to be an organ donor (instead of indicating you want to be an organ donor).
While I think that there sometimes might be good alternatives for abortion, such as adoption, I think the free choice is more important. I'm not in favour of abortion, especially not up to 24 weeks in pregnancy (as is possible in my country), but I'm very opposed to making it illegal as that will affect women, their freedom and their choices. Restricting women's rights isn't right.
Rationally I would want mandatory organ-donation because I see no real reason to waste good organs that would otherwise just rot away in the ground or get incinerated. But as I am not religious I couldn't make that decision for those that are or believe it to be in the way of their way of life.
This is just human nature, we aren't all rationally leaning or have had the upbringing that spawned scientific points of view of life. And we'll probably never be just one way in that regard. So we shouldn't make so uniform decisions on others lives.
When it comes to abortion however, it all comes down where you draw the line, when is a lump of coordinating cells a human baby? And since life is cruel either way, nature is cruel and regulation is about making balance between what's right and what works to be able to live in peace together as a society. You don't get that by forcing people into boxes.
Abortion is the direct killing of life and is wrong. It is not about "controlling" women, but about protecting an innocent baby who cannot defend themselves when the woman made the choice to have sex. Even in the case of rape there is adoption after because the baby did not do anything wrong.
As for organ donation, there is no immediate obligation to anyone. You did not choose to perform the act that brought that person to life or put them in their situation. If my organs went to one person, there would be another person who would still die for not receiving that organ. What makes one person more valuable than another? Also, there are some religions that believe that any desecration to the body after death dooms the deceased or shows lack of faith.
I think the asker is saying they want to mutilate the aborted children and use their organs to put into people that need a transplant. Ok! Now you've really pissed me off. It's bad enough the baby was murdered and now doctors are getting the baby like a fish so they can make a lot of money using the aborted child's organs. That is SICK, that is Disgusting, and the people that are participating in doing this horrible thing to a poor little baby that didn't get to give it's voice if they wanted to be murdered and mutilated after the murder took place. You should be ashamed! And stop with the word "MANDATE" word! It does NOT belong in the context when it comes to forcing humans to have to give someone else parts of their body. You people are sicko's and need to be put in a psychiatric hospital because you are sick mentally and need to be dealt with! 👿 that's you, an evil devil. You make me sick! 👎
I'm pro choice, a woman should be able to choose what does on with her body and luckily in the uk it is still legal.
I'm also pro choice when it comes to organ donation, I personally would not want someone else's organs even if I was dying, it freaks me out and I also I have opted out of sharing my organs.
I don't think it should be mandatory, but I think it should be default unless you have like a religious or personal preference. When you get your driver's license, you could check a box that says, I do NOT want to be an organ donor, instead of an opt in box.
I think it's a good concept and it's often the youngest and healthiest that think themselves most invulnerable to car crashes and death. Most people don't think about organ donation until long after they have prime donatables.
I'm not half as concerned about the organ donation per se as I am about the profit motive of organ harvesting being done too early, possibly before lifesaving treatments have been fully used on the patient. Put another way, there are inducements for (criminal) doctors to report patients as "dead" just so they can get their hands on viable organs.
Okay that is definitely an interesting take on the question. I am uncertain though if it applies after death. This would be an interesting question for lawyers!
According to the latest biology knowledge, the pregnancy happens after two people make their CHOICE to have sex (except for rape). So abortion is like "take-back-button" that ignores the right to choose of the unborn child. I understand people want to live a life free from any esponsibilities but sometimes we have to deal with direct consequences of our actions.
Abortion is about taking lives, while organ donation is about saving them. How can you be for one but not the other? I am an organ donor on my driver's license, any one they want to take. But good thing they don't do brain transplants because the one who got mine would be declared brain dead.
@Neko_Nya yes, there’s actually a community dedicated to people who were almost killed for their organs by hospitals who valued their organs more than their lives.
Seek them out at your own risk…those memories were horrifying..
Anything that takes away bodily autonomy shouldn't be mandatory. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory either, but to participate in certain things they always (since their existence) have been and should be.
Abortion allows a woman to control her own body. Forcing a woman to carry a child is the same as forced live organ donation. A lot of men want control over a woman's body and that is why they want abortion illegal.
No, I think it should be a choice. Making it mandatory would be to assume people aren't kind enough to make the decision themselves, which is not true. Several people that I know gave their organs (I'm not sure which ones) to complete strangers. I myself am not a donor, but I've given a lot of blood, since I have O-.
Do you want to talk organ donation or abortion? The two basically have nothing to do with each other and you trying to "tie" them together is just bizarre.
Now, to answer the title of the post. Of course not. It is our own flesh and blood and we cannot be forced by the state have organs removed and given to others. Besides... enough people donate on their own that this isn't even an issue.
I love when, in an attempt to PWN pro-lifers people end up shtting all over their own arguments for being pro-choice. (pssst thats how you know people have no principles, they never actually thought through their beliefs they just repeat what they're supposed to say).
All of these pwns usually boil down to the very sexist belief that 1. Women are incapable of keeping their legs close. 2. Sex is a requirement for female existence (men can eff off who cares if they get some meat sleeve).
I don't donate. After my uncle passed they took his organs and they charged us over 200,000 for removing them and everything else. They don't talk about the bills you're hit with... we need a universal Healthcare system.
Im prolife and im all for donating organs. I've never voluntarily signed up for it but if asked, i wouldn't mind. Its not like i can do anything with em once gone. But it would be nice if family and friends could be at the top of the list for it
Donating your organs should be mandatory. What the hell else are you going to do with your organs once you’re dead? Don’t be selfish when someone else could clearly have more use for it than you do when you’re dead 😆
Well the reason abortion is restricted is under the guise of ‘pro life’. But what seems to be interesting is any other policy that has pro life implications (such as organ donation) or abolishing the death penalty.. well those who claim to be pro life have tunnel vision focusing on abortion only.
Because those people still have freedoms to go to other states for abortion. There’s no indicator that being an organ donor makes you pro life. Actually On my license, when I was an organ donor at the time I was pro choice when I first turned 18.
I am an organ donor as well and in that sense I would consider myself pro-life as if something happened to me I would hope someone could be saved. But that’s just my view.
Also while women may have the freedom to travel to other states it is a massive inconvenience for women only designed under ‘pro life’.
I don’t see traveling to a different state as an inconvenience. People have been doing it no problem during the pandemic. Also if your views of abortion of pro choice, which you haven’t specified, then you aren’t pro life
Also you supporting abortion pretty much cancels out anything else you are trying prove. You can’t try to enforce others to be organ donors meanwhile you are pro choice
Idc what you are, you aren’t pro life however. You don’t need to go back and fourth. Making you pro choice for abortion doesn’t make you pro life at any expense
If you aren’t pro life in the most simplest form which is abortion, then you aren’t pro life. If you don’t like my views, you don’t need to reply back. You are choosing to reply back. You wanted to argue about this and it’s clear
And you are choosing to argue back, so just shut up if you aren’t a fan of the convo here. Damn the immaturity of people not being able to literally stop replying when they don’t want to converse anymore
Because where did I ever say I didn’t want to converse anymore? It’s you that said it, yet you still want to argue and have been arguing with everyone disagreeing with you. Christ people on this site are morons
Or maybe your views are just wrong and you don’t want to admit it? Who is restricting your rights? Your whole post is YOU wanting to restrict other peoples rights that AREN’T even hurting others. Not being an organ donor is not hurting anyone
What you just said makes absolutely no sense once again. Just because you are guilty of being pro life doesn’t mean you making up for it by being an organ donor makes you pro life. Not being an organ donor doesn’t put anyone at risk. Being pro choice puts majority of babies at risk. Your views are wrong and you know it. By the way, I respect any person with any view they have. I just don’t respect people that know their stance is wrong and then try’s to justify it with other crap. It’s like a racist person saying “but I have friends that are black, so I can’t be racist”
You are so guilty of being pro choice you want to take away peoples rights that aren’t even bothering anyone just so they can further more prove that they are pro life
Of course I was guilty of being pro choice. I supported the choice of killing off life. My views changed. Me projecting? Absolutely not. It’s your view of the fact that you complain of others restricting your rights, yet you want to restrict other peoples rights that don’t even bother you or affect anyone else so they can further prove “how much of a pro life they are” you said it those are your words
Actually I felt guilty only because killing is a Bible sin and I changed my views because I don’t want to go to hell. That’s not projection. You wanting to limit peoples rights because of how you personally feel about your definition of pro life is projection and guilt
Just because you don’t believe in the Bible, doesn’t mean I don’t lol again another view you are trying to push onto people. Texas didn’t ban abortion for no reason.
Um this is a web based question where people can come and go like they please so nothing is pushed either way unlike the annoying Jehovah Witnesses that used to come by pushing their views until I told them I was a witch.
Did I say I was Jehovah witness? And apparently you don’t want others to feel how they please because you have been arguing with people on this post that don’t agree or your definition of pro life and you trying to limit other peoples rights to fit your selfish view of what you think being pro life is all about
That’s not what you are implying here. And you also mentioned that I can twist the Bible to whatever I want when the Bible clearly mentions that killing is a sin.
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.”
I guess it’s easy to pick and choose which verses should be followed and which should mean something. Christians sin like everyone else but I guess it isn’t serious enough for eye gouging lol.
For that matter.. on a planet full of sinners one wonders who really perpetuates it if people continue being born.
If god trips someone and they fall in mud God can just accuse that person of being filthy.
Anyway good to know with the abortion I had that’s one less person born in a filthy, sinful world, right?
You realize there’s more versus that prove killing is a sin more than what you just decided to copy and paste off of google. And you sound like a piece of shit honestly
You realize once again there’s more than just that about murder in the Bible , but yet you are just google finding copying and pasting. You were being nice or are you just losing this argument?
Honestly why would you even care about the Bible being burned is when two of the most important verses for the New Testament you were completely oblivious to?
I have no idea? Dude I’m literally reading the Bible. I study it lol I know what you posted and I let you know those verses aren’t the only ones that mention killing in the Bible.
And clearly it’s important to YOU to win the argument because you have been mentioning for the past two hours of you wanting to leave the argument and you still have yet to
Why do I need to fight with you about the Bible? You don’t believe in it. And I am here to simply show you how full of shit you are with your arguments
You can make whatever choice you want for yourself as long as you aren’t forcing your will on someone or directly harming them. This applies to masks, vaccinations, drugs and alcohol use, abortion, blood and organ donation, etc.
well, perhaps people should get a bounty reward for donations? Although if all goes well for most people, they die of old age and their organs are not worth it at that point.
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Here in the UK, it basically is by the means of an 'opt out' system so you actively have to not be an organ donor
I'm not because mine are mostly wrecked but I do want my brain, extracted, placed in a jar and preserved in formaldehyde
There's a wave of morons like you around. The majority of the Democrat party today polls that they want to lock people in camps and take away their children for not getting experimental vaccines that have known serious life threatening side effects. Many of you will have major health issues in the coming years, that will potentially lead you to being on organ donor lists. I wouldn't want to be responsible for saving your life and ensuring you exist to push tyranny on innocent people.
Sure... I've seen the polling numbers jackass. You tripling down on idiocy just hardens my resolve. It's a numbers game, and I would potentially save up to 8 of people like you in the event of an accident. It's not something I'm comfortable with.
You do realize that political viewpoint isn’t considered part of donation eligibility. If you want to take yourself of donor registration be aware you’re just as likely if not more to kill off those with your own views.
For thus says the Lord: “Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken, and the prey of the tyrant be rescued, for I will contend with those who contend with you, and I will save your children.
I have given up a bag of blood every month since the turn of the century. But my state won’t allow it to be used as a donor. Even though the neighboring state will use it. So I don’t think that they would allow my organs to be used.
Make it mandatory for antiabortion people. If women have to give their organs against their will so the unborn can survive, so should antiabortion people give their organs against their will so people in need can survive
For the stupid people who says the fetus ain't her organ. We are talkikg about uterus idiots. Fetus can't survive without the uterus and women dont have to give their organ uterus
No; because by that logic they could start murdering people to get their organs to save the life of some rich drunk or debauchee whose irresponsible lifestyle brought him to the doors of death.
Its a decision people should make from the kindness of their own heart. Not just that but if it were mandatory, more organs would be harvested than needed
Replying to the update: Just to be clear on my side; I'm not pro- or anti- anything. I just feel like everyone should have a choice of their own on how or what to do with their life. I said abortion should n0t be illegal because it should be the choice of the parents to have a child when they want and not have one when they don't want. Trust me, overpopulation is a serious issue. Unintentional overpopulation can be traumatising...
You don't desecrate the dead. People will kill each other over that. If it's somebody's wish that they not be dismembered after death, you should respect that. I heard that sometimes they will let you die if you have "donor" on your license.
No, organ donation should be mandatory. I don't care about people's imagined "bodily autonomy". You want bodily autonomy? Go live in the woods away from civilization. Until then, your decisions affect the collective and should be regulated as such.
Lol. So let’s take those live cells out. At day 1 of pregnancy then. Since you said we’re both human and alive right? They’ll look exactly like us right? At day one of pregnancy? So she can give birth by day one.
Lol. You’re the one who demonstrated his stupidity by admitting dead people have more rights than women 😂 you obviously don’t understand the concept of bodily autonomy. You don’t even know the difference between baby and fetus.
I agree with Angie. Men who have no qualms forcing a woman using her body to support another life but at the same time unwilling to mandate everyone to sign up for organ donation are not pro life.. they are pro control of women.
Gawd forbid these men ever have to sacrifice anything to help others.
@redstilleto88 Agreed. Someone like him would be against an organ donation mandate. He’s probably also pro-death penalty and against universal healthcare.
Mandatory organ donation will overwhelm the system, bc the number of deaths will exceed organ domination requirements. Most harvest organs will end up being destroyed and cost the state millions of dollars each year.
I am sure there is a way where it would not overwhelm the system where only the organs that are needed to save a life would be harvested if it is a match.
3,400,000 people die each year in the US. Approx 105,000 people are awaiting organ transplant/year. The system will get 10000% get overwhelm and the cost for harvesting and storing organs which will never be used will run into the billions of dollars annually.
Again organs would not be harvested unless there is an immediate need for one. I am unsure where you are getting the image that everyone’s organs are harvested upon death.
It’s only when there is an immediate need for one.
Forced organ donation would be to take from people against their wishes, similar to the perception of abortion. There's no contradiction here, only a strawman.
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