I often hear from those who are anti abortion that they claim to support life.
What better way to show one is pro life than making organ donation mandatory. After death one doesn’t need the organs but there is a list of others that do.
Is it really about being ‘pro life’ or ‘pro-control of women’?
Yes organ donation should be mandatory. Save lives!
No , I believe organ donation should be a choice, but abortion should still be illegal just cause
No, I believe in choice whether abortion or organ donation
I am pro choice on abortion but support making organ donation mandatory.
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Update 1: I see that far more men have decided organ donation should be a choice but abortion should be illegal. As it’s long been known but most won’t admit those men hide behind anti abortion to control women. Any time someone suggests mandating those men do anything they throw a tantrum. So they really aren’t pro-life but pro-control.
Option C: No, I believe in choice whether abortion or organ donation.
I support abortion, as well as choices for most people involved in something heavy like this. I don't support mandatory organ donation, for several personal reasons. One of my reasons is that my body is sh*t and everything about it is defective, including my sh*tty blood type (A+). My organs going into another person would likely kill them, and even after death, I wouldn't want that on anyone. If anything, the best thing for me after death would be complete cremation, so this body can never hurt another person.
As for "‘pro life" people? They really are just anti-abortion, as I brought up before, because they also regularly engage in sex without reproduction which is hypocritical (condoms and morning after pills being a form of abortion itself) and also do not support paying taxes to help single mothers or the children of those single mothers. So they want to control people's bodies, but also don't want to lift a finger to ensure those children will be safe after birth with things like daycare programs and helping single moms find work. That is not "pro life."
I hate politics but the pro-life BS from the right is just as bad as the mandatory vax BS from the left. Work on your own life first before trying to force your BS onto others.
I agree with you on the abortion thing. But I don't know, donating blood is a bit iffy. It can be more easily compared to making vaccination mandatory. I'm not an antivaxer but I think that donating blood is maybe less urgent? I mean there are still a lot of people that need blood. But I think it's on a different part of the freedom spectrum.
If you make blood donation mandatory, would you for example make organ donation when dying mandatory? I don't know... Hmm.
Hmm. Interesting idea. I can see how this makes sense, but also how many would object. Your point about abortion and organ donation is spot on. 💯 That is absolute hypocrisy, you're right.
I voted C, "I believe in choice." I am a registered organ donor, and I am pro choice. I will not be forced into doing anything, especially with my body. But I think very hard about doing the right thing, not just for me, but for others often as well.
The problem here, on a logistical level, is that the planet is already overpopulated and we're expected to reach the highest levels ever in history, in the soon coming years. We are keeping too many people alive through big pharma and extraordinary measures because death is so awful. But death is a part of life. More people living means a worse life in the aggregate. More babies to those who cannot actually take good care and raise children through all their educational needs, and more organs means more adults stay alive. The system is already overtaxed, not enough resources, and automation is taking away jobs. So, I'm a no on anti-abortion and mandatory organ donation.
No. It is your body including organs and womb. How you leave this Earth should be up to the individual, and you surely also decide what is going on inside your body. But making an active decision about donating should be mandatory. It should not just be default that you are not donating organs and need to actively find and sign up for it. Everyone should at a certain age be presented with the choice with relevant information and have some time limit to decide yes or no. Maybe at 18 (16 if getting a drivers licence), and once again at 25 when more mature. It is so helpful and the best 'treatment' in many cases to get a new organ, and many organs are lost because people did not even genuinely consider to donate.
So, anytime a man disagrees with you, there is something pathological about him? Could it be that sometimes, guys are right? And sometimes, people are disagreeing about matters of opinion on which reasonable minds can differ?
No organ donation shouldn’t be mandatory it’s your choice what to do with your own body.
Abortion isn’t the equivalent of forced organ donation for 1 the baby is a separate being from you. Or do women have 20 fingers and toes when there pregnant? If the child is a male does the women now have a penis? If not the child is a separate being from the mother and she doesn’t have the right to kill it.
also organ donation is a permanent removal of an organ like a kidney or a lung. Caring a baby is your womb is not permanent after about 9 months the child will be out of your body and then you have the option of being a mother or giving the child up for adoption.
also no one is forcing women to get pregnant If your sexually active you have the option of Using birth control make use your on the pill and make sure the guy your having sex with is wearing a condom, Your other option of course is simply don’t have sex.
I swear you pro death people make up the stupidest excuse on why you have the need to kill someone.
The real debate on abortion will never get anywhere as long as one side says it is murder and the other says it is not.
It is actually a debate on if killing a helpless human being should be legal, as a choice or if it isn't a human at all and instead a parasite to be exterminated.
Nothing to do with control or not, unless trying to stop killing or murdering someone is about control.
I suppose you could say it is about control if you mean controlling others to stop death is considered controlling someone.
I say this as someone who supports unfettered easy access to the morning after pill, thus virtually eliminating the need for abortions afterwards. I know others consider anything after conception abortion though because they say life starts at conception.
I am a organ donor now, but the one death I've witnessed in life, seemed like it would of been better had she not been. As she suffered and died. They couldn't ease her pain very much with morphine or other pain killers, because it would "damage" her organs to be donated later. Hell I would of given her well over max doses to ease the pain as she passed, but doctors said that was not an option in order to preserve the organs.
That scares the hell out of me, that I could have to suffer longer in pain so someone else can have my organs, I want my passing to be painless and quick.
Then of course the stories about them declaring you dead before you actually are, to harvest organs, when you could come back. Do not know if there is truth to that.
No it's the right of everyone to do as they choose, it's no one's obligation to donate their organs and one should not be ordered or forced or laws passed to do so, each of us has a right to live our lives as we see best for us and all rest of world can should do is respect that, is it a moral obligation no it's a personal decision to make we are not here to impose our views on anyone, but they're they're are those who cares little about mortality, there are those of us who do what is morally and decent towards society and always will, but imposing mandatory statues is not right we all know right from wrong don't need to be forced to do either but respect ones decision to do one or the other, other wise where will it end on making controlling a person's life will it be mandatory to report on your neighbors activities weekly or your own,
I'm pro choice. When it comes to organ donation, in my country every citizen is an organ donor by default, although there is an op-out system. You need to indicate that you don't want to be an organ donor (instead of indicating you want to be an organ donor).
While I think that there sometimes might be good alternatives for abortion, such as adoption, I think the free choice is more important. I'm not in favour of abortion, especially not up to 24 weeks in pregnancy (as is possible in my country), but I'm very opposed to making it illegal as that will affect women, their freedom and their choices. Restricting women's rights isn't right.
Rationally I would want mandatory organ-donation because I see no real reason to waste good organs that would otherwise just rot away in the ground or get incinerated. But as I am not religious I couldn't make that decision for those that are or believe it to be in the way of their way of life.
This is just human nature, we aren't all rationally leaning or have had the upbringing that spawned scientific points of view of life. And we'll probably never be just one way in that regard. So we shouldn't make so uniform decisions on others lives.
When it comes to abortion however, it all comes down where you draw the line, when is a lump of coordinating cells a human baby? And since life is cruel either way, nature is cruel and regulation is about making balance between what's right and what works to be able to live in peace together as a society. You don't get that by forcing people into boxes.
Abortion is the direct killing of life and is wrong. It is not about "controlling" women, but about protecting an innocent baby who cannot defend themselves when the woman made the choice to have sex. Even in the case of rape there is adoption after because the baby did not do anything wrong.
As for organ donation, there is no immediate obligation to anyone. You did not choose to perform the act that brought that person to life or put them in their situation. If my organs went to one person, there would be another person who would still die for not receiving that organ. What makes one person more valuable than another? Also, there are some religions that believe that any desecration to the body after death dooms the deceased or shows lack of faith.
I think the asker is saying they want to mutilate the aborted children and use their organs to put into people that need a transplant. Ok! Now you've really pissed me off. It's bad enough the baby was murdered and now doctors are getting the baby like a fish so they can make a lot of money using the aborted child's organs. That is SICK, that is Disgusting, and the people that are participating in doing this horrible thing to a poor little baby that didn't get to give it's voice if they wanted to be murdered and mutilated after the murder took place. You should be ashamed! And stop with the word "MANDATE" word! It does NOT belong in the context when it comes to forcing humans to have to give someone else parts of their body. You people are sicko's and need to be put in a psychiatric hospital because you are sick mentally and need to be dealt with! 👿 that's you, an evil devil. You make me sick! 👎
I'm pro choice, a woman should be able to choose what does on with her body and luckily in the uk it is still legal.
I'm also pro choice when it comes to organ donation, I personally would not want someone else's organs even if I was dying, it freaks me out and I also I have opted out of sharing my organs.
I don't think it should be mandatory, but I think it should be default unless you have like a religious or personal preference. When you get your driver's license, you could check a box that says, I do NOT want to be an organ donor, instead of an opt in box.
I think it's a good concept and it's often the youngest and healthiest that think themselves most invulnerable to car crashes and death. Most people don't think about organ donation until long after they have prime donatables.
I'm not half as concerned about the organ donation per se as I am about the profit motive of organ harvesting being done too early, possibly before lifesaving treatments have been fully used on the patient. Put another way, there are inducements for (criminal) doctors to report patients as "dead" just so they can get their hands on viable organs.
Okay that is definitely an interesting take on the question. I am uncertain though if it applies after death. This would be an interesting question for lawyers!
According to the latest biology knowledge, the pregnancy happens after two people make their CHOICE to have sex (except for rape). So abortion is like "take-back-button" that ignores the right to choose of the unborn child. I understand people want to live a life free from any esponsibilities but sometimes we have to deal with direct consequences of our actions.
Abortion is about taking lives, while organ donation is about saving them. How can you be for one but not the other? I am an organ donor on my driver's license, any one they want to take. But good thing they don't do brain transplants because the one who got mine would be declared brain dead.
@Neko_Nya yes, there’s actually a community dedicated to people who were almost killed for their organs by hospitals who valued their organs more than their lives.
Seek them out at your own risk…those memories were horrifying..
Anything that takes away bodily autonomy shouldn't be mandatory. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory either, but to participate in certain things they always (since their existence) have been and should be.
Abortion allows a woman to control her own body. Forcing a woman to carry a child is the same as forced live organ donation. A lot of men want control over a woman's body and that is why they want abortion illegal.
No, I think it should be a choice. Making it mandatory would be to assume people aren't kind enough to make the decision themselves, which is not true. Several people that I know gave their organs (I'm not sure which ones) to complete strangers. I myself am not a donor, but I've given a lot of blood, since I have O-.
Do you want to talk organ donation or abortion? The two basically have nothing to do with each other and you trying to "tie" them together is just bizarre.
Now, to answer the title of the post. Of course not. It is our own flesh and blood and we cannot be forced by the state have organs removed and given to others. Besides... enough people donate on their own that this isn't even an issue.
I love when, in an attempt to PWN pro-lifers people end up shtting all over their own arguments for being pro-choice. (pssst thats how you know people have no principles, they never actually thought through their beliefs they just repeat what they're supposed to say).
All of these pwns usually boil down to the very sexist belief that 1. Women are incapable of keeping their legs close. 2. Sex is a requirement for female existence (men can eff off who cares if they get some meat sleeve).
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