It's Official the METOO Movement has been discredited. What do you think about the newly leaked photo of Asia after having sex with a minor?

[Anonymous]

The METOO Movement has been completely discredited.

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There is no longer any doubt. The pictures prove Asia's wrong doing.

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Asia's friend at the Guardian just released a news report defending her.

www.theguardian.com/.../metoo-victim-asia-argento-jimmy-bennett

Look at her attempts to instill doubt among people. The Guardian is fake news.

[CauseNEffect]

Trying to discredit the kid because he got obsessed. Yes, this can happen when you sleep with young people as an adult, they are not emotionally prepared and they get attached.

She needs to own what happened and not to try and pass off the blame. Adults take responsibility, even when the truth is inconvenient.

[Asker]

The #metoo movement has fallen. Most people no longer believe in the metoo movement anymore.

[BlueCoyote]

He's not a minor.

Asia Argento is Italian and lives in Italy.
The legal age of consent in Italy is 14. He is 17.

What she did was perfectly legal - and it would have been in many other European countries.

[BlueCoyote]

Also, her lover consented to the things they did. That is entirely different from harassing someone.

[Asker]

Even you don't believe in what you're saying.

[4pple]

He is still a minor if he's under 18, being above the age of consent doesn't make someone an adult, and age of consent doesn't mean that a 30 year old can have sex with a 15 year old (example), age of consent also falls under specific age limitations, for example in my home country age of consent is 16, but you must be within 4 years of the youngest person if that person is still under 18. So if you're 20 and have sex with a 17 year old it's legally okay, if they all consented (and in my country also if their parents agreed to it), but if you're 25 it's considered illegal and will be treated as statutory rape.

[BlueCoyote]

@4pple
You don't seem to understand how the age of consent works. Once you are over the age of consent, you can legally have sex with ANYONE and ANYONE can have legally sex with you.

The close-in rule is something different. It deals teenagers who are UNDER the age of consent. Its purpose is to avoid criminalizing regular teenage relationships.
For example if the age of consent is 16, a 14-year old and a 17-year old can have sex with each other because they are only 3 years apart (despite the fact that one of them is under the legal age of consent).
Once both partners over it, this close-in rule does not apply or matter anymore. So yes, a 50-year old can have legally sex with a 14-year old in Italy. They cannot, however, have sex with a 13-year old because that would only be legal for an individual who is in close proximity age-wise.

[BlueCoyote]

@asker
I do believe it because contrary to you, I have done my research.

[BlueCoyote]

@4pple
Also, a minor is not someone under the age of 18 but someone under the age of consent.

As for statuary rape, I quote:
"Age of consent refers to the legally defined age at which a person is no longer required to obtain parental consent to get married. It also refers to the age at which a person is held to have the capacity to voluntarily agree to sexual intercourse. (...) Statutory rape is sex between an adult and a minor below the age of consent."
https://definitions.uslegal.com/a/age-of-consent/

Again: statuary rape is sex between an adult and a minor BELOW the age of consent.

This guy was NOT below the age of consent. He is well above it.

P. s.
Here in Switzerland, until recently, prostitution was legal starting from the age of 16. That's because the age of consent is 16 here. This is a good way to explain to you that the close-in rule has nothing to do with couples over the age of consent. That's why 60-year old men could legally visit a 16-year old prostitute.

[bubble_tea]

But he is American, and it happened in the US. So maybe it was not perfectly legal?

[ChronicThinker]

It's appalling.

[Asker]

But it does highlight a double standard. This proves that metoo female supporters are hypocritical.

[ChronicThinker]

It does.

[nightdrot]

It may be a bit much to extrapolate that all of METOO is discredited by one episode involving one individual - or I guess two individuals. Still, it is certainly the case that this shows the dangers of a political or social movement getting too caught up in a sense of self-righteous indignation.

The ancient Greeks called it hubris. The METOO movement took a perfectly valid issue and lost all sight of the nuances and complexities of that issue. They attributed virtue not to their position, but to all women AS women, neglecting that women, being imperfect, were apt to commit crimes too.

Having thus attributed to themselves all purity and no vice, the movement immediately made itself vulnerable to charges of hypocrisy the instant - and it was bound to happen as surely as night follows day - a woman was discovered to have been less than a paragon of virtue. The old Biblical admonition about he (or she) who has not sinned cast the first stone pops to mind.

Having said all that, the question-cum-statement goes too far. To suggest that METOO is discredited because not every woman met the ideal of the injured innocent is to place on the evidence more weight than it will bear.

Although workplace sexual harassment is probably not as common as the media attention might suggest, that is not to say that it is not a problem and that certain sensible and prudent protections should not be put in place. in this METOO had - and has - a reasonable point. It's failure being that it took that point past prudence into self-righteous arrogance.

There but for the grace of God go we all. It is not likely, but it is to be hoped that from this episode the culture will learn the collective lesson about the need for prudence, discernment and moderation. As George Herbert once said, "Be calm in arguing. For fierceness makes truth an affront and error unpardonable."

[madhatters4]

this discredits asia argento. not a movement who has not supported her but specifically condemned her since these revelations

[Asker]

I disagree completely. The movement itself is corrupt.

[madhatters4]

the movement simply allows people to voice their experience under a #metoo. how exactly is that corrupt?

that's like saying the suicide hotline is corrupt because someone calls it say i'm suicidal when they are not

[Asker]

The movement is corrupt because the leaders of the movement are using this movement as a way to disguise their wrong doing and then they reassure people that the movement is a way to voice your concerns about sexual assault. I disagree this movement is a conspiracy to cover up the sexual assault crimes of hypocritical female leaders.

The leadership is completely hypocritical. Whenever a male victim is a sexual assault victim, no one cares.

[madhatters4]

asia argento was not a leader of the movement. she was prominent figure because of her celebrity but that's it. the leadership is tarana burke a social activist who openly condemned argento on Monday. alyssa milano popularized the hashtag. aside from that there is no organized leadership.

there is a lot of criticism to be cast regarding not recognizing sex workers, some people making potentially false claims but Argento is the ONLY person thus far associated with the movement to be found out as an abuser

[madhatters4]

in your efforts to chastise an organization you disagree with (which is fine) you resort to opinion based arguments framed as facts. hyperbolic speech not rooted in reality but your rather your desired outcome. just stick to the facts.

[likelyOK]

Right this guy is sicko to condemn a bunch of other women when rape and assault are clearly an issue

[4pple]

"it was all on snapchat. Disappeared"
Everything sent on snapchat is stored in their servers, so it's always possible to get access of it, she's just trying to lie her way out.

[bloodmountain1990]

Nope if anything it shows that METOO is working and for both genders. Both genders doing it is wrong and should equally be punished.

[Asker]

I disagree. There is a double standard.

[bloodmountain1990]

Sadly there is.

[Bandit74]

I think she should receive the same kind of judgment and punishment that a 40 year old male would for sleeping with a minor.

[RedThread]

Could this have been a factor behind Anthony Bourdain's suicide?

[koolkapy]

she is a pedophile no matter what anyone says, did she really thought it was an adult with that handwriting lol excuses from bitch pig pedo

[Anonymous]

Seems nothing illegal about it. i dont know the age of consent in puritan america though.

[Anonymous]

It should be torn asunder.

Not cuz of that alone, but because of all the men whose lives were ruined from false rape claims

[Anonymous]

Abusers are happy now