I think that. They whine about women as if they themselves were worthy of a good relationship (and weren't, mostly, a bunch of insecure males who could offer very little to a possible girlfriend).
I can get some of their "questions", the modern culture of hedonism, materialism and egocentrism is really despicable. But I know the good women are suffering with that too, so why should we direct anger at them?
I think it's like a stepping stone to incels, which are obviously a ridiculously hateful group and should classed as terrorist since they are now driving vans into crowds to further their agenda, like ISIS does
it used to be if you were bad at dating you'd be miserable alone and eventually get of your ass and do something about it. But with the internet people who bad at dating can talk to each other and convince each other it's not their fault, its everyone elses
@ElBandito Well if we're gonna follow that approach most ISIS members are just people who want to make a living and not see their family killed by drone strikes instead of being (or freedom fighters as they would call themselves)
I entirely understand that terrorists are made by circumstance. BUT that does mean what they're doing is somehow excusable or that need to feel sorry for them
@ElBandito everyone can get a girl if they try it is just the internet has created a new generation of these morons with no social skills at all and I am online too much too we all are and I would much rather unplug because the internet is bad for a lot of things we just have to learn to live with the net and not overdo it
yes i get your point of view. but comparing a buch of losers online to a terrorist groupe that have done conteless murders/crime against humanity and invaded lands is just funny to me. waht i mean is one IS WAY worst that the other :D
@RideTheRedWave Well bein online helps a lot to share and learn about new things. they use it to not imprve their shitty personnality and stay in their negativity. i'm sure they are the kind of guys that would beat their women just based on their personnality, they are better of alone if they don't improve themselfs
@ElBandito Ya because what has radicalized ISIS is a lot worse. People in Syria are/were literally desperate to stay alive. I don't expect very many Incel terrorists because all things considered they have it pretty good, the're just whiny losers who have it pretty good. The kind of desperation it takes to build an organized militant group is on a whole different level.
Still, same concept different levels. If you're saying we should keep in mind those guys are sad and lonely because they can't get laid, then please keep in mind that ISIS members are sad and angry because they watched their families die
How the fuck can they not get laid if they have good jobs and mad cash in the bank? They can be out at the bar every night meeting girls it makes no sense even if they are ugly they can get laid if they got money to date girls and buy them drinks
ISIS is far more complicated in my point of view, they use a perverted version of the islam to get to their end and take very religious or desperated people to manipulate them. Incel are a bush of losers in a corner that get desperate because they don't have the social skill to get laid. And why you're comparaison is funny to me is because you compare a bunch of loser that can solve their "desperate" situation by paying a hooker to a serious terrorist groupe using religion and really desperate people that have lost all their family/friends to commit crimes against humanity.
yes and no. I think they could just go their own way and keep quiet about it, and that would be fine. But the fact that they formed a group and are trying to draw attention to their departure screams of pedantic motivation - literally taking their ball and going home. It's like those people who post about how (and why) they are leaving facebook
Your confusing incels and mgtow. I'm mgtow I have my own business, property and a lover (not girlfriend, although she'd like to be) how is that being a loser?
I have a strange view of all movements - If you are reasonable about it I will listen and think thats fair enough, thats what you believe in but then you get extremists and you go "FFS that is so OTT"
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I'm against those males rights activists. Now feminists will have a reason to use MGTOW as an excuse if men vent when they actually get abused.
As a feminist, I'm not going to make excuses for when men actually are abused - I know men experience horrible shit sometimes too and I'm listening.
But in terms of MGTOW, they can rarely provide evidence of actual abuse. And if they are supposedly moving on with their lives, why are they still in these shared male/female spaces crying?
Oh, but I do advocate for women's rights. That doesn't mean I can't also be compassionate toward men who are abused. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
You don't advocate for women's rights order to be equal with men. What the dictionary said. But if you're also advocating for men's, Rights that makes you an egalitarian so that still your opinion if you call yourself a feminist.
The way detractors have mischaracterised feminism is not my concern. I am a feminist. I'm also compassionate about other social phenomena that amount to injustice or unfairness based on factors besides gender.
I don't believe that for women to be fully liberated it requires that men's lives be turned into shit. It's not a zero sum proposition. It's not a competition.
You're right that I can't always change how people view me. I'm just living my truth.
Many people are very confused about what feminism is and does. Very seldom do you find that these people have actually spent much time observing feminists or feminism as a whole.
It's just like religion how people always want it to be. They all think what they believe is real and all the others fake. Just like feminism but i'm sticking to the dictionary because it is there for a reason. Also masculism/chauvinism is a counterpart. Advocating for men's rights just like the MGTOW which is a necessary.
I'm sure you have heard otherwise, but almost none of feminism supports the hatred of men. Women may come into their own individual feelings of hatred, but the movement itself isn't about men, or hating them. That's just rhetoric you have been fed to keep your attention off of who is really screwing you.
If you ever want to see what feminists are really up to, let me know and I will provide you with a number of resources.
Because women were oppressed they justify men hating. But men are no longer oppressors now. So feminism was a justified act. When you say you're a feminist it is still an opinion. That's just what you think what feminism is.
@MlleCake Ok you're a real feminist but that doesn't stop people from having issues with you. I can call myself a criminal if I want to and say "a real criminal don't hurt people"
Feminism is not what you believe it is, nor are we obligated to agree with how ignorant people define us and our movement.
I'm going to keep speaking of feminism from the perspective of someone actually involved, not from the perspective of anti-feminists who have very little direct contact with actual feminism.
You can persist with your delusion if you wish. I can't stop you. But I can keep speaking of the truth, which I am witness to.
So if you're saying feminism is about equality, are you saying masculism, the counterpart of it isn't and it's about unfairness? Saying "the truth" doesn't always make you truthful. If i ask you what is the difference between feminism and egalitarianism? None? Right because the counterpart of it is about unfairness?
I believe that men can experience injustices in their lives too. When I learn of the systemic nature of some things men experience, I want to see the system change for the better. Feminism is not a female superiority movement. We're perfectly free to recognize injustice wherever it is experienced. We are perfectly welcome to take action about it if we wish.
It's not a zero-sum situation.
I don't believe that for women to have full liberation, that men must suffer.
Most feminists don't believe the outcome of feminism is for men to be pushed into an inferior status in the world.
That concept is drivel from anti-feminists who have an investment in seeing women continue to be subjugated in society. They tell you it's a man vs. woman thing, where men might lose quality of life if they don't quash all the uppity women.
But people continue to want to believe every angry sound bite, rather than investigate for themselves. For what reason, I do not know.
Yeah addressing injustice doesn't mean advocacy. That's not being an activist like feminism. And what he showed you has something to do with feminism because she think she has the right to leave her kid like that and wants to justify it. That is feminism even if you don't believe it and call your kind often in this in real, that is what girls in the past do because that is what guys also in the past do which guys in the present don't do anymore
@MlleCake That has EVERYTHING to do with feminism if we take into account it's you and your rotten ideology that enabled toxic people like that by turning a blind eye on them.
If they don't wanna go through with having a relationship , or getting married, fine just don't. I mean the whole world doesn't have to know.
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Not if you actually read their purpose and beliefs instead of listening to feminist propagated bullshit.
But white-knighting and spreading nonsense because you think ladies will like you is easier I suppose.
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Tesla believed and supported the same ideas as MGTOW. It wasn't called MGTOW then but the ideology was the same. Being a provider, protector, or baby maker for a female never benefited men... so why should they bother. It's not complicated.
You are definitely not afraid of looking ridiculous!
First of all, I don't give a shit about ladies opinions, my intention here is just to trigger weak boys like you.
Second, you are the mirror image of the feminists. Both of you are unpleasant, worthless, dishonored, weak, feeble minded and a failure in life.
Third, you are also immature and think you could solve social problems just by misdirecting your anger. Your mental health is definitely not in a good shape and you make a favor to women by running away from them.
4th, who said I never haven't read the MGTOW "principles"? I've read and I keep thinking it's an idiocy from weak boys like you!
5th, who said I agree that men are (or should be) merely providers to women?
@xEmmorixX Well they didn't make a movement, the group happened organically when men who discovered they believed the same thing got together and started to discover more men who also felt the same way. Then after seeing endless shit campaigns telling the world that men were evil rapist monsters, they decided to ban together and fight back.
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