Do You Support Feminism?

[Athena374]

Yes I do

No I don’t

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+1 y

Nice to know so many guys and girls support feminism (equality) thank you.

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+1 y

All the bitter/sexist men who women don’t want voted no. This is a fact, a lot of you aren’t getting any.

[Anonymous]

Of course, I support equality of genders, that's why I support feminism.
Stupid people should really learn that femi-nazis are not feminists.
I can say that I'm Queen of England, but am I really? Nope - just like femi-nazis are not feminists!

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you for MHO

[Athena374]

Of course 👌 you are a smart man.

[Drooogie4]

👏👏👏👏

[Opinion Owner]

@Drooogie4 & @Athena374 Thank you very much :)

[CuChullan]

I wholeheartedly support feminism.

[Arielbubble]

Thanks for your ongoing support. We could do with more like you lol. 😊 😸

[Drooogie4]

All the "I support equality not feminism" is stupid. It's the same thing. Stop being so butthurt.

[Marethyu]

Equality is the original, ideal idea of feminism.
Many here refer to those who call themselves "feminists", yet don't really act upon that idea, I guess.

[Athena374]

I swear they look so dumb.

[hellionthesagereborn]

but its not the same? I mean feminist have actively attacked men, shut down discussions of men's issues, lobbied for laws, successfully, that discriminate against men etc. So by definition they are not about equality as they are actively creating inequality.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Here we go again calling us butthurt for sharing our point which you don't wanna grasp. You call us butthurt why? Because you feel scolded or something? It's not your problem you're frail who can't accept facts but feelings. If you say feminism is about equality, masculism, chauvinism, MGTOW AKA the counter part of it isn't? How is that fair? I thought this is about equality? Isn't there a middle ground called egalitarianism which you don't wanna admit? But you're comfortable of with your own ignorance and have high ego.

[HikerDude]

"Stop being so butthurt" says the butthurt feminist.

[Drooogie4]

@HikerDude I don't know it looks like a lot more butthurt guys based on comments and dislikes

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Really? Isn't calling opinions saying "I support equality not feminism" stupid a butthurt act? Think again as if you didn't start shit up.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That just means you're butthurt of people saying that. Also butthurt of people giving something to back it up.

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara haha you are definitely pretty butthurt. I'm calling it stupid because the actual definition is the same and there's just a bunch of whiny guys on here.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

What if I told you. Saying "definitely" doesn't automatically make you truthful. So what? Do you feel scolded and enslaved that's why you call us butthurt and whiny? What about give us something to back up your claim instead of going around tell people you're butthurt? Oh and I don't accept feelings but facts.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And talk about irony. Lets put this in a nutshell

Person 1: *Calls us stupid*
Person 2: *Give reasons*.
Person 1: You're butthurt. People can't take "facts" blah blah blah. *rants*

Aren't you the one who's whining about our claims? Care to share us? Oh you won't because you feel you're right. I'll have you know facts don't care about your feelings.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And if you still think I'm not being truthful, can you elaborate? Its not a really hard thing to do isn't it? But instead you whine and call us butthurt. See? That's ironic. More on you're butthurt with our claims. That's the real deal. So can you explain why I'm "definitely butthurt"?

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara cause if anyone is overreacting, whining and getting upset... its uh... not me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Haha you still can't elaborate that. Isn't logic fun?

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara attacking men and calling themselves feminists doesn't make them feminists. You can calm yourself whatever you want, but if you aren't, you aren't. True feminism is the belief of equality.
So, sure some people are trying to ruin what it is. But the definition holds true. And all the guys on here saying feminism is all evil, I highly doubt have ever had a bad "feminist" experience. And they either are mad because of what the internet tells them, or they dont get much female attention and that's the "feminists fault". Couldnt possibly be their own fault.

So yes. Stop. Being. Butthurt. Over. Actual. Word. Definitions.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I support equality and that's precisely why I'm not a feminist. I'm getting really sick of this "feminism is about equality" argument. You can't claim to be a movement for equality when your movement is exclusively concerned about the issues facing one gender to the complete exclusion of the issues faced by the other. You also can't claim to be a movement for equality when your movement has a history of actively fighting against shared custody in the presumption of innocence promotes the Deluth model which assumes men are primary aggressors in cases of domestic violence despite evidence showing that women are just as abusive if not more and protesting disrupted conferences about the disproportionate rates of male homelessness and suicide.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you can't claim to be a movement for equality when your movement is entirely predicated upon the notion that the inequalities exist between the genders are entirely slanted in favor of men thus necessitating the denial of inequalities faced by men and boys such as the high suicide, homelessness, highschool dropouts, criminal victimization in workplace fatalities infanticide and so on. "If you believe in equality then you're a feminist" Fuck off. This is like when furries say "You like Bugs Bunny? You think Chewbacca is pretty cool? Well guess what? You're one of us" Just stop alright. Nobody's falling for it. Except for people who don't really think ofcourse. Let me ask you something. Do you like dogs? And do you know who else like dogs? Hitler. I guess you're a Nazi now. Isn't logic fun?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And I still like how you're trying to dismiss arguments calling us butt hurt or whatever. And you still ignore what the dictionary says about feminism. Advocacy of women's rights which is really unnecessary these days.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So what about you stop being butthurt calling us butthurt?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"But the definition holds true." Still no elaboration. You just keep saying it's true but I litterally represented you statistics and the history of feminism.

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara hahaha you can sure write a lot and not make a point anywhere. But okay. Sorry whatever happened with women that made you so bitter.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh my that doesn't really take a genius. I feel sorry for you and your adhominems. I love women but there are exceptions. People like you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Lets just say, you just don't wanna try to understand it because of your ego. Again it doesn't take a genius. Also men are everywhere and there's nothing you can do about it but kill yourself if you can't stand men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And go ahead continue throwing meaningless ad hominems. Trying to get the rise out of someone when their losing an argument is a cheap and immature tactic.

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara your "point" is trying to disprove a definition. It doesn't really work that way. And it's okay. You dont have to like me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yes my point is trying to disprove a definition you're making up.

[Drooogie4]

Also, if we supposedly both believe in the same thing, you just dont want to call it feminism... why are you mad

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Want me to back it up some more?
www.google.com/search

www.google.com/search

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you definitely are clueless what egalitarianism means. It is there for a reason. Here's your feminism counterpart
www.google.com/search

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara I dont hate men at all. I just chose to advocate when I see stuff like this.

[Drooogie4]

Yes the definition says for equality looool

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Or that may be extreme. I can give you this instead which is so much clearer. www.google.com/search So? If your idea if feminism is equality, does that mean masculism is about unfairness? Is that what you're saying? That makes things different.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"the advocacy of women's rights" on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

Can be said as advocacy of women's rights in order to be equal with men. So why are you still advocating for women's right? Do you still feel oppressed? Give me one right man have women don't have. Prove to me that women's suicide, homelessness, death rate is higher. And you continue advocating your rights because were privileged? You don't even check your own privilege.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

-Men are told to "man up" if they show their feelings.
-Probably due to the previous point, men are 4x more likely to commit suicide.
-92% of workplace deaths are men.
-Men are charged with assault for defending themselves if the attacker was a woman.
-Men can easily have their life ruined by a false rape accusation, even if it's PROVEN false.
-Men can be sued for child support after having their sperm stolen.
-Men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes, including murder.
-Gay men receive far more hate than gay women.
-If women die in some terrorist act or something, all the news say "(some number) women died", but if it's just men, the news say "people".
-Women don't have to sign up for selective service.
-Men are the last ones to be rescued in a disaster.
-Men receive 63% longer prison sentences for the same crimes (63 PERCENT!!!).
-Even though men make up almost half of domestic violence victims, there are pretty much no shelters for men, and women's will reject men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

-Women aren't expected to deal with the massive stress of asking someone out or proposing to someone.
-Boys (I say boys and not men because I'm talking about school) are much more likely than girls to be put on Ritalin just because they're acting like boys.
-People will always say "it's not rape if he had a boner" about female-on-male rape, even though we get boners regardless of whether we're consenting or not.
-Men are usually assumed to have done something to deserve it in domestic violence cases.
-In some countries, men can't be legally considered rape victims, and in some others, women can't legally be considered rapists.

And go a head continue your feminism. Go ahead continue your advocacy denying all of those.

[Drooogie4]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm wholeheartedly against mean being treated unfairly as well on a gender bias. None of it is okay. Men can get raped, men should be given custody if they are the better parent, men should feel okay having emotions. I agree with all of that. I believe in equality.
I just believe that to be the definition of feminism as well. there's just women out there who are angry and hate men and want to ruin the word.
So we literally agree on everything but what to call it. And that was my whole point. People getting hurt over a word they "dont agree with" is kinda wild.

[Athena374]

@droogie sis why are you arguing with this idiot? He wants men to be oppressed soo bad.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Alright but I'm basing the meaning of feminism in google saying it's the advocacy of women's rights where there is actually a history of it. Men WERE oppressing women that time. And that's how feminism started. If you say that feminism is equality, that's still your opinion. If you don't really advocate for women's rights which what the dictionary really said because you also care about men's issues then you're calling yourself something you're not. Simple as that. You're an egalitarian. So are you saying egalitarianism isn't about equality because feminism is? You're wrong. The dictionary never said egalitarianism isn't a synonym of feminism.

[Drooogie4]

I honestly dont know. I'm pretty done now

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well sure you are done. All you keep saying that it's true because you said it's true. You were finished hours ago but all you have to stop being comfortable with your own knowledge.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Not trying to get the rise out of you but take that advice if don't want the hard way.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also feminism and feminist are 2 separate things ok? You can have a movement of feminism if it's justified. That don't make you a feminist. Example, so I watch some anime because I find some of it good. That doesn't make me an Otaku! That's now how it works.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Honest criticism and disagreement immediately makes them "butthurt"? Then by that rational doesn't that mean literally every single feminist is "butthurt"? I mean their entire argument is that they are victims and everything is every one elses fault but theirs.

[Athena374]

moneyish.com/.../ 😁 All y’all butthurt males are annoying but you guys aren’t stopping anything. Believe what you want.

[Elaurious]

Of course, I do, only gender traitor women will say they don't.

[Riggers]

“Gender traitor”, you make normal women not wanting to join a band of deluded obese red headed lesbians seem like they’ve committed a grievous crime. Lmao

[Athena374]

Yep. You’re very smart.

[Cammy137]

Only 9% of women in Western socities consider themselves feminists. So you're suggesting that 91% of women are traitors to their gender simply because they don't consider themselves part of a movement.
You're ignoring the fact that feminism isn't one single-minded group, there are at least 5 different "waves" of feminism and they don't agree on everything. In fact in some areas they couldn't disagree more.

[Athena374]

^What for does that have to do with supporting feminism? I swear you guys that don’t like feminism are slow.

[SunsetsAndOldies]

You reported my comment 😂😂 Chee, the feminists really are taking over

[Athena374]

Who are you? What did you even say? Oh shoot now I remember and I don’t report comments you feminist hater.

[SunsetsAndOldies]

Bruh, I’m an egalitarian. I believe in equality for ALL people. Not just for women, because believe it or not... MEN HAVE INEQUALITIES TOO. Yes, I understand women have manyyyy inequalities as well, but why can’t we just support equality for EVERYONE. Feminism just deals with women and men. And I don’t hate feminists. Except for the feminists like you, you’re the type that I dislike. The ones that just go ham on this stuff and get easily offended or something

[Athena374]

Then you are a feminist yourself if you want equality, deny it all you want 🤷‍♀️ and I’m not a feminist.

[SunsetsAndOldies]

I’m not a fucking feminists 😂😂 I’m an EGALITARIAN

[Athena374]

So that means you are a feminist. Sad you don’t know that it means the same thing.

[ladsin]

I Will No Longer Identify As A Feminist ↗
Nah. I explained my rationale above.

[Athena374]

Oh well.

[ladsin]

If you disagree feel free to convince me. I'm always up for reasoned discussions. I only recently decided that I'd no longer call myself a feminist within the past few months.

[Athena374]

Disagree? I don’t care if you are a feminist or not. You’re not stopping anything.

[ladsin]

Ah, well that’s actually a point I made in myTake. Although it’s probably problematic that less than half of American women consider themselves feminists and only like 20% in the UK do.

[Athena374]

You don’t have to be a feminist to want women to have equal rights you know that right?

[BesrkirAstrid]

My step sister is a feminist and i must admit sone agunemts she makes are insightful such woman being allowed to breast feed in public because the baby cannot be starved and powder milk is a substitute and the woman natrually produnces milk for her baby do IT should be allowed however some are like wtf such as kicking off over a Lady putting her tampons in a medince bag.

[ladsin]

Some would disagree. Like the faction of feminists that say that men can only be allies and not feminists etc

[BesrkirAstrid]

My point i would jump to the man camp and say "yes they are equal rights remember" plus even my sister would say this lol.

[madhatters4]

i support the ideology of feminism

[TacoFamine]

Lul you are in the 27%

[madhatters4]

@TacoFamine oh no i'm not in the cool crowd. i didn't care about popularity in high school and i still don't

[Riggers]

Definitely in a cuck scenario with ya missus^

[madhatters4]

@Riggers sure i am. i support equality so that makes me a cuck.

[Riggers]

Feminism ain’t equality and you know that. If you support equal rights for all you’re an Egalitarian. That’s the literal definition of an Egalitarian..

If you support feminism, and you’re not an obese redheaded lesbian, then yes. You are infact a cuck.

[madhatters4]

feminism is an ideology. how individual groups that operate as feminist behave or believe is on them... and you know that. just like a conservative neo nazi is not representative of all conservatives (right?).

ideologies are just that. ideologies. a conservative is not necessarily a racist, a feminist is not necessarily a man hating bigot. understanding the difference between an ideology and specific unique beliefs is important

[Riggers]

You’re an egalitarian and not a feminist then...

[madhatters4]

@Riggers one can be both. i support the ideology of feminism. nothing is going to change that unless the fundamental ideology somehow changes. but a bunch of bigots acting out on their own isn't going to dictate how i feel about equality for women.

it's a strange notion that me being for feminism (women's equality) makes me a cuck but me being a egalitarian (for women's equality) doesn't. that just shows the hang-up over a word

please answer a question. do identify with the more conservative or liberal ideology?

[Riggers]

I wouldn’t say I identify more as either, I think I’m able to recognize both have their positives but both have their flaws. I’m not too sure what political bracket I fit within.

I generally few liberals as simple minded, lazy, misguided drains on state benefits who live in a state of delusion that their governments are infinite sources of money and they’re behind hard done by by the ‘big bad mean oppressors’. Though I see all their bullshit stems from the underlying root to help every human which is admirable I suppose.

And I see conservatives and wholly out of touch silver spoon fed crooks who strip the working class Of an ability to live above the breadline in order to fund pointless bullshit,

I think liberals have good heart but are financially retarded, and conservatives are financially responsible but have little care for people.

[madhatters4]

@Riggers
do you think non-racist conservatives should stop identifying with the ideology (small government more personal freedom) with conservatism because of neo nazis, white supremacists?
do you think liberals should disavow the feelings towards the liberal ideology (progessive politics, government intervention) because of radical left groups like antifa?

[Riggers]

except Nazism is not conseravatism and “antifa” are not liberals, hence why they have different names because they’re different groups of people with completely different ideas.

Whereas you seem to support an older version of feminism, a first or second wave of feminism, a wave which is no longer required in the west.

Indentifying as a feminist in the age of the third wave of femnism makes you a third wave feminist..

Feminism is bitching about mansplaining, manspreading, complaining about non existent wage gaps and sipping tea from male tears branded mugs whilst gorging yourself up to 200lb and hating men for not finding you attractive.

If however you belief in legal equal rights and societal equality for males and females, in all regards, you are not a feminist. Feminist is about WOMENS RIGHTS. If you want equality for all you can’t JUST support women’s rights, men are disadvantaged in ways too.

This would make you, drumroll, and egalitarian... not a feminist.

[madhatters4]

@Riggers but antifa considers itself liberal. neo nazis consider themselves conservatives. obviously they have different labels but one be a nazi and something else as a political ideology.

the basic point is one can identify with an ideology without agreeing with all individual beliefs or perspectives of those who also "agree" with that ideology. a conservative doesn't necessarily have to be a white supremacist but white supremacist by and large call themselves conservatives. should conservatives who are not white supremacists then disavow any association or conservative ideology? are they racist, violent, etc because they agree on the principle ideology as someone with a fucked up belief ascribing to the same ideology?

of course not. MLK was a civil rights activist. so was the nation of islam who called people white devils and advocated violent uprising against white people. does that make MLK a violent anti-white person or the millions who believe in civil rights? of course not

[madhatters4]

i get it's not popular but just because a few bigoted misandrists call themselves feminists doesn't mean i'm going to disassociate from an ideology i believe in andsee has done incredible things for men and women.

like i said in response to @TacoFamine " i didn't care about popularity in high school and i still don't". i support the ideology of men's rights, feminism and egalitarianism

[Riggers]

Ima just put this one down to us living in different continents in different cultures and respectfully agree to disagree.

I see what you’re saying and why you’re saying it, I just fundamentally don’t agree with it.

Whateva thoooo

[madhatters4]

@Riggers and perhaps in the future you consider find out about a person before launching into personal attacks about their home life, wife, etc. you know. basic respect for a person

[Riggers]

Personal attacks on home life and family.

Bit of bants chill out.

[madhatters4]

@Riggers a right presumptions about my relationship with my wife and me personally are just bits of bant. when you say it. hopefully you are so easy going when the attacks come at you.

you don't need to suggest i chill out. i was chill and i treated you with respect as i laid out my position despite not getting it back. perhaps it's a continental difference in how we treat and talk to people

[Riggers]

Most likely, “sup’ cunt?” Is a standard greeting here so perhaps its just a cultural.. uh.. ‘skin thickness’ ? Issue. For lack of a better term.

[TheUniqueOne96]

I don't really know a whole lot about it, if it's anything like it's made out to be, then no.

Because I don't know a whole lot about it, I'd have to take it one topic at a time, to see whether or not I agree them individually e. g. like people always say things like 'women are paid less' - it sounds simple, but there's probably a lot more too it than that.

Other than that, double standards do come to mind, when I think of feminism, due to the horrible reputation it has and I'll list two that come to mind straight away:

Women can hit men, but men can't hit back.
Women who sleep around get called sluts, but guys who do, don't.

Here are some other things I often hear about, but aren't sure on:

Women get less jail sentences for committing the same crimes as men e. g. teacher/student sex.

Women take everything in divorce e. g. property, money and kids.

Like I said with the last one, these are things I hear, I'm not sure on, so if anyone wants to reply to me agreeing or disagreeing with me for whatever reason, know that I have said I'm not 100% on it and take it one at a time.

If there's a website or something that actually shows what feminists want in terms of rights for both genders, then that may be helpful.

[Aynsof]

I support the aspects of feminism that works towards egalitarianism
I support the reasonable feminists that aren't misandrist
I find though as a movement or ideology it has been quite derailed in modern times in the western world as many of the core issues have been mostly accomplished and it has struggled to find good unifying causes and it has instead too often become a platform for a lot of misandry and ridiculous nonsense and it is really a shame because these things often end up overshadowing the good ideals and good causes there still is to champion for equality and for women
It is hard to support and respect feminism when there are feminists who claim all penetration is rape when there ate feminists who call for abortion of all male babies when there are feminists who claim that even in our society now women are so powerless that they cannot give consent (This from a university professor no less) or even on the less extreme end of the scale there are feminists who misrepresent the gender pay gap as evidence that women are not getting equal pay for equal work (this was a core cause in the 2nd wave) despite the fact that this is quite illegal in most of the western world
Now of course the earlier examples are outliers mostly and the vast majority of feminists dont believe such things the latter is quite common

[Ellie-V]

I punch you in the dick, you punch me in the vagina. Equality. Feminism.
Of course I support it ☺️❤️

[Athena374]

Fighting has nothing to do with equality. N okay.

[Ellie-V]

You might have missed the point I was making but whatever

[Stellastarling]

As an egalitarian I do support certain ideologies of feminism yes, however, pseudo feminism doesn't come into the picture. It's really unfortunate to see a lot of men especially being so averse to feminism these days. The very term recoils them without being properly informed about it. I will admit there are many " men-hate groups" and such, which hardly constitute as feminists. Also I feel that most people look at feminism from a first world view point, especially on G@G since that's not really the point. It's important to know if feminism is important for the world globally. I would personally rather prefer to do it the egalitarian style. Although, feminism is important as well.

[worldscolide]

No.. Its become an ideology of hate.. Its most prominent members The national organization for women stand against basic things like equal representation for men and women under the law when it comes to things like child custody and domestic violence. They actively fight against expanding the definition of rape to include women. They actively stand against fathers that want access to their children. They actively stand against the ending of male circumcision.

No i dont stand with an ideology that actively seeks to harm men.

[worldscolide]

definition of rape to include men*******

[worldscolide]

I support egalitarianism... True equality between the sexes.

[worldscolide]

whats really sad here is the asker asks this question almost daily. and she gets the same results, most people on GAG see feminism for what it actually is, a hate movement.

[Arielbubble]

Who said we wanna hurt anybody? 👿👿👿

[worldscolide]

@Arielbubble i am not saying you want to hurt any one... I base my opinions off of observation. Behaviors dictate intent, Feminists behaviors indicate the truth of my statement.

“Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie.”

Do not believe what a person says over their actions. For it is what a person does, and not just says, that will reveal to you the reality of their words/intent

[worldscolide]

@Arielbubble And if you say theay aren't real feminists Not real feminists = Contradiction

“A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole.”

To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were. A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions.

Faith is a device of self-delusion, a sleight of hand done with words and emotions founded on any irrational notion that can be dreamed up. Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes. Faith is the refuge of fools, the ignorant, and the deluded, not of thinking, rational men.

[Arielbubble]

I never said anything aboyt anybody being a real feminist.

[worldscolide]

@Arielbubble i know i just wanted to curb the argument before it started, I dislike the no true scotsman fallacy.

[worldscolide]

based on this woman's update... I now classify her as a troll.

[MittenstheGlove]

I do not support feminism. It is not equality. Modern feminism has destroyed the modern woman, crippled this generation of men.

The pseudo-independence complex is destroying relationships as gender roles flip-flop.

Feminism has somehow managed to make the negatives of single-parenthood a positive, but selfishly neglect the child’s best interest and wellbeing.

Feminism is a plague and a failure of a movement, the crazy part is that the classic feminists admit it failed. The called on lobbyists who weren’t actually feminists and the movement was warped into what we have today.

[CharlieUnicorn]

Yes, I do but only in terms of goals.
Who doesn't want to say, slice down depressing statistics about sexual assault etc?

The problem is that feminism is also packed with ideology and explanations. You're typically not allowed to approach questions in a way that is different or goes counter to their dogma.

I piss off feminists constantly just by looking at the same problems in different ways, but it's only the one who can rightly assess a situation who can present any effective solutions.
I'm not saying it's always me, but most feminists seem to go into a hive mind type of thinking, to which no more original thought is necessary or even allowed.
You're not going to find many solutions that way.

[Dause]

I have not seen feminist movements do anything good for females in this lifetime. The only thing I have ever seen from feminists are temper tantrums. The name itself is idiotic and bigoted, perhaps in the past or in areas where females had more real problems it was a smart to be confrontational with names to make a statement, but now it just encourages idiotic women to act like olden days perverted and manipulative men. Some isolated modern women out there try to establish policies for women and talk about rights for women that might be relevant to particular companies or countries, but most all of them weren't necessarily feminist or identify as them, because dirt would be smeared all over their name due to the behavior of the general body of the group.

[Arielbubble]

I'd say the fact that single mothers are no longer branded as a hussy is a HUGE improvement. Not like back ooh, a few dacades ago, like the mid 80's in fact? Feminists aren't indiots either by the way. We fight back against the idiots in idiotic establimshments.

[Arielbubble]

Or how about the fact that modern film making is no longer constantly showing a defenceless female clinging to her muscle bound saviour? Nowadays, we have Wonder Woman instead to replace those, who kicks butt and is fit to boot. Made loads of money too over a lot of other male-led films. Now we have little girls who say they she's their hero and they wanna be just like her. Wouldn't you call that an improvement?

[Dause]

I said in my lifetime, smartass, my age is 23. I was born in the mid-90's (Which was after the 80's). The 80's are now almost 40 years ago, A LOT has changed since then. I stated that it was previously smart. Now, instead, it is acting like a cult (or at least many branches of it does) and encourages women to act exactly the same way as the guys that the original organization was against. If that isn't idiotic I don't know what is.

[Arielbubble]

Men dominating everything in the eorkforce and poltics is the real fucking problem thats a cult mate. NOT WOMEN STANDING UP FOR THEIR FUCKING RIGHT. SO GO SUCK ON MY HAIRY CLIT. WANKER. 👿👿👿

[Arielbubble]

Oh and by the way. The 80's were not 40 years ago! I only just had my 31st birhday birthday on the 20th November. The 80s were also the worst possible time for wonen fighting for their rights, you fucked up upstart bullshitter. Get back to me when you fuckin grown a real pair. 👿👿👿👿👿

[Dause]

The only thing I have personally seen feminists stand up for are their 'Right' to violate the rights of others by lying and deception, ruining the lives of men, children, and other women on occasion. That is my personal experience. If feminism actually stood up for what you say, it would be a decent organization. It doesn't though, it is badly corrupted just like many other organizations. And no thank you, from your lack of breadth of thought and incapability of stopping your own temper to look from another's perspective, I'd imagine you don't take good care of yourself and it likely smells like fish.

[Dause]

2019 (which we are a few weeks away from) - 1980 = 39... pretty close to 40.

[Arielbubble]

Gobfuck yourself. You prob don't even have a mature attitude yoursekf you little pissant. At least i have a supportive partner who supports me. I don't see anyone supporting you. Not surprising about the 80s to you either. You grew up in a severely fucked up men get everything, womem get fuck all era. Talk to some girls for their point of view before you fight one on her own views. And mt lady bits will thankfully never be anything to do with a shitty bastard like you. I'd rather die first. Go fuck yourself.

[Arielbubble]

I do actually supprt all sides, i just don't resort to insulting a person's genitalia first. So who is more the wrong there eh? You prob don't even wash yours lol. I'm more fucking cleaner than your pathetic brain could ever dream of lol.

[Arielbubble]

You really need to get a pair mate befote yku choose to persist in fighting me. If i ever met you, i would fucking castrate you...😎

[Dause]

You were the one who spoke of anf insulted genitalia first... it is literally right there in the backlog of these messages.

I've dated numerous women, and one over a span of a few years. I've talked to plenty of women on their views and most all of them disagreed with feminism, and I've had people who were feminists I could have civilized conversation with too.

I have two degrees by the way, rather well educated actually. I've done a fair amount of research and have 4 sisters I have also talked to about such things and get along with well, and know well about how women need rights in certain places.

All I disagreed with was the current organization, and you just can't get off your anger train or high horse long enough to get that through your head.

Your just a fool, whose arguments can't hold water.

Later~

[Arielbubble]

At least my boyfriend supports me whole heartedly lol

[Arielbubble]

Hahahahahaha

[dontgofalling]

I support the idea of equal rights, but today, that's not what feminism is about...
Today feminism is about putting men down, and about making men like women were back then (how they were treated), and trying to make excuses for why men a fucked up...

[Athena374]

Believe that if you want 🤷‍♀️

[dontgofalling]

What do you believe?

[Athena374]

I know that feminism is about equal rights, very simple. It looks like you are talking about old feminists who used to live in a society that said they were lower class. So tell me, why wouldn’t they be angry? Why wouldn’t t they want to treat men how they treated them?

[dontgofalling]

I totally understand where you're coming from...
But if you support equal rights, and some men back then put them in a lower class as you called it, then how is going after men going to help?
If a certain group of people treats you wrongly, and then you get back at them in the same way how are you better than them?
It's never going to stop that way...
And then other people and children grow up being treated like they're douchebags... and then a mennism (or whatever lolz) culture will start and then what?
Feminism is about women rights, not equal rights... and that is not equality...
If you're seeking for equality you should make a uniracial culture instead...

[Athena374]

I don't know what you are trying to say but that’s your opinion.

[dontgofalling]

I'm trying to say that feminism is specifically for women right, and not for even rights.
Therefore if you're looking for an equality culture, that ain't it and there should be a unisex culture, an equality culture for both sides.

[Athena374]

No duh it’s for women’s rights 🤣🤣 why would it be for men’s when they already have more rights?

[dontgofalling]

No we actually don't first of all.
And secondly because the solution and thing we all are chasing is equality, and how can there be equality if one side always aims higher...

[Athena374]

Yea y’all do.

[dontgofalling]

Ouch do you hate me that much?

[dontgofalling]

We're not all the same

[godfatherfan]

Unfortunately the word "Feminism" is like the N word to most men. 99.9% of the time it means the woman is a uptight bitch who hates men. Men get the door for women because it is polite, not because we think your too weak to open the door. All the nice things guys do, feminists bite our heads off. So no, feminism in execution is a disgusting thing. In theory, it is great.

[Athena374]

Lmaoo what a stupid comparison.

[wildneko]

Yes, of course!

The result of this question just makes me see I will have to pick really well if I want a good partner, so many butthurt men. Nothing new tho. lmao

[Athena374]

Yep lol most guys I talk to in person support it tho so 🤷‍♀️ well the attractive ones anyway.

[catmandoes]

If you are egalitarian you are a feminist, if you believe women should vote, be paid the same, not be discriminated against for their sex or gender then you are a feminist. If you agree with those things and Don't think you are a feminist it's akin to saying you a 25 but you aren't over 18

[KezHarris]

I believe women and men should be equal.
But i dont believe in all of this feminazi stuff, where theyre hating on men

[Athena374]

I’m confused, where are all you people are seeing these apparent feminazis? Are they on Mars or something? How come they don’t show themselves? Like now?

[LogicBomber]

Since @athena374 has trouble using google and refuses to leave the feminist echo chamber...

NOW (National Organization for Women), the largest feminist organization fight against shared parenting bills that give fathers equal custody rights.

UofT Talk on the issues boy face in school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWgslugtDow

Feminist at the falsely accused Duke lacross player court hearing, assuming without cause that they were guilty without cause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RVCA5bl1E

Mattress girl getting NOW’s woman of the year for making false rape allegations that destroyed a guys life.

Greg elliott’s 4 year court battle because he told two feminist that what they were spewing online was hate towards men, so they charged him with harassment.

Valerie Solanas: Scum Manifesto (“society for cutting up men”)

[LogicBomber]

Some of the most famous voices of feminism.

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller

“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

[LogicBomber]

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer

“The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.” — Jilly Cooper

Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.” — Catherine MacKinnon

... these are the quoted, studied, and idolized women of feminism.
Now tell us again how feminism isn’t a hategroup?

[Athena374]

Wow, it is so smart of you to call sexist women feminists, For one the NOW has men and women in it. So that destroys what you said about that. Even if all the women you named are apparently sexist that doesn’t make all feminists sexist. Stop reaching.

[Athena374]

N I looked up those quotes and none of them showed. So either you read all of their books or you’re lying.

[Athena374]

N third, those women are old. They grew up in a society where women were treated as second class. So can you blame them for lashing out? No.

[LogicBomber]

@Athena374 I am not calling these women feminist... THEY ARE!
NOW is the NATION ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN!!! It's the biggest feminist group in existence!
Why are you excusing their actions?
Why do you think it's ok to ignore what your ideology does when it proves they are not good?
You are like the people who turn a blind eye to religious hate because "it means well".
You have been given an endless list of provable and undeniable negative feminist actions.
Yet at no point have you ever given a single example of a positive feminist action. NOT ONE!
You simply do what the feminist in the videos do and shame and attack to try and silence anyone who doesn't blindly adhere to your bullshit.

[LogicBomber]

@Athena374 Having emasculated men in an organization doesn't instantly stop making it sexist against men. FFS

3 times NOW shut down equal rights for men.

[LogicBomber]

@Athena374 Saying that the hatefilled loudest and most famous voices of a hate group don't make all people in that group hateful is like saying that the actions of the KKK doesn't mean their aren't good white supremacist. You choose to adhere to a group with hate at it's core. You are not forced to do it. YOU CHOOSE to be part of it. You are protecting it and supporting a group with hate at it's core. You are trying to silence and excuse the endless list of actions which prove it's a hate group. WHY? You realize you are doing exactly what is expected of a brainwashed member of a hate group.

[LogicBomber]

@Athena374 If you can't find those quotes, you need to learn how to use the internet better. I didn't magically create them.

Excusing their hate is like saying "I'm a nazi, but not like those old nazi's who killed jews. They were Nazi's who grew up in an age where they needed to kill jews"

These hateful feminist are relevant because they are studied and idolized by feminist of today. They are learned from, they are the core of the hate group.
Mary Koss' 1 in 4 fabricated rape statistic is still regurgitated by young naive females who think feminism is good thing.
Gloria Steinem is still a leading feminist icon.

[Athena374]

You’re commenting too much bullcrap on here. Everyone who is not sexist and dumb would appreciate if you would stop.

[ThisAndThat]

@LogicBomber Feminist have taken the UN bait and they're supporting their own demise. Agenda 21 and Agenda 20/30. Georgia Guide Stone.

[Athena374]

Feminists will never suffer a demise until everyone has equal rights. Now shut up.

[ThisAndThat]

Oh yes they will. You're only fooling yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckJm8_pS0dY

[Athena374]

Did you really just link me to a YouTube video? Lmaoo yea feminists aren’t going anywhere no time soon.

[ThisAndThat]

You might want to watch that video then.

[octopusrebellion]

Modern feminism is what happens when you've won all the key battles but act as if the war has just begun. In order to keep up that fever pitch these women (and men) have had to caricature men as monsters to justify their endless claims of victimhood. Even questioning the ideology sends many into a triggered rage. Completely irrational at this point.

[TayTay21]

No, not at all. Take a look at who most feminists are. They're political operatives who are just trying to make themselves celebrities so they can make money at it, like so many other activist groups. They're no different than the scumbags at Environmental Defense Fund or Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Belgie]

No. I support equality.

I also heavily support a fact based view of the world, which means acknowledging that feminism as it exists and is practised today, is a bullshit toxic ideology that no amount of well meaning dictionary invocations by naive teenagers can change.

[AlienParasite]

It depends on how you define feminism. There are many philosophical currents which describe feminism differently, even some of them contradict each other in some points.

So you could say I am and at the same time that I'm not. I had both radical feminists and male chauvinits treating me with disdain. First ones think my idea of feminism is wrong. Second ones thinks I'm a radical feminism.

[aialex]

Do you think women is treated the same as men when it comes to prison?

If no, do you think they're treated better? If so, should they be treated a bad as men are?

You can't just say you're a feminist only when it comes to the good part - salary, politics position etc.

[Kaazsz]

I support freedom. Under freedom for all is the only way to have equality. I do not think feminism agrees with me. Feminism believes in government control of our actions. Which removes our freedom. And thus does the opposite of what it thinks it’s doing.

[N192K001]

Do I support equality? Yes!
Do I support egalitarianism? Yes!
Do I support libertarianism? Yes!
Do I support human-rights? Yes!
Do I support consideration? Yes!
Do I support mutual-respect? Yes!

Do I support feminism (esp. radical 3rd-wave)? Heck, no!

[disgustingweebtrash]

Feminism is only supported by women whose only achievement is having a vagina, nothing more. The sadness in it that a group of women can be so blind to reality, it is thankful such a disease is in the minority.

[BesrkirAstrid]

Niether option i Flick from one camp to the other which angers a lot of people, sometimes feminist make a good point and sometimes the guys make a good point depends on the argument being made.

[Anonymous]

The feminists are taking over, they’re hateful and annoying. I’m an egalitarian 🤷🏽‍♀️

[Fitnessaddict]

Nope. In the western world, women and men are equal.
U already posted about this before. If u r so passionate about this then do a MyTake and back up your claims with actual logic/findings/reports coming from neutral sources/primary data. If u can’t then use resources from both sides.

[Athena374]

No I didn’t this is a different question. Hop off my tit please thank you ✌️.

[Fitnessaddict]

LOL whatever

[GnarCute]

All men can treat women as equal as if were not equal already? x'D

I don't treat feminism in the USA as a real movement

[Berethor]

Why support something that is obsolete? and do more harm than good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1oYtp1iO7A

[VoidBlank]

Yes I do, no I don't is belittling the subject really, I believe we're all humans, feminism and maschilism are meaningless in my eyes. I mean men and women SHOULD (and to me must) have the exact same possibilities adapting to their needs, which means I can be a singer just as much as you can, as long as there's the skills needed to do so. In short, sex is not a discriminant in any sector of life, be it private or work etc...

[Supermosh1990]

No I don’t support feminism , but I do want equality like @Camny137 said ,”Besides, women in the Western world are equal to men in most ways. Feminism is just a toxic attempt to take control and belittle men. An attempt that has backfired horrifically.” it’s all true!

[Supermosh1990]

I do support equality

[Coolgirl235]

What’s up with all these slow men saying they support equality but not feminism? That’s what feminism is. Smh.

[Athena374]

I know right? I don’t even think the guys that voted no are mostly American. They’re probably where women are oppressed. They want to keep their power.

[Athena374]

This question really blew up tho

[nathanp97]

One sided equity is not equality. Let me know when feminists start fighting for men and than we might say they support equality.

[Coolgirl235]

Don’t come on my comment saying stupid shit. Fight for men? Tf, what would people fight for for y’all? More privilege? Gtfo.

[nathanp97]

60% longer prison sentences and more likely to be sentenced.
More often victims of violent crimes and often experience it worse than women.
People are okay with women hitting them because they think they deserve it, but if a man hits back he is a terrible person.
Depending on where you live we have the right to choose to be parents while men don't.
Can't sit at a park, have to be very careful around kids.
Higher suicide rate and work place fatalities.

[nathanp97]

~40% of the demestic abuse victims, yet they have no shelters for men.
If you try and fight for your rights as a man you are called sexist and bigoted.
Sex and kill objects on TV, yet feminists only care that women are sometimes seen as sex objects.
Male rape victims are even less believed than female victims.
Men are often assumed guilty if accused of rape, even though a maximum of 40-48% of reported rapes are proven true. j Likely even lower for accusations not gone to court. Men loose their jobs and have there lives ruined over this.

[nathanp97]

Women get handed more scholarships than men, specific to their gender. 3-1 highering in stem field. More likely to graduate every level of education. I'm just going to leave it there. Men are seen as child predators. They can't even sit next to minors on a plain without being moved, they can't sit on a park bench, help a kid who lost their parents without being attacked or harassed.

So don't you dare tell me men don't have problems. If anything men suffer way more than women. The real quest is besides possibly abortion rights what do you need to fight for, more privilege?

[Athena374]

@cool why are you feeding this gay troll? Let him be 🚮.

[nathanp97]

Leave it to a feminist to resort to name calling instead of arguing with facts. And you wonder why people don't like or identify as feminists. Grow up. You have the mentality of a 2 year old. At 3 kids develop the ability to see things from other people's prospective unless they were isolated from social groups. This can men that never develop the skill. You seem to be one of those people. Guess you didn't really have any friends growing up. I feel bad for you, and it seems your way of dealing is to blame men for problems that don't exist.

[Coolgirl235]

No she’s right. You probably are gay and you are very annoying, stop spreading false facts. Bye.

[Coolgirl235]

@athe follow me

[jellyroo]

I won't debate on feminism in terms of progress for women, however - right now it's not making a good look for itself. I don't believe it's the movement to bring us forward as people, as individuals.

[TadCurious]

I support what the original women's movement worked for and accomplished. But no, I don't support what feminism has become today.

[Athena374]

Your opinion 👌

[pppppkk]

i am a hardcore feminist and im sorry that some people believe what they do about feminists. i believe in equity and freedom of expression

[sjoes006]

When I clicked due to the pic I thought this piece was from a guy’s perspective. *Sigh*

Keep trying.

[CubsterShura]

People in the West saying that they don't need feminism anymore because women get equal pay in their office are the people whom I define as living in a bubble. :")

[BigJake]

We don't care.

[CubsterShura]

@BigJake that's exactly why this world needs feminism. You don't. Feminists do.

[BigJake]

No we in the United States don't care about every little crappy country in the world that can't solve its own problems. Figure it out for yourselves for a change.

[CubsterShura]

What the hell do you think feminist organizations are doing here? Oh God talk about lack of education.

[Athena374]

^Exactly 🤣🤦‍♀️

[FatherJack]

The original Women's Liberation WAS needed back then , to be fair , however feminism is now very firmly an anti male hate movement , just a few quotes from the feminist leadership , past & present , make this pretty damn clear !! Why don't the rank and file feminists call out their leaders , if they are as moderate as they claim...(((crickets )))) !! Single father of a girl and a boy... I believe in TRUE agenda -free equality... Standing by for the predictable pink TD' s !!

[Anonymous]

I support Biblical Christianity, which is better for women than feminism is.

[SketchForger]

Yes. It's just common sense at this point, at least where I come from.

[JSmuve]

Hell ya, I do. I support all the bitches out there who wanna be hot, little, submissive stay-at-home mom's and look after all our little rugrats and make delicious home-cooked meals while I slug tirelessly at work to support us.

[JP_Man]

I think equality has not been achieved just yet. I do believe some things advantage women and some advantage men. Feminism is about being able to not be ashamed when being a victim, it's about countries where women are treated as objects or lesser people.

[Burgerboy21]

Here's the thing: a lot of people tend to confuse true femnisn (the idea of women being treated as equals) with female supremacy, thanks to media depiction.
Now with that said, I support true femnism, not female supremacy.

[MrBurke]

Feminism has become a glorified sexist movement and sure there are a handful of feminists who aren't bat shit crazy sexists but they're the exception not the rule anymore but hey what do you care you've prolly seen this opinion in various forms at least a dozen times already

[Hypnos0929]

The idea but not the actual group. People have made the group stupid and polluted. The idea of men and women being equal legally and socially is appealing.
But truth be told a lot of women don't want certain things to change. When free the nipple was popular women supported it but when laws were passed they weren't topless.

[englisc]

No. I don't believe in equality either. I don't believe in male superiority but men and women are too different to be equal. I guess I just have traditional views on gender.

[Megatrizzle]

I will support equality between the sexes. Modern-day feminism does not support equality between the sexes.

[chrisbigman]

If it's for equality, then yes. HOWEVER, there are some women in the movement that want more than just equality. They want power over men. THAT I don't support.

[Athena374]

Y’all say that like that is most of them. There are lots of men that view women as sex objects and take advantage of us but do you see me complaining about that?

[chrisbigman]

I said "some", not "most".

[Athena374]

What’s the point of mentioning it if it’s not Most? There’s negatives with everything. Y’all need to stop.

[chrisbigman]

The fact that you're quibbling with semantics here is petty and ridiculous. I'm not going to change my stance just because you don't like it. I can't confirm that MOST women in the movement want more than just equality. However, I CAN confirm that SOME women in the movement want more than just equality. That's why I said SOME. I'm not going to lie/give false information.

[Athena374]

Cause you look dumb. That’s why.

[Athena374]

I don’t care about your so called stance either. Throw it away.

[chrisbigman]

No thanks. But thanks for showing your age. THAT confirms it.

[Athena374]

You can see my age tho. What a great example of a feminist hater. Fat and Ugly, not surprised.

[chrisbigman]

Yes, your attitude and your profile confirm your age.

[Arielbubble]

100%. And i will fight anyone who argues we don't need it coz it was really true thee'd be no Harvey Weinstein scandal or the #Metoo movement.

[BigJake]

The Harvey Weinstein scandal only happened because a lot of women fucked him on the casting couch and then regretted it years later when their acting careers flopped. They didn't that willingly. They weren't victims.

[Arielbubble]

Yeah? Maybe try n getvthrit fucking pint of views after being pinned down by the fat bastard. Also it brought attention to people who have had the same problem but with different men, thank you.

[Arielbubble]

That problem of unwanted attention i might add lol

[Ragnarock26]

Yes of course I do but not every extreme of it since there are many womens who overreact with it to great lenghts :)

[LogicBomber]

That sign says everything you need to know about the sexist misandry mindset of feminism.

Feminism is a hate group and I do not support anything it does.
I do support equality though, which is why I can’t support feminism. It is a supremacist group.

[Athena374]

Your opinion 🤷‍♀️.

[LogicBomber]

Fact, not opinion. But it’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they are being fooled.
Which is why feminism indoctrinates naive young females into a false victimhood at an early age.

The actions of feminism will always prove that the definition is bullshit.

[Athena374]

Your opinion.

[LogicBomber]

Thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous]

I do NOT support the modern PC movement. It is flawed and hypocritical in every single way, with some of its suggestions (such as gender identity qualifying a person as a gender, and that therefore if you are not attracted to "women" with penises you are a bigoted person) are truly vile. #fuckpc

[FakeName123]

No. I don't support the movement nor the ideology. The movement is corrupt, vile and destructive. The ideology is simply dysfunctional.

[FakeName123]

"All the bitter/sexist men who women don’t want voted no. This is a fact, a lot of you aren’t getting any."

Why is the counter-argument to people disagreeing with feminism always coming down to sexual success-rates of the one opposing it? That's beyond ridiculous and barely showcases your own incompetence of forming a proper argumentation.
Not to mention that the irony is that right-winged people are statistically on average considered more attractive, thus probably having more sexual success.

[sawno]

Do i support a movement aiming to replace men with women while trying to turn women into men? No, completely against.

[sawno]

Those who vote no are aware not heartless. We care about equal rights as well but that isn't what feminism is.

[normalice]

I think women should be paid equally for equal work. Beyond that, I think most things would either fix themselves.

[SngBirdy]

I support the definition and idealogy of feminism.
I dont support whatever feminism is considered today

[Amalrich]

There are too many kind of people who call themselves feminists nowadays, the good ones need to be more organized to be differenciated from the crazy ones

[Cookie8888]

Invalid question.

"Feminism" can in this context have at least three or four meanings, so you need to be more specific.

[Jake1415]

yes? i think all women should be equlity, tho I dont do anything to finacilly support it.

[The_FallenOne]

I support the origional purpose of feminism. I do not support the new form of feminism that has turned into feminazi-ism.

[KezHarris]

Yeah same!

[SkipStop]

Of course not. Feminism is hatred against men. Why would I support a group of man-haters?

[pppppkk]

i’m a feminist. i definitely do not hate men lol

[SkipStop]

@pppppkk Sure, sure. I beg to differ.