It helps a lot, my girlfriend works, thus, we have more money. Besides, she made the first move, without feminism, she would probably be passive/submissive and wouldn't be able to take initiative. That means that feminism has freed us from primitive gender roles which were constructed by the malicious religious institutions. Logically, I don't support feminazism, only genuine feminism. I say, every man should be a feminist, because feminism is for equality of genders. Dumb guys, I wasn't talking to you, yeah, you just go mgtow, more women for us ;)
@AmandaYVR Thanks, yeah, some of us know the truth, even though, the truth bothers the uninformed bigots and misogynists (mostly incels and mgtow fanatics).
Imma admit, you got some facts that are right, I give you that, but your idea of feminism is clouded. You should just be an egalitarian, fighting for men's, and women's rights.
Exactly, the facts, key words are: On the basis of the equality of the sexes.
Egalitarianism is belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs, it's not specifically gender based. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egalitarianism
You can interpret it in any way, but I'm just saying, a term having the meaning of a neutral political standpoint within the gender area would be a more sensible thing to be called as.
Of course, I said I'm a feminist, I don't like feminazis. Egalitarians support lots of other things not related to gender equality, like different political, religious and philosophical views which I don't supports.
It discourages harmful masculine gender roles based on shaming men for being "feminine" (being emotional, enjoying fashion, liking stereotypically feminine sports/other activities). It recognizes that sex based family expectations are unfair (men being the main money makers, men not being good caretakers for children). It addresses intersectional issues (black men being seen as more aggressive, gay men being looked down on).
I was just at friends birthday party. All I saw was guys bragging about how good they were in bed and how many chicks they slept with. If a women did same sort of thing. She would immediately get labeled SLUT. As though if having sex Is a one way street for men. I do believe it take 2 to do the deed. So slut shaming in my view needs to stop and thanks to Feminism they are half way there.
@SwordShield: Thanks, I appreciate that. Also, I'm interested in what your take on "toxic masculinity"/the use of that term is. Personally, I agree that the concept it describes exists, but I think the term itself is a bit too charged to effectively communicate the meaning.
To me, based on the ways I've seen it used, it means social expectations that encourage men to behave in ways that are potentially unhealthy for themselves or others. That's things like not acknowledging your own emotions (other than anger, in many cases) and not being sensitive to the feelings of others, being violent, doing dangerous things to show bravery, being competitive/dominant, showing sexual interest in women, and not asking other people for help. That doesn't necessarily mean that doing things like that is 100% bad or 100% socially and not biologically based, or that if someone naturally enjoys those things that they shouldn't do them at all. It just means that expecting men to act in these ways and shaming them if they don't is harmful to the health of many men, and to the health of those around them. So basically, act in whatever way brings the most happiness to yourself while avoiding hurting those around you, and don't expect yourself or others to act in specific ways just because it conforms to typical ideas of "masculinity".
Do you see the term differently? If so, can you explain why/where you've seen it used that way?
I just do not get you. Shavin has really nothinh to do with feminism. It is a trend. For 100 years ago nobody shave themself. Also in Europe a generation ago shaving was not tgat common
@shinka1y234 Modern feminism is misandry. If you support equality, then just talk about equality. Its not complicated. The womens movement was over a long time ago, quite a long time before you were born actually. The other thing you didn't get was a joke. So as you clearly dont understand very much about what is going on around you perhaps you should listen more than you speak.
@shinka1y234 yepp your right. I shave and am girly, yepp im very anti woman👍
Fyi you're 19 and muslim, you're not even a woman yet but a girl. Nothing you say is even fyped in correct grammar and no one and taking you seriously. So do yourself a favor and get off my post amd take your hijabu or whatever the fkk y'all wear there , with you. you're annoying at this point hun💋
Feminism doesn't even help females. Toxic masculinity is such a broad term. They use it to describe minor alterations, they use it to describe the weather. Cmon. Women are equal to men, but we are programmed with roles in mind. Men try their best to lead, women pick the man they want to follow. That's how our brains naturally want things to go. Stripping a man of his manliness just makes a world full of women. Women are not sexually atracted to a man with feelings. They are attracted to a man who takes charge. Feminism will destroy us all.
Imagine a female President in WW11 telling the army to use the atomic bomb. It would not have happened and there would have been millions of more men killed by the Japanese. Very few of you women in America would have been born, under Japanese Dictators. So FEMINIST CARRY ON.
So many feminists are at their core dishonest people. They will confuse suffragettes with modern 3rd-wave feminism, and ignore the long train of mentally unstable contributors to what feminist thought. They will also ignore that a vast majority of feminist thought leaders are lesbians. This is because their worldview is fragile and can bear no rational analysis. That is why lies like the college rape epidemic (strange that this happens in 2013 to now, when everyone has a portable camera in their pocket, right), abortion is healthcare, equal pay, and all men are rapists, must be shouted and everyone who opposes them vilified. Feminism is not about truth. It's about mass insanity and the triumph of unhinged emotionalism over observable reality.
Feminism was about women and the rights of women when it was started. That's why the word.. is called feminism, it's centered around femininity and femininity is mostly referred to us women. That's what most movements are about, it's usually centered around one thing or people to try to make a change either for better or worse for those groups of people. For example, the civil rights movements was about and for us blacks to get rights, the anti war movement was about being anti war, etc...
So technically speaking, feminism wasn't focused on men it was focused on women and still is for the most part. That's just the honest truth. But let's not act like there wasn't movements centered for just men, the anti draft movement (anti war) was soley centered for men and their right to not be forcefully drafted into a war they did not start or want to take part in. That movement had really had nothing to do with women, cause we didn't have to worry about being drafted.
@Gabrielskaddadle Ugh yeah.. that's kinda why I mentioned it, and if you actually READ then you would of seen I said that: "That movement had really had nothing to do with women, cause we didn't have to worry about being" Derp moment there buddy. lol
@Gabrielskaddadle You do know there was and is a movement for men right? And men's rights movement as well.. there's plenty of movements catered to just men.. I only mentioned Anti draft as an example to show that their have been movements only for the male sex.
Feminism isn't necessary anymore. Women have the rights they need and now they're just making up silly stuff to try keep it going like the gender pay gap. There's also always going to be sexists just like they will always be racists, there's nothing you can do to change that.
There are still girls getting married off to older men, girls that get their vulva sewed up and ripped off by a man that their parents gave them to. You're 15, your can look up what's happening to women outside of the United states and any other country that has it "made"
very simple, femisnim frees both genders of gender roles eg. if women didn't have to be submissive men wouldn't have to be dominant instead we would both see each other in terms of personality rather than gender gender would only matter when it comes to sexuality there would still be dominant men and submissive women that are that way by their personality but it would make anyone not fitting that norm free not to be that way
If that were indeed the case. Why are feminists complicit in bringing millions of migrants who want nothing but establish patriarchal rule? Dont give me that bullshit that your work is not over yet, feminist savagery will never be over.
@esotericstory um issue of immigrants has more to do with nacism conflicting with humanity not really feminism; I have not seen feminist promoting migrants coming tho
Feminists in Europe refuse to speak out about migrant rape gangs. If you care about women's rights, they have to speak about it. If not, they are betraying their own principles.
@esotericstory I dont really think it goes that way. As a feminist i dont think you MUST be active and passionate about ALL gender issues. And let along doesn't make it right that anyone damands for you to care about specific issue. Also i dont see rape as feminism issue really. Rape is generally by society an issue that is already regulated by laws. Be it by immigrant or anyone.
So campaigns like metoo should deal with rape, but not with immigrant rape gangs roaming the streets? 12dezibel is an organization started simply to deal with feminist censorship of migrants raping little girls. If you speak out about one type of rape but not about the others you are a hypocrite and you have betrayed your own values.
@esotericstory as i said i simply dont agree with your logic, if you are only active againt racism in the USA cause you live there doesn't mean you must be active against racism everywhere, which doesn't mean you think racism there is ok, but that you have enough on you plate dealing with racism in your own life. And men often dont get this, you tend to DEMAND that if someone is feminist they MUST resolve men issues too. You may be feminist and feel for men issues but it doesn't mean one MUST actively resolve someone elses issues. Being activist about anything is someones choice, doesn't mean if someone is not an activist that they dont care about the issue nor that they must do something about it
there's no logic to it. If thousands of girls are being raped and molested, that becomes a topic you should get active about it, instead feminists are PREVENTING women from speaking out about it.
@esotericstory I don't know who pissed you off but I see no feminist preventing anyone talking about it... if someone identifies as feminist and prevents such talks then I can understand your anger but i dont think you can say all feminist do that. I compltely agree that migrants issues are prominent but im unsure of details about it. Sometimes its just about promoting hate against migrants. I sencerly dubt that most men in those countries are all rapist that molest women.
The driver in the handmaids tale is a decent example. The guy in power is holding some nice earrings on a woman out of a dozen under his leash. He asks "dosen't it look beautiful?" The driver says "yes sir." Not oppressed in the same way but exploited. An injustice for one is an injustice for all.
Unless you have the power to exploit or want that power yourself, you have nothing to gain fighting feminism or any others fighting the powers at be. You might not be oppressed but exploited by being the willing punching bag for the same powers of abuse that the others want to fight.
Some facts. Feminism is about making the sex fair by focusing solely on the problems of only one sex.
Far left feminists would rather tackle mythical pay gaps than the maltreatment of women is extremist Islamic countries.
Feminists believe that men have oppressed women for as long as we have recorded history. While the actual facts are the a minute number of men oppressed everyone including almost all men and the women.
If we want equality promote equality of opportunity and openness about sexual harassment in the work place.
Women have been more disadvanteged in the past therefore there were more groups what im trynna bring to ur attention is that men have a completely different support system to women. There were farrr less male groups in the past and in the present. I am not trying to piss u off im just saying i wish there were more groups for things like male rape and immascualtion becuz men turn to things like MGTOW which have become convoluted and changed into a incel pumping machine. The immasculation of men is just as big an issue as the empowerment of women. Women have been forced to be subservient for a long time and the opposite for men. This has left both men and women with misconceptions about how they are supposed to be or that they can be what they want. I didn't mean to offend u with my first answer i was more angry at the fact that there are no groups that teach men about masculinity and how to be a man.
You talking about feminazi’s or feminist rights sorts feminists? Personally I think the word “feminism” doesn’t serve justice to “we want rights for everybody”. They say that “feminism” helps mean to, but nearly all they argue about is oppressing men and empowering women over men
I've seen feminists argue for equal parenting rights, which also includes men getting appropriate paternity leave and visitation rights, they also quite often focus on domestic assault and rape which men suffer too from too. Feminists are also generally quite pro-LGBT and this can help LGBT men, and a lof of feminists are active in matters regarding race, which would help men of colour. Not sure if the last few are direct ways feminism helps men or more like an outside thing.
@CLASSYMUTT I recommend taking a quick google if you're curious. I'm not a feminist so I'm not the best person to direct questions to, though my search has found these:
I hope any of this helps. I can't give the sources of what I've seen as this has been over the course of my lifetime and, since I'm not a feminist myself, I haven't exactly been keeping track of the information I've read. Just been reading their view points and then moving on.
Should also clarify again for all the men downvoting this opion: I'm not a feminist. Simply saying what I have observed over the years. Thank you for your time.
Actually, if you delve further into it, the rape part was actually an accident. When feminists were fighting for the definition of rape to be changed so women who were unconscious would be included, they accidentally let men be defined.
Whether the origin was an accident or not, I have seen feminists fighting for awareness regarding male rape. I can't give you an example of feminists fighting for a men's shelter, I've just seen them talking about needing more awareness for male victims of domestic abuse.
It helps us lose our children! It helps us lose our self worth! It helps us lose our value! It helps us lose our freedom! It helps us lose our soul! It helps us lose our family's! It helps us lose our lives! Feminism dosent help men it destroys men plain and simple!
2&5. No attention is on Male victims. Men's lives are being destroyed over unproven accusation, while women's aren't. And there is no push for demestic abuse shelters for men.
3. That has more to do with LGBTQ then feminists. Why are you taking credit for that?
4. What have feminists done or talked about with this? I've never heard anything about it.
1 was already talked about so I'm not going to repeat it
feminism helps men by letting women show their true colors. a man who is observant enough can tell sane women apart from the legions of insane women out there. lots of women here are saying that feminism helps men by freeing them from gender roles. BULLSHIT! making men more submissive and helping women be more dominant helps women, NOT MEN. feminist has helped governments to further oppress men not free men. but adversity makes strong people stronger. certain men are getting stronger because of the hatred they receive from and the oppression they face because of feminism. hopefully one day these men can destroy feminism and the people who pushed it all together
"feminism helps men by letting women show their true colors". So that means feminism help woman to show their true nature instead of acting like one. Well, women actually are hypergamy. So that means they are very selective and picky when it comes to dating. If you are not tall enough, average looking or good looking etc. women would not even look at you. That is how it is. It is their nature. Why do you complain. A woman is like that. Anyway you can choose to be gay.
@shinka1y234 Did i mention Hypergamy? anyway i don't care if women are selective but women should be careful what is their own worth. every woman wants a tall, rich handsome guy with great personality who adores them but do all women deserve that? no. that kind of guy is out of almost all women's league. that's why most women end up single and childless because they ignore men in their own league. i'm straight and can't just switch to be gay but sometimes i think about it and honestly those gay men are smart for not letting women in their lives
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It helps a lot, my girlfriend works, thus, we have more money.
Besides, she made the first move, without feminism, she would probably be passive/submissive and wouldn't be able to take initiative.
That means that feminism has freed us from primitive gender roles which were constructed by the malicious religious institutions.
Logically, I don't support feminazism, only genuine feminism.
I say, every man should be a feminist, because feminism is for equality of genders.
Dumb guys, I wasn't talking to you, yeah, you just go mgtow, more women for us ;)
You're so awesome!
Hallelujah praise the lord, a sane, rational man speaking words of wisdom on this subject. (I don't blame you for going anon.)
@AmandaYVR Thanks, yeah, some of us know the truth, even though, the truth bothers the uninformed bigots and misogynists (mostly incels and mgtow fanatics).
feminism
[ˈfeməˌnizəm]
NOUN
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
Imma admit, you got some facts that are right, I give you that, but your idea of feminism is clouded. You should just be an egalitarian, fighting for men's, and women's rights.
Exactly, the facts, key words are: On the basis of the equality of the sexes.
Egalitarianism is belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs, it's not specifically gender based.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egalitarianism
egalitarianism
[ēˌɡaləˈterēəˌnizəm]
NOUN
the doctrine that 'all people' are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
You can interpret it in any way, but I'm just saying, a term having the meaning of a neutral political standpoint within the gender area would be a more sensible thing to be called as.
I'm not here to judge, I just hope that you are way less radical than those portrayed upon history, and the news.
Of course, I said I'm a feminist, I don't like feminazis. Egalitarians support lots of other things not related to gender equality, like different political, religious and philosophical views which I don't supports.
Fair.
It discourages harmful masculine gender roles based on shaming men for being "feminine" (being emotional, enjoying fashion, liking stereotypically feminine sports/other activities). It recognizes that sex based family expectations are unfair (men being the main money makers, men not being good caretakers for children). It addresses intersectional issues (black men being seen as more aggressive, gay men being looked down on).
Totally agree
I honestly don't think this is helping men it's rather ruining us
I was just at friends birthday party. All I saw was guys bragging about how good they were in bed and how many chicks they slept with. If a women did same sort of thing. She would immediately get labeled SLUT. As though if having sex Is a one way street for men. I do believe it take 2 to do the deed. So slut shaming in my view needs to stop and thanks to Feminism they are half way there.
So, "act more feminine so you won't kill yourself"?
@FaisalR Explain how it's ruining men.
@SwordShield Nice strawman, but no. Do you actually disagree with me? And if so, could you explain why without attacking an argument I didn't make?
Yeah, that was pretty stupid of me to say. I was pretty heated from people using "toxic masculinity" over and over again. Forgive me.
@SwordShield: Thanks, I appreciate that. Also, I'm interested in what your take on "toxic masculinity"/the use of that term is. Personally, I agree that the concept it describes exists, but I think the term itself is a bit too charged to effectively communicate the meaning.
So, what does toxic masculinity mean then? How should I act?
To me, based on the ways I've seen it used, it means social expectations that encourage men to behave in ways that are potentially unhealthy for themselves or others. That's things like not acknowledging your own emotions (other than anger, in many cases) and not being sensitive to the feelings of others, being violent, doing dangerous things to show bravery, being competitive/dominant, showing sexual interest in women, and not asking other people for help. That doesn't necessarily mean that doing things like that is 100% bad or 100% socially and not biologically based, or that if someone naturally enjoys those things that they shouldn't do them at all. It just means that expecting men to act in these ways and shaming them if they don't is harmful to the health of many men, and to the health of those around them. So basically, act in whatever way brings the most happiness to yourself while avoiding hurting those around you, and don't expect yourself or others to act in specific ways just because it conforms to typical ideas of "masculinity".
Do you see the term differently? If so, can you explain why/where you've seen it used that way?
It helps no one.
It just makes women stop shaving their armpits and always bitch about how they hate men.
Both equally disgusting
hehe preach girl
@Mamamialetmego i mean its true🤷♀️🤷♀️
I didn't say it isn't ;)
Not shaving has nothing to with feminism.
*in comes a feminist. I guess it was another personal attack. Sorry not sorry. Truth hurts
Feminism also suppurt sluts? :)
Apparently if you are part of the mix. Now good night☺️💋
I just do not get you. Shavin has really nothinh to do with feminism. It is a trend. For 100 years ago nobody shave themself. Also in Europe a generation ago shaving was not tgat common
Whatever, thanks for reply then
lols
Ashh you are savage :D
Feminists are also against slut shaming but yeah. You are right. Everything what feminists is bullshit so we should shame on you then
@shinka1y234 Modern feminism is misandry. If you support equality, then just talk about equality. Its not complicated. The womens movement was over a long time ago, quite a long time before you were born actually. The other thing you didn't get was a joke. So as you clearly dont understand very much about what is going on around you perhaps you should listen more than you speak.
I say what i want and i am not a feminist but some people here do nothing than being an antiwoman.
@shinka1y234 you are right they are losers
@shinka1y234 yepp your right. I shave and am girly, yepp im very anti woman👍
Fyi you're 19 and muslim, you're not even a woman yet but a girl. Nothing you say is even fyped in correct grammar and no one and taking you seriously. So do yourself a favor and get off my post amd take your hijabu or whatever the fkk y'all wear there , with you. you're annoying at this point hun💋
This woman preaching straight facts.
It doesn't do shit for men except give them headaches. I really dislike modern feminism
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Why?
@angstySyn
Almost married you just now
@JayLiche I'll buy you the ring...
@angstySin it gives us all headaches, not just the men😄
Feminism doesn't even help females. Toxic masculinity is such a broad term. They use it to describe minor alterations, they use it to describe the weather. Cmon. Women are equal to men, but we are programmed with roles in mind. Men try their best to lead, women pick the man they want to follow. That's how our brains naturally want things to go. Stripping a man of his manliness just makes a world full of women. Women are not sexually atracted to a man with feelings. They are attracted to a man who takes charge. Feminism will destroy us all.
Imagine a female President in WW11 telling the army to use the atomic bomb. It would not have happened and there would have been millions of more men killed by the Japanese. Very few of you women in America would have been born, under Japanese Dictators. So FEMINIST CARRY ON.
So many feminists are at their core dishonest people. They will confuse suffragettes with modern 3rd-wave feminism, and ignore the long train of mentally unstable contributors to what feminist thought. They will also ignore that a vast majority of feminist thought leaders are lesbians. This is because their worldview is fragile and can bear no rational analysis. That is why lies like the college rape epidemic (strange that this happens in 2013 to now, when everyone has a portable camera in their pocket, right), abortion is healthcare, equal pay, and all men are rapists, must be shouted and everyone who opposes them vilified. Feminism is not about truth. It's about mass insanity and the triumph of unhinged emotionalism over observable reality.
Feminism was about women and the rights of women when it was started. That's why the word.. is called feminism, it's centered around femininity and femininity is mostly referred to us women. That's what most movements are about, it's usually centered around one thing or people to try to make a change either for better or worse for those groups of people. For example, the civil rights movements was about and for us blacks to get rights, the anti war movement was about being anti war, etc...
So technically speaking, feminism wasn't focused on men it was focused on women and still is for the most part. That's just the honest truth. But let's not act like there wasn't movements centered for just men, the anti draft movement (anti war) was soley centered for men and their right to not be forcefully drafted into a war they did not start or want to take part in. That movement had really had nothing to do with women, cause we didn't have to worry about being drafted.
Lol the only reason the draft group was just for men is cuz u couldnt be drafted as a women
@Gabrielskaddadle Ugh yeah.. that's kinda why I mentioned it, and if you actually READ then you would of seen I said that: "That movement had really had nothing to do with women, cause we didn't have to worry about being" Derp moment there buddy. lol
*darfted. Didn't get copied in there.
Soz i read it again i see what u were saying bout it now. Just thought it was telling that that was the only u mentioned
@gabriel can you read? Good god
Yup, why, are u struggling to understand what i said
@Gabrielskaddadle You do know there was and is a movement for men right? And men's rights movement as well.. there's plenty of movements catered to just men.. I only mentioned Anti draft as an example to show that their have been movements only for the male sex.
@britt dont waste your time he's slow
Feminism isn't necessary anymore. Women have the rights they need and now they're just making up silly stuff to try keep it going like the gender pay gap. There's also always going to be sexists just like they will always be racists, there's nothing you can do to change that.
There are still girls getting married off to older men, girls that get their vulva sewed up and ripped off by a man that their parents gave them to. You're 15, your can look up what's happening to women outside of the United states and any other country that has it "made"
@Mil00 Yeah probably should've added in countries that women still don't have rights. I was talking about where they do.
very simple, femisnim frees both genders of gender roles
eg. if women didn't have to be submissive men wouldn't have to be dominant
instead we would both see each other in terms of personality rather than gender
gender would only matter when it comes to sexuality
there would still be dominant men and submissive women that are that way by their personality but it would make anyone not fitting that norm free not to be that way
Great job, devil!
If that were indeed the case. Why are feminists complicit in bringing millions of migrants who want nothing but establish patriarchal rule? Dont give me that bullshit that your work is not over yet, feminist savagery will never be over.
@AmandaYVR tnx :)
@esotericstory um issue of immigrants has more to do with nacism conflicting with humanity not really feminism; I have not seen feminist promoting migrants coming tho
The least they can do is protest migrant rape
@esotericstory I think anyone can protest against that
I see no sense in saying someone must care about certain issues like its their responsability
Feminists in Europe refuse to speak out about migrant rape gangs. If you care about women's rights, they have to speak about it. If not, they are betraying their own principles.
@esotericstory I dont really think it goes that way. As a feminist i dont think you MUST be active and passionate about ALL gender issues. And let along doesn't make it right that anyone damands for you to care about specific issue. Also i dont see rape as feminism issue really. Rape is generally by society an issue that is already regulated by laws. Be it by immigrant or anyone.
So campaigns like metoo should deal with rape, but not with immigrant rape gangs roaming the streets? 12dezibel is an organization started simply to deal with feminist censorship of migrants raping little girls. If you speak out about one type of rape but not about the others you are a hypocrite and you have betrayed your own values.
@esotericstory as i said i simply dont agree with your logic, if you are only active againt racism in the USA cause you live there doesn't mean you must be active against racism everywhere, which doesn't mean you think racism there is ok, but that you have enough on you plate dealing with racism in your own life. And men often dont get this, you tend to DEMAND that if someone is feminist they MUST resolve men issues too. You may be feminist and feel for men issues but it doesn't mean one MUST actively resolve someone elses issues. Being activist about anything is someones choice, doesn't mean if someone is not an activist that they dont care about the issue nor that they must do something about it
there's no logic to it. If thousands of girls are being raped and molested, that becomes a topic you should get active about it, instead feminists are PREVENTING women from speaking out about it.
I'm an activist myself, dont give me that bullshit. Migrant rape is more of an issue than gender neutral toilets and you fucking well know it.
@esotericstory I don't know who pissed you off but I see no feminist preventing anyone talking about it... if someone identifies as feminist and prevents such talks then I can understand your anger but i dont think you can say all feminist do that. I compltely agree that migrants issues are prominent but im unsure of details about it. Sometimes its just about promoting hate against migrants. I sencerly dubt that most men in those countries are all rapist that molest women.
The driver in the handmaids tale is a decent example. The guy in power is holding some nice earrings on a woman out of a dozen under his leash. He asks "dosen't it look beautiful?" The driver says "yes sir." Not oppressed in the same way but exploited. An injustice for one is an injustice for all.
Unless you have the power to exploit or want that power yourself, you have nothing to gain fighting feminism or any others fighting the powers at be. You might not be oppressed but exploited by being the willing punching bag for the same powers of abuse that the others want to fight.
"How many feminists do we need to change a lightbulb?
None.
Feminists can't change anything!"
Ps: that's a joke. Feminists here who loves to attack any opinion which is opposite of theirs, please back off!
Hahahahaha that's funny.
I also heard one where they put the bulb in the socket and let the world revolve around them.
I have another one.
What's the difference between a baby and a feminist?
The baby eventually grows and stop crying.
Hahahahah
Some facts. Feminism is about making the sex fair by focusing solely on the problems of only one sex.
Far left feminists would rather tackle mythical pay gaps than the maltreatment of women is extremist Islamic countries.
Feminists believe that men have oppressed women for as long as we have recorded history. While the actual facts are the a minute number of men oppressed everyone including almost all men and the women.
If we want equality promote equality of opportunity and openness about sexual harassment in the work place.
Also castrate convicted rapists
Women have been more disadvanteged in the past therefore there were more groups what im trynna bring to ur attention is that men have a completely different support system to women. There were farrr less male groups in the past and in the present. I am not trying to piss u off im just saying i wish there were more groups for things like male rape and immascualtion becuz men turn to things like MGTOW which have become convoluted and changed into a incel pumping machine. The immasculation of men is just as big an issue as the empowerment of women. Women have been forced to be subservient for a long time and the opposite for men. This has left both men and women with misconceptions about how they are supposed to be or that they can be what they want. I didn't mean to offend u with my first answer i was more angry at the fact that there are no groups that teach men about masculinity and how to be a man.
You talking about feminazi’s or feminist rights sorts feminists? Personally I think the word “feminism” doesn’t serve justice to “we want rights for everybody”. They say that “feminism” helps mean to, but nearly all they argue about is oppressing men and empowering women over men
Modern, "third-wave" feminism is practically built on the idea of bringing men down; it does nothing beneficial for men whatsoever.
Indeed, it actually does nothing for anyone.
It has been the 4th wave of feminism for over a decade already and the 3rd wave was not about bringing men down.
I've seen feminists argue for equal parenting rights, which also includes men getting appropriate paternity leave and visitation rights, they also quite often focus on domestic assault and rape which men suffer too from too. Feminists are also generally quite pro-LGBT and this can help LGBT men, and a lof of feminists are active in matters regarding race, which would help men of colour. Not sure if the last few are direct ways feminism helps men or more like an outside thing.
How are you doing?
Give some sources please. I've never seen feminists talk about those topics
@CLASSYMUTT I recommend taking a quick google if you're curious. I'm not a feminist so I'm not the best person to direct questions to, though my search has found these:
time.com/.../
www.theatlantic.com/.../
repository.uchastings.edu/.../viewcontent.cgi
www.theguardian.com/.../paternity-leave-women-equality-gender
tandfonline.com/.../09589236.2014.959479
www.pulp-usu.com/.../opinion-on-gay-men-and-the-feminist-movement
I hope any of this helps. I can't give the sources of what I've seen as this has been over the course of my lifetime and, since I'm not a feminist myself, I haven't exactly been keeping track of the information I've read. Just been reading their view points and then moving on.
Should also clarify again for all the men downvoting this opion: I'm not a feminist. Simply saying what I have observed over the years. Thank you for your time.
Actually, if you delve further into it, the rape part was actually an accident. When feminists were fighting for the definition of rape to be changed so women who were unconscious would be included, they accidentally let men be defined.
Give me ONE example of a feminist fighting for the idea of a men's shelter.
Whether the origin was an accident or not, I have seen feminists fighting for awareness regarding male rape. I can't give you an example of feminists fighting for a men's shelter, I've just seen them talking about needing more awareness for male victims of domestic abuse.
It helps us lose our children!
It helps us lose our self worth!
It helps us lose our value!
It helps us lose our freedom!
It helps us lose our soul!
It helps us lose our family's!
It helps us lose our lives!
Feminism dosent help men it destroys men plain and simple!
GIVE THIS MAN LIKES.
2&5. No attention is on Male victims. Men's lives are being destroyed over unproven accusation, while women's aren't. And there is no push for demestic abuse shelters for men.
3. That has more to do with LGBTQ then feminists. Why are you taking credit for that?
4. What have feminists done or talked about with this? I've never heard anything about it.
1 was already talked about so I'm not going to repeat it
feminism helps men by letting women show their true colors. a man who is observant enough can tell sane women apart from the legions of insane women out there. lots of women here are saying that feminism helps men by freeing them from gender roles. BULLSHIT! making men more submissive and helping women be more dominant helps women, NOT MEN. feminist has helped governments to further oppress men not free men. but adversity makes strong people stronger. certain men are getting stronger because of the hatred they receive from and the oppression they face because of feminism. hopefully one day these men can destroy feminism and the people who pushed it all together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8B5d9lX5AY&list=PL7HeX2SUI9v84DMIawkSBzLRANIc9RQ7t&index=10&t=0s"feminism helps men by letting women show their true colors". So that means feminism help woman to show their true nature instead of acting like one. Well, women actually are hypergamy. So that means they are very selective and picky when it comes to dating. If you are not tall enough, average looking or good looking etc. women would not even look at you. That is how it is. It is their nature. Why do you complain. A woman is like that. Anyway you can choose to be gay.
@shinka1y234 Did i mention Hypergamy? anyway i don't care if women are selective but women should be careful what is their own worth. every woman wants a tall, rich handsome guy with great personality who adores them but do all women deserve that? no. that kind of guy is out of almost all women's league. that's why most women end up single and childless because they ignore men in their own league. i'm straight and can't just switch to be gay but sometimes i think about it and honestly those gay men are smart for not letting women in their lives
It doesn't.
You may have individuals who try to but they re a minority in the group and should probably turn egalitarian as that's a proper equality movement.
All the issues they say it help in only benefit themselves and they don't help men just for equality because it's a WOMEN'S EQUALITY MOVEMENT
e. g. improving women's rights to match men's
Not equality because that would include helping men's right be equal to women's
Tell me when have feminists protested , unfair divorce and alimony laws, the difficult of men reporting rape or the draught (in America).
All they do benefits only themselves they'd never take a bit to any of their advantages to make equality.