I had a discussion with two Liberals here and they had made such claims. The first one, a 35 yo Liberal man, claimed that "biracial children are better" -- clearly implying a relation of superiority toward other children -- just after denying the concept of race. Such doublethinking...Liberal doublethinkingThe other, a Liberal girl who is anything but smart, has suggested that being attracted to a person of your own race is something like incestuous and would lead to inbreeding, which is a so retarded idea and unscientific that only a SJW cultist could give credit to.The Liberal Flat Race TheoryI won't judge and I'm open to discuss this subject. In order to understand Liberal ideas, I have some questions:
1. Can you Libs show me any scientific evidence that mixed-race children are better than single-race children? Statistics about life expectancy, quality of life, IQ and social adjustment would be highly appreciated. You must start looking for stats of countries like Venezuela, Brazil and the diverse areas of the USA.
2. Do you Liberals really deny the concept of race? If race doesn't exist, how could you claim that biracial children are "better"?
3. I'm a White-European, as you'd say. How am I incestous and "inbreeder" for being married to a White-European woman who was born and raised more than 1000 kilometers away from the place I came from and for being the father of her child?
I've heard that mixed race children have better health but I don't know if that's true, apparently nothing ever proved it. Personally in terms of appearance I find "pure" people to be more attractive than mixed one. Too mixing race with a White person is not good because the child lose all his White features (no mixed child have European nose, light eyes or hair or if they do it's extremely rare). Meaning that light eyes and hair would become much more rare, etc...
All European have a common ancestor in my country is it said that 9 French out of 10 have Charlemagne as his ancestor, so we kind of are all related but is it from so far away it doesn't count and anyway all countries are like that. In Asia a tons of Asians have Genghis Khan as ancestor but nobody are going to say it's incestuous if they marry an Asians while being themselves an Asian...
There is no such thing as a nose type that is specific to Europeans.
Light eyes and hair are very common in mixed raced people. Maybe your location is hindering you but over here in Florida, especially in the urban areas like Miami, Tampa, and Orlando it is not uncommon to see a mixed-race person with blue/green/hazel eyes.
@Starrk There's, all race have different nose. Tell me do you see lots of Asian and Black who have Scarlett Johansson nose? Too all European doesn't have the same kind of nose, Italian don't have the same kind of nose than German. Some nose are more common in Italy and other are more common in Germany. Too didn't you heard the amount of POC complaining that the only nose people find attractive is the European based one?
It's not, don't lie to yourself. What do you call a mixed person? A Latino mixed with a White? If then that's not really a mix...
#ScrewInteracial and most liberals are just a bunch of programmed parrots who repeat what they hear in the media and societal brainwashed sheep who hardly ever think for themselves.
I believe that the idea of claiming that an entire group of people are superior solely because of their racial composition is labelled as "racist," but perhaps that only applies if the person doing the labeling is not a liberal.
no they are not... ask the biracial 20 somethings how their childhood was. you will have the answer...
as fare as race goes, its just another word for breed, used in the context of human beings..
ALL animals have different breeds within their species... humans are animals also, but animals with an ability to reason, plan and accomplish in a complex manner above and beyond any other animal...
anyone who claims that the different race's of people are not relevant in any way to life, is wrong and attempting to make others believe that we are all the same type of people. like other animals, the different breeds of humans have different traits, styles and the ability to do something better in some way than someone of another breed...
ALL breeds of dogs can be taught to do things, but generally speaking some breeds are better at doing some things than any other breed is, which is ok. human "breeds" are the same way... and it is NOT racist to know or think this... its just a fact of life.
what makes this all so taboo to talk about is because of our ability to KNOW we are all different from one another, and so we act and treat each other differently, even though we dont need to... and when there is hate or hazing involved in any way between the races, it can be (and usually is) considered racist... when there is hate or hazing involved within a single race, its not considered racist even though the acts of violence are exactly the same... all racism really is, is a double standard for those that were raised in a different culture than our own. you may not like it, understand it, or accept this view but that doesn't mean its not true...
1. Can you show any evidence that race exists outside of your nutty racist propaganda sites? Can you show actual peer-reviewed scientific studies or scientific organizations that back your nuttiness?
2. So since we are basically all "mixed" from a genetic standpoint. Can we get back to a common sense fact based conversation? Cultural identity/group identity exist. Some of us identify with one or more groups. Race is simply another form of group identity. If you want to pretend to be racially pure, do you. Being "mixed" is a just another subjective grouping mechanism. The only objective scientific standard is genetics. Genetics is a science.
3. You don't know if you are "White" European, Russian or Swedish, so figure out what you are first. Then maybe you can start threads about group identity from an informed viewpoint. As for "Europeans", they don't even agree they are one people. That's why Europeans group themselves by cultural identity. Only in the crazed nuttiness of America do Europeans or "partial" Europeans. . . dissolve and become "White". That's not totally accurate since there are Latinos in this forum who insist they are "White". I mean race is nuttiness anyway, I leave it to you decide that. Its funny how you guys avoid each other.
The point is being a "White" supremacist, your view is always about someone being better than someone else. We are all just human beings dude. It isn't all that complicated.
1. My opinions about race are not the the point of this discussion... Or else it'd start with, "Do you agree with me that...", if that were the case. I don't take the idea of race so seriously, it's a too broad concept and open to an endless number of variations, although I don't deny it. Liberals, on the other hand, have a weird relation with such concept: they deny race but give credit to it at the same time, and that's what I want to discuss.
2. "Race is simply another form of group identity".
I'd say that phenotype is more important than race as an element of group identity. There is no intrinsic relation of superiority or inferiority when it's just a kind of group preference.
3. "White-European, *as you'd say*". Again, I want to know people's opinions, I already know mine ones.
"Only in the crazed nuttiness of America do Europeans or "partial" Europeans dissolve and become White".
That's a good point and I never understood why your White counterparts end up denying their own cultural aspects to fit into a broader "Western/White" worldview.
There are not so many Latino people in Europe, I really appreciate Latin-American culture, I visited some countries in the American continent, but that doesn't make me an expert on Latino's issues. Knowing their ancestral peoples, the Spaniards and the Portuguese, I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Latino people are like 65% to 90% European according to some genetics study. I don't know exactly how the concept of race is discussed and viewed by Latinos, all I know is that Blacks still complain about racism in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Brazil, Mexico, so I presume that Latinos also have a strong "racial" element in their identities.
They think that because they've been tricked into thinking that. Race mixing is about universal ethnic cleansing and genocide of all races on earth. This is why I strongly advocate for an ethnic nationalist alliance consisting of ethnic nationalists of all races. We can get together and form healthy ethnostates. Even if we had to buy a town and section it off to create two or three other towns that would act like individual nations filled with each race that's there it would be worth it at least temporarily. There are reasons other than supremacist beliefs to be with ones own race. We evolved that way and it's what's healthy, further more being in a "multi cultural" society is unhealthy. If we work together we can preserve our races and cultures, eliminate race hate and create a healthy environment in which to live for all our peoples. Race evolved so that people could live and work together for survival on planet earth. No one knows you like a member of your own race, you're evolved to work hand in hand. Anything else is sub standard at best.
I actually think that Race is Scientific and that there's been a lie spread about how it's only a social construct.
It was said to be a social construct so that people don't think it's important to preserve traits, so that they can mix out their unique traits.
It's said so that white people can be mixed out of existence. That may sound like a Nazi Idealogy, but they may be actually correct. nobody listen to them because they are considered bad. Of course a Scientist can say something knowing that everyone will believe them for being Scientists. Call me crazy for saying that, but I think I may be right.
Because Gender is a social construct but it's also biological. In fact, everything is a social construct, doesn't mean that it's not true.
Idiocracy is becoming real and it's scary. Whites are the only ethnic group to have every possible hair and eye color, while non whites just have basic black hair and brown eyes...
white people are the only ethnic group seen as being "evil" as if non whites are innocent little angels who have never done a single terrible act in their fucking lives.
It's an agenda that's working. If race IS a social construct, then how in the fuck can a person of mixed race be "healthier" or "More Intelligent and better looking" than a person of single Race?
Why did you jump to conclusions? She was just suggesting that it's wrong to fetishicise children.*
Did I? I asked for a confirmation of something. If it seems like I'm trying to trap her in a position then I can assure you that is not what I'm doing.
@sheepdip To answer your question, no, I don't dislike mix raced children. I love that people can love each other no matter the race, culture, etc. I do however, dislike when people want mixed raced kids for the fact they think they're "better" that means they are only with a different race for fetish reasons. That to me, is weird and gross.
*You tried to shame her by making that implicit accusation. Stop being disingenuous, you owe her apologies.*
I think I am an authority on my own intentions and it was not, nor is it my intention to shame anyone. I asked for clarification and that was it. If @Rocky_Jocky57 would like an apology then I'll give her one if she felt maligned.
OK, she was very specific about disliking this horrible attitude of fetishicising children. Horrible, because children are human beings, not accessories.
And what did you disingenuously do? You tried to make it be about hatred. "Do you dislike mixed race people?", you asked in an obvious attempt to shame the OP. I mean, what is the correlation of thinking that fetishicising children is wrong and hating mixed-race people? None, of course, except for people like you, who probably think it is OK to use mixed-race children as props on Instagram.
It's not my fault of you lack honesty and decency and got called out because of it.
*OK, she was very specific about disliking this horrible attitude of fetishicising children. Horrible, because children are human beings, not accessories.*
And I thanked her for the confirmation. Her initial post could have been read as either *people are fetishising mixed race kids* or *people have who race mix are fetishistic*
Could I have worded it better, sure, and if this has offended you (an individual only tangentially connected to our own discussion) then... well, aww bless.
*And what did you disingenuously do? You tried to make it be about hatred.*
No, if I wanted to say it was about hatred of have said "do you hate these people." I wanted to see what one as dealing with.
* "Do you dislike mixed race people?", you asked in an obvious attempt to shame the OP.*
Obvious to someone with a bias perhaps.
* I mean, what is the correlation of thinking that fetishicising children is wrong and hating mixed-race people*
Because that was not what I saw in the initial comment and I understood it could have a duel meaning. Rather than say "what do you mean" I opted for something more specific that did not risk a lengthy back and forth.
*None, of course, except for people like you, who probably think it is OK to use mixed-race children as props on Instagram.*
Oh no, my feelings. Odd how you attempt to shame me for supposed positions I hold when that is what you are accusing me of. How noble.
I work with disabled kids. If I wanted to milk sympathy and empathy I have a better pool to draw from.
*It's not my fault of you lack honesty and decency and got called out because of it.*
And its not mine if you disbelieve me. Have at it.
I agree. When people talk about race mixing they only refer to mixing with whites. Non whites see white people as the most attractive, but they never admit it. Some folks won't even date their own race because they have such a strong infatuation with having half white kids.
I can't argue for someone else's position without knowing the entirety of their argument.
However, I think what they are saying is that children with a diverse genetic heritage are more likely to have genetic markers for immunities and are mislabeling this as "mixed race kids are better".
From a social point of view, kids are just kids and all as sanity draining as each other in my view.
I will say that - having seen some of your things in the past - I disagree that there is any more inherent value to one race over any other. You may have changed your opinion on this, or I may have missremembered this.
Race is largely a social construct - we label the variation trends we see in people and ascribe them the label of race. It's mostly due to how language evolves that we retain the term.
People should be held accountable for what they say and do, so I'm not going to make excuses for their statements. Stop steelmanning dumb arguments, what those Liberals said is nonsense and reeks of racist eugenics.
*People should be held accountable for what they say and do, so I'm not going to make excuses for their statements*
And how is what I said a problem? I'm giving you what I think they were trying to communicate.
*Stop steelmanning dumb arguments, what those Liberals said is nonsense and reeks of racist eugenics.*
I'm giving you the reason I think they gave you those arguments from a liberal perspective. What is wrong with steelmanning a position, even if it is just an intellectual exercise? Have you cogent rebuttals to it?
If that's true, then the people of Latin America, who are virtually all mixed, should be more advanced and superior to the white people in North America and Europe. That's just not happening. They're about a hundred years behind, and trying to migrate to North America.
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Saying that children that are mixed race are better than children of a single race is the definition of racist. When did this line of thinking start? People are not better for being this or that race, race has nothing to do with it, and I completely oppose the idea.
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No, mixed race children aren't better than any race. Often creates social issues and lack of belonging, and unaware of their identity and their genetic history. Some people just want to push the race mixing narrative shown within the media and throughout every TV advert and TV programme. Diversity isn't a strength it's a weakness and creates division, and many other issues. Stick with your own and keep your bloodline flowing, the people that see and compare it to being incestuous clearly lack the ability to have a debate without needing to insult people that have a difference of opinions. People of colour have many issues and producing a biracial child doesn't mean these will go away or be less of an issue, often more of an issue.
better? i think most liberals would see the irony in someone saying that when you consider most liberals dont see anyone as better than anyone else... great attempt at telling us what we think again though #facepalm
Stop steelmanning the dumb arguments of your peers. They were clear in establishing a relation of superiority of mixed-race people to single-race ones.
you are the one who is yet again using the site to push a right wing agenda and simplistic attack on people of the west that have more liberal views than you... if you want to continue using the site to do this you will always be challenged... not my fault if that triggers you to decend to insults... not my fault you dont come here to actually discuss a subject and its not my fault you will only upvote those that see you as some kind of racism facillitator but as i have said many times... if you wish to put words into the mouths of more liberal thinkers than yourself ofcourse liberals are going to point out that we dont think that way at all... should i tar you with the same brush as the guy driving that car in charlotsville? ofcourse not. its about time you learned people are individuals and accepted them as such... that way you might actually learn something rather than revelling in your own ignorance and those that love your echo chamber rhetoric. and i thought you understood 'the spectacle'. how wrong i was
No. Genetic diversity doesn't exist because you only have 46 chromosomes. We only have only a limited amount of space to store genetic material. This means that you can't add extra material to make it more diverse.
No I don’t think any race is better then any other race, The only race I think would be better is they came from another planet to earth since we don’t have the means to travel across space yet they would be the superior race
You are just in denial, these ideas are VERY COMMON among your peers. Since "race mixing will save the world from hatred and kill racism" to "race mixing creates people who are healthier/smarter/more beautiful than their single-race counterparts".
It's not my fault if your peers are a bunch of retards who embrace these stupid ideas.
No, that's not the idea of my peers. Maybe that's what your paranoia is telling you, but in the realm of reality, this idea that you're so desperately trying to project onto others is false.
If what you were saying was true, then liberals all around the world will be flocking to interracial relationships. I mean, who wouldn't want their kids to win the genetic lottery of being superior to others? The fact that liberals are not doing such thing must mean that this idea that your projecting on liberals must not be a widespread idea amongst the group.
That's false. The fact that Liberals generally aren't "flocking in interracial relationships" doesn't prevent them from having a neurotic opinion about these relationships and mixed-race children. In fact, a significant number of Liberals fetishicise both, and do it for the most stupid reasons someone could have: supposedly, interracial relationships may end racism and mixed-race children may be genetically stronger than their single-race counterparts. Both statements are irrational and unscientific, but since when were reason and science valued by Libs?
The reason why Liberals might choose a White partner is merely mathematical, they live in predominately White areas. Cultural differences maybe play a role too. But it's a fact that White Liberals are the only group in the Western societies that exhibits an outgroup bias. I mean, they are self-deprecating and have a bias against their own people, that's a concerning sign of social decaying.
Well, all of this sounds more like an opinion than fact. Maybe you're conflating the views of a few individuals online or in your environment onto the entire, which is common amongst people who are deeply entrenched in outgroup/ingroup think. All I can say is that the views you are so desperately trying to blanket on liberals is false and is not what most liberals believe in.
For example, I can't count how many times I've encountered some lowlife conservative who would swear on the bible that whites are inherently superior to other races and then proceed to misconstrue science to prove their views. Despite most of these people being "conservative", it would be disingenuous of me to blanket the entire conservative population with such views.
If you want to believe that Liberals believe in such foolishness, then go ahead, but don't get upset when Liberals make generalizations about Conservatives.
Oh, big deal! Liberals make generalisations about Conservatives all the time, most of them call us all sorts of names, they strawman our beliefs, they are already saying that we are all misogynistracistnaziwhitesupremacistswhowanttokillminorities and I'm not even concerned about it. What concerns me is that the White Liberal culture is highly dysfunctional since it's based on self-deprecation, outgroup bias, pathological guilt, on a lack of pride and aversion to honour. White Liberals are immature and their communities will fail just as Black-American communities did.
It's not the kind of influence I want for Europe...
You Americans can keep destroying your people and communities however you want. But stay away from Europe! Your shitshow is not welcome here.
The same exact things can be said about Conservatives who employ a wide variety of fallacies to prove their point. This is why the name-calling between Conservatives and Liberals is so funny because every name they call the other can easily be applied to them. It's a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black.
It would be nice to see all races preserved. I happen to be in a interracial marriage and love my family but I think its boring if we all loose our background.
"Better" as in genetic diversity? Iceland seems to be having a hell of a problem with the lack of it. Maybe sharpen the scope of your question so it's not so politically loaded and less vague.
There is such a thing as hybrid vigor, at least in the first generation; especially in a small population with vey high linebreeding. However, it need not be race only from a population that is no closely related. For example. French and Russian.
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