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Laws regarding at-will employment really need a rework. In no sane society should you be fired for an opinion (or for smoking weed on your *OFF* time..)
Free speech rights also need to be expanded so they protect you from more than just the government. Corporations are getting too much power over our lives and that needs to be curtailed.
This:
"Laws regarding at-will employment really need a rework. In no sane society should you be fired for an opinion"
is niot something you really want.
You have a First Amendment right to say whatever your want but you do NOT have a constitutional right to be protected from the subsequent consequences which includes other's First Amendment rights to disagree with you and not want to associate with you.
Let's say you own a company and have an employee who says or does thing that alienates your customers or creates a work environment that is adversely affecting your other employees. In your idealistic world, you can't do squat. In reality, you'll want that employee to be separated from your company because he or she is costing you time, money, and aggravation having to deal with the drama in your workplace.
@abc3643 Posting "white lives matter" on social media doesn't do jack to the business.
I would never have a problem with my employees having an opinion so long as they just focused on their work and kept the debates and whatnot to their off hours.
The same thing can be said with smoking weed. Just don't do it at work or come to work high and I won't care
EZ.
@abc3643 as I keep saying, it's about nuance. It's understandable not to want racist employees, but saying you don't like a particular movement isn't reasonable grounds for firing someone in my opinion. The US likes to hark on about its alleged freedoms. Freedoms for corporations to totally screw you over. If you get fired, you're literally fucked. And you can get fired for pretty much nothing there.
Like I said elsewhere, too. The business doesn't give a shit about you, or the movement itself, and only pays lipservice to what ever is politically trendy to keep its customer base happy. In essence, it's not acting out of any benevolence.
@Levin which is why I want them to have actual regulation. But the politicians are bought and are never going to do that.
I still don't get why the freedom thing is actually believed. How can freedom be so narrowly defined? At least we have some sort of employee protection here. Well I mean, at the moment...
@Levin
THIS:
" In essence, it's not acting out of any benevolence."
Yes, for the most part, that is true and has been since the Reagan Administration begain in 1981.
That is when "Greed Is Good" began and unions were attacked and it all became about the bottom line. Legally so too. Gotta make money for the stockholders... so, if firing 5% increases stock value by 4% (and increases your bottom line with a performance bonus), then so be it.
Sadly, this is mostly still true which is why I am a contractor now. I get no benefits or sick time.
I work, I get paid.
I don't work, I don't get paid.
So, if I want 5 weeks of vacation a year, I'm going to give myself 5 weeks unpaid vacation a year with no guilt... (as long as that does not put a burden on the project).
All of that said, Bernie and the young left have recognized this and SOME companies are turning around. It will change for the better - at least for a generation or two until the next Reagan comes along to fuck everything up.
@abc3643 That's surprising, I expected you to disagree with me :)
I'm ok with this because it's been like this forever. What you post online is there forever so if you post some racist stuff and your employers see it well then good luck.
It's also not just racist stuff. It can be anything. Like I knew someone that basically posted how much he hated his employer. And then when they found out of course he got canned.
no they shouldn't people are being fired for having used the word "n**" like 20 years ago on twitter... this is unacceptable.
being a racist isn't illegal. if you are in a position, where you being racist segregates people (human resource and such), i agree you should be fired but not in positions where it doesn't matter.
Discrimination based on race should be illegal in all forms
does that include "affirmative action"?
@David_Kek
Do you know what affirmative action is? I mean do you actually read the legal requirements of it and the ramifications?
@Hypnos0929 well in my country it is legally called "positive discrimination"... so enlighten me
@David_Kek
What exactly is your country and who called it positive discrimination.
@Hypnos0929 Interesting, in the last few years the laws changed, now they call it "Positive Action". In the older system they had a quota system that needed to reflect the local demographics, but now they've included merit on paper into that system, but not really. One of the exceptions is if you have two candidates that are equally qualified on paper (in my experience toilet paper qualification don't mean shit in regards to an employees work merit), then you have to choose the minority if your demographics don't match the rest of society, regardless if the reason you'd rather hire the other one has nothing to do with their race.
No matter what way you slice it, that is still racial discrimination in favor of minority groups. Not even including the other exceptions, it is genuinely not possible tog et rid of any type of discrimination in all forms.
Iyou don't count that
@David_Kek
What country?
And furthermore you just admitted there is no quota. So do you have physical proof and data that hiring managers choose underqualified minorities over qualified majorities? Have you considered that both applicants are equal and they chose the minority because they had a better personality or confidence or fit the image they wanted to create?
It sounds like you've fallen into the College administration's complainer category: In this a person complains that they didn't get into their pick of school (s) but some minority who they considered underqualified did. What they fail to realize is both have different essays to write, different references from teachers, different goals in majors and different approaches to interviews.
@Hypnos0929 UK.
I've just told you, under the law they legally have to choose the minority if both applicants have the same qualifications (on paper) and said minority are underrepresented in that workplace relative to their demographics in society.
That is racial discrimination under the law. And again, that's not even including the other exceptions.
@David_Kek
Section 159 of the Equality Act 2010 allows an employer to treat an applicant or employee with a protected characteristic (eg race, sex or age) more favourably in connection with recruitment or promotion than someone without that characteristic who is as qualified for the role. The employer must reasonably think that people with the protected characteristic suffer a disadvantage or are under-represented in that particular activity.
So yeah they are not required to choose the minority candidate.
@Hypnos0929 unless they are equally qualified (paper), in which case then they do have quotas to fill
(on paper)
@David_Kek
So basically you just don't care what the law is... because that's what I'm understanding right now.
@Hypnos0929 I have literally just told you, in my country if you are an employer and you have two candidates with the same qualifications On Paper, and you don't have "enough" ethic minorities in your workplace to reflect the demographics of society, then you are committing a crime if you decide to hire the other one over the ethic minority because of some other metric you're using such as personality.
Why is that difficult for you to understand?
@David_Kek
I literally just proved you wrong and you're still saying the same thing... kinda shows that you hate the truth.
Show me the law which states a business is required to reflect the area's demographics.
@Hypnos0929 www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/159
1.
"(4) But subsection (2) applies only if—
(a) A is as qualified as B to be recruited or promoted,
(b) P does not have a policy of treating persons who share the protected characteristic more favourably in connection with recruitment or promotion than persons who do not share it, and
(c) taking the action in question is a proportionate means of achieving the aim referred to in subsection (2)."
2.
"(2) Part 5 (work) does not prohibit P from taking action within subsection (3) with the aim of enabling or encouraging persons who share the protected characteristic to—
(a) overcome or minimise that disadvantage, or
(b) participate in that activity."
3.
"(5)“Recruitment” means a process for deciding whether to—
(a) offer employment to a person,
(b) make contract work available to a contract worker,
(c) offer a person a position as a partner in a firm or proposed firm,
(d) offer a person a position as a member of an LLP or proposed LLP,
(e) offer a person a pupillage or tenancy in barristers' chambers,
(f) take a person as an advocate's devil or offer a person membership of an advocate's stable,
(g) offer a person an appointment to a personal office,
(h) offer a person an appointment to a public office, recommend a person for such an appointment or approve a person's appointment to a public office, or
(i) offer a person a service for finding employment."
@Hypnos0929 The key there is 1a and 4a.
Sorry, 1b
"(1) This section applies if a person (P) reasonably thinks that—
(a) persons who share a protected characteristic suffer a disadvantage connected to the characteristic, or
(b) participation in an activity by persons who share a protected characteristic is disproportionately low."
"(4) But subsection (2) applies only if—
(a) A is as qualified as B to be recruited or promoted,"
I can see why such people would be fired. Their prejudice and behaviors can reflect poorly on the company they work for.
Speech and expression has consequences. Many people don’t realize in this age of broadcast thyself, in a lot of cases they’re figuratively sticking a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger.
democracy depends on the ability to share our honest opinions without consequence. if we can't do that then we can't be in a democracy. eventually people will stop talking. and people who have been forced to stop talking? well... they have the right to violence
Don’t disagree with you in principle but you miss the point.
yea i know what you mean, they should be more careful... but they shouldn't have to be careful, they should be free
Your job is not the government. If you do some racist stuff your job can lose revenue because of your racism. People who say they have a 1st amendment right to be racist are correct. But what they get confused is their job is not the government. They are a private company and money is their first concern.
Not trying to excuse peoples actions but i feel what people do outside of work is their own business. If it doesn't effect the work they do then i see no reason to punish them. To me its the same as firing someone because they dont put the toilet seat down. But as i said, if it happened at the workplace then thats different
when someone got fired because they are racist.. you send them straight to the street where they can be more racist and hatefull..
so if you keep them and educate them instead of firing... you might get a chance of make him understand the problematic behavior they are having..
otherwise it is not a solution to firing people.. it will make them even worse then before.
So if your HR representatives or hiring manager is racist then you think it's better to keep them and face lawsuits because you knew than fire them?
There's some places where you can teach people but some jobs shouldn't be open to people with certain mindsets. I worked on a fair housing site for a bit and they fired a guy years before me because a person looking at the property asked which neighbors were the "best" (then kept alluding to how to avoid black parts despite the fact it was a private community with strict guidelines) and he told him. What he did could have become a federal office and violated housing laws.
@Hypnos0929 did you read what i typed? i didn't say dont fire racist people.. i just think it is not productive way for solution..
it doesn't solve anything other than saving our asses..
look, if you have a co-worker with this mindset, try to change his mindset. dont fire him entirely out of business.
not all people reach the light as you do.. some people raised certain way in their life. they have a right to live and earn money... if you take it away like this. you will make them angry more then he was in the job.
whenever you notice anything like this.. give out 2 options. either you stop this. or we will have to fire you.. its that simple. we can communicate right?
You realize you're talking in circles right? You're saying "Don't fire the racist person, teach them instead". So in the meantime what do you think is gonna happen? You think they'll stop being racist?
And when you're a manager a racist is a liability, not your personal pet project for you to change. This is why companies do so many seminars and meetings on things like online presence and sexual harassment almost semi-annually or before you even start the job.
@Hypnos0929 then do more decent research before hiring people.
you dont think like a racist person.. lets say im racist. i do racist stuff.. one morning i come to work and my employer fires me the because very reason i already hate. lets say in this case hispanic peeps. he comes to me and says 'mate we got sick of you being racist. there is the door.. pack your stuff and bugger of" then what would you think im gonna do? i'll go to internet... and whinge about i got fired.. because some hispaniards stealing our jobs etc.. and spread the hate bubble...
so what im suggesting is.. either take serious procautions. apply better sentences.. like if you are racist.. lets say community service. let them gather litter under the bridge or park for a year or so.. or make them pay hefty fee.. but firing someone just makes the problem go away for the business owner.. not the damn community. that person is still in the streets doing racist stuff all around the town since he is out of the job..
And that's why your thinking is completely wrong.
Racist people don't change until they are forced to. That guy who hates Latinos was never going to listen to you because he knew the consequences of his actions and didn't care.
Like I said before as a manager a racist is a liability not a pet project.
@Hypnos0929 so your aproach solved the problem of racisim it seems.
No it doesn't but it gets rid of a racist from your company and teaches them their behavior won't be tolerated.
Like a kid yelling in a candy story you can't just by them candy and look to teach them later, especially if they yelled knowing that there would be consequences.
@Hypnos0929 are you certain that it "Teaches"?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. People are free to say what they want but they have to answer for it. It just means they won’t get thrown in prison.
Yup! Totally agree. Just because you can say it, doesn’t mean you’re free from the consequences later on. 👍
It’s bullshit that people try to hide behind free speech. Imagine if a guy shouts the wrong name out in bed and when his girlfriend goes ape shit at him he says why u getting mad, it’s freedom of speech!
It's wrong but because the definition of racism is very broad these days. For instance coal miners in a photo from from the 1960's was called racist because the miners had black faces. I'm like realy people they are mingling fucking coal get a famn grip
They have a right to speak as they choose. Their employer has the right to dismiss them if they are found obnoxious.
democracy can't survive like that for long
Free speech is more important than feelings. Cancel culture is creating a chilling effect which is stifling the free exchange of idea. it's moral-hazard to fire someone for wrong think. I say this as an atheist that remembers the time Christians had the moral stronghold on the US. I'm afraid of blowback in the future.
Actually it's not all about feelings. It's all about morals. I have nothing to do about Christians having a more stronghold because we all need a more phone calls. It doesn't matter if it's this country or any other country. If you know you're doing something that is improper and incorrect, then is less to do about free speech and more to do about the intent. There's a good reason why in some countries like in Japan, China, etc, take stuff like this very seriously. If you were caught in adultery yes you deserve to have everybody to know your business. Because now it affects other people. I don't agree with everything else that tries to change the historical landscape of something. But what I don't like is the hypocrisy. These rules apply to everybody and not who they want to make an example out of. I wouldn't go as far to say it's a moral hazard. But I will say that the person definitely should be brought into review if not suspension. And only to be fired when proven to be hazardous.
@btbc92 So what happens when a person lies? and groups people ignore the truth for personal gain. Using smearing to destroy your "enemy" has been done for as long as human civilization existed. It's a moral-hazard.
It's not a moral hazard. If a person lies they need to be reprimended for the lie, and the group who ignore these things needs to be handled. These things go unchecked because nobody opens up theor mouth and say something. And can't do so without physical threats. Any form of smearing being done should be handled appropriately. If somebody is doing something they should not be doing, they should be handled.
I had plenty of people try to use lies to smear at me for things I didn't do. Only to find out they were doing the things they accused me of. You can gaurentee my intuition told me who I dealt with. And the few that did get caught, you can be sure I was glad somebody took legal action. One whom was caught for fraud for the span of the years I was there. And I was but a teen. They never believed a "kid". Thank God an adult employee of that place stepped up and blew the whistle.
@btbc92 How would you reprimand a large group of anon people making up lies? and who is going to keep them in check?
I would gather every person accused in one setting and make sure every person called by name is in. Both privately and in a group. I would have each person speak about what is being said and done, with physical evidence also given. Otherwise it's heresay.
With evidence given, I would evulate without biased what is being said and look of it meets free speech or not. If the person is directly targeting the other, I would talk to them about why they are doing it. Then I will speak to the target equally in private. If found that both are at fault, both will be handled with a warning.
Now with heresay, I will do similar. Bout I would have them in a group to speak freely. No different than I do here. And if I find discrepancies on either end. Again, the people I see are in the wrong will be reprimanded with a warning. Or find a compromise. If neither or complies, they are fired. Point blink. No VIP exemptions here.
Everybody will be held yo accountability to decide what kind of work place they wish to have, or deal with the problem. Because of I have to step in, there will be fireworks going off, and where it hits it will hit. Don't want that, get along or don't work here. If there is bullying if any kind, somebody is going to lose a paycheck. That's for sure. They can get their lawyer, court, gov, whoever, if I was the boss, what I say goes as long it complies to law, or get out.
@btbc92 lol I think we have enough problem in the world to care about a trial based on hurt feelings. it's such as waste of time.
And this is why things going where it goes on and why people end up losing their job. And about having enough problems in the world. Because having enough problems in the world ain't going to fix itself if you don't fix the problems already right in front of you. Thanks what goes on in your space before you try to fix problems in other people's spaces.
Fix*
Because remember. You just said that we have enough problems in the world to care about a trial based on hurt feelings. Well then there should be no hurt feelings if somebody ends up losing their job, or get kicked out of school.
This is exactly what I'm talking about people being Hypocrites when they want to say everything isn't black and white. But it's only black and white when it only benefits and appeals to them. No, either your all in or your completely out. Don't have one foot in one door and one foot out also.
@btbc92 I'm an atheist, the entire reason the term Blasphamy exist is because of people like me! I don't see a large diffrence.
I don't see how you been an atheist have anything to do with goes on in your job? No blasphemy has long existed way before you and I were ever born onto this planet. People are going to judge you by the things that you do. Not your religious or a irreligious affiliation unless he's done out of prejudice. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. That's how it goes in this world. Nobody cares about all that silly stuff. And this is coming from a Christian.
The laws doesn't care about your feelings remember?
@btbc92 atheism has to do with an absence of a belief ( god in this case) it has a lot in common with having other lack of beliefs because I'm aware you can choose to not subscribe to somthing. in this case Social justice ( which I consider to be a religion also) For me my lack of belief in god ( for me since a child) has made me into what I am today, a skepic. I firmly understand the power of having to be forced to choose in believing in something I don't want to, because I have experienced it. I have also experience what repentance is for going against the grain.
Again, what does atheism have anything to do with it? Nothing. Everything in this world is religion. But I can't tell you this that God have nothing to do with religion. He is what he is no different than We Are Who We Are. The point I am making to you is that if people have a certain rule or law that must be followed no matter what jurisdiction you're in, you have a choice to either follow that rule along or you don't. And if you got caught singing and doing things that is out of line, that has nothing to do with the message you're trying to present out of bad intent, then you're going to be reprimanded by that standard. That goes for anybody. Atheism, religion, Faith, beliefs, Etc have zero to do with it.
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I'm pretty sure your job, your school, or wherever it is that you go to is not going to care if you're religious, not religious, believe in God, or not unless you come with an agenda of your own. And the case of the question by the Asker, a d what she posted. The person addressed for her hate for Chinese people because of the virus, etc is relevant. The hate is the problem. Not so much what she said. Especially when she tries to speak for everybody. That's why she was removed, exposed and publically humillated.
@btbc92 I don't like Dogma imposed on me. "The greater the dogma the greater the ignorance." I rather be dead, or jailed then to be forced to bow to dogma.
Then don't go to work, school or affiliate with the outside world. Become a hermit if it makes you feel better. You apparently have a lot of Hang-Ups about Christianity and everything else because that's the first thing you wanted to put up in your original post. I'm telling you as a person regardless if anybody's picking on not what it is is what it is and if you don't like it then that's too bad. This has nothing to do with Christianity or religion or your atheism. This have to do with laws. And you don't have to like laws no different than I don't have to like certain laws. What if a law comes to pass is no longer about what I like. I have a choice just like you have a choice. As the argument still stands, people are getting fired for racist comments Etc again that doesn't reflect on a message being presented, and this is what we're talkin about. Not about who's who.
@btbc92 With the way things are going, the West is going to have another Great schism. I've read and seen history before. "The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it
Finding beauty in the dissonance"
Correction @beefy40, the entire world is in BIG trouble. And this is what we "Christians" tried to warn you for eons. Now you asked for what hmmay of you now don't want. It's already happening. All of us are screwed.
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Welcome to A Whole New World when now your rights are going to forcefully be taken away.
The world has more than just white peoples in it, and that mean companies have a variety of races as their customers to have a racist or bigot of any kind on staff is bad for business and the companies reputation as a whole, it may drive minority customers to other businesses
If they are dumb enough to post ignorant stuff they should be repercussions and I’m about to piss off all the conservatives in here but there should be some limits on freedom of speech now the first story wasn’t as bad as other ones I’ve seen but that second women should have definitely lost her job and should have been banned from whatever platform she was using she was just saying the most disrespectful and ignorant things she could say and just fueling white supremacy
I know you so wish you are pushing off all Conservatives. Most of us are laughing at you. We already know where the country is going and are prepared for it. We make money. We save our money. And most of us know truth, like this from sports analyst black man Jason Whitlock. www.theblaze.com/.../whitlock-veneration-of-george-floyd-is-racist-and-must-be-stopped
Who said I was pushing off conservatives 😂I just shared my opinion on the topic it’s not my fault that conservatives want to live in a country where a white person can threaten and troll a black person online or in real life without any repercussions
Autocorrect hit me and I didn’t proofread. I meant to say “pissing”
Yes.
If you got the balls to walk up to a person of color, sexual origin, or whatever else, because YOU, personally feel they DO NOT FIT the narrative dictated to you by talking points or talking heads from a certain news organization or news affiliation, or go by with what your friends (or so called friends say) Blind leading the Blind - and you alienate someones personal space because of their color, and you are caught on camera doing so, then you deserve what you get..
They shouldn't be but companies have taken the position that what their employees say in public or on social media also reflects on the company, i. e. since John Doe says this and works at XYZA, Inc., then XYZA, Inc. must be that way too since they hired him.
That's part of the reason more and more companies searches for social media posts of any prospective employee nowadays.
Of course. Having a racist employed at your business is bad PR for you and will potentially scare away customers. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from consequences of your speech.
Which is precisely why the racists are so petrified of becoming a minority.
Two major elements of power become lost when a group that was the majority becomes the minority:
1) voting power
2) spending power
The “spending power” is what is takin place in terms of this question. Companies know the demographic shifts, and they know that alienating certain groups of the population is dire for profits and growth.
Having an opinion (especially a valid one) should not be punished.
Saying “Burn all blacks” would be a racial hate speak and should be reprimanded but that isn’t what most people are getting fired over.
White people are attacked openly online and in real life all the time (mostly by blacks) and they are NEVER punished.
Stating that white lives matter isn’t racist. It shouldn't be punished.
If you don't want to suffer the consequences of being a piece of shit then don't act shitty
democracy depends on the right to offend eachother without consequence, or we can't have democracy
if people can't share their opinions then violence is their inevitable choice... and their right
@007kingifrit let's let XKCD explain this.
![There has been a recent increase of firings for people being racist online via social media. Do you agree these people should lose their jobs?]()
that doesn't respond to what i said at all, i didn't question what was and wasn't protected by the constitution
i said democracy cannot survive if we don't have the right to offend eachother without consequence
@007kingifrit that isn't how that works, there are an have always been social consequences for what you say and do.
If you repeatedly make an ass of yourself even in a democratic country you alienate people.
This isn't new, this isn't a hard concept to grasp.
It's just now since the civil rights movement, being openly racist can have social consequences.
In the past being a certain race or religion could get you ostracized, now it's being a bigot
what's new is the mob mentality and the technology that allows them to make it. this is new
and democracy cannot take this for long. we need new updated protections in the social media age
If we held everyone accountable of past actions we'd all be in trouble, plus, more than halve of these things aren't even racist, it's just people having thin skin. No they shouldn't be fired for stuff on social media but if they display racism at their job wholeheartedly fire them sure
Should people lose their job for being stupid? yeah 😂
(Imagine having your PhD revoked and your career into the trash because you're dumb enough to harass people using your actual identity)
Imagine taking political opinions on a site called "girlsaskguys" seriously lol
that's like taking opinions of Mongolian farmers on spaceships seriously.
Undoubtedly they have a lot to say about spaceships, after all it's a popular topic, though if they had understood anything about spaceships, they would not be farmers.
Lol dude
Yes ever since using this site I have accumulated quite a lot of experience talking to people who like to make confident assertions about things they have zero understanding of, from Quantum field to the pandemic.
For everyone saying that actions have consequences... well that seems to be a one way street now. I remember the minority female who rioted in Baltimore years back breaking glass and help set fires, she was fine. Same for today‘s riots and even reporters , say horrible things about whites or the Right and no problem. For conservatives, even glance at a black or the Left’s issues and be fired. This double standard helps drive hate.
If their employer deems them a detriment to the company then yes, they should be fired. If the employer does not then the employer is either unwise or deals with largely bigoted clientele.
For the most part, no they shouldn't. Words can be ignored, and people have the freedom to say whatever they want to say. Unless such words include threats of violence and/or death.
I actually do just because these people are literally dumb enough to post this crap on social media in the first place or literally keep spouting their crap while staring straight into cameras
in some cases there is no way they could have known as the media hadn't started lying yet
take the women in central park, Mrs. cooper was threatened by the black guy he said "if you are going to do what you want i am going to do whatever i want and you aren't going to like it" that's a threat
so she called 911... as she should have
If you can't respect all races, genders and sexualities then you deserve to get fired
Saying "All lives matter" shouldn't be enough to get you fired.
"I am a Nazi" maybe.
Cancel culture has taken over. A bunch of cry-babies.
they aren't just cry babies... they just use crying as an excuse to gain power. they are dangerous to our lives
@007kingifrit - Agree, absolutely. The BLM and SJW's are useful pawns for the marxist-communist effort to overthrow this country. And too many weak-minded people fold under pressure. No one wants to be a racist, and that's the best way to gain power over people - call them racist and get them cancelled.
I predict a relatively short life for all this. But if they put Biden in on the election, this country will crumble. You'll see.
Yes you should, also a good moral lesson for them to not add any friends from work on social media.
Yes you should, also a good moral lesson for them to not add any ACQUAINTANCES from work on social media. FTFY
@kespethdude Yep ditto.
nobody should even HAVE social media
So, the whole rights is only guaranteed in a government setting or public space is not true. If it were, then businesses could discriminate, but they cannot.
24 stupid women got hurt feelings for calling my black friend a big dick when he literally has a big dick.
This shit is getting out of hand.
We will have a opinion dictatorship, its already growing
Places already have that. In some countries you can be killed if you speak negatively about the government. This is just losing your job, I don’t think we’re gonna kill people for being racist.
Oh they gonna do. If no one soon stops those racist blms they gonna murder people. They already chanting for it. There is militia of black people demanding a own state in the US.
If the demands are not met the said they will take texas by force
... source please?
caldronpool.com/.../
RIP.
This hole thing is getting out of hand.
People are angry for the right reasons. I get it!
But hey I am sure that plasma TV you stole during a riot from a shop will make black children have a easier access to education. No doubt...
I think it depends on the scenario. Like just saying white lives matter and having a confederate flag shouldn't cause someone to lose their jobs.
who decides who is racist? Liberals think all conservatives are racist.
I don’t. Boyfriend has conservative parents and they’re not racist.
Why I don't have social media and maintain a low profile.
That teacher fully deserved a job loss.
It's funny when people say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence from private people."
Maybe i'll go get some black people fired for voting. "Freedom to vote doesn't mean freedom from consequence from private people."
People say that because that's the truth. The first amendment only is about the government. And Companies aren't apart of the government so they can fire anyone they want to for what they say
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." constitution.congress.gov/.../
I'm truly sorry that you can't take the consequences for being racist and I'm sorry that you can't understand that companies don't want to be associated with racism.
Also going out of your way to obstruct people from voting in the elections is a federal crime :)
LOL no one said stop people from voting 😂 just give them consequences if they vote the way. I'm sorry you don't understand that companies might not want to be associated with certain political positions.
@Fanglite2 after all, no amendment says private companies can't fire you for xyz political position. So if i decide to get black people fired for voting for xyx candidate or xyz bill that's totally legal and fine!
2 questions for you: Why target only people of color? Second, how would you know who they vote for? Voting is confidential.
If you support the right to fire people for 'racism' you can't argue against firing people for how they vote. You have no constitutional right to support xyz candidate or bill without 'consequences' such as being fired.
You just contraindicated yourself. You said nobody said anything about stopping people from voting. But you then said fire black people for voting. If a company is firing people because they voted in a election it would in fact influence the likelyhood they would vote. Thus preventing them from voting. Which is Election inference and a Federal Crime punishable by prison time.
"Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, at any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both." 18 U. S. Code § 594. Intimidation of voters
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/594
... You didn’t answer my question.
@Fanglite2 correction: fire black people for voting for xyz or supporting xyz policy. Because there is no amendment saying you have a right to vote for xyz or support xyz without "consequences".
If firing white people for "racism" is fine then firing black people for supporting the "wrong" politics is fine too. After all, private corporations.
You completely ignored my comment that specifically mentions that firing people based on who they vote for is a federal crime while firing people for being racist bigots is not a crime :)
Aye people are learning about your actions have consequences. Freedom kf speech doesn't mean you have freedom of consequences. Companies aren't about to risk their money over one person.
No Does that mean Camila Cabello should lose her singing career?
Depends. I dont see any blacks or latinos being fired for making racist comments and see us making racist comments all day.
Probably because we don't share our social media information with our bosses and coworkers, and we even make efforts to block our bosses and coworkers.
I knew my boss for 3 years, chill guy and I even used him for college references but I'd never follow him or let him follow me online.
@Hypnos0929 I troll on 4 different websites and dont have ANYTHING registered with my full name. Any questionable comments I make, I make in inbox or private messages.
@Hypnos0929 To be 100% honest Im Latino and my black/latino co-workers are 10 times more openly racist than the whites. In my office there is literally only ONE white boomer who's an open racist. Probably 99% of the comments that can get someone fired at my job are made by blacks, latinos and women.
And that's why you can go to HR or a Manager depending on the job.
If you feel it is that bad then speak up or tell them "Hey that's kinda racist, you might want to be careful saying that here".
It depends on how bad what they said was. We all make mistakes sometimes. People's lives shouldn't have to be ruined for having unpopular opinions on social media
Lots of times it leads to and incites violence, that's the problem
Absolutely not, it's slander and I haven't seen one valid example of it
I voted no because people are so obsessed with public image. Its wrong to take someones livelyhood simply because of an opinion.
People don't have an obligation to 'jobs' do they?
they will die without their jobs... so yea, in practical terms yea
At will employees don’t.
Framed it a bit odd. I was talking about employers not having obligations to give jobs... If they are paying they should pretty much be able to do what they want I guess... mmm...
but if people can be fired for what they say then in practical terms we can't exercise democracy, and violence will be inevitable
Wot? How exactly does that prevent democracy (from functioning well enough...)? again?
Privately owned businesses have their own policies and they don’t need to have racist people working for them.
It essentially comes down to the 'preferences' of the guy or gal paying I guess... m...
I guess
I'd rather have a bunch of racists working in society as employees than have a bunch of them fired because of what they may have or not in their history.
It's interesting because you can't refuse to hire based on race, but no law addresses firing over racism.
Employers can fire you for any reason. That’s how it’s been for years. You can control your racism but you can’t control your race.
Not exactly. If you believe an employer fired you by violating your rights, you can take them to court.
Chick-fil-A cannot fire an employee if he or she is gay.
Yeah.
But firing for racism isn’t against their rights to be honest. For example at my workplace employers Can fire you for any reason. And free speech laws do not extend to privately-owned businesses.
I’m just saying what I feel please don’t get angry with me lol
Replying to your chick fil a comment. People can control what they say, but you can’t control your sexuality.
Only if their identities can be traced to their employer by a third party. Otherwise no.
I completely understand why the employers fire them: if they don’t those employees will hurt the image of the company.
No. That’s psycho cultist shit trying to force everyone to think like they do and punishing heretics. It’s basically social media lynchings.
It means people losing their livelihoods over harmless comments. It’s never about bigotry, it’s about not toeing the line, it’s about them not being in line with the ideologies that like to world cancel culture: progressivism.
If you’re just a traditional liberal, or anything other than progressive, and state your views, you will often get called hateful or bigoted or whatever else just because psychos don’t like that you feel differently about the world. Well it’s often the case that *they* are the racists trying to tell you that you’re the racist for something like waving a US flag or other normal innocuous things.
companies are over reacting, most of these firings have been for nothing. they are just worried about perceived as racist and getting sued
No they shouldn't, their opinions have nothing to do with their jobs. The people who do think they should be sound one step away from just killing these people.
You want to destroy their lives to the point where they are poor and desperate, you have the mindset of communists and Nazis. You realize that right?
They’ll be okay they can collect unemployment until someone else picks them up. But racist vitriol is bad PR for the company and it’s descrimatory against people who are different than them. I don’t want them to die, but they do deserve karma. What goes around comes around is what I believe.
Karma for what? Also what I say in my off time is my own business, the only reason people know who they work for is that they go looking for them.
Also thanks for proving my point, you Literally want to ruin people's lives over words. Explain how thats fair.
Karma for being racist? Do you think racism is okay? I want to ruin people lives wdym? I’m literally a teenage girl. I just don’t think racism is okay.
No. Employers look at social media. Mine does. They look for anything that can hurt their business. It’s not in many instances that people go looking for them.
Oml, you don't think that losing your job ruins your life? You don't think working a job for ten years building your life and everything you have including a family only to have it taken away because of words is not ruining someone's life?
Answer my question. Do you think it’s okay to be racist, and discriminatory of people with different skin colors/ethnicities/cultures?
And FYI no, it happens all the time. From a joking tweet 12 years ago ( yes that is a real example) to supporting a president.
Be ready to grow up and realize that people can do the same to you, and the fact that you're asking this means you hoping people will be on your side and you won't be a bitch.
Spoiler if you do this kind of thing you are.
No, but its nobody's job to change others opinions. Should I tell you how to think and what to like?
It's called being a professional. And going on racist rants on social media is not being professional especially if you tie yourself to that company. Such as listing your work on Facebook or putting your work in the description of Twitter. You are now a connected to that company doing that. And what you say the company is now liable. And we'll companies don't want to be associated with racists. So yes no matter how many years you've been working if you're deemed not good for the companies image of PR then you're gone. It ha nothing about wanting to ruin peoples lives that's just how companies work.
You’re literally calling me a bitch. Like wtf? I’m not reporting them or outing them I’m just saying my opinion on the matter. What is wrong with you? You can’t even answer my question. I haven’t even insulted you and you’re on my post attacking me and calling me names.
You just said that people should lose their jobs over words and said its karma. How is that karma? So yeah I think you're a bitch, going to try and get me fired over my opinion of you?
You’re insane.
No, i just don't like people who think its their job or anyone's job to control how people think.
See how it feels to have someone try to control how you think?
Nope. You’re insane. Attacking a random stranger on the internet.
The iorny, in that statement.
You think its ok to attack random people online over their opinions, yet think its wrong for me to have such a low opinion of you. by the way this isn't an attack try reading a dictionary.
For someone trying to defend people saying racist stuff because it's their "opinion"
You don't seem to handle opposing opinions much considering you go straight to insults and calling people bitch.
You’re gaslighting. You’re attacking me over an opinion. You came on my post claiming I’m ruining people’s lives cuz I don’t think they should be able to post racist shit about minorities online. You’ve literally gaslit me this entire thread.
I haven’t claimed to want to ruin people’s lives. I do not I just said MY OPINION
You said I’m a bitch when at the start of this thread I haven’t even attacked you. you're the one who turned the covernsation hostile. You’re the one who came on my post and started attacking me.
Ok one, I am giving my opinion and Insults are a part of that opinion.
People who get people fired over their opinions, is not an opinion. Its an act, an evil one at that.
I haven’t literally fired anyone I’m a freaking teenager wth?
Two, idc about your feelings, I care about your lives.
What are you even talking about?
How does being a teenager mean you can't get someone fired? What is there some age restriction or something?
Saying insults is an act as well not an opinion. You're attacking and insulting someone based on someone's opinion on a thread where you said people shouldn't be fired and punished for their opinion. You're being a hypocrite.
You’re attacking a teenager lmfao. Acting like I’m out here on the deep web trying to get people fired wtf? I haven’t I was just saying my opinion dude.
You literally just it again, you want to control what others think. You support people losing their jobs over words.
What are you even talking about? Dude. Imma go shower. I’m baffled. Hope you have a lovely night. ❤️
Can you please stop?
Nobody is trying to control what people think. There's a thing called being a professional. You're going nowhere in life if you can't be a professional. There's things you should and shouldn't say in and out of work. Welcome to life.
Now you’re just harassing me.
Also I'd really suggest opening a dictionary, it not harassment untill you tell me to stop and I don't. So yeah now it is.
Andddd reported for harassment of a kid online
And awe, I'm so sorry that gave an opinion and someone else gave you their own opinions about your opinion.
Completely ridiculous to fire someone for work unrelated things. Should be illegal like in sane countries.
I personally don’t -but as a business owner I believe employers should have the right. These people represent their companies.
The companies have a right to fire you. Get over it. Tolerate their rights. Everyone is complaining like a bunch of pussies.
That's what the West and Liberal "democracies" are all about: you only have the right to livelihood if you are a Liberal.
There's no other form of regime as perverse as Liberalism is.
I mean there’s conservatives at my workplace nobody has fired them yet. What do you mean? I don’t think being discriminatory to other races means your liberal or conservative. It just means you’re not a POS.
Western "Conservatives" are just reluctant Liberals, I don't even know why your people call those Classical Lib softies "Conservatives."
Oh, yes, racism is bad. But not a single one individual from minorities will lose his or her job over being racist against the right targets, I mean, against White people.
White people? You mean like that Karen thing? lol
I don't know what is this "Karen" thing and to be honest I'm not intetested to know. I just find it funny that the unfreest people on Earth like to lecture Russians and the Chinese about "freedom," "democracy," and "human rights." Three things that you only get in the West if you conform yourself to the Liberal rules.
I dont understand what you mean by right to livelihood? Liberals mostly believe in a living wage if you google living wage calculator you can pick the city and how much a living wage is. The main focus is if people make a living wage they dont need welfare.
Perhaps it's because the liberals actually care about those three things. The conservatives only care about filling their pockets with money no matter how many people they screw over in the process. Those "liberals" want basic human rights such as Healthcare and workplace treatment. Meanwhile conservatives don't and want to remove peoples rights. Much like Russia and China the conservatives don't care about democracy as they're fine with rigging elections and suppressing voters. Liberals are trying to allow as many people to vote while conservatives only want their supporters to vote and nobody else. Russia and China are just glorified Dictatorships right now especially now that Putin changed the rules to allow him to serve until at least 2032.
@Fanglite2,
Cool, Jeff Bezos wannabe. Just out of curiosity, are you a billionaire yet, or are you just a Mr. Nobody who parrots their Neoliberal talking points?
@emanonwen,
Yes, Liberals do believe in the right to earn a livelihood, but only for Liberals. "Do you want to earn a living wage? So you have to be a Liberal." This is what is about your wonderful liberal "democracy."
No I'm not a billionaire nor do I wish to be a billionaire. And I'm not a neoliberal. My family is actually in fact German Conservatives. I just actually care about human lives which is more than any Russian government can say.
@Fanglite2,
No company either in Russia or China is condemning citizens to misery for some PC opinions. Sorry. You only care about feeling good with yourself, like your Neoliberal masters expect you to do.
Isn’t China communist though? Isn’t that far left liberalism like the type you’re condemning so much?
Leftism =/= Liberalism, genius.
You’re talking about liberals. Liberals tend to lean to the left. Communism is a far left ideology... ? communism happens when liberalism/leftism gets out of hand.
According to this article it’s pretty much the same thing. Minor differences.
www.rasmussenreports.com/.../the_difference_between_liberals_and_leftists
I was born in Soviet Union FYI. Do you think we called ourselves "Liberals"? Do you think your Liberal bullshittery was tolerated in SU? Leftism isn't the problem, your Neoliberalism is. And it is totalitarian by its nature.
Okay. I dunno how we got from racism to different political ideologies. 🙂
Ok man, have a nice day/night 👍
My point is, you Westerners have no moral to lecture us on "free speech," "democracy" and "human rights." Hell! You go as far as to deny the right to earn a livelihood to people who don't share your opinions. And, yes, it's about opinions. In a true free society, you are not supposed to only have rights if you embrace the ideology of the elites, whether it is Liberalism or whatever. Right now, there are people losong their jobs for saying they don't support BLM.
Enjoy your Liberal totalitarianism, but don't tell us what we should do in our countries.
Dude why are you hating on me? 😂I literally told you to have a good night. I’m only talking about America, not your country lol. Thanks for your opinion.
Calm down, get a snack. Eat some food. :)
Bull fucking shit
In China you get sent to a fucking forced labor camp for exercising your free speech.
In Russia Journalists who criticize Putin tend to die.
You need to stop placing private businesses under the umbrella of 1st amendment rights. Your rights prevent the government from shutting down your speech
@Waffles731,
In the West, people are condemned to live in poverty over a non-PC opinion. Wow! We envy your freedom! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why are you so angry all the time?
When you get a job they gave an ethics policy that you agree to when. You get hired. It doesn't go away because you are not on the clock. Actions have consequences. So cry Less and keep your racism to yourself and your won't lose your job
@emanonwen,
I'm not going to lose my job, kiddo. 😉
Do Liberals make you that made dude?
I wasn't speaking to you specifically I was talking about people in general
Bro you're saltier than fast food french fries
@Drunkfrank
I'm not your "bro." Enjoy your depressive life, I'm not interested in whatever a poor thing like you has to say.
Damn Sister you are getting so mad so easily. I thought it was cold in Russia and yet you clearly need to chill.
No, as far as they know, it could have been taken out of context.
What you do on your time is your business. Such retribution is firmly rooted in communism.
Racist ideology needs to be cleansed out of existence. The process is almost done. Don’t get cleansed! 😛
There is still time to repent.
@Prof_Don all people are racist, racism is evolution not an ideology
to be against it or to try and get rid of it is a sign of low intelligence
this is why u dont tell people what company u work for
I don't see how demanding corporate institutions to be the moral arbiters of society shall be positive.
Yes cause you kinda represent their company. It might not be for being a racist just might make them look bad.
Do you know what makes you represent your company better than anything else? Being competent! Not whatever you post of social media.
but your life is tied to your company, if we can't be free to say what we want without consequence in our private life then we can't be free. democracy can't survive that kind of thinking