There has been a recent increase of firings for people being racist online via social media. Do you agree these people should lose their jobs? (Page 2)
I think it's wrong because I believe your employer should only care about what you do during your work hours or when you speak for their name. These people just voiced their own opinions, completely unrelated to their job and I think it's unfair because it means that corporation can basically control what you say and I think it's wrong. Freedom should apply everywhere, not just against the government otherwise corporations become the new tyrannical government.
I don't care whether the opinions are racist or whatever, people should have the fundamental right to express what they think.
There's a vigilante-style group out there that actually trolls facebook for racist comments, then documents them, researches the person, finds out where they work, and then blackmails their employer with "fire this person or we will out you for supporting racism"...
There's something equally as unsettling about this scenario as the racism itself., The company didn't know before that moment that the person was a racist, and their facebook profile was not connected in any way to their job, so where do you draw the line on the right to separation?
My company did fire the guy, but didn't like the tone it set, nor the fact that they were virtually blackmailed into it when they had no prior knowledge or reason to investigate what employees do in their own lives.
I can understand why employers would fire them, do I think it's wrong yes and no, you should be allowed to say what you want to say but if that brought bad publicity then it's not going to end well with you. The only thing I'm annoyed about with blm is that everywhere I go where its a black majority there's double or triple the amount of crime, and serious crimes not just petty crimes and I unfortunately live outside a park and despite there being chains on the gates every single day there's been 10-29 black people there (all ages 17-25) but because they're blacks nothing happens, it'll be racist. Today there was 32 outside all of them touching playing a ball game no protection anywhere. But if I were to say any of this on any recognisable social media I'm racist. I would have said the same thing even if they're all whites but that doesn't matter
EVERYONE is OVER-REACTING, and some are just CAVING IN, and just accepting the accusations, of RACISM!!! Music groups, changing their names, and the assumption that military bases need to be 'renamed' and then the bastards destroying ANY Statues!! So should we just Censor all of history, and re-write it, like in George Orwell's 1984? Like Nazis burning books, we should just "BURN" our history? FUCK NO!! Those statues, those monuments NEED TO STAY!! THEY NEED TO, to REMIND EVERYONE!! Remind them of what happened, before, so it doesn't happen again!! Remind us that some have done 'bad things' or supported, or were assumed to support, things, like slavery, but maybe not, and maybe they did MANY OTHER THINGS, GOOD THINGS, and should not simply be Hated and dishonored, because SOOOO many DO NOT KNOW HISTORY!!
Nothing wrong with firing them, it's just good business.
However, when it comes to students, I think expelling them is the dumbest action that can ever be taken... If you expel them, then what exactly is the point of "school"? Is school just all about learning math or more than just that. If a school doesn't know how to handle a student being racist online by expelling them, then that school is a failure not only to themselves but also to the student in question. Schools should be a place to learn more than just what's in the books, but also social skills and behavior and interactions, etc... If a student does racist things online, school should use that opportunity to "educate" (since that's what schools are meant to do) that student on the consequences of their actions, not throw them away.
Freedom of speech should be coupled with intelligence, education and responsibility. Freedom of speech is about tolerance - racism isn't. If someone says or does dumb things: this person is accountable to that; many people see only their rights - but not their responsibilities and obligations. If someone chooses to be racist, and chooses to make it public in word an in action then ---> an employer must ALSO be able to choose: to be anti-racist, and to make it public in word an in action... = to fire that employee. (intelligence, education and responsibility will again need to be applied here) ... I mean that in regard of 'serious' cases. Some people already feel offended when I -i. e.- mention that I don't like black shoes.
Actions have consequences. People need to stop acting like they dont remember. Sometimes its best to sit down and shutup. And its been well known for years that what you post may be seen by an employer. The company doesn't wanna look bad
Yeah and if they find out you’re supporting racist individuals they’ll lose customers because people don’t wanna associate with that. People hype up free speech and they think they’re immune to consequences but when it comes back to bite them in the ass they act all surprised.
I dont agree with it. If it was during work hours or using work equipment then or using their employers name then fair enuf. But what people do in their own time is none of their employers business. what people who support this fail to see is the employer doesn't give a flying fuck in reality. All they care about is the 'bottom line'... money. Plus, people who go on like this online should be aware of the consequences. As for employers checking employees social media... keep your SM as private as possible. #surveilencestate
I think it’s fine. Contract law says at will employees willfully enter into an employment agreement with their employer and can leave whenever they choose. On the flip side the employer may also fire at their own will. Lawfully there’s nothing wrong with it given the arrangement was an at will construct
Honestly, why can't you make a troll account and do this. It's kind of stupid doing this knowing the situation we're in. I've made some controversial posts on my Facebook page last year but instantly deleted them so everything is clean now. But, I do believe these people shouldn't get fired and they should sue the companies for doing so.
Who decides what is and is not inflammatory? Further it only fans the flames. Thing is, this current chasm has people who I never once uttered a single pejorative are now so damn feed up that all I hear are words divisionist hate. The chasm grows wider and terminations are only fanning the flames of division and hate. Thing is, every generation is naive to believe that the spilling of blood en masse will never happen in their lifetime. Yet that is direction this is all taking us. All this hate, division... ol’ Charlie Manson is going to have his Helter-skelter because people are too damn myopic to see where this all taking us towards. There will be blood...
I think it is unwise to fire someone for their opinions. Especially if these are manifested outside of work in the employee's private life. Dismissal for political views is the classic discriminatory dismissal. They can only be fired if they speak on behalf of the company they work for and during working hours, otherwise it is discrimination. Unfortunately many people who call themselves liberals or leftists are not actually identical to those they say they detest and for whom they would like to be fired in a discriminatory way. The demand for bullying such as this only has the effect of increasing the hatred that they have against different people and against their champions.
Being racist isn't a political view. It's hate and it affects people's lives believe it or not. That's how miniorities get passed over for jobs but a less qualified white person can get it.
@nojokecarmichael What you say is completely wrong. Any opinion that can influence the government and therefore the life of others is a political opinion. Politics is discrimination, because it chooses to discriminate against one group rather than another. If discriminating on a census basis is considered correct in this historical period and discriminating on the basis of the dermal phenotype no, it is only a zeitgeist. Many parties based their strength on discriminatory policies based on dermal phenotype or belonging to an ethnic or national group. This was the historical opinion of the US Democratic Party before the Second World War. It was the political opinion that Voelkish parties in Germany were always voted long before Weimar. It is the basis of the sovereign policies that led to Brexit. It is the basis of opinions of parties such as the Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom in Hungary, the Pravyj Sektor, the Milliyetçi Hareket Partisi in Turkey, the Partei National Orientierter Schweizer and the Schweizer Demokraten in Switzerland, Front Nationale in France, Alternative für Deutschland or Pegida in Germany, All India Hindu Mahasabha in India, Lega and Fratelli d'Italia in Italy The racist does not have to be a majority member, e. g. South Africa where the Dutch minority led by the National Party discriminated against the African majority. Or you think you are the only owner of the truth who can decide if someone's opinions are opinions or they are not opinions and those for which you disagree are not opinions.
I refuse to read the long reply full of bullshit, trying to dismiss other people's experiences. Like I said racism is hate. If you are racist against people you should not work anywhere really, but most importantly anywhere your decision can greatly impact someone's lives. Like being a judge, working as a police officer, etc. There are plenty of research articles to back this, Google is your friend. Have a seat
@nojokecarmichael Unfortunately you are not able to see things objectively. You have decided something a priori and want others to accept it. So I don't say anything else because it's like talking to the wind.
Yes because you need to keep up the reputation of your company. If your customer hears that a worker at your company is racist , you will LOSE CUSTOMERS. Then guess what? You lose your livelihood
but there is a very good chance that if that worker is racist , the company is also racist. A racist white person is unlikely to work at a company with racial diversity.
Racist people are not good hearted people. These are evil assholes
To me anyone who is agaisnt someone being fired for being racist online and or offline thinks racism is okay. You are part of the problem. Think of it like this if you owned a business would you knowingly hire someone who is racist? Would you fire someone for being racist if it causes bad PR for your business because that person is known by others because of being an employee of your business?
The problem is people have a disagreement on what's racist and what's not racist. The best thing you can do is if it could be interpreted as racist then don't post it (which seems to be anything when it comes to Snowflakes). I also think it really says more about other people and how butthurt they get then the people actually posting the comments. I honestly feel like the better people have it, the more intolerant they get, and softer they become. Also, If you have been drinking or are under the influence of anything then the best thing to do is to not post anything at all. You have to wonder how many of these people were under the influence when posting comments or videos that led to their firing. Lastly if your too intolerant of what people say and you have no friends, or at least no Good Friends then look in the mirror because probably you.
as i have said before democracy depends on the ability to offend eachother without consequence
if we can't offend eachother we can't share ideas openly, and if we can't share ideas openly it is inevitable that we will end up killing eachother
when we punish people for speaking their mind we are pushing all of them away... and the misfits always gather, and they will fight back.
and that's not even getting into the fact that half of these are witch hunts who did nothing wrong. like the woman in the park calling the cops on the black guy. he literally did threaten her even by his own admission. she had every right to call the cops
thats basiclly my view, point, i would not fire you just cus you have kk or naz tatto or hate a goup. but iwill fire you if you do not make me money. and are more trouble then your worth. and if a say blm person cuases trouble cus they dont like the naz/ kk guy, i will fire them. why, i dont need useless workers that dont make money, i need usefule worker,
as i said for exmple. i rather hire a rasist person that has 10 years of work expirence then some black mtf person that has zero exp, . cus i want money and black kid ain't worth my lick of salt. if i hired a person that the rasist person hates, i will, and if they due there job with out couseing loss in profit, keep um around, but if ethire of them comes too me and complains about someones expression of speach. i will fire them. i dont care about your personal issues. i care about the company
less profit, less expansion, more layoff, = more homless= less people buying. and i can't have that. and if you make my loyal consumers made by pandering to the haters. im going to fire you.
Well first of all, legally speaking, any employer should be allowed to fire any employee, for any reason, at any time. However, as for what I personally think? I think it depends on the case. I think genuinely malicious racists deserve to lose their jobs, and if it happens, I won't feel bad for them. However, I think it's stupid to dig up a harmless joke from 15 years ago and fire someone for that.
I say yes. Yes, you have a right to a Freedom of Speech, but not Freedom of Consequences. People have been fired for threatening others, and to me, personally, if you make any open threat that’s not a joke, you deserve your employer reprimanding you or terminating you as an employee. Alls fair, don’t do dumb shit nowadays.
Saying "white lives matter," or flying a Confederate flag is not racist, never was. It is only a matter of time before ANY speech the woke mob disagrees with gets people fired.
This is a very dangerous road to go down for EVERYBODY, including those in the woke mob.
Sorry but no. The term "racist" is being weaponized by the radical lefties of the world. It's NOT racist to have the opinion that a group supporting violence and participating in riots across the nation are criminals, yet people are losing their fucking jobs for pointing out this 1 single fact about BLM. I do feel that those who get kicked out of their publicly funded schools for this should take it all the way to the Supreme Court though, since as some universities have already found out, it's a violation of the First Amendment rights of those students. People need to stop taking the abuse from these power hungry political terrorists and start fighting back.
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I think it's wrong because I believe your employer should only care about what you do during your work hours or when you speak for their name. These people just voiced their own opinions, completely unrelated to their job and I think it's unfair because it means that corporation can basically control what you say and I think it's wrong. Freedom should apply everywhere, not just against the government otherwise corporations become the new tyrannical government.
I don't care whether the opinions are racist or whatever, people should have the fundamental right to express what they think.
My company was hit with this-
There's a vigilante-style group out there that actually trolls facebook for racist comments, then documents them, researches the person, finds out where they work, and then blackmails their employer with "fire this person or we will out you for supporting racism"...
There's something equally as unsettling about this scenario as the racism itself., The company didn't know before that moment that the person was a racist, and their facebook profile was not connected in any way to their job, so where do you draw the line on the right to separation?
My company did fire the guy, but didn't like the tone it set, nor the fact that they were virtually blackmailed into it when they had no prior knowledge or reason to investigate what employees do in their own lives.
I can understand why employers would fire them, do I think it's wrong yes and no, you should be allowed to say what you want to say but if that brought bad publicity then it's not going to end well with you. The only thing I'm annoyed about with blm is that everywhere I go where its a black majority there's double or triple the amount of crime, and serious crimes not just petty crimes and I unfortunately live outside a park and despite there being chains on the gates every single day there's been 10-29 black people there (all ages 17-25) but because they're blacks nothing happens, it'll be racist. Today there was 32 outside all of them touching playing a ball game no protection anywhere. But if I were to say any of this on any recognisable social media I'm racist. I would have said the same thing even if they're all whites but that doesn't matter
EVERYONE is OVER-REACTING, and some are just CAVING IN, and just accepting the accusations, of RACISM!!! Music groups, changing their names, and the assumption that military bases need to be 'renamed' and then the bastards destroying ANY Statues!!
So should we just Censor all of history, and re-write it, like in George Orwell's 1984?
Like Nazis burning books, we should just "BURN" our history?
FUCK NO!! Those statues, those monuments NEED TO STAY!! THEY NEED TO, to REMIND EVERYONE!!
Remind them of what happened, before, so it doesn't happen again!!
Remind us that some have done 'bad things' or supported, or were assumed to support, things, like slavery, but maybe not, and maybe they did MANY OTHER THINGS, GOOD THINGS, and should not simply be Hated and dishonored, because SOOOO many DO NOT KNOW HISTORY!!
Nothing wrong with firing them, it's just good business.
However, when it comes to students, I think expelling them is the dumbest action that can ever be taken...
If you expel them, then what exactly is the point of "school"? Is school just all about learning math or more than just that.
If a school doesn't know how to handle a student being racist online by expelling them, then that school is a failure not only to themselves but also to the student in question.
Schools should be a place to learn more than just what's in the books, but also social skills and behavior and interactions, etc... If a student does racist things online, school should use that opportunity to "educate" (since that's what schools are meant to do) that student on the consequences of their actions, not throw them away.
Freedom of speech should be coupled with intelligence, education and responsibility.
Freedom of speech is about tolerance - racism isn't.
If someone says or does dumb things: this person is accountable to that; many people see only their rights - but not their responsibilities and obligations.
If someone chooses to be racist, and chooses to make it public in word an in action
then --->
an employer must ALSO be able to choose: to be anti-racist, and to make it public in word an in action... = to fire that employee.
(intelligence, education and responsibility will again need to be applied here)
...
I mean that in regard of 'serious' cases. Some people already feel offended when I -i. e.- mention that I don't like black shoes.
Actions have consequences. People need to stop acting like they dont remember. Sometimes its best to sit down and shutup. And its been well known for years that what you post may be seen by an employer. The company doesn't wanna look bad
Yeah and if they find out you’re supporting racist individuals they’ll lose customers because people don’t wanna associate with that. People hype up free speech and they think they’re immune to consequences but when it comes back to bite them in the ass they act all surprised.
Yes its funny honestly.
I dont agree with it. If it was during work hours or using work equipment then or using their employers name then fair enuf. But what people do in their own time is none of their employers business. what people who support this fail to see is the employer doesn't give a flying fuck in reality. All they care about is the 'bottom line'... money. Plus, people who go on like this online should be aware of the consequences. As for employers checking employees social media... keep your SM as private as possible. #surveilencestate
I think it’s fine. Contract law says at will employees willfully enter into an employment agreement with their employer and can leave whenever they choose. On the flip side the employer may also fire at their own will. Lawfully there’s nothing wrong with it given the arrangement was an at will construct
Honestly, why can't you make a troll account and do this. It's kind of stupid doing this knowing the situation we're in. I've made some controversial posts on my Facebook page last year but instantly deleted them so everything is clean now. But, I do believe these people shouldn't get fired and they should sue the companies for doing so.
Who decides what is and is not inflammatory? Further it only fans the flames. Thing is, this current chasm has people who I never once uttered a single pejorative are now so damn feed up that all I hear are words divisionist hate. The chasm grows wider and terminations are only fanning the flames of division and hate. Thing is, every generation is naive to believe that the spilling of blood en masse will never happen in their lifetime. Yet that is direction this is all taking us. All this hate, division... ol’ Charlie Manson is going to have his Helter-skelter because people are too damn myopic to see where this all taking us towards. There will be blood...
I think it is unwise to fire someone for their opinions. Especially if these are manifested outside of work in the employee's private life. Dismissal for political views is the classic discriminatory dismissal. They can only be fired if they speak on behalf of the company they work for and during working hours, otherwise it is discrimination.
Unfortunately many people who call themselves liberals or leftists are not actually identical to those they say they detest and for whom they would like to be fired in a discriminatory way. The demand for bullying such as this only has the effect of increasing the hatred that they have against different people and against their champions.
Being racist isn't a political view. It's hate and it affects people's lives believe it or not. That's how miniorities get passed over for jobs but a less qualified white person can get it.
@nojokecarmichael What you say is completely wrong. Any opinion that can influence the government and therefore the life of others is a political opinion. Politics is discrimination, because it chooses to discriminate against one group rather than another. If discriminating on a census basis is considered correct in this historical period and discriminating on the basis of the dermal phenotype no, it is only a zeitgeist.
Many parties based their strength on discriminatory policies based on dermal phenotype or belonging to an ethnic or national group.
This was the historical opinion of the US Democratic Party before the Second World War. It was the political opinion that Voelkish parties in Germany were always voted long before Weimar. It is the basis of the sovereign policies that led to Brexit. It is the basis of opinions of parties such as the Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom in Hungary, the Pravyj Sektor, the Milliyetçi Hareket Partisi in Turkey, the Partei National Orientierter Schweizer and the Schweizer Demokraten in Switzerland, Front Nationale in France, Alternative für Deutschland or Pegida in Germany, All India Hindu Mahasabha in India, Lega and Fratelli d'Italia in Italy
The racist does not have to be a majority member, e. g. South Africa where the Dutch minority led by the National Party discriminated against the African majority.
Or you think you are the only owner of the truth who can decide if someone's opinions are opinions or they are not opinions and those for which you disagree are not opinions.
I refuse to read the long reply full of bullshit, trying to dismiss other people's experiences. Like I said racism is hate. If you are racist against people you should not work anywhere really, but most importantly anywhere your decision can greatly impact someone's lives. Like being a judge, working as a police officer, etc. There are plenty of research articles to back this, Google is your friend. Have a seat
@nojokecarmichael Unfortunately you are not able to see things objectively. You have decided something a priori and want others to accept it. So I don't say anything else because it's like talking to the wind.
@nojokecarmichael yea its a political view, you just label it as something more so YOU can hate it
sounds like you hate racists, if that's true and you're logic is hate should be punished clearly you should be punished also
Yes because you need to keep up the reputation of your company. If your customer hears that a worker at your company is racist , you will LOSE CUSTOMERS. Then guess what? You lose your livelihood
but there is a very good chance that if that worker is racist , the company is also racist. A racist white person is unlikely to work at a company with racial diversity.
Racist people are not good hearted people. These are evil assholes
To me anyone who is agaisnt someone being fired for being racist online and or offline thinks racism is okay. You are part of the problem.
Think of it like this if you owned a business would you knowingly hire someone who is racist?
Would you fire someone for being racist if it causes bad PR for your business because that person is known by others because of being an employee of your business?
The problem is people have a disagreement on what's racist and what's not racist. The best thing you can do is if it could be interpreted as racist then don't post it (which seems to be anything when it comes to Snowflakes). I also think it really says more about other people and how butthurt they get then the people actually posting the comments. I honestly feel like the better people have it, the more intolerant they get, and softer they become. Also, If you have been drinking or are under the influence of anything then the best thing to do is to not post anything at all. You have to wonder how many of these people were under the influence when posting comments or videos that led to their firing. Lastly if your too intolerant of what people say and you have no friends, or at least no Good Friends then look in the mirror because probably you.
as i have said before democracy depends on the ability to offend eachother without consequence
if we can't offend eachother we can't share ideas openly, and if we can't share ideas openly it is inevitable that we will end up killing eachother
when we punish people for speaking their mind we are pushing all of them away... and the misfits always gather, and they will fight back.
and that's not even getting into the fact that half of these are witch hunts who did nothing wrong. like the woman in the park calling the cops on the black guy. he literally did threaten her even by his own admission. she had every right to call the cops
thats basiclly my view, point, i would not fire you just cus you have kk or naz tatto or hate a goup. but iwill fire you if you do not make me money. and are more trouble then your worth. and if a say blm person cuases trouble cus they dont like the naz/ kk guy, i will fire them. why, i dont need useless workers that dont make money, i need usefule worker,
as i said for exmple.
i rather hire a rasist person that has 10 years of work expirence then some black mtf person that has zero exp,
. cus i want money and black kid ain't worth my lick of salt. if i hired a person that the rasist person hates, i will, and if they due there job with out couseing loss in profit, keep um around, but if ethire of them comes too me and complains about someones expression of speach. i will fire them. i dont care about your personal issues. i care about the company
less profit, less expansion, more layoff, = more homless= less people buying. and i can't have that. and if you make my loyal consumers made by pandering to the haters. im going to fire you.
as a wise man once said, " whats in it for me"
Well first of all, legally speaking, any employer should be allowed to fire any employee, for any reason, at any time. However, as for what I personally think? I think it depends on the case. I think genuinely malicious racists deserve to lose their jobs, and if it happens, I won't feel bad for them. However, I think it's stupid to dig up a harmless joke from 15 years ago and fire someone for that.
I say yes. Yes, you have a right to a Freedom of Speech, but not Freedom of Consequences. People have been fired for threatening others, and to me, personally, if you make any open threat that’s not a joke, you deserve your employer reprimanding you or terminating you as an employee. Alls fair, don’t do dumb shit nowadays.
I don't see why you're getting downvotes.
I do!
Yes you should take responsibility for what you do. But to say "all live matter" on social media is not a reason to fire someone.
if i say to you "you can leave this room, but a man in the hall is going to shoot you" are you free to leave the room? no
freedom DOES imply freedom from consequences or you aren't actually free to do something
Bowing to the woke mob is never a good idea.
Saying "white lives matter," or flying a Confederate flag is not racist, never was. It is only a matter of time before ANY speech the woke mob disagrees with gets people fired.
This is a very dangerous road to go down for EVERYBODY, including those in the woke mob.
They didn’t say white lives matter, they said White POWER.
No they didn't, nowhere in those screenshots does the term "white power" appear.
Sorry but no. The term "racist" is being weaponized by the radical lefties of the world. It's NOT racist to have the opinion that a group supporting violence and participating in riots across the nation are criminals, yet people are losing their fucking jobs for pointing out this 1 single fact about BLM. I do feel that those who get kicked out of their publicly funded schools for this should take it all the way to the Supreme Court though, since as some universities have already found out, it's a violation of the First Amendment rights of those students. People need to stop taking the abuse from these power hungry political terrorists and start fighting back.