Do you agree with Jordan Peterson that the right amount of self-esteem should be your perception of your value within the context of a group?

[Anonymous]

He also said more. Go to 3:22 to hear his full reasoning on that:

This comment (related to the topic) was under this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa8nJk00REs

It's a blurry (but significant) linguistic line between "confidence" and "esteem", and many use the terms interchangeably. Albert Ellis said what was important was "self-acceptance", not 'esteem'. I. e., accepting your current self (as you aspire to maximize your potential to the extent you choose to), but not needing to feel you're awesome, etc.

[Jjpayne]

It sounds a bit over my head but I feel like your self esteem could effect what you bring to a group discussion for sure. It important to believe esteem with ego as others in the group might also want to share but at the same time as to how to deal with others that choose to ignore others in the group... Maybe thats standing up for them. And saying, I'd actually like to hear from them now

[Asker]

Wait so are you saying that the person with high self-esteem could help someone stick up for people with lower self-esteem in the group? And that's why it's good to have high self-esteem vs high self-acceptance?

The thing about self-esteem though, if someone has self-imposed really high self-esteem like Peterson said, statistics show they'd be more likely to have possible negative traits like bullying. So although it would be good for a good person to have it, a lot more naive people are probably gonna end up having it and that's where it gets dangerous. What are your thoughts on that 🤔

[Jjpayne]

I think that's true, it good to have a balance. For me, a higher form of self esteem is wanting to hear the opinions of others and wanting a team and group effort. Like a team leader. I think team leaders have a lot of self esteem but they generally use it for good rather than to over power the group

[Asker]

I think that we should all have self-worth, but I do think that it would be better to teach people self-acceptance more than self-esteem. I do think self-esteem should be reflected in a beneficial group setting. And of course, there would need to be countermeasures. A certain amount of humility to know our place no matter how high up we are, and a certain level of self-worth so that we don't get overcome with the self-doubt.

[Jjpayne]

I think you are on to something with self acceptance over self esteem

[Asker]

I definitely think that would benefit more people! But it's hard to teach the youth this stuff though. It does over their heads and then they'll just revert back to their old ways after hearing it 😂 it would need to be incorporated at home but we can't trust people to do that.

[Jjpayne]

It could be a good push to have this taught in public schools

[Asker]

It can be tough though because young people often don't even know what groups are good or bad for them 😂

[Jjpayne]

Thank you for the mho!

[Asker]

Np! Might start choosing them often again because some people really do have some good opinions that stand out! 🥂

[Jjpayne]

Sounds good 👍

[wankiam]

its right as far as im concerned but i also respect the work of guy debord in reference to ''the spectacle'' so i would advise against creating a false persona and then trying to live up to it if that makes sense

[Asker]

Ahh yeah, I recently heard about something related to that. People create false personas to impress other people and move up in the ranks, then the people they impress create ones of their own, and then the cycle continues and nobody's really feeling as content as they could have.

[wankiam]

yeah i guess thats a version of it

[Asker]

What's some more philosophy by him you like?

[wankiam]

i always like this

[Asker]

Ahh, I really almost fell into a trap like that. The whole thug hierarchy in school. With values of sagging pants, cursing, and being rebellious. I would sag my pants and speak the way they did just so I wouldn't stand out. But it was kinda a lose-lose. Probably would have dropped out either way. But since I chose the route where I would have gotten bullied less, I could have saved myself from possible hurt. 🤔 This is a tough guess though

[wankiam]

i had a similar thing during my school years too and glad i stayed true to myself even at that age

[Asker]

Dropping out definitely helped me find myself. Like who I wanted to be without a lot of negative pointless interference. But now I'm in this position where I need to find out what I actually want to do with my life. Or And I don't have much experience or accolades to my name. Sometimes I wonder what I'd have been like if I stayed in school. Wonder if I would have gotten totally swept in that lifestyle or would I be similar to who I am now. 🤔

[jennifer_bloom]

I would define confidence as the social strength to be true to yourself and your duties and your position in the world

[Asker]

What do you think of my definition of it?

"Inner confidence is the ability and belief that you can mentally endure any perceived negative outcome."

[jennifer_bloom]

It might be true in a way

[Asker]

Then outer confidence is the ability and belief that you can puff your chest out and hold your shoulders back 😂 jk

[jennifer_bloom]

Lol - he’s made millions with his silly idea

[Juxtapose]

Depending on other people to feel you are awesome is weakness. Most people are stupid as shit.

I have an inner light and a belief in myself that is wholly divorced from other human beings.

[Asker]

It may be stupid, but definitely understandable. Because it's human nature! There's a reason why these things have to be learned, otherwise, we'd be stupid! 😂

[Juxtapose]

I personally feel like a lot of people have a character flaw of lacking curiosity and introspection.

[Asker]

Now that I can somewhat agree with. But, I think those people (although maybe unfavorable to be around) could be better equipped to help society in ways the people that aren't lacking wouldn't want to. Like how IQ people would be better for certain jobs that are repetitive and not very mentally challenging/diverse. So in a way, our societies thrive off people with those traits.

[JoyGirl]

I want food. 🥺

[Asker]

😂 You nervous eater?

[JoyGirl]

No... lol
Are you? 🤔

[Asker]

Well what emotion is that emoji supposed to be? 😂 and nah I'm the opposite

[JoyGirl]

It is a thinking emoji... lol

[Asker]

[JoyGirl]

Oooooh... LOL
It is a puppy face emoji. 🤣

[Asker]

[JoyGirl]

LMAO
Bruh 🤣

[Asker]

[JoyGirl]

Feed me, cat man, then we will talk. “-“

[Asker]

u better not let this food go to waste

[JoyGirl]

LMAO

[Asker]

I better hear bunny chewing noises in like 3 seconds

[JoyGirl]

Is the corn cooked? 🥺

[Asker]

shit brb

[JoyGirl]

HAAAA

[Asker]

I overcooked it a little but it's fine, I swear

[JoyGirl]

You put something on it. *-*

[Asker]

I swear I didn't

[JoyGirl]

Hmmmmmm
@cjgsu He poisoned my food. 😭

[Asker]

okay okay I switched it out with a delicious green gummy candy thingy

[JoyGirl]

Is it an edible? You said thingy at the end. 🤔

[cjgsu]

@joygirl no!!! spit it out!!😭

@Sonorous why would u posion her😭

[Asker]

@joygirl - I was givin it to u so we'd know

@cjgsu - she da one askin for food from a whole stranger ✋👁👄👁✋

[cjgsu]

@Sonorous u used my sister a test subject?

@joygirl 😡bad.

[JoyGirl]

@cjgsu
I am sorrryyy 😭

[Asker]

@cjgsu - iT hAs tRuTh sErUm iN iT bEcAuSe i jusT wAnT tO kNoW wHy sHe uSeD tHaT FiRsT eMoJi

[JoyGirl]

It is a puppy faceeeee 🥺🥺🥺

[Asker]

I know what it is, I just wanna know wh- 👄

@The_unknown_memer I found a new moment

[JoyGirl]

You wanna know what? 🤔

[Asker]

[JoyGirl]

Tell you why whattttt 😥

[cjgsu]

@Sonorous itz a puppy. She likes poopy dogs.

@joygirl don't speak we don't want ur secrets 2 get exposed 😭

[JoyGirl]

@cjgsu
Oooh... oki... shhhh 👀👀👀

[Asker]

@cjgsu - 👄 bruh what secret is worse than liking poopy dogs, anser mi dat

[cjgsu]

Everyone likes poopy dogs

[JoyGirl]

😂😂😂

[Asker]

@cjgsu - u didn't happen to take a bite out of that concoction I put together, did ya? 📃🤔

[cjgsu]

... umm... maybe🥺
@joygirl save me

[Asker]

[JoyGirl]

Cat man stay from my sister. 😭

[JoyGirl]

Stay away*

[cjgsu]

Lmfao i just realized his pfp😂

[JoyGirl]

@cjgsu 🤣🤣🤣

[Asker]

@JoyGirl - sorry no can do, gotta save her from the effects of the concoction
👁👄👁
\__🍜’\__/

@cjgsu - ur eyes need to get on xgames mode bruh

[JoyGirl]

Whaaaaaaa
Use me, instead. 😭😭😭

[cjgsu]

I'm dead☠☠👻👻

[cjgsu]

@joygirl No run save urself

[JoyGirl]

@cjgsu
Nuuuuuuu 😭😭😭
@Sonorous I am calling the police. 😣

[Asker]

@cjgsu - 😂 U r pretty talkative for a dead person 🤔

@JoyGirl - it was tailored to you DNA so it's ur fault ✋👁👄👁✋ should have eaten it when I offered it to ya

[JoyGirl]

Cat man is mean. 😭

[cjgsu]

Oh yeah i forgot. I'm dead.☠👻☠👻
Why cat man u so mean 2 my sister👻☠👻

[JoyGirl]

@Sonorous Her ghost will hunt you FOREVER.

[Asker]

@JoyGirl - I have 9 lives and got a mean claw, I ain't worried bout no ghost 😹

@cjgsu - because she didn't *inhales* tEll mE Waa ee

[JoyGirl]

Nuuuuu 😭

[cjgsu]

@Sonorous BOO!!!👻☠👻

[Asker]

🐈 u got me feelin safer with that hallmark sounding boo

Ima go to sleep now before I lose one of the 9. Actually I might have 8. Hit my head pretty hard one day and everyone thought I blacked out. Guess we'll see down the road 😹

[JoyGirl]

LMAOOOO
Goodnight, hun. Sleep well. 💜💜💜

@cjgsu I may pass out at some point... lol 💜

[cjgsu]

I'm a terrible ghost😭

Don't bump ur head. That sounds dangerous

[cjgsu]

Good cat man.

[Asker]

@JoyGirl - Thanks! I actually did and I'm so glad. I've been getting shitty sleep lately. Maybe we just found out a side effect of rejecting DNA-tailored concoctions¿ 🤔😂

@cjgsu - Nah you're not a terrible ghost! I feel like Disney channel would be grateful to have you! 📺👻

[cjgsu]

I don't wanna be a Disney ghost😔

[JoyGirl]

LMAOOOOOO

[Asker]

@cjgsu - Hey, it's better than getting rko'd by amateur ghost hunters 😂

[Joker_]

I agree with him

[Asker]

Wait... Joker... Agrees with something? 😲

[Joker_]

Yeah but I'm not Joker

[Joker_]

I'm Joker_

[Asker]

Oh yeah, sorry. @joker_*

[Joker_]

Apology accepted

[Asker]

Acceptance of apology denied

[Joker_]

Denial of acceptance of apology approved

[Asker]

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[Asker]

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[Joker_]

Thank you very much, faulty approval system

[Asker]

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