What happened to "It's my body. It's my choice" talk when it comes to the vaccine?

[9Livezzz]

You heard the saying "It's my body. It's my choice" all the time before this virus. The vaccine is about to be forced upon us all, even our jobs can require us to get the vaccine. It's my body and it's my choice that I don't want to get the vaccine but that doesn't matter? That doesn't seem fair to me! It's okay to say that for the unborn baby inside a woman's womb but it's not okay for when I dont want to inject something into my body. I don't understand what the difference is between the two. It's my body. It's my choice! I don't want the vaccine!

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+1 y

Keep in mind people, the vaccine only protects you. If you take the vaccine then the people who don't take the vaccine should be no threat to you. It shouldn't be forced into people who don't want to take it

[NaultD]

Abortions is a difficult topic with nuance on achieving less unwanted pregnancy. There is arguments to have. (

Anti vaccination is just plain stupid. Back in the American revolution troops would get cuts in there arms and rub small pox victims pus and scabs to get a smaller infection in the blood to survive an outbreak. It's called variolation. For this time was the most sensible risk vs reward outcome. As medical science advances better treatments like vaccines was created. With better risk vs reward percentages.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/zBkVCpbNnkU

[OddBeMe]

Still applies. They can’t force you. But society can isolate you by private businesses requiring vsx

[9Livezzz]

I consider that being forced haha but I totally agree

[Anonymous]

The same thing can be said in reverse with your pro life talk. Pro life but y’all don’t wanna take the basic measures to save someone else’s life. It was basically a flip between ideals, Republicans are pro choice while democrats are pro life.

[9Livezzz]

No that doesn't relate at all actually. Abortion is forced upon people but the vaccine will be forced on people. Totally different.

[9Livezzz]

Abortion isn't forced*

[Opinion Owner]

You’re right but not having a abortion is forced on women. They complain that your killing a baby but have no regard for killing people during a pandemic for their blatant refusal to follow some simple rules. Wear a mask, simple. Stay six feet apart in public, may be a little harder but obtainable. Take a vaccine to reduce the risk of getting a airborne virus, it’s a shot simple. Nothing here is hard to follow, people acting like Karen’s saying that they taking away your rights.

[9Livezzz]

There a lot of people who don't take the flu shots but the same isn't said about them? Influenza kills a ton of people a year but that doesn't matter?

[Opinion Owner]

Oh yes we do. We call them anti vaxxers, these are the people who think doctors are evil and want to use essential oils and “the power of god” to heal themselves.

[9Livezzz]

Well all I know is I haven't got the flu in 15 years and the last time I got the flu was when I last took the flu shot 15 years ago.

[9Livezzz]

Also strange thing is my parents never vaccinated me and for some reason, I am still alive today and I hardly ever get sick. Why is that? I should be dead right now right? Is it an act of God how I am still alive and hardly ever get sick at all when I haven't been vaccinated?

[9Livezzz]

I also feel so terrible for all the people I have came into contact with since I am unvaccinated. Those poor people that are at risk when not anyone I have ever known has actually died because they came into contact with me let alone become extremely ill. Yeah it must be the power of God that everyone is alive still to this day. It's the power of God that you are alive today as well. It's the power of God that everyone is alive today regardless if they are vaccinated or not.

[Opinion Owner]

Um okay, I don’t believe in god so whatever.

[9Livezzz]

Still all the rest is relatable

[rachel776]

the Amy Barrett Supreme Court case that just came down about being allowed to attend church on religious grounds even if it's on "lockdown" will also apply to the vaccine issue, but no one knows it yet

[9Livezzz]

Yup exactly

[Laura_Marx]

It's not true that the vaccine only protects you. Not everyone gets the vaccine at the same time, and the vaccine eventually runs out. There are still opportunities to catch viruses. There is a flu vaccine, for example, but people still get the flu. But the more people who are protected, the less easily it spreads. Think of it this way: imagine we're roommates. I get a flu shot and you don't. The flu shot lasts about six months. Say you catch the flu right at the end of the flu season, and it's a bad one. You've still got it when my flu shot runs out, and now I get the flu. If you got a flu shot you'd also be protecting me, here.

Anyway, I think there are two separate questions. There is the question: is it *wrong* to abstain from the vaccine? and the question: should it be *illegal* to refuse to get the vaccine? I think the answer to the first is yes, and the answer to the second is no. I think you ought to take it, but I don't think the state should have the power to force you to take it at gunpoint. And, it actually isn't mandatory, anyway, for all of the reasons that it would be bad if it were mandatory. Generally, epidemological interventions are effective without the use of brute force; sexually transmitted infections are much better controlled than they were in the 80s, and no state has ever made it mandatory to wear a condom during sex.

If you're worried about the state's power to coercive - and you should be - you should think less about vaccines and more about ICE facilities, in my opinion.

[lordskull69]

I'm sorry but we vaccinate our children for smallpox and all kinds of other stuff and the Maine reason is not just to save them from getting it but is to keep them from giving it to other people so when you decide not to take a vaccine what you're doing is you're risking exposing me to a virus that's the concept. So let's say I'm medically compromised I can't get the vaccine and you just decide you just don't want to take the vaccine because because you just don't want to and then you go and get the virus and you give it to me who's the victim there

[9Livezzz]

I can see what you're saying but if most the people are vaccinated then the chances of me getting the virus is very slim as well. I've never been vaccinated my parents never did it to me but I still somehow managed not to get smallpox or any other disease.

[Soteris]

You do realize that the reasoning behind abortion is not actually that phrase right? Its just a small slogan hiding a much larger topic that experts has been debating for decades. But regardless of all this, its not like anyone is forcing you either.

[9Livezzz]

Yes I know that. That's why I used the phrase just now. No we won't be forced but life will become very difficult if you don't take it. So in a way we're being forced still.

[Soteris]

That sounds like a personal problem. No one forces you to take showers but if you do not it has social consequences. People do not want to be near you, stores do not want you shopping inside and people will have a negative opinion of you.

[9Livezzz]

No showers and vaccines is not a good comparison at all. You hear that these vaccines could possibly be putting a chip inside you so you can be tracked? If you haven't you should look into it. Sorry but this isn't just some normal vaccine that we are going to be given...

[Soteris]

And shower companies could THEORETICALLY speaking put cameras in the shower heads to spy on you naked. Besides, why the fuck would they need a chip to track you? You already carry at least one with you everywhere you go willingly inside your mobile phone and also I do not think you realize the technology for such a chip does not exist. This is insane conspiracy theories of the highest order.

[9Livezzz]

Well a company could theoretically put camera in shower heads if they wanted to but it would be totally illegal. Let's say you forgot your phone and wallet at home and a store needs to see if you are vaccinated or not. How are they going to check if you don't have any of your documents? By checking your chip of course! It's really not insane to think at all because the mainstream media has even reported about the possibility of it actually happening. You know how people chipped their pets? If that technology exists, then what makes you think it isn't possible for a human? The technology does exist and it is very real. People have already implanted chips into their hands already. It's called RFID. Instead of acting like you know things by saying to me to do my research, you should actually do your research. I have done plenty of research on this topic. I recommend you should do it to before you get the vaccination 😉

[9Livezzz]

But you are right... Why the fuck would they want to do such a thing? It's fucked up. What their main goal to do is make everything digital. They even want to make our money digital. Notice the rise in prices in cryptocurrency lately? No probably haven't noticed the rise in it since the mainstream media is being silent about it. If you live in Florida youd be somewhat aware of everything becoming digital since they are about to make their drivers licence be digital. I don't blame you for being completely blind to all of this though because that's what the media's job is to do. It's to brainwash everyone into believing what they say so we will follow along with no questions asked. Remember how the shutdowns was supposed to only last a couple of week in the beginning? Look to what that couple of weeks has turned into. Never let a crisis go to waste though right? At least that's what the government says.

[Soteris]

Do you know what an RFID chip is? Do you know what it can and more importantly, can't do? Having an RFID chip would be functionally inferior to them just taking your finger prints since at least with finger prints not only can you identify someone but you can also find their fingerprints on things they have touched and track them that way. The RFID only identify you when they put a scanner against your chip. It is very inefficient to say the least.

[9Livezzz]

Yes and no. It's a way for them to track you and to verify that you actually received the vaccine. All they would have to do is scan you and if you beep then they know you took the vaccine if you don't beep then they know you didn't take the vaccine. You are correct in that aspect of the RFID chips but these are different. They store information as well. These chips can hold your medical history, reveal your identification, it can make payments (like a debit card), it can be used as your keys to start your car or enter your home, the list goes on and on and it's being used by more and more people. It's not big yet around most of the world but it soon will be. There's a company I believe in Montana that has given the chip to some volunteer employees to test out. Most of the people who live in Sweden already have the chip implanted and the chip has become a part of their daily lives. Speaking of Sweden, did you know Sweden has been basically untouched by the coronavirus. Their country never went into lock down, they don't wear masks at all, they don't even practice social distancing either. They live like the coronavirus doesn't even exist. Coincidence? You be the judge. I'll leave a link to a 2 minute youtube video from a nbc news broadcast of this chip being used in Sweden. Keep in mind this was broadcasted over a year ago and listen closely what they say towards the end. Yes this technology is very real and is being used already. It's really quite scary if you ask me. https://youtu.be/Ksw-arKvMPk

[Soteris]

No. RFID chips do not really store any information, they do not need to. Their purpose is to identify you at which point storing information on the chip becomes pointless. An example: Lets say you are registered as an employee at a company. Once you identify yourself using your chip the reader does not need to read any passwords or something from your chip to know what access you have. It simply contacts its local security severs to see what access user #00001 has and if you want to change your access you need to change it on the company servers, never on the RFID chip. Likewise you use the same identity code for buying something as you use for opening doors, they are not different and all the extra information is stored on their company servers.

As for people having implanted chips in Sweden? Its very veeeery few, mostly just tech enthusiasts. How do I know this? I live in Sweden. Likewise I know Sweden is having massive issues with Covid19 including a lot of deaths because of our poor handling of the matter. We did indeed not go into a lockdown and it SHOWS.

[9Livezzz]

You must not have watched the YouTube video I sent. That video was made a year ago. Most of Sweden's civilians are chipped now. They don't even accept cash anymore. You don't have to accept what is coming our way but everything I have said so far is 100% true. I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove. The technology is real, it's not a conspiracy theory of the highest order. It is actually being talked about being put into the vaccines. Anyone who is willing to take these vaccines are insane. Not only for the reason of the microchip but also for putting that much trust into the vaccine that isn't even researched on being healthy to take. They are pushing it through without doing any testing on possible long term effects. They tried to push a vaccine for smallpox and almost everyone who took that vaccine is now suing them for what that vaccine has done them years later. There is no evidence at all showing this vaccine is healthy for you. So you can call me a threat all you want but reality is, I don't care if I am a threat to sheep. I'm being smart about it by using common sense and I'm looking out for the people I love. So go ahead take that vaccine and regret later. I know won't regret not taking it. I have survived this long through this pandemic I don't think a vaccine is going to be any good for anyone at this point.

[Soteris]

Yes I watched your video and it does not at all show what you think it shows. Sure we have mostly moved away from cash but it has been replaced with card and bank applications, not with RFID chips implanted into people. Furthermore its just a fact that fingerprints is objectively a better way to track people than RFID chips will ever be. You are hysterical about things you simply do not understand.

[Kurαȷ]

That's easy.
Vaccine may be forced upon you because you catching a potentially deadly virus and then spreading it around is something that affects health and well being of other people.
Abortion is a personal issue that only affects the pregnant woman who chooses to undergo it.

[9Livezzz]

Influenza is potentially deadly virus. How come it wasn't forced up us with the flu?

[Twalli]

Because each individual strain of influenza is less deadly than COVID-19

[Anonymous]

There are consequences for our choices and actions. I will give this analogy: Anti-vaxxers complaining it's unfair not being allowed in public because they didn't get the vaccine, that's like a criminal (for a serious crime) complaining it's not fair for him to go to jail when everyone else gets to be free! It was his choice to commit the crime and he suffered the consequences of it. Well the best solution to not go to jail is don't commit the crime in the first place! Your choices: don't take the vaccine, the consequence is you will have to quarantine and self isolate or take the vaccine and you will be allowed in public and at your job.

[Twalli]

It's your employer's choice to choose what is safest for the employees. No COVID-19 is the safest. You don't want the vaccine, then you don't have a job with that employer. Endangering the health and welfare of your coworkers is grounds for firing. I won't be taking the vaccine, but that's because it won't work on me. It needs an immune system to work, and I don't have one. As for abortion, it doesn't affect the lives of other people. The fetus may be stillborn or die in the womb even without an abortion. Since abortion is illegal once the baby can be removed and survive it isn't a person until then.

[josephinelcajon]

Welcome to the Democratic party! You will loose any freedom you thought you had!

[Anonymous]

Lets make it even simpler. Try to vaccinate me and I’ll fucking murder you where you stand. Who wants to try it?

[michael1469]

Yes its worth it, we can save your family and friends lives from your blatant stupidity.

[9Livezzz]

Haha that's so kind of you

[Opinion Owner]

@michael1469 my family and friends are on my side. Tell me how to save ourselves from your poison barbs? Mind your own fucking business and there’s no issue

[michael1469]

Somply put you guys are idiots. So your family didn't get vaccinated for measles either? Let me guess you dont practice social distancing either cause its fake? They are paid actors WORLDWIDE making false claims.

[Opinion Owner]

@michael1469 useful idiots, thats the term, not ‘paid actor’

With people as dumb as you who needs to pay em? U do it for free thinking ur some fucking hero

Mind your own god damn business, u wanna wear a mask and take shots have at it but don’t fucking tell me what to do

[michael1469]

So if someone tells you you need to wear a mask, its infringing on you rights. But if you dont wear on you are infringing on others... again i say you are a selfish prick.

[michael1469]

When doctor and scientists, ya know the smart people, say mask up- you fucking maskup. There is over 260k reasons why, and over 13M chances to die to date.

[Opinion Owner]

@michael1469 you think that by not wearing a mask im infringing on others rights

Your head is fucked

[michael1469]

Nope you and your family are fucked. Got friends who thought the same way... they got covid... 2 died no preexisting. But those were the paid actors, guess they really got into the role.

[Nachowedgie]

I've been saying this would happen since this first began

[9Livezzz]

I wasn't saying it when it first happened. When the virus first came out I was freaked out and wearing a mask but after about a month into I started to see what it was all about

[Quackthulu]

It isn’t just your fucking body at risk dumbass. But keep trying.

[SenseiSeptred]

Even with that being said, maybe look at it as equal opportunity punishment for all.

[jjj101010]

Yeah it is ur body ur choice but it’s ur bosses business his choice? If he doesn’t want people infecting his staff that’s up to him. U do what’s best for u and let them do what’s best for them.

[Nachowedgie]

How can the vaccinated staff be infected if they got the vaccine?

[jjj101010]

@Nachowedgie even the most successful vaccines r only 90% effective so this means 1 in 10 are still at risk

[michael1469]

Because it effects everyone... your abortion is your choice ans effect ls no one.

[9Livezzz]

No the vaccine doesn't effect everyone. It effects you. If you get the vaccine then you are protected. If I don't get the vaccine then I am not protected. Stop worrying about my health. If I want to risk it, then who cares. It doesn't effect everyone. How does the vaccine effect everyone? That doesn't make sense at all. It only effects you.

[michael1469]

OMG are you they fucking stupid? You selfish littlr prick!! You take a vaccine so not only you, bit those around you. No different then wearing a mask. i worry about your health because of you lack of concern for others. You can die for all i care, but if your whole family dies, thats on you for being so stupid.

[9Livezzz]

If those around me take it then who's it really protecting?

[michael1469]

It doesn't make YOU immune... you can still get it.

[9Livezzz]

You're basically saying I should take the vaccine to protect all the people who have the same mind set like me who don't want to take the vaccine? Are you kidding me hahahaha

[9Livezzz]

Yes please protect me and go take the vaccine because Im so scared of this virus hahahaha

[9Livezzz]

It doesn't make you immune if you take the vaccine? Then what's the point of taking it if you still can get the virus? It's basically pointless then hahaga

[9Livezzz]

Are you reading what you type? You're contradicting yourself with every sentence

[michael1469]

You dumbass... if all around you tske it... you are not immune. I am story you can comprehend normal thinking.

[leahzrc]

the context doesn't apply but go off

[Massageman]

Amen!

[joeldalton]

Bingo.

[Dave31989]

i know, right?