What's wrong with saying all lives matter?

[jasco]

I thought we were the human race, so why dont we all just come together instead of black, blue, white or whatever lives matter. I feel like people are starting to break apart piece by piece, some quicker then others. I feel like people are starting to hurt others more then usual which is even worse. I feel like BLM isn't doing what it should be doing and that's getting black people together, showing black people there's a better life then crime, but it seems that from what it looks like, they simply want war. Ex: when they took down the statue's, I agree they should not have been there but wouldn't it be better for everyone If y'all put it in a museum so that anyone who wants to see it can. I dont like statue's to begin with so yea. Another ex is stone mountain park in atlanta, from what I saw both sides were armed with lots of different firearms and I feel like both sides are at fault for that shit. I feel like that was unnecessary and uncivilized. I thought we as a nation were suppose to be United as it says in our name but what I see is bitterness, hatred, greed, unhappiness, morals going down so low they might as well not exist, people no longer caring about what happens and are deciding to be a giant asshole instead of listening or talking it out. Ex gang wars, the roits in all these cities, the rappers being killed, and all that other shit. I feel like what Martin Luther king did was a dream compared to the nightmare that we are facing. I have seen repeated videos of what 1 man could do if he tried to stay as civilized as possible while making sure his voice was heard, by being a actual leader and showing kindness, compassion and love to one another, but what were doing is far from it. It's just turning into a all out warzone and sooner or later something really bad may happen and I dont want that to happen cause I feel like we need a better solution to everything going on.

Do you agree with this? If so why?

Do you disagree with this? If so why?

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+1 y

I have said this many times and I won't stop it but BLM shouldn't about white supremacy and all that bs. What it should be about is the helping of black people first. Start off with the community cause I am pretty racist people are born, there train and taught to be that way so why not change the community that these people from, why not show black people that by working together things can be easier?

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+1 y

Well this has been entertaining honestly, I am thankful for the ones who were willing to sit down and talk to me. Everyone have a great night/day

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

"All Lives Matter" is a phrase that exists solely as a response to Black Lives Matter rather than being an movement based on any truly humanitarian ideal. The response is either based on a misinterpretation of what Black Lives Matter argues, a false statement, or an is/ought problem.

As a misrepresentation of Black Lives Matter, people often use the phrase "All Lives Matter" not to champion all lives, but as a rebuttal to the supposed argument that the phrase "Black lives matter" means that lives of other races don't matter. The Black Lives Matter movement doesn't exist to assert that non-Black lives don't matter. Instead, Black Lives Matter simply addresses the issues that affect Black people at higher rates, such as unarmed Black people being killed by police when not threatening the lives of police officers, and such police officers often escaping justice in court. If police are able to escape justice for unjustly killing others, one can argue that the victims' lives don't matter to the police officers that killed them and the court system that allowed it. The phrase "Black Lives Matter" exists as a direct response to people escaping justice for killing Black people unjustly and informing people that Black lives matter like anybody else's lives in the law enforcement and judicial systems, not that other people's lives don't matter.

As a downright false statement, the phrase "All Lives Matter" exists based on false information and ignorance to relevant information such as statistics. At its worst, as a false statement, the phrase could simply be used to counter Black Lives Matter without addressing the arguments made by Black Lives Matter supporters. For example, statistics show that Black people are three times more likely to be gunned down by police, especially when unarmed and endangering the lives of the cops or civilians. In addition, police officers are more likely to escape justice, especially when their unarmed, non-threatening victim is Black. If it were true that "all lives matter" to law enforcement and judges, then cops wouldn't escape justice.

As an is/ought problem, which is philosophy based, it could be a statement based on genuinely mistaking "what should be" for "what is actually the case." For example, a person might claim that "all lives matter" based on their personal belief on an ideal society, such as the belief that all lives should matter. However, simply because a person believes that all lives should matter doesn't mean that they do matter. As previously mentioned, if all lives truly did matter, then evidence of bias towards Black people in law enforcement and the court system shouldn't exist, especially at the much higher rates that they do. Therefore, if the statement does exist as an genuine is/ought problem, then the statement should be changed to "All Lives Should Matter" so it could make more sense, be more accurate, and less controversial. Your view, as mentioned in your details, seems to be based on the is/ought problem. Yes, we are the human race and SHOULD BE considered such, but unfortunately, racism IS still a thing, which impedes us being treated equally as humans. That's why movements such as Black Lives Matter exist in the first place.

[Sabretooth]

a smoke screen.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Sabretooth: What do you mean by that?

[Sabretooth]

watch this exchange and really zero in on gaetz and how uses the term: https://youtu.be/NRqPOKToiCk

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Sabretooth: Why are you showing me some random video? When you said "a smokescreen," why not just explain to me what YOU mean by that?

[Sabretooth]

it's a way trying to placate without truly wanting to address the issue. for a long time-i didn't understand the issue with that term-until i saw that exchange and really listened and was able to understand the strategy.

[007kingifrit]

i blocked sabertooth the first week i was on this website, he just rambles and insults and its never clear what he is trying to say. the tone is always angry though

[Sabretooth]

i made an error-rough few nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdOPNXlPEU

[proNutro]

Thing is, all around the world do different races suffer but it seems it’s just become a trend to follow the Black Lives Matter movement.


I come from South Africa where we have so much violence in the country in general but the white genocide is the biggest problem. The number of white, innocent farmers being brutally raped, tortured and then murdered and people in parliament, people in political parties of the ANC and EFF are once who enforce this behaviour. We have political party, EFF and ANC, singing “kill the boer” (boer=Farmer=white)
This is something that happens all too often to innocent families, not just farmers but to white people in general in South Africa but people don’t care. Why? Because we’re white and black people suffer more apparently. People either give an excuse for the white genocide saying our ancestors brought it on us but how is what people did longggg ago, now a 7 year olds fault? And I say a 7 year old because a story I can never get out of my mind is how a white 7 year old, daughter of a farmer, got crucified to the kitchen table, raped by the attackers and then murdered. Her parents murdered with an axe and her grandfather burnt to death.
How about a mother with her two sons and daughter (he kids all under the age of 15) were at home when men broke into their home. Tortured them snd then wanted one of the sons to rape their mother. The mother begged and pleaded for the to not do that so then they said they were going to rape the young daughter. They ended up raping the mother in front of her kids.
What about hannah cornelius who got raped and ultimately had a rock thrown on her head.
I personally have had my uncle and aunt brutally murdered with an axe, my mother’s father stabbed with a garden fork which he then managed to get to his room to get his gun but the intruders came in and used his gun to kill him and then left taking nothing, a family friend who went to visit her mom and got murdered... her body found cut up into chunks but people in the morning.
I could go on and on about how white people in South Africa suffer from how the blacks kill us. How political parties encourage the black people to kill the whites.
So, forgive me if I don’t stand with the black lives matter because my whole life I’ve just read or heard about how white people have suffered. My country has gone down because of the people who are running it snd majority of the people who are leaving are white people because of the crime rates. I mean how would you feel if you were a black person and you have political parties with a MASSIVE following, singing about how they’ll kill you because of your race?
I think ALL lives matter. If I saw a person being hurt or in need of help, i don’t care what colour you are, I’ll be there.
We are ALL Gods children, may you believe in Hod or not?

[guesswhoseback]

This is absolutely heinous what you are talking about. But isn’t it funny that the New York Times, Huffington Post or CNN would never say a word about it.

[Lliam]

I supported the Black Lives movement when it started back in, I think it was, 2013. It was a justified response to racial profiling, police brutality and killing.
But somehow, along the way, it got hijacked. Some of the current leaders admit to being trained Marxist revolutionaries.

I am 1000% opposed to vandalism, looting and arson. These people are like alQaida terrorists. I think they should be either arrested and given heavy sentences, or shot on sight if they refuse to surrender. BLM radicals (not mere protestors) have been joined by antifa to commit terrorism in opposition to the very constitution of the USA. Their "demands" are completely insane. It is no longer about racism.

When I hear these people talk about racism, they harp about the past, ignoring the present. They want to condemn the present based on past slavery and a narrow view of history. But we got rid of slavery over 150 years ago and ended segregation over 50 years ago. These people don't even seem to be aware of the history of slavery in the world. It wasn't only blacks who were oppressed.

I strongly supported the civil rights movement and people like MLK. The goal was unity and equality. I even supported the Black Panthers. They didn't engage in destruction and offensive violence.

What the current protestors try to ignore is the tremendous progress we have made in the past 50 or 60 years. The difference between 1960 and 2020 is like night and day.

There are still bigots. And some systemic racial prejudice still exists, in some parts of the country more so than others. But I'd say that oppression today is more about socio-economics than race. Laws have extended the oppression of minorities to everyone. Poor people always get the shaft. It's just that minorities tend, on average, to be lower on the socio-economic spectrum. But there are many, many poor, underprivileged white folk, as well.

I oppose all forms of bigotry and welcome efforts to end it. But I have become totally opposed to what BLM has become. It has made an enemy out of me.

[SomeBlondeChick]

Never got hijacked numbskull, it's always been a Marxist ideology. Did you fail high school by the way? As for vandalism, etc. Malcolm X would be the forerunner to BLM and similar ideologies and his ghost is dancing a victory gig upon his grave seeing people doing what he always preached to do.

[Lliam]

@SomeBlondeChick. Golly you must be a true scholar. I'm humbled by your brilliance. 🤣🤣🤣Unfortunately, you seem to have failed in communication skills and, therefore, at influencing others. LOL

[nourishing]

Unmasked by Andy Ngo tells the realities of what happened in Portland in 2020 but that never made it to the news. All that got out was "policy brutality".. ANTIFA had ordered laser weapons and they specifically targetted people and shops those guys need to calm down and think about things more rationally. And yes, it's always been Marxist ideology which, to be honest with you is not a good start.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO, Jasco.

[PhilEvans]

From a very naïve viewpoint, you're right that all lives matter.

But you're completely missing the point of BLM. Black people suffer a tremendous amount of injustice at the hands of law enforcement in the US. They're 10 times more likely to get pulled over while driving than white people, and the police officer is far more likely to reach for his gun than for a white person.

If I got pulled over by a US cop, as a white male approaching middle age I could shout, scream and swear at him. It might get me a bigger ticket, and it might get me arrested, but unless I actually pull a gun I'm going to survive the encounter.
A black man in the same situation, driving the same car would have to have his hands out the window ready for the cop, speak quietly and calmly and be very careful to not make any sudden movements. If he got shot, the police officer wouldn't even end up in trouble.

This is why we say BLM. Not because they matter more than white lives, but because they matter just as much, but are not currently treated as if they do. When you say "All lives matter", you're effectively denying there's any problem. When you say "Blue lives matter", you're saying that the police are justified in their wholesale murder of innocent black civilians.

As a footnote, I'm aware that as a white man, some people might consider my use of the word "black" to refer to people of colour as offensive. Please be aware that I'm in the UK, and black is the accepted word here, "African American" would be too specific as we see similar problems (but to a lesser extent) across Europe.

[jasco]

Welp I call bullshit, black people do far more incredibly stupid things then white people and that has been proven, most cops would for sure arrest you if you start being a piece if shit regardless of skin color, 2nd I feel like that most black people are inclined to be arm but that was before 2020, now it seems a lot of black people aren't today so yea. When I say blue lives matter i say it as saying that we shouldn't just start judging them base on things that other cops are doing, i have no problem with holding people accountable with there actions but the media shouldn't be so quick to judge. Ex George floyd, the officers that were there almost immediately went to prison without a trial and that's not right. I never denied the problem that black people face, we do have a problem and it's more of a cultural problem then a society problem. I could careless it your white, black, Asian or whatever.

[PhilEvans]

Ok, so let's look at your response
"black people do far more incredibly stupid things then white people and that has been proven" - This is just an unsupported racist comment
"most cops would for sure arrest you if you start being a piece if shit regardless of skin color" - Demonstrably not true. Black guys get shot regularly for this, white guys might get arrested if they're unlucky
"I feel like that most black people are inclined to be arm" - This is your perception, and it's the same perception that makes police officers jumpy when speaking to black people. There's no evidence to support this claim though, and many black people choose not to carry a gun because being seen with it is likely to result in getting shot.
"Ex George floyd, the officers that were there almost immediately went to prison without a trial and that's not right" - They were arrested three days later and released on bail. They are STILL not in prison.

[jasco]

Well then if what your saying is true then what would you do, to help black people

[PhilEvans]

The big issue right now is that police need to be held accountable for actions.
If you see a police officer interacting with a black person, stop and film them.
Write to your elected officials asking why they aren't insisting that the police challenge their officers on deaths. Ask them why police never seem to have footage from their bodyworn cameras from when they've shot people.
Join protests, be visible and have a camera.
If you have elected police chief/sherrif/DA in your area, vote them out.
Find out what's going on in your area and get involved.

[jasco]

Ok well yea ofc I do that, just because you never know what can happen and I agree we shouldn't have to feel this way but we do

[hellionthesagereborn]

Thats incorrect. Statistically blacks get pulled over more because they are statistically more likely to commit traffic violations. The study was done three separate times because every time some one claimed racism so they kept adding more black researchers and police to test this and they kept finding the exact same thing. Interestingly though, while blacks are more then twice as likely to commit a traffic violation they are also more then twice as likely to be let off with a warning then whites are. So in fact the data shows that blacks are actually more privileged in this area then whites are.

Statistically if we look at violence, blacks are far more likely to perpetuate it on every one then the other way around. 40% of police killed are killed by blacks, 80% of all interracial violence is perpetrated by blacks against whites and when you remove whites from the equation 80% of interracial violence is perpetuated by blacks against hispanics, and blacks are 150% more likely to commit a hate crime, are responsible for over half of all violent crime, robberies, and murders and are over represented in rape offenses despite being only 13% of the population. Statistically a cop is actually 18% more likely to be killed by a black suspect then an unarmed black person is to be killed by a police officer. Blacks are far more likely to resist arrest as well which results in even more incidents of police being forced to use violence against them to apprehend them because they refuse to respect their authority.

So that is incorrect.

[nourishing]

@hellionthesagereborn Just chiming in! Hi! Ok so what these statistics prove then is that black culture is statistically a far more violent culture in the midst of other cultures than any other culture. In other words, they do in fact "do far more incredibly stupid things than white people".

What needs to be addressed is culture reform required to pull these people away from that lifestyle and into confidence instilling education with fruitful futures and goals. We have the same issue in Australia with Indigenous people. It's not that police brutality is the problem, it's that -as a white culture- we are justifying their "unadvanced" culture (so to speak) because we "don't want to get involved" or be accused of more colonist behaviour. But this simply doesn't have to be the perception. I think it's time we work together to lift people out of poverty and recognise that some traditions don't work (like woman abuse in the house hold which is why aboriginal men get incarcerated) and young boys sniffing petrol because local school isn't a priority. This stuff can be avoided if these communities were introduced to a "future/impact" focused culture. What sort of impact can these people make in the world? What do they value? What sorts of changes do you want to make in the world.. ok here's how you get there, and you put kids on a path by having confidence instilling conversations. That's how you change a culture... not with CRT.

[nourishing]

@hellionthesagereborn And I'll just add, a good place to start in America is by not voting for the Democrats. The Democrats have kept "black people" "on the plantation" systemically for hundreds of years.. It's time we stop living in the past and recognise that the only way forward is by living in the present and that means taking our heads out of history books or rather recognising that all races have had to face turmoil and slavery (including white christians) and that we need to focus on what each person can contribute now rather than looking at the negatives. Maybe "black people" according to your statistics should straighten up and live self-respecting lives and learn how to respect authority, not steal, not murder and not rape. This starts with shifting the culture towards a values centrered culture. There are far more constructive things we could all be doing if we opened our eyes up to the true threats we facing in this world, and I tell you "systemic racism" or "police brutality on black people" is not one of them.

[OlderAndWiser]

The problem in this country is that the Democrat Party has formed itself around the core of identity politics and the MSM advance the Democrat agenda by encouraging people to think in racial/ethnic identity terms, rather than to think of American people cohesively.

[The_Inquisitor]

The Democrat party has brainwashed my people, I find it cruelly ironic that the party that birthed the KKK, the party that has been historically against the black people, has black people supporting them blindly while the party created by the black people, The Republican Party, is hated by the black people.

[OlderAndWiser]

@The_Inquisitor Indeed, there is some irony in that state of affairs!

[The_Inquisitor]

It's also sad that we the black community are victims of oppression, speak out as victims but the people oppressing us? is ourselves. The black community oppresses itself with extreme hate towards anyone who do not follow "The Black code"

[OlderAndWiser]

@The_Inquisitor That is how it appears to many outsiders.

[RingOfFire]

Black Lives Matter is a political movement that doesn't have a thing to do with helping black people. In fact like everything else the left does, its about keeping black people DEPENDENT on government instead of helping them become INdependent. It was founded by self proclaimed Marxists who hate America and are in lockstep with the Democrats who want to keep black people dependent on them to get their votes.

BLM is an organization created to stir up hatred and make black people feel that they are helpless victims who need to rely on the government because they don't have the brains and talent to compete with everybody else. Then, when someone calls out BLM they say "See! They are racists." The Democrats are behind it. Their entire existence relies on keeping minorities dependent on welfare and food stamps so that they feel like they have no choice to vote for Democrats to get bigger handouts. They rely on creating hatred and making people feel like helpless victims who need them to get ahead. BS! No human being is helpless!

What a DESPICABLE AND RACIST CONCEPT!

If black people really want to succeed they need to REJECT this victimhood complex, REJECT the Democrat's plantation, stand up on their own two feet and understand that THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DESTINY. America provides them with more opportunities than any nation in history ever has. You are not helpless. This is NOT a racist country, it's a country filled with opportunities for ANYONE. Stop being angry and hating America. Stop listening to the Democrats who tell you it's someone else's fault and you are a helpless victim! IT'S A FRAUD DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU IN DEPENDENCY! Don't hate America, work WITH America and see how far you can get.

VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS IF YOU WANT REAL CHANGE.

DON'T YOU GET IT (I am not talking about the OP here who I think is really smart)? THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT YOU TO BE FREE!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/bMx23FMo10U

[hellionthesagereborn]

We are breaking apart because that is PRECISELY what the left wants. You cannot control a person who is independent, you cannot appeal to a group of individuals as easily as you can with block groups. So they cannot control a society that is united and that means they cannot extort you, buy your votes, manipulate you nearly as well. BUT if they get you to hate others, to be too busy fighting other people who would otherwise have sided with you, well you remain weak and easily manipulated.

Look at what the left and what the right does. The left says all white people are racist (except for them of coures) and that is why only they can be trusted, so what happened? Blacks vote in democrats. So did their lives get better? Objectively not. In fact things have been getting worse for blacks in all the democrat run areas. Clearly the only one who benefited from this was the democrat politicians. Now what happens when you start questioning it? Do white people attack you? No, but democrats do. Why? If they truly wanted to help you and not themselves why would they constantly punish those who go against them? Again, this only benefits them. If they tell you a lie and your so isolated from other groups that you are not able to verify it is a lie, you cannot see how they are living their life differently then yours and succeeding where your failing, how are you going to know that they are lying to you and choose a better path? Well you can't. But again, who does that benefit? Not you, it benefits the one telling the lie.

This is why they do this, because breaking us apart, turning people into weak victims, and keeping each group isolated from others and every one paranoid about the other gives them power over you when if this wasn't happening you would be the one with all the power and they would be the one who was weak. This is why they do this.

[lightbulb27]

Because say it to the wrong person in the wrong way and you'll be assaulted. They only perceive their own issues and that is like devaluing their feelings of hurt. They don't care about other races, only their own pain right now. Sadly, many black people who grew up in the trap of their environment... African americans specifically as Africans do not seem to have this issue that I've seen, are often the most racially baised. I've heard that from black people. Sadly, they are also a large group still involved in slavery... humans do not evolve very fast... it is hard work, ask Jesus Christ.

Either you are much older than reported or wise beyond your years. Either way need to get you into a position of power, run for office... once you learn what is going on.

If logic and common sense were in play, then you'd get your wish. This is 100's years of messed up abuse and emotional trauma. It feels right.
Some people ok, some are not... mentally... the do not care by race. They have pure hatred and disgust and don't care. Remember, Hitler thought it was a great idea to wipe out Jews. It's emotional damage... and not easy to fix.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/four-women-suspected-of-beating-and-robbing-a-target-employee-in-northeast-columbus/

[Anonymous]

I'm actually impressed that someone shares my views for once. The only thing I dont agree with is taking down statues, changing names, the flag. Hear me out, you can't erase history no matter how hard you try, it happened. You learn from it or you are doomed to repeat it. People were killed, blood was shed, and it was another piece of history that happened to build America. The good and bad must be mixed to build a strong world. We also have statues of presidents, African American Heros, war heros, memorials in their name. To me that is the good mixed with bad, we show how we evolve and overcome. You are right. The world is full of hate, bitterness and attention. We are divided more and more each day and that will be our destruction. I also agree with showing the families of poverty including the African American communities that anything is possible. Poverty is a state of mind. I know wonderful people born into poverty of different races and even genders, who have wonderful jobs/careers. If you bust your ass hard enough, work together, never give up, you can be the next big time lawyer. If you ever noticed media keeps us divided the most. They always have to put our race in the headlines, and mostly just white or black is used.. " BLACK man was shot by a WHITE man" i dont see much " WHITE man shot by BLACK man." Why is our race important? Why can't it be a " Man was shot." A life was lost, thats what truly matters, not what color.
I know im going to get so much hate. I expect it. So im gonna limit to just your replies lol. I think you have a very interesting point of view. 😁

[AccidentalCompliance]

Saying black live matter doesn't mean white lives don't matter. It's like saying I like the colour purple, it doesn't mean I hate all the other colours. However in many countries around the world (especially USA) it's the black lives that are at a greater risk from being killed needlessly by law enforcement so the movement is based around that. Saying "We need to save the Amazon" doesn't mean we should cut down the rest of the rain forests, it just means that the Amazon is the one that needs protecting over the others as it's the one that's being deforested. Now swap in black for Amazon and killed for deforestation.

Of course unity is the ideal way forward, however as shown by groups such as (in UK) the EDL, the BNP/Britain First and UKIP (all borderline/very racist groups) the world isn't completely ready for unity and a lot of the world leaders (Trump, Johnson) share these views. in my opinion give it a couple years when the 50+ generation are gone and I think everything will become easier. But we need groups like BLM to give awareness to the issues. Whether you agree with their tactics or not, you have to admit they're effective because we're all talking about it.

[Kaazsz]

It’s all a bunch of nonsense if you ask me. It’s nothing but political posturing and power grabbing and thought control.


Point out any conservative black individuals, and tell me how they live their lives? Now point out any liberal black individuals and tell me how they live their lives?


Who is more likely to have a good life? And who is more likely to be ignorant, stupid, violent, go to jail, overdose on drugs, get shot by the cops, have crimes on their record.


If you don’t immediately see that the liberal brainwashed black individual is suffering, while the conservative black individual is living a positive life, than I don’t know what to tell you.


Black Lives Matter is how the liberals keep the black vote. It’s how they keep black people angry and afraid.


When it comes to conservatives, I literally follow 95% black ones. Cuz they are like me. Former rabid liberals full of hate and rage and self destruction. Who wake up from the liberal brainwashing machine, and see reality for what it really is.


Black Lives Matter is just a group of brainwashed individuals helping the liberals keep black people down.


If all black people in the US adopted the conservative view of the world, the black community’s problems would vanish. Point blank.


And really, it has nothing to do with conservative policy. It’s about a perspective on life. And black folks are in a great position to embrace that, because they have been on the other side, and won’t take life for granted like other conservatives may do, who never even saw the other side for what it is.

[The_Inquisitor]

BLM hasn't been about helping black people since it started, they are trying to hurt the black community, literally they are the reason I have to hide my child from people.
In my opinion, in todays standard BLM is more dangerous to the black community than the KKK because they are instilling even more fear of black people into the nation.

I get that police brutality is the problem but you mothafuckas don't fuckin see the arrests, I have. I have see black people get arrested then assault the officer and try to flee, that is literally assault. There is a fucking video floating around of a female officer getting stabbed several times by a crazy drugged out man because they are now afraid the god damn world will fucking attack them for doing their jobs. All these people claiming the police brutality, what about hood brutality? Black brutality? Why am I afraid of seeing another person of my own race when I walk down the road? Why should I have to be afraid for my daughters future because she is mixed? Whenever I see people bring up george floyd I think "You mean that violent crack head?" You know how many people get stabbed, beaten an raped by crack heads on a daily basis? Fuck I am tired of this "Black Live matter" bullshit.

It's cheap and it means nothing more than "We are the victims here"

[The_Inquisitor]

What hurts the most about all this bullshit, is that people are acting like nothing bad is on the side of BLM. they ignore the countless assault, sexual assault and attempted murder to murder charges members face.

They ignore how radical leftists are gathering actual militias, doing actual planning to take governors hostage. These people are becoming more and more dangerous by the day

[Purplemonkey24]

This made me so sad, but I honestly see your point. Im not the asker, but thank you for your opinion. I agree with you and its sad people feel as you do.

[PersoncslledPierson]

What’s wrong with it? It’s racist, and jus pisses me off,
I’m not even black, I’m white, I don’t even understand the problems blacks face but it still pisses me off, why?

The reason black lives matter was made was because cops kill black people so dismissfully like they don’t matter, and everyone jus sees black people as less worthy, that’s why black lives matter was made... to show that black people matter too, regardless of their colour

But all lives matter is jus straight up racist cos we already know Asian, Caucasian, indian or whatever are treated fairly... other racist aren’t so easily killed and harassed by cops, it’s like your tryna take away the point of black lives matter and forget about black lives mattering... and jus trying to give more rights to all races when all but black were already treated fairly, do u know what I’m saying? It’s jus fucking greedy,
Asians white Indians whatever... are already being treated fairly... it’s the blacks that aren’t... that’s why black lives matter is a thing... why would we bother to say all lives matter if we are already all treated fair, what’s the point of that? Do u know what I’m saying?

[PersoncslledPierson]

It’s like if a endangered animal was on the brink of exstinction... say a seal for example... imagine seals are about to be extinct but all other animals are nowhere near exstinction... so animal rights activists brings out a movement to try and save them saying “seals lives matter”
Then u come out and say... no... all animals matter

IT TAKES AWAY THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT IF THE MOVEMENT,
I can’t believe u other dumb white retards can’t see how racist you are being by saying all lives matter, u think ur doing good don’t u?
U think ur tryna preach equality by saying we all matter... but ur doing the opposite of that... ur either jus retarded or racist... or I’m jus smarter than most

[PersoncslledPierson]

Can’t believe so many dumb white retards agree with the all lives matter thing,,,, guess most people jus don’t think or use their brain much

[ACupOfFrosting]

Finally someone that has brains. Bro have you read the comments on here?
Who the fuck decided to give me life as if I'd choose to live in this shit hole.

[PersoncslledPierson]

@ACupOfFrosting ye lol

[PersoncslledPierson]

Tell me about it

[jasco]

If what your saying is true then wouldn't wanting to better the government instead of just focusing on one part of the problem be the best solution in solving not just cops, poor treatment of blacks, and many other problems. wouldn't figuring out the problem with black culture also be a good idea to sense there seems to be something bad going on in that area to

[Anonymous]

I have no problem with all lives matter. As a Muslim, I don’t want to see Black people oppressed, or Asians made fun of or White people being harassed. I do want peace, problem is there are idiots in society who get listen to filth of what the media portrays about others and to them it turns them on and it cranks up their hatred for others. For example, the US govt issued the military to kill over 1 million Iraqi’s that’s just one country of the world. In the last 20 years millions of Muslims have died as well but people are silent on oppression because people living in the US assume it’s patriotic, how? I’ve woke up in the morning and heard a white man gunned down his school plenty of times and majority of the victims were white people and I sympathize and feel awful. A real person with real human feelings will feel regret and sorrow for others. Black people have dealt with a lot and continue to do so. But there are people who use that BLM hash tag # for the wrong purposes. I know that it boils down to this. People know the history of the western countries and how it was colonized in the first place through genocide and slavery. If there are white people reading this and they get triggered by my comment I think it has more to do with fear. Because deep down inside they know the population is becoming more multicultural of non Whites. There are white people who are cool and down to earth and don’t care about this whole “my land, my land, my land” BS. I ask those who have that racist ideology to let it go and instead of being hateful be peaceful. This world will always be diverse and no one can stop that but God. Therefore support others and be friendlier with each other. If this still garners thumbs down from GAG users then obviously my message doesn’t mean anything to them.

[DiegoO]

Let's put it this way. Afrodescendants around the world, and also, subsaharians Africans, suffer discrimination with far more frequency than any other human population. That has historical roots. Europe created a global industry of slavery, where most enslaved were subsaharians Africans. It means, for centuries subsaharians Africans and afrodescendants, who proudly call their self "blacks", were treated worst than animals, and label as "savages", "subhumans". That reality changed until not so long ago, thanks to series of profound social changes. Even after the legality of slavery was abolished, there was still something, named racial segregation (race doesn't exist in our species, but that's another story), that continued for decades. Important public figures like Martin Luther King Jr. , help put an end to its perceived normality. For the first time most agree such segregation was not aceptable, that it was a problem, not a solution. From then the life of black people started to matter more in the eyes of societies that supported the phantasy of a superior human race, to justify the slavery industry. Also, the black comunities knew that they had to assure their freedom, by been politically active in the nation's that once enslaved them. Is why black rights activism emerge, that's why BLM exist.

[Anonymous]

Dude I very much agree that BLM is going down the very wrong path, and so is all the small groups springing up fighting for every last little differentiable trait of a human being.

For example, in science we look at men and women as XY and XX. There are anomalies such as XXX, XXY, XYY. There is a relationship to this pair of chromosomes and practically everything different between men and women. Yet, that's not good enough. Now we have people complaining they're non-binary, that they're gender fluid, that they're a special cupcake, etc. all wanting the science to pander to them. And it's not a suggestion, it's a demand, and if you fail to agree to the demand you get canceled. The scientific community, especially those biologists who'd previously studied the sexes, fear for publishing scientific results because it might offend someone and it'll ruin their career.

BLM in this case reacts to headlines, causes destruction, and runs off. Then the facts roll out (un-edited body cam footage clearly showing the entire event) and we see either the A. headlines lied and BLM ruined a community for nothing, or B. headlines told the truth and there's something we need to fix AND a community got ruined.

I have so many gripes about all this stuff, all the PC people "fighting for equality". They end up being the biggest racists, the biggest sexists, and generate the biggest inequality (unchecked!) because no one wants to stand in front of the PC train to stop it and they don't fight for equality, they point the finger at another race / sex and say "IT'S YOUR FAULT".

[HedwigInABox]

Because "all lifes matter" was started in response to Black lifes matter. It's like calling the fire department cause your house is on fire and they say "all houses are important". Yes obviously they are all important but can we focus on mine now cause I kind of have a problem here?
So yes all lives matter. But not all lives are targeted by the police this heavily. And saying this in response to blm is just to invalidate that black people are having a much harder time with the police than others.
And I'm not saying that anything BLM did was good. Absolutely not. But the basic idea that the US needs changes in their police department is something that I'd agree on. And not just for black people. The US police is corrupt in many aspects.

[Chriscunning]

I don't think it's like saying all houses matter when your house is on fire. A fire would be an incident that occurred. BLM is like saying "Only black houses matter", so when a black house burns we attend to it. Once the fire is out, all houses now matter. Not only black houses.

[HedwigInABox]

@Chriscunning But the black house Is on fire. It's statistically proven that black people are getting more often unfairly targeted by the police than any other race. Police brutality is a problem that black people have to worry about more than others.
A black guy dying from police brutality is also "an incident that occured" BLM isn't saying only black lifes mattter. It's saying black lifes ALSO matter. And yes, once the fire is out we can focus on all houses equaly. But the fire isn't out yet. The government has done nothing to prevent police brutality.

[Chriscunning]

Well BLM is "Black lives matter" not BLAM "Black lives also matter".

But you see your argument with the houses. So the one black houses fire is out, but now we say "no it's not, there's fires still going". So any other house is deemed less important. If the blue house caught fire, then the fire department must go put out the black houses fire.

So i do agree police unfairly target blacks. I think in the world there are many stereotypes. But to turn around and say "The black guy getting killed by police" is more horrible than "The white woman beaten to death by her drunk boy friend" is not fair. i. e. All lives matter.

[HedwigInABox]

@Chriscunning I actually do believe it's more damaging to our society that the police officer kills a black guy than a random citizen killing his white girlfriend. Not because the black life matters more. But because he was killed by someone that WE PAY to protect us. And when we forget about color for a moment, it's still worse that a police officer kills an innocent citizen than a random guy killing his wife. Yes there are ultimately 2 deaths. And both lifes are equal in worth. But we as a society should definitely be more worried about the police killing innocent people than random citizens killing innocent people. Because if we can't trust our police, we also can't trust that other murderers like the wife beater will have to face consequences. So in order for the women to get justice, we need a trust able working police force. We need to know that even if her abusive husband is a police officer, he WILL face consequences for his actions.

And about the BLM and BLAM. The name was formed in response of black people getting killed by the police and no one caring about it. It's supposed to be a reminder that they matter and shouldn't be killed for no reason. I'm sure if they knew back then that so many people would be hung up on the name they would've added an "also".

[Chriscunning]

So you do believe a black person getting killed by police is more horrible than a white woman beaten to death by a boy friend. Well alrighty then.

I don't believe you can speak on behalf of the BLM movement to say what 'they mean to say'. I don't believe it's inclusive, in fact they speak directly out about other lives mattering. Indian lives don't matter, Chinese lives don't matter, only black lives matter.

[HedwigInABox]

@Chriscunning I believe a police officer killing someone for no reason is much worse than a random citizen killing someone for no reason. Wouldn't you agree here?

And if I can't speak on behalf of BLM about their name and what they it's supposed to mean, you can't either.

[Chriscunning]

Well lets put it this way, from were I am from we had a "incident". There was a house robbery, so in South Africa they don't just steal things, generally you tortured a little (eg, being burnt with a hot iron). Anyways, an armed house robbery was in progress. 2 black police officers arrived at the gate. There were 3 white kids, aged 6, 10 and 12. When they saw the police vehicle arrive, they opened the gate and ran towards the police. The police opened fire on the children. Turns out the black police officers thought they were being attacked by the children (despite them not carrying any weapons, bare hands). This barely made local news, not national or international news. There was no follow-up report and the report did not indicate if any of the kids were hurt. I can only assume it's because they were white, because only black lives matter. So I still don't believe in BLM and still insist all lives matter.

As a matter of fact, if BLM was black lives also mattered, wouldn't it be "Stop innocent police killings" or "Stop police corruption"? But no, the race card was intentionally pulled. We focusing on race. There entire movement is race based. The white kids shot at by the police are intentionally excluded from this movement.

I don't agree that one killing is worse than the other. I think it's in poor taste to call the black murder worse.

I wasn't speaking on behalf of BLM movement, but i know when someone said "All lives matter" they directly said no, black lives matter. I am only going on what I have seen.

[HedwigInABox]

@Chriscunning Well your story is an perfect example that police officers should be held to a higher standard than the general public and that a police officer killing someone innocent is worse than a citizen doing it because we are supposed to trust the police. Just because there was not much media coverage doesn't mean it's not important to regulate the police. I think you are to hung up on color here. A police officer not matter his/her skin color should obey the law and protect citizens. That's an universal truth no matter what the color of the skin of anyone involved is. And the US obviously not the only country that has massive corruption problems in their police. But instead of taking the light BLM has shined on police brutality as an opportunity to reform the police for all of our benefit, we fight about semantics.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@HedwigInABox
I consider the burning house metaphor inappropriate and too simplistic because there is also racism against Asians, white people etc!!! Racism against blacks is indisputably the most common form of racism in the USA, but not the only one! Racist Asians and black people do also exist!!

To stay with the example of the burning house: It is like a city in which many houses of black people are burning or maybe even all of them (structural racism) BUT ALSO a few houses of white and Asian people etc!!! Which houses should the fire department extinguish? They should extinguish all of them! ONE MUST STOP RACISM IN GENERELL! And this includes every racism that exists in the world!

Bye the way, if the fire department would answer: "all houses matter", it would include the burning house and therefore the fire department would go out and extinguish the fire. So where is the problem? 🤷‍♂️

The sentence: "Black lives matter" suggests that other lives do not! It is at least very misleading and therefore unwise to choose. Better would have been: "Black life's is not worth less" or "Black life's is worth as much as white life or any other life" (I know this sentence would be too long to use on a demo😅) or "Black lives also matters!“

[Tonytoutouni123]

@HedwigInABox
„I believe a police officer killing someone for no reason is much worse“
It might be worse, but does that mean that the life of „the white woman beaten to death by her drunk boy friend“ did not matter?
So the crime may be a worse one, (because the police should protect you and not kill you) but the lives of the victims were worth the same, right? 👉 all lives matter.

[HedwigInABox]

@Tonytoutouni123 NO BODY EVER SAID ALL LIVES DON'T MATTER. Obviously they do. Is it called "ONLY black lives matter"? No of course not. God damn you're the kind of person that would sit through a funeral speach and interupt the speaker to say "well actually ALL dead people will be missed not just little johnny " Aren't you?

[Tonytoutouni123]

@HedwigInABox
Sad that people like you want to make the other person in a discussion look like an idiot instead of making good argumentations.

Anyway, I'll show you why you're the stupid one of the two of us. Your comparison is misleading again.

At Johnny's funeral it is obvious that it is only about Johnny and not about the other deceased. Why? Because EVERY single one of the others deceased had their own funeral where only he/she was remembered!
So I know for sure that when the priest says: "Johnny will be missed", he also explicitly mentioned the name of EVERY other deceased on the respective funeral! So EVERYONE was remembered!

So if you want to transfer your funeral example to anti-racism demos, this would mean that you would have to make a separate demo for each skin color, cause you also make a funeral for each deceased.

So if you make a Demo crying „black lives matter“ you also would have to make a demo crying „white lives matter“ and one for the Asians etc..

Let us assume that of all victims of racism in the US 90% are black and only 10% are white or Asian etc.

„Black Lives Matter“ in context of your funeral example would be like as if 10 soldiers had died in combat and all 10 are buried at one single funeral.
The priest comes to the grave of each fallen soldier and honors each one. Only the last grave with the 10th soldier he simply ignores. That would be very weird, right?

[HedwigInABox]

@Tonytoutouni123 thankfully, no other race needed their own version of BLM cause they aren't being systematically targeted by the police. So are you mad that BLM matter exists and not a white lives matter? Or Asian lifes matter or any other race? I'm pretty sure any BLM protestor would be happy there was no need to protest.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@HedwigInABox
I would agree with you if the sentence wasn't "BLACK LIVES MATTERS" but "STOP THE SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETING OF BLACK PEOPLE BY THE POLICE!“

In this case one would only need this sentence, because Asians and whites ARE NOT systematically targeted by the police. But the LIVES of whites and Asians DO ALSO matter!

every life counts, therefore I say "ALL LIVES MATTERS".

but ONLY the black people are systematically targeted by the police! Therefore I say: "STOP THE SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETING OF BLACK PEOPLE BY THE POLICE! Makes sense, right?
If white and Asian and black people were systematically targeted by the police, would you still say: "STOP THE SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETING OF BLACK PEOPLE BY THE POLICE"? That wouldn't make sense. Would it? It would give the impression that you had forgotten the Asians and the white people. It’s the same with BLM

I think if you want to draw attention to the racism against black people, you could instead of saying misleading sentences like "BLM" say for example
"BLACK LIVES ALSO MATTERS"
What’s the problem with this statement?
Until now, I have not heard a single argument against this statement. So why not simply say that 🤷‍♂️ It would calm down many people and would therefore be of way better use to fight against racism.
BLM only leads to more hatred and more racism.

[Screenwriter]

The movement that Martin Luther King lead was a bipartisan, biracial force that started change through nonviolence. Some people are tired of waiting so they're more aggressive and feel they can resort to violence because the other side is OK with doing the same.
It's true, all lives matter, but Black Lives Matter, just like the NAACP, is a group instituted to help black people and people of color. It was not instituted to help police or white people or OTHER groups that exist.
Did anyone suggest that we rename the NAACP the NAAAP? National Association for the Advancement of ALL People?
So don't insult the BLM movement by saying the same. THe issues are far more black people are in prison than white people, far more black people are under or poorly educated than white people, far more black people live in poverty.
It's not ABOUT ALL LIVES!!! It's about a longtime suffering group.
One day we won't need such groups. That day hasn't come yet.

[PersoncslledPierson]

Yea, most people are too retarded to understand the point of the movement

Or they think they’re doing good, they think their being good people and preaching equality by saying all lives matter... they think they’re getting the “goodie points” to be a respectable member of society, little do they know they’re doing the opposite of that and jus sounding self centred and annoying lol

[PersoncslledPierson]

Fucking white retards tryna ride the political correctness bandwagon lol

[jasco]

Well most black people from what I can see earnt that spot in prison not all of them, there are many cases of where the victim has falsely accused tho. Everyone has the ability to grow themselves, look online, ask elders for advice, figure out your own way of living, find a way out of that and even if looks dark, keep trying. I agree that a lot of black people are poor and from what everyone else says uneducated, but everyone can afford to go the library and find a way to be better

[Screenwriter]

You can say all those things because you've had the opportunity to be educated, have parents who are present and not involved in criminal activity, go to good schools. Tell me what you'd be like if you had NONE of that. Your chances would be slim to none if you didn't. My mother TOOK me to the library as a young child and because she did that, I went on my own a few years later and my brother went too. If there is no precedent in people's lives, it is nearly impossible to do all that bootstraps crap on your own. People who SAY that, have not pulled themselves up that way. On NPR today was a woman who works in commuting wrongful sentences handed down under defunct laws. Pot has been decriminalized, yet people are in PRISON for a few ounces of it. For YEARS. STILL. She got Obama to commute the sentence of a woman who went to prison because her boyfriend was a dealer when she was a teen-ager. She got a LIFE sentence because it was guilt by association in the three strikes era. This woman's MOTHER was in prison for some other crime. THe two of them were in the same prison for years. By the time she finally got out, 16 years into her life sentence, her daughter was grown and having a baby. Her mother had died in jail. These kinds of sentences ruin not one but entire families lives. Crack addicted people being sentenced to prison instead of to drug treatment and rehabilitation halfway houses. And such institutions cost a fortune to maintain. It's far better to NOT house people in prison, but to sentence them to community service for minor drug offenses and addiction issues; keep them wage earning for their families, and keep them monitored and in their communities.

[__inkRat]

If black people parents are shit, then they are responsible for it. Dont blame others for your own problems. Having shit parents have nothing to do with system.

[1truekhaleesi]

MLK jr was murdered for what he stood for. Don't use him as an example when it was a white woman who killed him. MLK jr was also more radicalized than people care to admit. A riot is the language of the unheard. MLK jr.

[jasco]

Uh @1truekhaleesi it was a white man who shot him

[1truekhaleesi]

That was a typo. Is that supposed to make this better?

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi Nope, just been judge quite a bit, and i got a little mad over it. Sorry however to further explain my point about when i said MLK was a dream compared to the nightmare that we face now is simply this, If a man can lead a army with only words and accomplish so much in is short period of time on this earth, then why can't the people who are for BLM not do the same thing?

[Screenwriter]

It's a different time and BLM is lead by a person with a different agenda. It's unfortunate we don't have a new version of King, but people like him are quite rare. We have to make do with what we've got and put OUR spin on it. I don't agree with BLM's whole agenda. I work with what works for me and do what i can on my own. NOt much of a group protester. More of a grassroots worker.

[1truekhaleesi]

Obviously all lives matter. But if you only say all lives matter as a response to black lives matter, you are just downplaying the struggles black people go through. Also, if you say blue lives matter, clearly you understand that one specific group of people are struggling. It's the word, "black" that offends you

[1truekhaleesi]

The black panthers started the school lunch program and did a lot for their community. The BLM chapter I'm in donates school supplies, food, winter clothes, etc for the needy.

[jasco]

Ok well one the word black doesn't offend me, I said black, blue, white lives matter because a lot of people used those same terms when discussing it, as for my personal opinion I don't care.

[1truekhaleesi]

But you should. George Floyd was publicly killed while screaming for his mother.

My grandfather died of colon cancer. Do you imagine what I would if someone said all cancers matter?

[missy52]

@1truekhalessi he hates himself and women. There's no point of arguing with him.

[1truekhaleesi]

@missy52 internalized racism is a sad thing.

@jasco you are the product of your ancestors wildest dreams. After the death of George Floyd and Elijah McClain I am sad that you won't acknowledge the obvious. George and Elijah died begging for their lives.

[missy52]

It is but I've learned not to talk to people like that. They just drain my energy. It's so much sadder because he's grown to hate his own race. You can tell that he also hates himself. It's disappointing. If he ever gets over his own self-disdain, then I'll have a legitimate conversation with him. He's not in a position to listen to both sides and conclude with that information. He just wants his validated. People like that aren't worth legitimately conversing with @1truekhaleesi

[1truekhaleesi]

@missy52 True. I told him about the Black Panthers supporting their community and he didn't even acknowledge it.

[jasco]

@missy52 Well honestly someone whose really quick to judge are usually the one's who think they know everything, most of the time they don't. Sorry that you think i hate black people and sorry that you think i hate myself for whatever reason

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi i am sorry for not acknowledging what you said about the black panther movie giving out things to others.

[1truekhaleesi]

Thank you. I appreciate the apology. @jasco there's a lot of horrifying sad for black people. It's sad but it's important to be informed that this is still going on.

Let's start with George Stinney jr. Youngest person to be executed in the US. He was 14 years old and was innocent. The all white jury took ten minutes to decide his fate.

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi when was this case, somewhere in the 1900s or close to it i imagine, not near the 2010 or higher for sure was it? As for a all white jury will yea i imagine it would go that way sense a lot of people are indeed racist, i agree with that.

[1truekhaleesi]

1944. That was 76 years ago. I would imagine that jury is still alive. I have a grandpa born in 1936 that is still alive. It's not just our ancestors that experienced horrible racism. It's more recent like our grandparents.

[jasco]

Well if they are still alive, i would hope that case would be search. I agree that was wrong and anyone who was falsely accuse should be conpensated because that can cause a lot of damage to someone mentally and physically

[missy52]

@jasco I wasn't quick to judge. I read the entirety of what you wrote in accordance to your question. I read a number of your responses. I went to your profile and read some of your other questions then I concluded. Trust me when I say that I didn't make a baseless assumption. A lot of your views are that people should just be and act as one instantaneously and get over their grievances without much care for the process that it would take to achieve those. They're idealic and unrealistic. If you were to say that we should work to a point where black people don't need to say Black Lives Matter or women don't feel the need to be feminists because society treated them fairly and didn't intentionally set out to harm them then I would agree with you. But to just say that All Lives Matter and dismiss the grievances of those people today and to believe that there's no purpose for women to come together and support each other (A. K. A feminism) in today's world, that's some bullshit, I'm-a-wannabe philospher-with-my-head-on-another-plane-ignoring-my-body's-decay nonsense.

[1truekhaleesi]

He only recently was found to be posthumously innocent. He's still dead. The US killed a 14 year old black kid. It shouldn't have happened to begin with. That would never happen to a white kid.

[missy52]

So, no sir. I do not want to talk to you. And feeding your mind while not feeding your body is self-hatred.

[jasco]

@missy52 Alrighty then, yea i guess i didn't put this in such good words that you understand. When i say all lives matter, i don't want people to become some kind of fucking robot, i just want everyone to be at peace and to finally be able to come to terms that we aren't perfect. We all make mistakes and those mistakes should be punish depending on how big they are but they should also be forgiven because being bitter about it won't help. If you do not wish to talk to me, then by all means that is your choice and well frankly i could careless honestly because your opinion about me isn't what i came here for, i just came here to figure out rather what i believe in was wrong or right

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi I agree that would never happen to a white kid, i feel like that we do need to change but there has to be a better way to do it then with blood shed right?

[1truekhaleesi]

Of course we all want people to just get along. We need to start doing that by acknowledging that black people have specific struggles that white people will never understand. I'll be happy to explain everything like the defund the police to you. Racism is still extremely common.

For example Ruby Bridges is only 66 years old. She was the first African-American child to desegregate the all-white William Frantz Elementary School in Louisiana during the New Orleans school desegregation crisis on November 14, 1960.

[1truekhaleesi]

@jasco A riot is the language of the unheard. MLK jr. Most BLM protests were peaceful. John Lewis said that with protests, in order to get real change you have to be willing to die.

I highly recommend Trial of the chicago 7. It's on netflix.

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi please do explain that defund the police thing, cause i do agree with it to a extent. i feel like we should put more funding areas that would help black people and make the cops job easier, i feel like we should put more funding in communcations so that cops would have known that Breanna Taylor was in that house and not someone who they were looking for which was already in custody

[1truekhaleesi]

You already have the right idea. Defund the police just means taking some of the police budget and giving it to other programs that would prevent crime from even happening. Things like education, mental health counseling, substance abuse help, job and skills training, etc. Here's a good picture

www.google.com/url

[1truekhaleesi]

@jasco you should come to a protest with BLM. We're not that scary. We just want to lift black people up, make police get in trouble for crimes they do, and give more money to social programs. Even if you're late, we'll be glad to have you there.

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi ok then what, what about all of the people that are in prison? what do u say to that?

[1truekhaleesi]

Oh boy you started me on private prisons. Most people in prison are there for non violent reasons. Most are there for drug charges where no one was harmed. The United States has the largest private prison population. Private prisons are ran by corporations and they make money off of putting people in prison. Owners of private property do not need licenses from state correctional agencies to build and operate imprisonment facilities and, until recently, most state legislatures have not established regulatory systems to govern private prison operations.

This is a great informative video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQa_0gM6hg

[1truekhaleesi]

The video doesn't mention the slave labour in prison. Forgot to mention the War on Drug is Nixon's way of suppressing black and latino communities and the hippies movement, by deliberately dealing heavy sentence and propaganda brain-wash video towards the public. If you are white, rich, and do cocaine - just pay a bail.

[missy52]

The majority of people in jail are white. But the rate that they intake black people and the charges that they give are often bogus. There's essentially a black tax on everything. They add higher sentences for black people, send them to jail for petty crimes that most white people would get away with with a monetary fine, they take black people in with more force, they exaggerate the conditions that it takes to be a criminal because they fear black people. Education needs to be done on both parts

[1truekhaleesi]

@missy52 I work in a hospital as a tech. I'm planning to go to a prison and give medical care. The pay is way better and I know people who work there who say that the prison is extremely safe.

[ShootShootBangBang]

No it’s because we are all in this together. It isn’t about color- it’s about the haves and the have nots. I grew up in a town where there were lots of poor white kids. Cops would kick the crap out them all the time.

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang and you were okay with cops beating up white kids? I'm not even about to explain privilege to you.

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi i have sworn never to get involve with protest, even if ya say you aren't scary i just rather not be in large crowds they do scare me. 2nd rioting is bad for business, i can see if it were just against cops but business are also being affected by them. Sorry i was AFK

[ShootShootBangBang]

No I hated seeing anyone beaten. Cops have guns and prison cells at their disposal. I don’t. Maybe don’t assume so much. 🙄

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang whatever. You've had plenty of opportunity to learn what privilege means.

[1truekhaleesi]

Like I said, most protests were peaceful. We'll just make change without you and you can reap the benefits.

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi what do you think of white privilege

[ShootShootBangBang]

My brother was beaten. I resent the fact that you assume. All high a fuckin mighty are you?

[jasco]

@1truekhaleesi its not that i don't wanna help you guys, its simply i just think there has to be a better way to do all of this

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang and I have two cousins who were murdered. They weren't murdered because of their skin color.

[ShootShootBangBang]

Yeah so is it a fucking competition? If you’ve suffered as much as you say, you’d say I’m sorry to hear just like I’d say to you. Stop bragging and thinking nobody has it worse then you. In fact,
I’d say you’re the one who is trying to lessen the suffering of others. It isn’t about skin color which I have already said. It’s about the hives and the have nots.

[1truekhaleesi]

Privilege doesn't say anything about someone's life being easier. People just assumed that and refused to learn the actual definition. I have two cousins who were murdered but they weren't murdered because of their skin color. Ahmaud Arbery was hunted and killed like an animal because of his skin color. My life isn't made harder specifically because of my skin color. Sure, I have my own problems but my skin color doesn't contribute to it. My brother was adopted from Africa. Our parents are white. As kids, I remember that we were going to spend the day at the local pool. The woman at the front desk accused my brother who was only 10, of trying to get in for free with our white mother. She didn't tell me that. Even though my mom and I didn't look alike at the time.

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang you are the one making it into a competition. By saying that we're all in this together, dismisses the fact that POC have their own set of unique problems because of their skin color. Ahmaud Arbery for example.

[1truekhaleesi]

@jasco I wish there was a better way too. Like I said, most protests were peaceful. For some people, violence is the only language they listen to. You can donate money to NAACP or the BLM bail fund.

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang I really am sorry about your cousin and hope he feels better. Ahmaud Arbery was hunted and killed like an animal because of his skin color.

[1truekhaleesi]

@jasco lots of BLM chapters volunteer to help their communities just like the Black Panthers did. There's lots of ways to help.

[Petra150]

Well all race struggle not alt all just black

[1truekhaleesi]

@Petra150 do you know anyone hunted and killed like an animal? Ahmaud Arbery was. Do you know anyone strangled in public and it was on video? George Floyd was. Were you ever followed through a dollar store and accused of stealing? My African American was with me standing next to him.

[ShootShootBangBang]

My brother you mean? How about all the poor women the police rape? I’m tired of the hate and division.

[1truekhaleesi]

@ShootShootBangBang this might come as a shock but I have a brother who was adopted from Africa. He's African American. Lots of people have brothers not just you. Shocking I know.

[Sessy]

I agree that all lives matter: black, brown, white, and Asian. Also, I don't think anyone should lose their life because of police brutality. Sadly, minorities are more likely to be shot and incarcerated. The police need better training and excessive force should not be tolerated. There are other countries that don't use excessive force and have banned guns. We need to do better!

[Grubhub]

Yeah minorities are likely to be shot and yet white people are feeling unsafe around us when we get terrorized more often than not. White people don’t have to go through discrimination. A woman when she’s alone. She probably feel safe around a white man

[jasco]

Name those countries that dont have guns

[missy52]

Australia has EXTREMELY strict laws on guns. You can't get one just for protection.

[jasco]

Australia I do believe is majority of white people

[jasco]

So in short only time that happens is when white people are the majority and black people aren't nearly as prevalent as we are in america

[Grubhub]

I don’t wanna live anywhere where white people are the majority. I’m trying to move away from NC lol

[jasco]

Ok I hope you get your wish, as for me, I dont want to live near human beings at all.

[Grubhub]

What’s your height and weight?

[missy52]

You've got some strong hatred for black people. All people it would seem, including yourself. Your colonizers did well.

[missy52]

For everyone, that last comment of mine was for @jasco

[Grubhub]

If he moved to a predominantly white town and went out for once he’d quickly change his mind and understand white supremacy

[missy52]

@Grubhub What are you talking about? He loves white supremacy. He's a part of Trump's fan club and he writes daily to the Proud Boys in hopes that they'll make him an honorary member.

[Grubhub]

That’s why I said. You just didn’t understand my concept

[missy52]

Sure but he doesn't need to 'understand' something that he already admires. He just has to like it and believe that it's right. Anyways, I'm not here to argue with people over this topic or to further validate the asker. Have a great night @Grubhub

[Grubhub]

Wtf nobodies arguing you just need therapy

[Sessy]

@Grubhub They don't have to go through discrimination because it was created to keep minorities down and that needs to change too. Discrimination is a social construct meaning we are made to believe we are less than, check out brown eyes and blues eyes experiment on youtube till the end.

[Sessy]

@Grubhub This experiment was done after the passing of MLK to help explain discrimination

[jasco]

@missy52 as i said in a earlier comment, i don't hate anyone nor myself. I don't dont admire trump, nor do i admired anyone who is willing to hurt others just because of who they are. However all cases should be look at from one point to another. Everything should be examine when dealing with murder, when dealing with anything that has to do with the courts. I believe that all lives matter not because i don't believe that black people don't matter but because i know that we as a nation are hurting. Right now the last thing we need is division, with the pandemic going on, all the tension between everyone. Donald trump in general. White people on one side and black people on the other once again. This tho both sides are armed, ready for someone to start shooting, ready to spill another's blood for the lost of there own on both sides. Do i agree with what those officers did? no not in the slightest. I agree they should be punish, however we need to face the problem as a whole, not as individuals but as one. We are all human beings, we all suffer some more then others. We all wish to get to the end of the rainbow where that pot of gold is at. Why can't we all go together as one nation or does it not say United States of America. Black people and white people along with all the other people are facing something that is dangerous and that danger is being divided. Do you think we could have won WW2 if we didn't come together, Do you think any foot ball team can win if it's players, coaches, and supporters are there? Do you think losing a love one would be any easier if family, friends, and others weren't there? No it wouldn't be possible because we weren't meant to be alone. We were meant to stay together and fight together.

[jasco]

@Grubhub Why do you need to know my height and weight?

[missy52]

And as I said in an earlier comment, I didn't come on here to argue or to converse with you. It wouldn't be conducive to any good. Your idealistic view of the world and what unity is is so heartwarming that I might freeze.

[Sessy]

@jasco Taiwan has banned guns and don't use excessive force

[jasco]

@sessy so what your saying is if we ban guns, most violent crimes that have to do with cops anyway would go down?

[jasco]

@missy52 then why are you still here?

[Grubhub]

Jacso enough. If we had less white cops the problem would be fixed

[jasco]

@Grubhub Really, so if less white cops came and were filled with black people it would be better is what your saying. I mean hey if thats your opinion then that's fine but i feel like there are a lot of good white people on the force too. Of course there's bad apples in the police department and we need to find and arrest them

[Grubhub]

Doesn’t have to be black cops you idiot just less white cops. The world would be more peaceful and happier if it were more cultured. In particular obviously the police force and not white people being in power

[jasco]

@Grubhub so in order to make it more cultured, you have to add it. which means in most cases adding more black people would indeed add more culture unless you have another way of adding it

[Grubhub]

Dude you’re an idiot. Why does it always have to be black people? Looks like you’re the racist one. This shouldn’t be a black and white world. It should be a world with all kinds of people. I’m done talking to you you’re so stupid

[Sessy]

@jasco I'm sorry there are restrictions on guns in Taiwan. I think crime can go down with restrictions on guns, but most of the police brutally and deadly force will not go down. In order to end deadly force by police, there needs to be change within the police department in how they do things like their protocols. They can't be using excessive force for petty crimes.

[jasco]

@sessy i agree with your opinion

[missy52]

@jasco because I was responding to your message. And I sadly get notifications each time you reply to posts I've also spoken on. But also, I'm genuinely curious about the responses. You're less pig-headed than I thought you would be and that is something I can respect. I still disagree with you because you're quite naive but you're only 18 and you're still learning. Tbh, I think going to an HBCU would do you some good. They have conversations like and about this very often. Anyways, I'm gone legit now. I'm gonna go look for a way to stop getting notifications about this question.

[__inkRat]

@Grubhub ain't you racist here saging white people are not discrimittated against.

[Grubhub]

Inkrat! How many times have you been discriminated by Indians, Middle East, Hispanic, or Asians? If zero then you benefit from white privledge.

[Anonymous]

Honestly my opinion. 100% all lives matter right but majority of BLM are white people in protests doing the rioting or coming along for the looting. I feel bad honestly cuz I know that wasn’t the goal. Then tik tokers white girls making cringy tik toks on blm like a bit try hard at that point. I wish blm would’ve worked but is now seems violent. I think if they put all lives matter no one can argue with that and I see Hispanics too saying their lives matter and start a argue so in this case and generation i think All lives matter would work best.

[Opinion Owner]

I see a lot of indigenous lives matter , Hispanics , blacks , Asians so yk i respect blm but ofc social media and people turn it to a different direction.

[SageWisdomMan]

White liberal women ruin everything. I say this as a native liberal white man from Seattle. I am blue through and through, but let some white women get involved in a cause and it will become all about the white women.

[Opinion Owner]

Exactly lol I honestly hated Biden fans a bit more too cuz trump fans r Karen’s yeah but u can ignore them and u don’t see them rioting or crying I’m blue too but it’s like I hear their voice more then anyone.

[SageWisdomMan]

Its why I married a hot Latina :P

[Opinion Owner]

Politics shouldn’t cause violence arguments are okay but shouldn’t get handsy. A trump fan was at a BLM n got pushed n he was a old man so that’s rlly not okay and when he shoved the woman back they all swung at him just I don’t know what people r trying to do now days and when u have ur opinion it’s so judgmental yk?

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao ayy as mix person as well white , Asian , Puerto Rican it’s like my race shouldn’t even matter or be put in politics so people nowadays r loca😂

[SageWisdomMan]

Modern liberals make everything about race, and the non-whites know how to exploit that. Facts.

[dwiller943]

Because most people who say "all lives matter",
tend to exclude black people, women, and poor people.
And so when we say "black lives matter",
we're not saying "only black lives matter".
We're saying "black lives matter as well".

Now don't get me wrong, there are some people
(and they're usually black people),
that will say "black lives matter"
and will still treat any other race
like they're nothing or that they don't matter.

But the original intention of "black lives matter"
isn't to make it all about us. It's to remind you
that when you say "all lives matter",
you need to include every race.
And that INCLUDES black people.

[Ash525]

Exactly

[sadMeester]

Sorry, but of all the extremely racist people I know none of them have ever said "all lives matter".

Usually "human lives matter", but they don't consider other races human. Also, Asians get ignored in every conversation about discrimination, why are Black people special? Because so many have forsaken honesty and work, choosing instead to adopt the shitty culture of the terrible men that used to own them?

Look at the whitest meth towns then take a glance at the ghettos. The issue with the phrase is that it represents an organization. The issue with the organization is that represents a racist, Marxist movement.

[Petra150]

Now fortunately BLM isn't that big a problem in Denmark... YET most laugh of it and are Abel to look past the great hypocrisy the money generation dictorial organisation BLM is , knowing it's just as dangerous as Hells Angels and KKK. But ofcauce the organisation don't value all life's matters, as those rabiate leaders of the money organisation BLM ( who ought to be viewed on as KKK) would lose focus , and remember they don't give a shit about any life at all , not even them criminal black guys who were killed while being arrested by the hard working US police force in there attemp to fight the rapid growth of crime in US.

[testersite00]

"all lives matter" was made specifically to combat black lives matter. it is inherently racist. "all lives matter" people think that black lives matter is anti white. and it is NOT! or they say "well when did black lives not matter, they've always mattered to me". black lives matter is NOT against the public! it is against the establishment! black people are murdered everyday for just being black. Casey Goodson Jr. was murdered in his house because cops say they mistook his subway sandwich for a gun. this was on December 7th. if you don't agree with me that's fine. but please do not argue, if you would like to share your opinion please do so in a respectful, mature manner.

[Silver158]

it's really not. if you think about it it's actually very inclusive.

[testersite00]

@Silver158 i get what you're saying, the name does have "all" in the name but i think its important to look at the reason as to why it was created. specifically to combat black lives matter

[Silver158]

Yeah but black lives matter is a racist organisation in itself. The founder tweeted that she wanted to kill white folks a few years back.

[testersite00]

@Silver158 i believe black lives matter is anti racist at its core, and i don't think there is one specific founder of black lives matter, it was a collative movement. i didn't hear about the woman you are talking about, but i don't think that was okay

[Silver158]

toronto.citynews.ca/.../

It was the cofounder. An organisation can't be anti racist while being racist. All I'm saying.

[jasco]

Well yea I agree with black lives being important yes I do, however from what i can see i view like saying all lives matter is not just about the benefit of one race but the country as a whole in my opinion

[testersite00]

@Silver158 the article only stated that in the title, in the actual article "Khogali is a community organizer, activist and spoken word poet", not a founder

[Silver158]

@testersite00 Didn't you see the screencap tho?

[testersite00]

i personally haven't seen all lives matter try and better the country or bring up any other race besides white

[Silver158]

@jasco Exactly

[Silver158]

The same could be said for blm

[ninaneedshelp]

I don’t agree with blm because it promotes violence. Almost like if you don’t agree with me you’re my enemy. America is supposed to be the land of the free, and making white people who never owned slaves take abuse from black people who were never slaves is beyond wrong! Yes slavery was horrible. I’m not overlooking that fact, but two wrongs have never made anything right! Blm is an attack on the people to keep them divided and make them hate each other. It was also an attack on the election and it’s honestly wrong.

[Youryeodongsaeng]

I agree that we should all stick together; no matter the race or sexuality. But I disagree with saying all lives matter.
There was a CCTV footage of 15yo girl getting jumped by several teenage boys. They aee black. They stole her credit card and Jordans. The guy who stole her Jordans, his face was fully clear in another footage after taking the girl's Jordans.
There was also another girl (or the same girl. The events both happened in NYC.) She got jumped by a smaller group of young black teen males. They knocked her out and stole her phone battery.


I saw comments about other blacks not believing in BLM and I couldn't agree with them more. Our race are killing and beating each other, so why should I support BLM? I do believe other lives matter, but I just can't support BLM and I'm black.

[kikino]

@jasco 100% agree with everything you said.
Start where the people (any person) lives and show kindness and positive nurturing and that goes a long ways.
Yes we all bleed red so we're human.
Being raised in a home, community can skew your upbringing but its what you and hiw you and your surrounding peers and influences shape you. Try to be positive and help out others, not because you need to check off your 'daily good deed' but because that's what you would expect from someone else.

Actions speak louder than words.

Keep you the work and have a good day man.

[MCheetah]

BLM has NEVER been about "helping black people" just like feminism has literally never been about "helping women." You see, these are called cults and they don't just have to be run by pseudo-religious weirdos wearing robes. Any time a "movement" pops up to "help an impoverished group of people," you can guarantee any good intentions it had, if it ever had any at all, will quickly erode away into selfishness and capitalist greed. One could even argue Christianity has mostly existed as this, as well. If you really want to help humanity or a group of people, you don't need a group to tell you what to do, how to do it, and where to do it.

[Don-__-Don]

To me nothing is wrong with it.

But I'm inclined to believe people don't like it for this reason:

A: when you say "all lives matter" as a response to "black lives matter", it can be interpreted as you downplaying the entire blm movement. Which thus can be seen as disrepectful.

You know how people say "All lives can't matter until black lives matter".

That stuff.

[jasco]

Well that's kinda bs ain't it sense black people are human as well so I don't understand what's wrong

[jestergent]

BLM amplified racism in America to date, to these conversations. People aren't open minded to hostility. Take down statues and thats a good way to lose support from Americans. We can't visit those places now like they used to be,..

[jasco]

Well it is what it is

[Don-__-Don]

@jasco you could say it's bs, I can see how people think it is.
I just think if people were less emotional and more rational then we can actually change things for the better.

[jestergent]

I was taking deep thought into it. Here's what I came up with,
Politics in America are very emotional on both sides due to opportunity for change. Extreme Change= Extreme Divide. That isn't to suggest we need have no change, I think its the cause. Its nice to have quality of life improvement changes. What you think? Is the cause of emotional politics due to opportunity for change? Potential to.. radically change the benefits for one side or the other? Something like that.

[jestergent]

I liked the update. Totally agree. It should be helping the black community. I go as far to say rental assistance and things. What happens is you end up born in a poor neighborhood then those influences or anything make it hard to make it. Lower income etc. To start. The racism push is detracting. Its like a ward from wanting to help the community. Someone like you is someone I'd want to help by the automation of taxes taken out of paycheck supporting the community. Call it socialist or whatever. I mean the money strictly supplied towards leveling out equal opportunity for all, not the definition and push being made how "equal opportunity " today is being executed.

[chris0977]

Blacks believe they're oppressed, but this is a matter of being a minority, and hypocrisy, unless it can be proved blacks are inherently more empathetic and, given the opportunity to reverse roles, and be dominant, would not have oppressed whites, because, in reality, the issue is an issue of human nature, not race, one race just happens to end up the oppressed minority, but is no less guilty, because, were they the majority, would have done exactly the same as those they're attacking, because, again, this is a human nature issue, as one race would not inherently have behaved differently were circumstances reversed.

[The_Inquisitor]

Black people are Oppressed by themselves. Not by whites, Asians, hispanics or the government. The black community has vile disdain for each other, and any of them who try to escape the hate.

[Bratsondanielle]

Lives matter. If you have to add a color to the sentence, you're a racist

[Unit1]

I like that one!

[Bratsondanielle]

@Unit1 but it's true thou

[Unit1]

Yes, absolutely correct :)

[Tonytoutouni123]

@Bratsondanielle
I love you ❤️

[Bratsondanielle]

@Tonytoutouni123 lol thanks but take care my boyfriend has an aim like a sniper lol

[Tonytoutouni123]

@Bratsondanielle
Well, as long as you don't tell him about the affaire that we have, I am sure he won't find out 🤐🤫😉

[Grubhub]

And it’s not racist when white people look at black men in stores and look at em like they’re criminals

[Grubhub]

That’s one of the reasons why white privledge and bigotry is a thing because white people throw reserve racism at people of color but have nothing to say when we throw it back

[Bratsondanielle]

@Grubhub I never judge by color

[Grubhub]

Yes you do, you’re white. All white people judge

[Bratsondanielle]

@Grubhub you little racist lol I hope you're joking right?

[jasco]

@Grubhub Bud everyone on this planet judge's others, its what we call natural selection. We do it when dating, when buying something, when looking at something pretty or not

[Grubhub]

Shut up fool lol

[Bratsondanielle]

@jasco that's true yes BUT NOT BY THE PIGMENTATION OF THE SKIN. We judge and select but I highly doubt most people do it by skin pigmentation that's like saying I don't want the car cuz its red it's stupid

[jasco]

@Bratsondanielle yes i agree with that

[Bratsondanielle]

@jasco thank you:-)

[Phoenix98]

There isn't anything wrong with saying that and I fact agree with you all lives do matter white, blue, black, etc it doesn't matter they all matter.

You have the right frame of mind and a healthy thought process on the matter. And your also right regarding helping black people, if you wanna help black folks you got to change their communities for the better especially the inner cities. Because that's where all the problems come from the drugs, violence, crime, broken families, sons with no fathers.

You gotta change the place it all comes from otherwise nothing will ever change.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

I think both terms have been politicised and deconstructed and bastardised to the point that they might as well be meaningless. All lives matter. Black lives matter. White lives matter. These are generic statements that don't functionally say anything new or original or meaningful. Rather, their meaning seems dependent on all the surrounding socio-political context. It's a short hand so people don't have to think critically every time they bring up race relations, they instead can just insert a generic catchphrase that sums up the critical thinking (or lack thereof) that someone else already did. I don't think either statements are invalid, I just think they lack creativity. It's like people don't even wanna have actual critical discussions any more, they just black out their profile picture on Facebook, recite a few slogans, and BAM-- they've now earned status of being a "good ally". All without a lick of critical, original thought.

[Catlover1999]

BLM have done fuck all to improve the lives of black people. They receive millions of dollars from philanthropists, big tech CEOS, etc. and what do they do they loot from black businesses (as well as white, Asian, etc.) and set them on fire whilst chanting “shoot the white folk” and advocating for destructive and extreme things like wealth redistribution and defunding the police. It’s a political organisation who (secretly) love it when the police kill black people because it gives them an excuse to topple statues, set cities ablaze and push a destructive agenda.

[Cupcakes_No_Flakes]

Thank you for not being afraid to speak your mind on the truth.

[Catlover1999]

Umm thanks but we really shouldn’t be at the point where you’ll be thanked for speaking your mind.

[faithie_Artist]

Unfortunately that’s the case nowadays.

[Cupcakes_No_Flakes]

Yes that is true. I am scared to tell people I believe all lives are equal.

[Grubhub]

There were a lot of white peoples looting but yet the media and white america doesn’t care about that

[Catlover1999]

I never said it was just black people looting. I said it was BLM which has white supporters.

[Cupcakes_No_Flakes]

It's like 50% of white people, 90% black people and 60% Hispanics.

[kingofthellamas]

Speaking from a UK view point, I think we have a lot of people from different cultures and back grounds. Some have down really well I the UK such as Nigerians and Gujaratis. But other have not.
Forgive my lazy thinking here, but I think it's very easy to look at problems in smaller communities and blame the wider community. It's harder to look inside your own culture and ask 'is it us?'
The point I'm trying to make is, I think it is actually hard to say Britain today is racist when there is plenty of success here.
And yes, I'm aware that might not have been true of every institution for all time, but on balance there are much worse places to be in a minority group. It's a sad fact that if you are different from those around you you will attract positive and negative attention

[RolandCuthbert]

This comes from the guy who has it out for "Black" folks. Man, shove that race neutral garbage. What is up with you? Do you hate your family? Or something? I mean, they seem kind of out there. Do you think all "Black" folks are like your relatives?

I see your sister loves you. But. . . well. . . I don't want to talk about folks' family like that. I can see how things can be difficult if you have family members who are kind of lost or messed up.

I think you could be the kind of brother that comes from a broken fam. . . and sees that brokeness in a cultural context.

Maybe that isn't true? Maybe other "Black" folks don't have those kinds of issues.

[jasco]

What are you talking about

[RolandCuthbert]

I am talking about you. And your fam. I am friends with Lewis Carter. So do you know a lot of folks who have been shot and killed? I mean. . . aren't these your people?

www.facebook.com/.../

[RolandCuthbert]

www.facebook.com/.../

[RolandCuthbert]

Dag, I can't post a facebook video. But anyway, I am just looking y'all facebook stuff.

Man. . . this is rough.

But you made your stuff private.

Weird.

[jasco]

I don't know who tf these people are. Never been there nor have i been on facebook in over 3 months

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, I am looking at your profile. And that guy is one of your friends. Is Imari your sister? She seems to be the only person you care about. If you would rather talk on facebook, that's fine with me. You seem kind of troubled. It has to be tough being who you are. . . and being young/"Black".

It is weird how "Blacks" get smacked with that "liberal" label. We are extremely conservative in a lot of ways. I counseled a young brother who was like you.

[jasco]

Um sorry dude but one I don't know you, two I don't know how you found me but your kind creepin budd, and 3rd have a good day mate

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course you don't know me. I just feel sorry for you. You seem like the kind of "cat" who gets made fun of at school. But then blames "Black" culture and not the folks who made fun of you. I am going to ask around about you.

You don't mind do you?

:D

[jasco]

Dude, I dint blame black culture for bullying, I blame black culture for being stupid enough to believe they dont have a better chance of getting out of poverty if they wanted to, I blame black culture for not trying to help it's own people first before fixing other problems, I blame black culture for not trying to fix up its own neighborhoods and the only time they ever did get actually fix is when either A when someone else moves in, or B the county local governor does it. Why do black people not try to help the water boys get a better job so they can have a life? Why doesn't black culture try to correct people who are whores and are leaving there children to suffer? Of course black culture from my point of view doesn't discourage it or encourage it, it just let's it happen.

[jasco]

As for bullying goes, everyone gets bullied and I dont blame culture for that, I blame the people who were doing it to me

[jasco]

And yes I do mind, I dont know you or anyone that you know

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, you are in poverty, right? I mean looking at your facebook page, your family and friends, you guys are right smack dab in the middle of being poor. Now, you can become a grifter. There are plenty of racists who will pay you to say ignorant things about "Black" culture or the "Black" race. But it isn't like you are educated enough to know the difference, right?

:D

So you blame "Black" culture? Do you blame yourself? Do you blame your sister? I mean, she seems to be the only one you care about. She tells you she loves you on facebook. Do you blame your father, your mother? Can we bring them into this conversation?

Hmmm. . . here is an interesting question. Do they blame themselves?

Wow. . . how did I know you were being bullied?

Because I know little "Black" boys just like you. In fact, I mentored one who is just a little older than you. He is on his way to becoming an accountant.

Who is to blame for his success? His mother? Me? His grandmother? His church? Who helped him, who checked his homework? Who took him to the movies, to the theater. ?

Who kept his secrets about his sexuality?

Nah. . . it couldn't have been "Black" people could it? It wasn't us? It wasn't our "culture". You are so young and so confused.

May God help you figure this out.

[jasco]

No my family isn't poor 2nd i do know someone name Imari she was my ex and she has been block for years, 3rd i blame black culture for not helping fathers stay with there kids. 4th Black culture, the majority of it anyway is responisible for a lot of things, some good some bad. Depending on where your from yea i agree black people can be helpful but i am not talking about the areas where there are good people, i meant the hood areas.

[RolandCuthbert]

Son, you can't fool me. I am looking at all your friends facebook. The video comes from one of Imari's friends. This person is in Chicago. Imari no relation to you? Dude, you have the same last name.

I don't care about what you mean. Because you have never been specific about your criticism of "Black" culture.

So again. . .

[jasco]

Dude we aren't family, yea she has my last name but you be surprise on my many people have my last name, 2nd i put my friends list on private so your lying bud, 3rd i don't know anyone from Chicago and the girl that i was dating was from FL

[RolandCuthbert]

IS IMARI GUILTY OF BEING IN THIS CULTURE YOU SPEAK OF?

ARE YOU? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN POST USING CORRECT GRAMMAR. ISN'T THAT YOUR FAULT? DO YOU TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT EVEN KNOWING THE English LANGUAGE WELL ENOUGH TO USE PROPER PUNCTUATION?

Do you think my clients would use my services if I sent an email with gigantic run on sentences that are at least a 100 words long? And the way you post here is no anomaly. This is how you type normally.

[jasco]

you wanna know why i blame black culture its because a lot of black people aren't willing to be helpful till someone gets hurt, they haven't done anything like this in a while and yes i know BLM was here before but it wasn't as large, why won't they do something about the crime but no they won't talk about that, you never hear anyone talk about the crime, Black culture doesn't discourage crime and that is what culture is suppose to do. Encourage good morals, encourage education and bettering of the community but they don't do that. Not all black people are the same i know that, however i also know that a majority of us do think alike i certain areas

[RolandCuthbert]

Right. Hey, your expression of love for each other is completely coincidental.

:D

So let's pretend she is not related to you.

IS SHE APART OF THE BAD "BLACK" CULTURE YOU SEE?

[jasco]

You and anyone else can criticize my grammar all day long and do you really think i will care? Nope. 2nd i don't know imari anymore so do i care what tf she is doing no not at all. Is she at fault for whatever going on I don't know, she might be a small piece of the problem

[RolandCuthbert]

SO DOES IMARI ENCOURAGE CRIME? DO YOU?

YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

DO YOUR PARENTS ENCOURAGE CRIME? DO MINE? MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS. . . DO THEY?

The answer is so obvious, you can't see it. But again, it isn't like you are getting much of an education on things like what race actually is. . . or what culture means.

[jasco]

Time and time again i have said that not everyone thinks the fucking same, i can't say anything about you or your family, i can say that my family does not. However i can't say for every other black person out there. i can't speak for them however i can go off about what i see and hear and from my moral point of view i see black people encouraging or at the least not discouraging crime. Did i say i blame you no, i said black people in general.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yes, I will criticize your grammar. Because you are exactly what you claim to hate. Here you are talking about "Black" people not getting an education. Yet you are so ignorant you would post nonsensical rants without proper grammar and/or punctuation. What are you? 16 years old? We are supposed to trust your analysis of things you don't even understand?

Do you even know what culture is. . or how it is defined? Where did your father grow up? Where did his father grow up?

Do you realize I was one of the first "Black" people to go to college in my family? My mother didn't even attend integrated schools. She grew up without a proper education. But I bet at her age, she spoke/wrote English ten times better than you.

There was no internet when she grew up son. That was absolute tenacity that enabled her success.

And that was "Black" culture.

Just because you are around a bunch of ignorant folks don't assume we all are.

[RolandCuthbert]

@jasco Then speak about the ignorance in your own family. Stop insulting other families just because they share your skin color. I can't fix the issues in your family. Though I would if I could. If I knew you, I would try to mentor you. But I don't. And if anything, the society we live in actually encourages us to not help each other.

That's something you should think about. Rather than repeating the same old company line that "Black" culture has failed.

Like for instance, here you are talking about BLM, when that is not your issue.

Your issue is what you are experiencing every single day.

1. Bullying
2. No one understanding you
3. No one counseling you
4. No one empathizing with you
5. No one teaching you.

Why you think that is solved by taking a crap on "Black" culture, I am sure I will never know. But I do know this, you can get help. You can go to a thousand places on the net where folks will show you compassion. There are hundreds of organizations you can join. . . where young "Black" boys like you can be understood.

[jasco]

Ok first off like you my father was also the first out of his family to go to college, Yes i am the figment of what i hate, i am sorry that learning for me has been hard every sense i was little, i have a learning disability unlike a lot of other black people. 2nd yet you haven't given me anything that would suggest that black people the majority of them anyway not all of them are at fault for a lot of the things that are happening or can you not agree with the fact that any bad behaviors are generated from the home where everything begins. Black culture is responsible for that is it not? As for your mother well glad she can use proper grammar, hope she doing ok, but uh yea your point to that is? Glad she made it i am truly but as you say that was a different age when black culture actually tried to help its people instead on relaying on the government unlike today. I am not ignorant.

[RolandCuthbert]

So is your father, the first of his family to attend college, apart of this culture of failure? Why do you keep avoiding these questions? You claim you have a learning disability. So that is an excuse to use bad grammar and punctuation, while claiming "Black" folks don't like education?

My mother could have used the racist education system she grew up in as an excuse to not speak or write proper English. Yet her handwriting is second to none. Because she was not going to be denied an education, no matter what she had to do.

Again, is that an example of "Black" culture? Did she become successful because she rejected "Black" culture.

What is culture. . . and what does it enable people to do?

Again, you don't have basic knowledge of the issues you speak about. Its like you spent a lot your time watching racist youtube videos and pretending that "race neutrality" is a real thing.

You are the one asserting "Black" people have failed and have justified the murder and brutal treatment of "Black" folks at the hands of police officers. . . simply because other "Black" people give you a hard time.

I wouldn't give you a hard time. . . unless you gave me one. And it looks as though you are willing to criticize "Black" people just for being who they are, which is "Black" people. Again, I don't have to convince you of my experience. "Black" culture is the only reason why I am even alive.

If you survive by adopting some other culture, then do you. Stop pretending that we all have to hate "Black" folks and our own culture to survive and prosper. I am educated because of "Black" culture. I know the Lord because of "Black" culture. I am successful because of "Black" culture. And if I said it was not responsible for who I am, I would be lying.

[Anonymous]

Bro.
Easy example:

A house is burning down. You call the firefighters to come and help you. You go grab a bucket to try and help but when you come back you see they came to your address but started blasting water at a house two blocks down.
When you ask them what they're doing because your house is the one that's on fire and needs help right now they say "well every house matters."

Do you understand the bullshitery in that now?

[Opinion Owner]

You're extremely racist. Please get yourself in check.

Sincerely,
A white girl

[jasco]

Lady, go fuck off somewhere thank you. 2nd your putting a house against a human life, two very different things you idiot. The government is what's dictates the rest if the country not just black people. It affects everyone and sense its America it affects the entire planet so yea I will not stop saying all lives matter because we have to stand together and come back to being a better world

[ShootShootBangBang]

They do that in poor white neighborhoods too.

[jesserutherford]

@jasco BROOO🔊ITS🔊A🔊METAPHOR🔊

[jasco]

Oh really, wow thanks for telling me, but that's metaphor is a terrible example. Human beings are all important and anyone who does something wrong to others should be held accountable regardless of profession, race, or wealth. Why can't we just advocate for that

[joeldalton]

Here’s what’s stupid about your analogy. It ONLY works if ONLY black people are getting killed by police. That’s incorrect at its core.

The correct analogy would be you go into a neighborhood, there’s 4 White Houses on fire, 3 Black Houses on fire, and 1 yelllow house on fire. IF you told me “black houses should have their fires put out”, I’d look at you crazy. All houses are burning.

[ShootShootBangBang]

@joeldalton I’ve seen poor white kids get the crap kicked out of them by the police.

[Opinion Owner]

Hhahahhaha k Jason

[Opinion Owner]

@jesserutherford nah don't his little head can't comprehend that lmao

[Opinion Owner]

@ShootShootBangBang do what?

[Opinion Owner]

K Brian u can go now hahagaha

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton hhHahahha nah man you just don't understand the metaphor.
The fire doesn't represent all of the struggles in your life (we're currently talking about racial issues not gender or religion or class issues). It represents discrimination. The other houses aren't on fire (aren't discriminated against) but the fireman still waters it like that's the house that needs it.
Understand now that I've put it in simpler words?

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton you don't give extra food to a upper middle class family you give it to the kid that's starving.
What YOU'RE saying is we should give that food to the upper middle class family TOO because"everyone gets hungry and needs food".
How about now? Do you understand now?
Or are you just too racist to accept that you're in the wrong here.

[Opinion Owner]

@ShootShootBangBang
I'm really trying not to laugh dude so sorry if this comes off wrong.
We're not talking about CLASS (poor, rich) issues but RACIAL (white, black, latino) issues.
Cmon now you could AT LEAST understand that.
How old are you by the way? What's your level of education? (Just interested, not judging)

[joeldalton]

The whole black lives matter movement is based around police brutality which does affect all, and affects white people more than black people. So try again.

[jesserutherford]

because the white population is higher than any other race 😭
how come black and white people consume weed at the same rate but a black person is 3x more likely to be charged from it? 😐

[joeldalton]

@jesserutherford Not only as a population as a whole, but as a percentage of the population of each respective race's interaction with police.

There could be any number of factors that contribute to a higher arrest rate for marijuana. Could be that those are additional charges when someone is arrested - it's well established that black people commit more crime than whites. It could be that it's easier to bust weed smokers in the inner cities than it is to drive through the suburbs looking for people smoking weed in their houses. To just immediately cry 'racism' is intellectually lazy.

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton okay now give statistics and sources to further explain your view point :)

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton you know I'd educate u but I'm sooooo not in the mood.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. “I don’t have time to educate you” is the favorite phrase of the intellectually lazy. Along with “ITS RACIST”.

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton Yeah better than just being dumb. I'll take lazy any day.

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton hajahaha you remind me of that guy who was like "so if a man sleeps with a woman when she says no it's what AUTOMATICALLY rape."
Yes Brian if you say something racists it's aUTomaTICalLY racist hahahaha.

[joeldalton]

Oh so a guy who doesn’t exist. Head back over to tiktok, child.

[Opinion Owner]

@joeldalton ... a guy who doesn't exsist? What?
Get back in your coffin u fossil hahahha

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones screaming the loudest about "All Lives Matter" are right-wing self-professed Christian types.

They could do with reading the parable of the lost sheep, in that book they love so much.

A Shepherd had 100 sheep. One day one goes missing. And the shepherd leaves the 99 sheep and goes looking for the missing one. "What about us,?" bleat the 99 sheep. "Don't ALL sheep lives matter?"

"Of course they do," said the shepherd. "But you ignorant fuckers aren't the ones in danger right now."

I may be paraphrasing. I don't go in for the whole bible thing.

[Blerdsmith19]

Don't get me wrong, I believe that all lives do matter. But when people say this, they usually say it to downplay the BLM movement in saying "you don't think other lives matter, too?" We're not saying other lives don't matter. The reason why we say BLM is because of the oppression that black people have fallen victim to throughout history. It's oppression that's still active to this day. How many times have you heard of an unarmed black man getting killed by police, and if not killed they're nearly beaten to death? It's too often, and that's why people get upset when people say all lives matter in the assumption that we don't care about other people.

We can't say All Lives Matter until Black Lives Matter!

[The_Inquisitor]

All lives matter.

[Blerdsmith19]

I can't help but notice that you said this from your excerpt: "I feel like BLM isn't doing what it should be doing and that's getting black people together, showing black people there's a better life then crime, but it seems that from what it looks like, they simply want war."

You don't even understand how warped your mind is from mainstream media in order to say something like this. If you payed close attention to who participated in those riots, you realize that it was mainly white people participating in it, tainting the BLM name. You have white kids not afraid to show their faces on camera when robbing a Target, influencers like Jake Paul recording himself stealing liquor from a looted store. And when you turn on mainstream news, they attack the entirety of BLM. And when you say "a better life then crime," you realize that BLM also supports black entrepreneurs and black-owned businesses. Giving black people opportunities for exposure than what they would typically receive. We're doing better off than what our stereotypes say.

[The_Inquisitor]

You got me mistaken for the asker don't you?

[Blerdsmith19]

@The_Inquisitor I didn't even see your response when I was typing out my reply. Maybe there was a delay or lag on my end.

[Blerdsmith19]

I meant to reply to my own comment in order to expand on what I wanted to say.

[mich15smith]

The issue is in america and most of the world black lives are often treated as if they don't matter as reflected by disproportionate police shootings, imprisonment, poverty, and other discrimination. So the movment Black Lives Matter seeks to draw attention to these issues, but people saying all lives matter kinda gloss over these issues by replacing advocacy against racial injustice with some general "all lives matter". People who are a part of BLM don't think that other people's lives don't matter they just want to draw attention to the violence and injustice faced by mostly black people.

[jasco]

Well personally speaking most people that are black and are in prison more then likely deserve it however I dont think anyone should be killed by human beings regardless of reasons. So in short i ain't glossing over nothing, I simply want peace and my people to finally have a life besides violence

[mich15smith]

Yea, but given this disproportionate rate of crime in black communities, the cause of this crime is mostly material conditions. Poorer populations have higher crime, so do less educated ones. So goverment policy like the war on drugs, and criminalization of drugs specifically used by minority or poorer populations like the legal distinciton of crack and cocain means that historically people have tried to cause this disproportionate crime rate in these communities. Most people don't think that you should be in jail for consuming weed and yet 40,000 people are in jail for marijuana offences and African americans are 4x as likely as white americans to be arrested for weed despite the two populations using it at similar rates. The evidence for a bias in our justice system is astounding and needs to be adressed. Also the best ways to limit crime is through community investment not harsher policies.

[jasco]

Well yea I agree that people shouldn't be in jail for weed

[mich15smith]

My point was that African American populations see disproportionate convictions and arrest and this issue is ignored so that they made a movement advocating for black lives, thus BLM so when people say All Lives Matter they are glossing over the real issues.
www.sentencingproject.org/.../...-Lives-Matter.pdf

Between 2012 and 2014, black people in Ferguson accounted for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations and 93 percent of arrests, despite comprising 67 percent of the population.
Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be searched after traffic stops even after controlling for related variables, though they proved to be 26 percent less likely to be in possession of illegal drugs or weapons.
Between 2011 and 2013, blacks also received 95 percent of jaywalking tickets and 94 percent of tickets for “failure to comply.” The Justice Department also found that the racial discrepancy for speeding tickets increased dramatically when researchers looked at tickets based on only an officer’s word vs. tickets based on objective evidence, such as a radar.
Black people facing similar low-level charges as white people were 68 percent less likely to see those charges dismissed in court. More than 90 percent of the arrest warrants stemming from failure to pay/failure to appear were issued for black people.
The Concentrated Racial Impact of Drug Imprisonment and the Characteristics of Punitive Counties
While White & Black Americans admit to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are VASTLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.
In 2002, Black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses at TEN TIMES the rate of White Americans.
Today, Blacks are 3.7x as likely to be arrested for a marijuana offense as Whites, despite similar usage.
97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration.
www.acludc.org/.../..._aclu_stops_report_final.pdf

[SomeBlondeChick]

@mich15smith - you ever read the BLM ideology, sweetie? Or too stupid to know how to read? BLM motto mentions other people once cause they're likewise racist - to hispanics, Asians, mixed kids, etc. - and couldn't give a shit about anybody but themselves.

[mich15smith]

@SomeBlondeChick wtf, I just stated their ideology. wdym they're selfish. They are fighting against the injustices that they face more often than most other groups.

[jasco]

I dont face any injustices because I ain't stupid

[mich15smith]

You specifically may not but the evidence show that African americans disproportionatly face discrimination in many respects. So unless you think that African americans are disproportionatly stupid then you have to conceede that there is a systemic issue.

[jasco]

I feel like a lot of black that themselves in certain situations were in fact pretty stupid and most of those situations could have been avoided if they used common sense

[mich15smith]

so why do they not use common sense as much as other people? they go to prison more so why do you think that?

[jasco]

I dont feel like that systemic racism has anything to do with doing drugs

[jasco]

Because we aren't willing to think outside of our little prison, we think there's systemic racism because we're broke instead of rich like all the white people. Black people by far do more drugs then almost any other race.

[mich15smith]

white people and black people use weed at the same rate but get arrested 4x as much and for longer on average

[jasco]

Mm well honestly I just feel like people in general should stay away from drugs sense common sense would tell you that doing them gets you in trouble regardless

[mich15smith]

black people don't use weed the most.

[mich15smith]

the reason for the movement is because of unfair treatment. why should black people have to act better than white people on fear of death and imprisonment.

[jasco]

Why should black people not be held accountable for there own actions, why should white people not be held accountable for there own actions why should cops not be held accountable for there own actions, why does humanity not held itself for it's own actions? The reason why is because we dont like punishment, no one does. We like to do what we want, when we want and how we want it to be. Why should black people act better in general? Because black people are the main reason why crime is so high to begin with, I dont agree with the methods police used nor do I agree with the sentences that these judges give, I feel like some of these people just need reforming. But if they still act up after giving that reforming period then why not put them in jail longer

[mich15smith]

their longer sentances are controlling for criminal record. two people a black person and a white person with no previous charges are arrested. the black person is more likely to be convicted and even if they both are the black person would be more likely to get a longer sentance.

[joeldalton]

Nothing wrong with it at all. If you factor the population by the subset that has police interactions, black people are not disproportionally killed by police. This is statistical reality. We should all be working together WITH the police (not screaming in their face in the streets in the middle of a literal pandemic) to get them more funding and more training.

With that being said - anyone else notice you haven’t heard a peep from BLM since the election? Guess they outlived their usefulness to the democrat party.

[Virgo31]

All lives matter was a direct attack on Black Lives Matter. As you can see all lives matter has done absolutely nothing to help all lives. When people say Black Lives Matter it’s not ONLY Black Lives Matter. We know All lives matter we aren’t stupid.

[jasco]

Well why not just push for equality, why push for one race to be safer then the others, mexicans, Asians and even whites have there own problems to, why not push for better healthcare in general, why not push for better safety in all areas

[Virgo31]

When your house is on fire and you call the fire department for help you don’t want them telling you, “Well we have to go help someone’s house who’s not on fire because All houses matter.” You’d be outraged because your sitting there with your house burning down.

[jasco]

Well yea when you put it like that its stupid but what if everyone's house was burning, everyone's going broke, everyones suffering so why focus on one house when instead you could send out more fire trucks

[Virgo31]

Well duh it sounds stupid because it is. Focusing on the bigger fire is the main priority meaning more fire trucks would be needed. All those fire trucks your sending out doesn’t need to go to someone’s house who accidentally tripped the fire alarm. They need to go to the houses who are actually being burned down.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

If you go look at what the folks to participate in BLM protests push for, you'll find it actually is all of these things. And at the end of the day, we know that being too vague doesn't work. If you went around protesting and advocating for "safety in all areas" and "better healthcare", people would just say you're being too vague to warrant caring about. If you get more specific, they criticize the specific topic you're on about... like you're doing here. Put together, it's a general pattern of avoidance that led us to the many societal problems we have today.

[grega239]

David dorns life didn't matter when he got shot by a black guy while working , that 8 year old girls life didn't matter when she got shot in a drive by.

Thousands of black people's life doesn't matter when when the shooter is black.

But as soon as the person holding the gun is white or police or both, suddenly half the country is on fire.

Good job , you hypocrite

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

@grega239 Actually, the deaths are just part of the equation. The other half is what happens after the crime is committed. One of the biggest complaints of the BLM movement isn't just that black people are murdered by cops - it's that nothing happens to the killers afterwards.

So you'll see a whole bunch of "oh yeah, whaddabout [insert name of somebody killed by a black person here], you hypocrite?" and the difference is: they actually got punished for the crime.

In David Dorms' case, there was a $56k reward offered and six people in custody within 48 hours. Most of the killers of the victims BLM regularly protests about have never even been arrested, let alone charged with a crime.

That's the difference. Good job understanding a problem before you post about it.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

In case that's too difficult to understand, let me sum it up more succinctly:

When a black person gets murdered by a cop or even just a white person... often times absolutely nothing happens. It's just not a big deal. Nobody gives a shit. In the relatively rare event they're forced to, there's always a technicality and the killer gets off with a slap on the wrist.

When a cop, or just a white person gets murdered by a black person, rewards are offered, arrests are made, the whole community goes on alert, it's dogs living with cats and raining frogs until the killer is caught and convicted.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@Virgo31
If it doesn’t mean: „ONLY Black Lives Matters“, then why not simply say: „Black Lives ALSO Matters!“, to make it clear? It would stop a lot of questioning about the misleading term „Black Lives Matters“

[__inkRat]

@Virgo31 there is also thing called conter fire, where you burn out places to restrict larger fire from spreding. Not American, but I dont see how BLM help, and it doesn't translate well. Maybe at start its ideas was good, but right now they are shit.

[grega239]

@HungLikeAHorsefly nothing happens to the killers because 9/10 it's justified.

The reason I'm whatabouting is because you don't see the outrage when the killer is black, which it usually is.

And the reason I bring up david dorn is because he seemed to be a law abiding citizen unlike floyd, taylor, and several others that got basically made into martyrs despite the fact that had a history of violence.

Praising criminals but crickets for dorn and that little girl.

And how is burning shit and looting gonna help solve anything

[Virgo31]

@Tonytoutouni123 It never said Only Black Lives Matter so that’s completely your fault for assuming.

[Virgo31]

@grega239 I’m sorry, how is it justified for a man to be choked on the ground for nine minutes crying that he cannot breathe with people pleading the police get off of him. Why is it justified to shoot a woman in her home with a no knock warrant for drugs when there were no drugs in her house.

[Virgo31]

@grega239 dude 93% of the protest have been peaceful. Half the country isn’t on fire, so stop acting like it. You’re being dramatic and making a hyperbole out of riots. Which again BLM doesn’t stand for, protesters and rioters are two different people that’s why they have different names.

[grega239]

George floyd is the only example of unjust I can come up with.

Breanna taylor was shot because her junkie boyfriend shoot at the police and she got caught in the crossfire.
Jacob blake, a guy with an extensive criminal history and several others who were shot for violent behavior and who were used as propaganda and them being shot use to justify destroy businesses of people who had nothing to do with those shootings. There are also plenty of videos of blm supporters threatening to burn peoples homes.

And yes , blm infact does stand for the riots because they're carried out in it's name

[loveslongnails]

You're missing the point a bit. IF all lives "had mattered" to all the people NOW saying "all lives matter", there would have been no need to specifically point out that "black lives matter" too. Yes, all lives matter, but it hasn't been that way in reality in the United States for hundreds of years.

[jasco]

Well as you can see things are in fact changing slowly but stkll

[loveslongnails]

We can only "hope" they're changing. Laws don't change hearts, only understanding does. As long as folks remain ignorant, they'll be no real change. Let's pray for the best.

[Anonymous]

When people say that I respond Black Families Matter, because BLM is attacking and destroying Black families. They support abortion of Black Children, the attack Black Fathers, and street thugs who terrorize Black families. They are trying to use the veneer of social justice to bring in their atheistic Marxism. They are filled with the spirit of the Antichrist. I think it is stupid to refer to people as black or white as no one is either. We are all human beings created in the likeness of God. There are no races and Jesus died for us All the same. The only thing that truly separates people is the choices we make. There is such a thing as black culture, but it is independent of skin color. That being said there are racist out there, but it isn't systematic outside the school system and you'll certainly find more supporting BLM. It is true All Lives Matter, but Black Families Matter is a true strike at the heart of BLM.

[KingOfDoriath]

Because it completely misses the point of black lives matter. OF FUCKING COURSE all lives matter!!! Black lives matter means, Black lives matter as much as anyone elses and should not be taken simply because someone feels threatened by them. think of the 99 sheep scenario. there are 99 sheep safe and sound except one, the hundreth sheep and a man goes to find it, But the other sheep say 'what about our safety?' and th man responds ' You are all safe on the farm grounds, while the one is not!'. do you get it? Black lives are constantly at risk day in, day out. People are say All Lives Matter clearly have no understanding of why people say Black lives matter, nor are they history fanatics lol if they were they would understand why people say Black lives matter.

[jasco]

Well from the looks of it everyone is becoming that 100th, not just black people, I believe we need to help everyone in order to help one person because were human beings, if you want to change the government then your gonna change the entire area and therefore you have to change it not just for the benefit of black people but for everyone and that's what this country was suppose to be. We need to change it for everyone or not at all cause your just being selfish if you do it

[WesBrewer]

I think all lives do matter, including unborn ones, the problem is black kids were told by there parents for the past 50 years that white people have more value (the black kids around gangs at least, spoken from my father's experience) so when you say that it basically means, all lives matter but the black lives still aren't as meaningful.

[israelisevil]

BLM is trick to try make people think racism issue not cops. Cops are given high quotas by government who needs high ammounts prisoners meat private prison slavery demand. Cops target poor people all races cause they can't paybail/getgoodlawyer/payfines and go to jail. they show you specific videos when cops murder people all races all the time. the militarization of police regulation of guns and drugs are all part the same problem that government can't keep up free labour demand. Neither lives matter your bothe being tricked

[The_unknown_memer]

Ever wonder why people who campaign for addressing breast cancer dosen't address about aids or Ebola?

Well when we are talking about cancer , we are talking about people who are affected by cancer

It dosen't mean that people who are affected by aids dosen't matter but talking about them in a movement for breast cancer will only derail the problem of breast cancer.

Same thing with black lives matter , it's about addressing and solving the problem of police brutality and systematic racism that black people face.

If all lives matter were really concerned about all lives and the inefficiency of the law in America, they would join black lives matter not go against it.

Hence why all lives matter is.. wrong

[jasco]

Well then, if black lives truly matter then why not start from the beginning, start with blacks lives. Start with helping out drug addicts, helping out people who went to jail so they can be reform, help abused children get a better life, help people who are willing to work to get a better education, help black people. Stop blaming it on systemic racism because that's not all of the problem that we are facing as a people

[Bananaman177]

How come. . . all the people who run and fund Black Lives Matter. . . Are Jewish?

Why are Jews using blacks as muscle?

Why are blacks letting Jews use them as muscle? That means you guys will do all the fighting and marching and sacrificing, and getting beat up, arrested, and killed, but the Jews in the background will be the ones who get to win.

[Anonymous]

It makes light of and detracts from the original message that black lives matter as much as everyone else's. It ignores the actual problem and makes it about you. "Everyone" isn't being specifically targeted by police or being frequent victims of police brutality and unjustified murder by officers. Black people are. So it is offensive to ignore that and make it about yourself.

It's like seeing someone say "We should feed the homeless" and saying "We're all hungry. Feed me." It's extremely insensitive and tone-deaf.

[veecutie]

Because it became a counter attack to a movement (BLM). Also, because different racial backgrounds have been subjected to different battles. In this case, Blacks have been accused and persecuted by police, treated in a way Whites would never be subjected to. And since White privilege exists, it is unfair to make both of them part of the same group. What exactly are Whites fighting about? Now, if it was a movement that started from scratch (ALM) then sure whatever

[jasco]

So in short white privilege is when white people don't get any type of racist remarks is what your saying. well i can truthfully tell you that isn't true, from the past to the present, there are indeed incidents of white, Asian and any other race that isn't black that has been accuse of different things or has been killed for skin color. If you wish to better the nation why not better the people first. Better the area where it started from, which is the home

[SavageGirl101]

Because all lives matter was made to shut out black lives matter so saying all lives matter is silencing black ppls struggles

[jasco]

I call bs, because everyone struggles it's a part of life and simply focusing on part of the problem doesn't help

[SavageGirl101]

Anyways like I said all lives matter was made to shut out blm❤️

[jasco]

Well I dont believe that we should shout BLM, I just feel like by acknowledging not just black people but everyone who is also having problem with the government as it is right now would be better for everyone

[SavageGirl101]

Who is we?🤣🤚

[jasco]

The people who agree with the all lives matter quote

[SavageGirl101]

Yea that’s not all of us ❤️ just your opinion not a fact

[jasco]

I never said it was fact, everything I have stated was a opinion and I just wanted to debate about it

[jasco]

Nor did I say everyone was like this either

[SavageGirl101]

Ok good for u 😭

[jasco]

Thank you tho for giving your opinion

[hahahmm]

If society were a person, that person has a really bad flu and goes to the hospital. The liberal doctor says, "we need to cut off his arm". The conservative doctor says, "do nothing". The independent doctor says, "let's take blood samples and run some tests and think about the best approach after that."

Now you have the first two doctors holding knives to each others throats and wrestling while the other doctor watches.

[normalice]

Its like if you go to your employeer to ask for your paycheck and your employer says "but all employees should get a paycheck." That doesn't solve the problem so much as pointedly refuse to acknowledge the problem.

Especially if all your coworkers have already collected their paychecks.

[Anonymous]

All lives matter is code word for shut up nigga keep it 100.

You probably 18 or white either way ill pu you on game.

BLM is terrible organization. Ran BY Grifting black people LGBT, Jews, and WHITE liberals..

The ALM people are the hillybilly racist or rich white people.

Pick your poison on what side you want.

Now some black people take BLM for name sake alone and don't know about no antifa,. They just wanna stop getting harrased or killed

It's never gonna happen black people are looked at as demon people either feared or hated or used for pleasure.

Black people issue is they don't practice true xenophobia, Self-segregation, and personal accountability like the other races. And that's why Asians middle eastern jews, and cooperate America take advantage of Us.

We also don't punish and re-educate our own.

[sp33d]

The core idea of BLM is fine, treat all races equally especially when it comes to police encounters. But the lack of empathy of the BLM extremists is a problem. If you say "all lives matter" you are, by some roundabout inference, saying that BLM is a false statement and then butts get hurt.

[Anonymous]

There's nothing wrong with saying all lives matter, but a certain section of society have been paying too much attention to the Woke Intersectional/Identitarian crowd, who are amplifying that sections victim narrative, while simultaneously breaking the populous into tribes, Black, Asian, White etc. This helps none but The woke I/I crowd, while limiting any cross group communication that would be able to resolve problems at a local level.
BLM pulled in Billions of dollars in donations while all the protesting was at its height, where has it gone? for sure you do not see it being used to support any projects.

[Meangurl]

Because all lives matter not just one race or color

[007kingifrit]

you say that like its a bad thing?

[Tiffyk]

Because it takes away from the racial injustice blacks have been feeling. We already know white lives matter, but black people feel isolated from society because there is a lack of interest or empathy when a black person does than when a white dies. This is because people group that death into the stereotype of black criminals.
It's kind of like if a veteren came back with ptsd and you told him everyone suffers.

[Dweezil]

Bullshit

[Tiffyk]

@Dweezil no, I'm telling you exactly how the group defines it. Not my problem if you disagree

[ChiTown33]

I would answer your question with this. It's like affirmative action. Now you can be for or you can be against it. It's not fair. But it's not supposed to be fair either. It's supposed to combat an unjust system. If you're a minority in this country you are at a disadvantage from start point go. And that's not right!

[jasco]

But black people make up most of the sports leagues, they make up most of fast food chains so how are they a minority

[ChiTown33]

And how many of them are OWNED by black people? That's how they're a minority. To quote Chris Rock "Shaq is rich, the guy who signs his check is wealthy".

[jasco]

Honestly yes your right not to if any own those things

[Anonymous]

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, but in case they didn't, the BLM movement has become toxic in the same way feminism has. Both groups seek to tear down others in order to build themselves up. Rather than pushing to better their group's lives, they're actively fighting to worsen other people's lives and that's some bullshit. And neither are fighting for equality; they're fighting for special privileges.
You are correct. I think it took 2020 for a lot of people to finally realize that all of this-- all these groups are working to divide us and not to unite us, despite the bs that comes out of their mouths. Not a thing wrong with acknowledging all lives matter. The only ones offended by it, are the ones who want us divided to fight amongst ourselves. The reasons for this are debatable and shrouded in conspiracy.

[ACupOfFrosting]

Hahhqhahah incel

[jgokgotit]

Nothing is wrong with this. The BLM people take offense because it calls out their bullshit. Like many good movements gone bad, BLM had good intentions but let idiots tarnish their reputation. Also, by saying All Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter, you knock the BLM people off their pedestal.

[foodOlivia]

The whole “life matters” is incomprehensible to me. Once you put life in the category of “it matters” an argument can be made why it should “not matter”. Life is sacred it is not something that we can decide if it matters/has value, because once you invite that view on life, a dictator can decide these lives don’t matter and then come to destroy them. In order to protect all life you need to put it in the category of sacredness/outside of human reach.

[CYNICAL_CRYPTIC]

Nothing wrong with it when all lives do honestly matter to that particular individual.
However, we belong to a society where emphasis has been put on skin tones, eye
color and hair texture since it's founding day.

The fibers of this country are woven in hatred, ignorance and tribalism.