"All Lives Matter" is a phrase that exists solely as a response to Black Lives Matter rather than being an movement based on any truly humanitarian ideal. The response is either based on a misinterpretation of what Black Lives Matter argues, a false statement, or an is/ought problem.
As a misrepresentation of Black Lives Matter, people often use the phrase "All Lives Matter" not to champion all lives, but as a rebuttal to the supposed argument that the phrase "Black lives matter" means that lives of other races don't matter. The Black Lives Matter movement doesn't exist to assert that non-Black lives don't matter. Instead, Black Lives Matter simply addresses the issues that affect Black people at higher rates, such as unarmed Black people being killed by police when not threatening the lives of police officers, and such police officers often escaping justice in court. If police are able to escape justice for unjustly killing others, one can argue that the victims' lives don't matter to the police officers that killed them and the court system that allowed it. The phrase "Black Lives Matter" exists as a direct response to people escaping justice for killing Black people unjustly and informing people that Black lives matter like anybody else's lives in the law enforcement and judicial systems, not that other people's lives don't matter.
As a downright false statement, the phrase "All Lives Matter" exists based on false information and ignorance to relevant information such as statistics. At its worst, as a false statement, the phrase could simply be used to counter Black Lives Matter without addressing the arguments made by Black Lives Matter supporters. For example, statistics show that Black people are three times more likely to be gunned down by police, especially when unarmed and endangering the lives of the cops or civilians. In addition, police officers are more likely to escape justice, especially when their unarmed, non-threatening victim is Black. If it were true that "all lives matter" to law enforcement and judges, then cops wouldn't escape justice.
As an is/ought problem, which is philosophy based, it could be a statement based on genuinely mistaking "what should be" for "what is actually the case." For example, a person might claim that "all lives matter" based on their personal belief on an ideal society, such as the belief that all lives should matter. However, simply because a person believes that all lives should matter doesn't mean that they do matter. As previously mentioned, if all lives truly did matter, then evidence of bias towards Black people in law enforcement and the court system shouldn't exist, especially at the much higher rates that they do. Therefore, if the statement does exist as an genuine is/ought problem, then the statement should be changed to "All Lives Should Matter" so it could make more sense, be more accurate, and less controversial. Your view, as mentioned in your details, seems to be based on the is/ought problem. Yes, we are the human race and SHOULD BE considered such, but unfortunately, racism IS still a thing, which impedes us being treated equally as humans. That's why movements such as Black Lives Matter exist in the first place.
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Thing is, all around the world do different races suffer but it seems it’s just become a trend to follow the Black Lives Matter movement.
I come from South Africa where we have so much violence in the country in general but the white genocide is the biggest problem. The number of white, innocent farmers being brutally raped, tortured and then murdered and people in parliament, people in political parties of the ANC and EFF are once who enforce this behaviour. We have political party, EFF and ANC, singing “kill the boer” (boer=Farmer=white)
This is something that happens all too often to innocent families, not just farmers but to white people in general in South Africa but people don’t care. Why? Because we’re white and black people suffer more apparently. People either give an excuse for the white genocide saying our ancestors brought it on us but how is what people did longggg ago, now a 7 year olds fault? And I say a 7 year old because a story I can never get out of my mind is how a white 7 year old, daughter of a farmer, got crucified to the kitchen table, raped by the attackers and then murdered. Her parents murdered with an axe and her grandfather burnt to death.
How about a mother with her two sons and daughter (he kids all under the age of 15) were at home when men broke into their home. Tortured them snd then wanted one of the sons to rape their mother. The mother begged and pleaded for the to not do that so then they said they were going to rape the young daughter. They ended up raping the mother in front of her kids.
What about hannah cornelius who got raped and ultimately had a rock thrown on her head.
I personally have had my uncle and aunt brutally murdered with an axe, my mother’s father stabbed with a garden fork which he then managed to get to his room to get his gun but the intruders came in and used his gun to kill him and then left taking nothing, a family friend who went to visit her mom and got murdered... her body found cut up into chunks but people in the morning.
I could go on and on about how white people in South Africa suffer from how the blacks kill us. How political parties encourage the black people to kill the whites.
So, forgive me if I don’t stand with the black lives matter because my whole life I’ve just read or heard about how white people have suffered. My country has gone down because of the people who are running it snd majority of the people who are leaving are white people because of the crime rates. I mean how would you feel if you were a black person and you have political parties with a MASSIVE following, singing about how they’ll kill you because of your race?
I think ALL lives matter. If I saw a person being hurt or in need of help, i don’t care what colour you are, I’ll be there.
We are ALL Gods children, may you believe in Hod or not?
I supported the Black Lives movement when it started back in, I think it was, 2013. It was a justified response to racial profiling, police brutality and killing.
But somehow, along the way, it got hijacked. Some of the current leaders admit to being trained Marxist revolutionaries.
I am 1000% opposed to vandalism, looting and arson. These people are like alQaida terrorists. I think they should be either arrested and given heavy sentences, or shot on sight if they refuse to surrender. BLM radicals (not mere protestors) have been joined by antifa to commit terrorism in opposition to the very constitution of the USA. Their "demands" are completely insane. It is no longer about racism.
When I hear these people talk about racism, they harp about the past, ignoring the present. They want to condemn the present based on past slavery and a narrow view of history. But we got rid of slavery over 150 years ago and ended segregation over 50 years ago. These people don't even seem to be aware of the history of slavery in the world. It wasn't only blacks who were oppressed.
I strongly supported the civil rights movement and people like MLK. The goal was unity and equality. I even supported the Black Panthers. They didn't engage in destruction and offensive violence.
What the current protestors try to ignore is the tremendous progress we have made in the past 50 or 60 years. The difference between 1960 and 2020 is like night and day.
There are still bigots. And some systemic racial prejudice still exists, in some parts of the country more so than others. But I'd say that oppression today is more about socio-economics than race. Laws have extended the oppression of minorities to everyone. Poor people always get the shaft. It's just that minorities tend, on average, to be lower on the socio-economic spectrum. But there are many, many poor, underprivileged white folk, as well.
I oppose all forms of bigotry and welcome efforts to end it. But I have become totally opposed to what BLM has become. It has made an enemy out of me.
From a very naïve viewpoint, you're right that all lives matter.
But you're completely missing the point of BLM. Black people suffer a tremendous amount of injustice at the hands of law enforcement in the US. They're 10 times more likely to get pulled over while driving than white people, and the police officer is far more likely to reach for his gun than for a white person.
If I got pulled over by a US cop, as a white male approaching middle age I could shout, scream and swear at him. It might get me a bigger ticket, and it might get me arrested, but unless I actually pull a gun I'm going to survive the encounter.
A black man in the same situation, driving the same car would have to have his hands out the window ready for the cop, speak quietly and calmly and be very careful to not make any sudden movements. If he got shot, the police officer wouldn't even end up in trouble.
This is why we say BLM. Not because they matter more than white lives, but because they matter just as much, but are not currently treated as if they do. When you say "All lives matter", you're effectively denying there's any problem. When you say "Blue lives matter", you're saying that the police are justified in their wholesale murder of innocent black civilians.
As a footnote, I'm aware that as a white man, some people might consider my use of the word "black" to refer to people of colour as offensive. Please be aware that I'm in the UK, and black is the accepted word here, "African American" would be too specific as we see similar problems (but to a lesser extent) across Europe.
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The problem in this country is that the Democrat Party has formed itself around the core of identity politics and the MSM advance the Democrat agenda by encouraging people to think in racial/ethnic identity terms, rather than to think of American people cohesively.
Black Lives Matter is a political movement that doesn't have a thing to do with helping black people. In fact like everything else the left does, its about keeping black people DEPENDENT on government instead of helping them become INdependent. It was founded by self proclaimed Marxists who hate America and are in lockstep with the Democrats who want to keep black people dependent on them to get their votes.
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BLM is an organization created to stir up hatred and make black people feel that they are helpless victims who need to rely on the government because they don't have the brains and talent to compete with everybody else. Then, when someone calls out BLM they say "See! They are racists." The Democrats are behind it. Their entire existence relies on keeping minorities dependent on welfare and food stamps so that they feel like they have no choice to vote for Democrats to get bigger handouts. They rely on creating hatred and making people feel like helpless victims who need them to get ahead. BS! No human being is helpless!
What a DESPICABLE AND RACIST CONCEPT!
If black people really want to succeed they need to REJECT this victimhood complex, REJECT the Democrat's plantation, stand up on their own two feet and understand that THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DESTINY. America provides them with more opportunities than any nation in history ever has. You are not helpless. This is NOT a racist country, it's a country filled with opportunities for ANYONE. Stop being angry and hating America. Stop listening to the Democrats who tell you it's someone else's fault and you are a helpless victim! IT'S A FRAUD DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU IN DEPENDENCY! Don't hate America, work WITH America and see how far you can get.
VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS IF YOU WANT REAL CHANGE.
DON'T YOU GET IT (I am not talking about the OP here who I think is really smart)? THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT YOU TO BE FREE!We are breaking apart because that is PRECISELY what the left wants. You cannot control a person who is independent, you cannot appeal to a group of individuals as easily as you can with block groups. So they cannot control a society that is united and that means they cannot extort you, buy your votes, manipulate you nearly as well. BUT if they get you to hate others, to be too busy fighting other people who would otherwise have sided with you, well you remain weak and easily manipulated.
Look at what the left and what the right does. The left says all white people are racist (except for them of coures) and that is why only they can be trusted, so what happened? Blacks vote in democrats. So did their lives get better? Objectively not. In fact things have been getting worse for blacks in all the democrat run areas. Clearly the only one who benefited from this was the democrat politicians. Now what happens when you start questioning it? Do white people attack you? No, but democrats do. Why? If they truly wanted to help you and not themselves why would they constantly punish those who go against them? Again, this only benefits them. If they tell you a lie and your so isolated from other groups that you are not able to verify it is a lie, you cannot see how they are living their life differently then yours and succeeding where your failing, how are you going to know that they are lying to you and choose a better path? Well you can't. But again, who does that benefit? Not you, it benefits the one telling the lie.
This is why they do this, because breaking us apart, turning people into weak victims, and keeping each group isolated from others and every one paranoid about the other gives them power over you when if this wasn't happening you would be the one with all the power and they would be the one who was weak. This is why they do this.Because say it to the wrong person in the wrong way and you'll be assaulted. They only perceive their own issues and that is like devaluing their feelings of hurt. They don't care about other races, only their own pain right now. Sadly, many black people who grew up in the trap of their environment... African americans specifically as Africans do not seem to have this issue that I've seen, are often the most racially baised. I've heard that from black people. Sadly, they are also a large group still involved in slavery... humans do not evolve very fast... it is hard work, ask Jesus Christ.
Either you are much older than reported or wise beyond your years. Either way need to get you into a position of power, run for office... once you learn what is going on.
If logic and common sense were in play, then you'd get your wish. This is 100's years of messed up abuse and emotional trauma. It feels right.
Some people ok, some are not... mentally... the do not care by race. They have pure hatred and disgust and don't care. Remember, Hitler thought it was a great idea to wipe out Jews. It's emotional damage... and not easy to fix.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/four-women-suspected-of-beating-and-robbing-a-target-employee-in-northeast-columbus/I'm actually impressed that someone shares my views for once. The only thing I dont agree with is taking down statues, changing names, the flag. Hear me out, you can't erase history no matter how hard you try, it happened. You learn from it or you are doomed to repeat it. People were killed, blood was shed, and it was another piece of history that happened to build America. The good and bad must be mixed to build a strong world. We also have statues of presidents, African American Heros, war heros, memorials in their name. To me that is the good mixed with bad, we show how we evolve and overcome. You are right. The world is full of hate, bitterness and attention. We are divided more and more each day and that will be our destruction. I also agree with showing the families of poverty including the African American communities that anything is possible. Poverty is a state of mind. I know wonderful people born into poverty of different races and even genders, who have wonderful jobs/careers. If you bust your ass hard enough, work together, never give up, you can be the next big time lawyer. If you ever noticed media keeps us divided the most. They always have to put our race in the headlines, and mostly just white or black is used.. " BLACK man was shot by a WHITE man" i dont see much " WHITE man shot by BLACK man." Why is our race important? Why can't it be a " Man was shot." A life was lost, thats what truly matters, not what color.
I know im going to get so much hate. I expect it. So im gonna limit to just your replies lol. I think you have a very interesting point of view. 😁Saying black live matter doesn't mean white lives don't matter. It's like saying I like the colour purple, it doesn't mean I hate all the other colours. However in many countries around the world (especially USA) it's the black lives that are at a greater risk from being killed needlessly by law enforcement so the movement is based around that. Saying "We need to save the Amazon" doesn't mean we should cut down the rest of the rain forests, it just means that the Amazon is the one that needs protecting over the others as it's the one that's being deforested. Now swap in black for Amazon and killed for deforestation.
Of course unity is the ideal way forward, however as shown by groups such as (in UK) the EDL, the BNP/Britain First and UKIP (all borderline/very racist groups) the world isn't completely ready for unity and a lot of the world leaders (Trump, Johnson) share these views. in my opinion give it a couple years when the 50+ generation are gone and I think everything will become easier. But we need groups like BLM to give awareness to the issues. Whether you agree with their tactics or not, you have to admit they're effective because we're all talking about it.It’s all a bunch of nonsense if you ask me. It’s nothing but political posturing and power grabbing and thought control.
Point out any conservative black individuals, and tell me how they live their lives? Now point out any liberal black individuals and tell me how they live their lives?
Who is more likely to have a good life? And who is more likely to be ignorant, stupid, violent, go to jail, overdose on drugs, get shot by the cops, have crimes on their record.
If you don’t immediately see that the liberal brainwashed black individual is suffering, while the conservative black individual is living a positive life, than I don’t know what to tell you.
Black Lives Matter is how the liberals keep the black vote. It’s how they keep black people angry and afraid.
When it comes to conservatives, I literally follow 95% black ones. Cuz they are like me. Former rabid liberals full of hate and rage and self destruction. Who wake up from the liberal brainwashing machine, and see reality for what it really is.
Black Lives Matter is just a group of brainwashed individuals helping the liberals keep black people down.
If all black people in the US adopted the conservative view of the world, the black community’s problems would vanish. Point blank.
And really, it has nothing to do with conservative policy. It’s about a perspective on life. And black folks are in a great position to embrace that, because they have been on the other side, and won’t take life for granted like other conservatives may do, who never even saw the other side for what it is.BLM hasn't been about helping black people since it started, they are trying to hurt the black community, literally they are the reason I have to hide my child from people.
In my opinion, in todays standard BLM is more dangerous to the black community than the KKK because they are instilling even more fear of black people into the nation.
I get that police brutality is the problem but you mothafuckas don't fuckin see the arrests, I have. I have see black people get arrested then assault the officer and try to flee, that is literally assault. There is a fucking video floating around of a female officer getting stabbed several times by a crazy drugged out man because they are now afraid the god damn world will fucking attack them for doing their jobs. All these people claiming the police brutality, what about hood brutality? Black brutality? Why am I afraid of seeing another person of my own race when I walk down the road? Why should I have to be afraid for my daughters future because she is mixed? Whenever I see people bring up george floyd I think "You mean that violent crack head?" You know how many people get stabbed, beaten an raped by crack heads on a daily basis? Fuck I am tired of this "Black Live matter" bullshit.
It's cheap and it means nothing more than "We are the victims here"What’s wrong with it? It’s racist, and jus pisses me off,
I’m not even black, I’m white, I don’t even understand the problems blacks face but it still pisses me off, why?
The reason black lives matter was made was because cops kill black people so dismissfully like they don’t matter, and everyone jus sees black people as less worthy, that’s why black lives matter was made... to show that black people matter too, regardless of their colour
But all lives matter is jus straight up racist cos we already know Asian, Caucasian, indian or whatever are treated fairly... other racist aren’t so easily killed and harassed by cops, it’s like your tryna take away the point of black lives matter and forget about black lives mattering... and jus trying to give more rights to all races when all but black were already treated fairly, do u know what I’m saying? It’s jus fucking greedy,
Asians white Indians whatever... are already being treated fairly... it’s the blacks that aren’t... that’s why black lives matter is a thing... why would we bother to say all lives matter if we are already all treated fair, what’s the point of that? Do u know what I’m saying?I have no problem with all lives matter. As a Muslim, I don’t want to see Black people oppressed, or Asians made fun of or White people being harassed. I do want peace, problem is there are idiots in society who get listen to filth of what the media portrays about others and to them it turns them on and it cranks up their hatred for others. For example, the US govt issued the military to kill over 1 million Iraqi’s that’s just one country of the world. In the last 20 years millions of Muslims have died as well but people are silent on oppression because people living in the US assume it’s patriotic, how? I’ve woke up in the morning and heard a white man gunned down his school plenty of times and majority of the victims were white people and I sympathize and feel awful. A real person with real human feelings will feel regret and sorrow for others. Black people have dealt with a lot and continue to do so. But there are people who use that BLM hash tag # for the wrong purposes. I know that it boils down to this. People know the history of the western countries and how it was colonized in the first place through genocide and slavery. If there are white people reading this and they get triggered by my comment I think it has more to do with fear. Because deep down inside they know the population is becoming more multicultural of non Whites. There are white people who are cool and down to earth and don’t care about this whole “my land, my land, my land” BS. I ask those who have that racist ideology to let it go and instead of being hateful be peaceful. This world will always be diverse and no one can stop that but God. Therefore support others and be friendlier with each other. If this still garners thumbs down from GAG users then obviously my message doesn’t mean anything to them.
Let's put it this way. Afrodescendants around the world, and also, subsaharians Africans, suffer discrimination with far more frequency than any other human population. That has historical roots. Europe created a global industry of slavery, where most enslaved were subsaharians Africans. It means, for centuries subsaharians Africans and afrodescendants, who proudly call their self "blacks", were treated worst than animals, and label as "savages", "subhumans". That reality changed until not so long ago, thanks to series of profound social changes. Even after the legality of slavery was abolished, there was still something, named racial segregation (race doesn't exist in our species, but that's another story), that continued for decades. Important public figures like Martin Luther King Jr. , help put an end to its perceived normality. For the first time most agree such segregation was not aceptable, that it was a problem, not a solution. From then the life of black people started to matter more in the eyes of societies that supported the phantasy of a superior human race, to justify the slavery industry. Also, the black comunities knew that they had to assure their freedom, by been politically active in the nation's that once enslaved them. Is why black rights activism emerge, that's why BLM exist.
Dude I very much agree that BLM is going down the very wrong path, and so is all the small groups springing up fighting for every last little differentiable trait of a human being.
For example, in science we look at men and women as XY and XX. There are anomalies such as XXX, XXY, XYY. There is a relationship to this pair of chromosomes and practically everything different between men and women. Yet, that's not good enough. Now we have people complaining they're non-binary, that they're gender fluid, that they're a special cupcake, etc. all wanting the science to pander to them. And it's not a suggestion, it's a demand, and if you fail to agree to the demand you get canceled. The scientific community, especially those biologists who'd previously studied the sexes, fear for publishing scientific results because it might offend someone and it'll ruin their career.
BLM in this case reacts to headlines, causes destruction, and runs off. Then the facts roll out (un-edited body cam footage clearly showing the entire event) and we see either the A. headlines lied and BLM ruined a community for nothing, or B. headlines told the truth and there's something we need to fix AND a community got ruined.
I have so many gripes about all this stuff, all the PC people "fighting for equality". They end up being the biggest racists, the biggest sexists, and generate the biggest inequality (unchecked!) because no one wants to stand in front of the PC train to stop it and they don't fight for equality, they point the finger at another race / sex and say "IT'S YOUR FAULT".Because "all lifes matter" was started in response to Black lifes matter. It's like calling the fire department cause your house is on fire and they say "all houses are important". Yes obviously they are all important but can we focus on mine now cause I kind of have a problem here?
So yes all lives matter. But not all lives are targeted by the police this heavily. And saying this in response to blm is just to invalidate that black people are having a much harder time with the police than others.
And I'm not saying that anything BLM did was good. Absolutely not. But the basic idea that the US needs changes in their police department is something that I'd agree on. And not just for black people. The US police is corrupt in many aspects.The movement that Martin Luther King lead was a bipartisan, biracial force that started change through nonviolence. Some people are tired of waiting so they're more aggressive and feel they can resort to violence because the other side is OK with doing the same.
It's true, all lives matter, but Black Lives Matter, just like the NAACP, is a group instituted to help black people and people of color. It was not instituted to help police or white people or OTHER groups that exist.
Did anyone suggest that we rename the NAACP the NAAAP? National Association for the Advancement of ALL People?
So don't insult the BLM movement by saying the same. THe issues are far more black people are in prison than white people, far more black people are under or poorly educated than white people, far more black people live in poverty.
It's not ABOUT ALL LIVES!!! It's about a longtime suffering group.
One day we won't need such groups. That day hasn't come yet.Obviously all lives matter. But if you only say all lives matter as a response to black lives matter, you are just downplaying the struggles black people go through. Also, if you say blue lives matter, clearly you understand that one specific group of people are struggling. It's the word, "black" that offends you
Honestly my opinion. 100% all lives matter right but majority of BLM are white people in protests doing the rioting or coming along for the looting. I feel bad honestly cuz I know that wasn’t the goal. Then tik tokers white girls making cringy tik toks on blm like a bit try hard at that point. I wish blm would’ve worked but is now seems violent. I think if they put all lives matter no one can argue with that and I see Hispanics too saying their lives matter and start a argue so in this case and generation i think All lives matter would work best.
Because most people who say "all lives matter",
tend to exclude black people, women, and poor people.
And so when we say "black lives matter",
we're not saying "only black lives matter".
We're saying "black lives matter as well".
Now don't get me wrong, there are some people
(and they're usually black people),
that will say "black lives matter"
and will still treat any other race
like they're nothing or that they don't matter.
But the original intention of "black lives matter"
isn't to make it all about us. It's to remind you
that when you say "all lives matter",
you need to include every race.
And that INCLUDES black people.I agree that all lives matter: black, brown, white, and Asian. Also, I don't think anyone should lose their life because of police brutality. Sadly, minorities are more likely to be shot and incarcerated. The police need better training and excessive force should not be tolerated. There are other countries that don't use excessive force and have banned guns. We need to do better!
Now fortunately BLM isn't that big a problem in Denmark... YET most laugh of it and are Abel to look past the great hypocrisy the money generation dictorial organisation BLM is , knowing it's just as dangerous as Hells Angels and KKK. But ofcauce the organisation don't value all life's matters, as those rabiate leaders of the money organisation BLM ( who ought to be viewed on as KKK) would lose focus , and remember they don't give a shit about any life at all , not even them criminal black guys who were killed while being arrested by the hard working US police force in there attemp to fight the rapid growth of crime in US.
"all lives matter" was made specifically to combat black lives matter. it is inherently racist. "all lives matter" people think that black lives matter is anti white. and it is NOT! or they say "well when did black lives not matter, they've always mattered to me". black lives matter is NOT against the public! it is against the establishment! black people are murdered everyday for just being black. Casey Goodson Jr. was murdered in his house because cops say they mistook his subway sandwich for a gun. this was on December 7th. if you don't agree with me that's fine. but please do not argue, if you would like to share your opinion please do so in a respectful, mature manner.
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