Do you feel like a lot of modern women are trash?

[Not_Average]

This sounds extremely bitter, but I was listening to Candance Owens, and I think she has a lot of valid points. I'm in a long term relationship with a great woman, and never had much trouble dating most of my life.

I hear stories from my single friends and cringe often though. It seems like modern women just want to sleep around, and reject any classic feminine gender quality. If you don't carry emotional depth, aren't nurturing, don't cook, don't clean, aren't submissive to your man, but rather serve resistance to any requests... then why should any guy wife you up? Lack of these traits showcase that you'd be a bad mother and lead us to depression and divorce. The only value that you offer him at that point is sex, and sex isn't that hard to find.

I'm not saying to shame these women... but these types are so unattractive to me outside of sex. I just ignore them. The wildest thing that I see is weak men sucking up to women like this. Divorce rates are so drastically high now. Depression rates in younger women are higher than young men. I consistently say this, but our culture seems backwards.

This isn't to look at things from a binary perspective, but gender roles are biologically rooted within us. When we deviate from it, it causes issues. Women are not to be seen as inferior to superior. They are simply different, and women and men are supposed to complement each other. Women with masculine characteristics are very unattractive for logical reasons. The same goes with feminine men.

[Anonymous]

Men and women are equally at fault. Men for thinking it's cool to sleep around, and women taking part in it with them. Men do not learn self control and encourage all of their friends to screw as many women as possible, and women also buy into the lie about sexual empowerment and take part in being screwed...

This is why there are so many that complain about each other. Bot genders have forgotten their differences and similarities... that they are supposed to complement each other. However, neither are trash, both are simply misguided and brain washed through media and flawed perception of masculinity and femininity.

I always see men complaining about women and then in the same breath they talk about 'pumping' and 'dumping', then women complain about fuck bois, and in the same breath go out and have sex with those exact types.

My suggestion to everyone is to ignore all of the expectations of society and be the way you feel is natural, seek your purpose, and learn to be your true self.

[yucel_eden]

Due to the oppression of women, women are now trying to get on top of men, so it’s causing this unbalanced and ugly dynamic in relationships.


Men used to cheat around while women were loyal till 20 years ago.


Now, women are given more freedom so the roles are reversed.


But yes, I can say from experience that most women are trash. But you get good people in both men and women, it’s wrong to cry and get upset with the world and get on with finding those good women that still exist, even if it’s rare.

[Abtraction]

what oppression?

[yucel_eden]

Women all around the world were oppressed socially in the 19th century, men had all the power.

If a man cheated it was a normal thing, if a women cheated she would be shamed.

She coudnt wear open clothes all around the world...

[Abtraction]

what a load of crap. women cheated all the time, you just didn't hear about it.
men have the power because they earned it with hard work.
I think the poster was referring to American women, American women are a privileged sex.

[yucel_eden]

American women were oppressed. This isn’t a blame game, it was everyone all around the world

[Abtraction]

you're oppressed mentally

[yucel_eden]

Lol so instead of giving a logical answer to try and convince me your throwing insults? That would get you far in life

[Abtraction]

maybe if you provided a valid example of oppression. Complying to social norms is not oppression.
Yes in some shyt-hole countries women are oppressed, but not in America.

[yucel_eden]

Women aren’t oppressed now, that was never my point, I’m talking in the past.

People don’t forget the past so easily

[200006]

But women do commit infidelity: Studies show that anywhere from 13 to 15 percent of women admit to cheating on their spouses (compared to about 20 to 25 percent of men). If you've ever been on the receiving end of infidelity or thought of stepping out yourself, you've probably wondered, why?

[MzAsh]

To be fair, we can also say that a lot of men are trash too. They want to waste their 20s drinking and drugging, playing video games. They want sex immediately but then turn around act like they deserve a good virgin wife. Not happening.

Candace Owens is a miserable simp, for the large part. It’s weird too because I know she can be smart and articulate, but she often chooses to be hateful and holier than thou. She can’t stand the idea that many of us don’t share her values, and she seethes with hatred for the liberal or secular lifestyle.
If she wants to make sandwiches and submit to her husband then she can knock herself out. Doesn’t bother me one bit.
I just wish she would get over it.
But more to your point, I think there are a lot of ways women can improve, but it’s not going to involve women becoming quieter, smaller, or more submissive. Unless, of course they truly want to. Because women living the life they please is #1.

[FilmGuy93]

I think it's safe to say that all of humanity needs to do better.

[Not_Average]

Sure I can concur with your take on men. Submission had a lot more depth than making sandwiches though. Im all for women doing what they want, but I feel society is putting women in a weird paradigm that doesn’t actually make them happy. But if they’re more progressive, that’s fine. We just don’t date each other you know

[MzAsh]

Agreed, both film guy and not_average.

[ThrowAwayx404]

“To be fair, we can also say a lot of men are trash too.”

That wasn’t the question though. Typical for women to deliberately not address the issue at hand because the issue at hand is an examination of women’s behavior, and we can’t have that. We can analyze and call out mens behavior all day long, but if we merely ask about women, it’s automatically ignored and turned back on men.

Why even reply if you’re going to intentionally not answer the question?

[MzAsh]

I think a lot of people are garbage. Men and men. Past and present. I also think that focusing in on one group attempts to ignore or diminish the actions of the other is also a part of garbage behavior.

Does that answer your question better?

[MzAsh]

* men and women. Past and present. And likely the future as well.

[ThrowAwayx404]

There you go, let all that hate out.

Also, it should be expected to focus on women when the question itself is LITERALLY about women. Not sure what part of that was confusing. Clearly you felt some kind of way about the question.

It’s interesting that women can have conversations about the various ways men are toxic and if men want to participate in that, they’re expect to stick to the topic at hand. In fact, if a man tries to bring up things that women do during a conversation about men‘s behavior, it quickly gets called out as trying to derail the conversation. However, when the topic is about women your initial reflex is to ignore the fact that the question is about women and you change the topic to men.

I understand it’s uncomfortable for you to even consider the fact that women can be trash too. I hope you mature enough to learn to put your ego aside when talking about these issues.

[MzAsh]

I’ve admitted that women can be toxic. I think it’s interesting how people react when I don’t play their little games and include men on the equation.

[ThrowAwayx404]

Not sure what exactly you’re referring to because I think men are trash too. The issue isn’t calling men trash, it’s the fact that too often women cannot have a conversation about how women are trash without also dragging men into, even then that’s not the topic at hand.

[MzAsh]

That’s a fair point. So im wondering if there’s an issue with a distinction between the two genders. Why would someone point out how women are trash but not men? In what ways might you say women are trash that doesn’t also apply to men?

[ThrowAwayx404]

Because that’s LITERALLY not the question that was asked here.

When the question is whether one thinks women can be trash, and your first impulse is “men are trash too” that’s your ego responding, not your brain, because the ego felt attacked and needed to deflect by providing an answer that doesn’t address the question but rather seeks to lessen the discomfort of admitting that women are trash (too) by basically saying “hey, but those people over there (men) are trash too, so why ask about women only”. Because just what the question is about.

It’s ridiculous for women to call out men who say “women are trash too” during conversation about MEN’S BEHAVIOR, only to use the same deflection when the question being asked is about women. There are constantly ongoing conversations about the various ways men are trash. There literally no need to start a response to a question about women a behavior by saying “but men are trash too”, when the question isn’t about men.

I don’t think you’re wrong in what you’re saying about men, but you could have simply answered the question about WOMEN without prefacing it with “but men are trash too”. That’s ego right there.

[ThrowAwayx404]

Modern women are definitely trash. However, I prefer not to use the word trash, as it does not properly address the actual behavioral issues. A better, more descriptive word that actually get to the core of the issue is “narcissist”.

Modern women are narcissists.

They think they’re entitled to a good man for no reason other than they exist, and there is zero consideration for whether they deserve or earned him.

They are gold diggers. Every other video I see online of women’s asking about what they want in a man is money. Women do not see men as people, we are just ATMs to them.

They lack the ability to be introspective. Modern women struggle to look internally and examine their own behavior. This is because feminism has convinced women they are perfect little angels that can do no wrong. Oh and if a man ever tried to call out their behaviors issues, he must hate women, because as we know…women are perfect, and there isn’t a single criticism that is fair, warranted or valid.

They are manipulative. Women love to claim to be strong and independent, but will quickly default back to the role of victim when convenient. They use their status as women as a shield against any and all criticism and frame everything as “misogyny”.

Which leads me to this one: they use “misogyny” to shield themselves from all criticism.

They complain about objectification, only to objectify themselves.

They demand all their decisions be respected and demand that her past be ignored as if the choices one makes aren’t a reflection of your values.

They are just outright unnecessarily and preemptively mean, confrontational for no reason.

At the end of the day, there’s a lot wrong with modern women, and most of the time, even the mention of some of these things get framed as “mysogyny”, so it never gets addressed. But what do we expect from people who already think they’re perfect and that only men are the problem.

[200006]

I've never met a woman like that In my life Also you cannot judge women's behaviors based on a few videos You See online If you actually Judge the majority of people's behaviors based on YouTube videos then you must be stupid

[dikdollan]

No, I don't think all modern women are trash. I will assume you're from a western country. To think all modern women are trash is sexist and wrong. You could attempt how come all the women in my life are trash? That question would probably get you closer to the root of the problem. Use Google translate get on foreign social medias and make some friends with similar interests in foreign countries. Western men are all over online exclaiming how much happier they are after pursuing foreign relationships. So no, I do not think all modern women are trash I think modern western women culture is trash. Seriously hit up eastern Europe these western girls will drive you to suicide and laugh while you die because they finally beat a man at life by destroying his. I probably get removed from this site for this I've been removed from countless other sites for giving the same advice, but I feel it's Important. Men are reporting far less suicidal thoughts after cutting western women out their life. Some men in this movement have even reported having stopped talking to their own mothers because they are completely toxic and negative.

[FilmGuy93]

I always avoid using language like this, but I often feel like many modern women are out of touch with reality (certainly out of touch with what men actually want). I have also met a lot of women who seem to carry around a lot of indignation, frustration, anger, resentment, insecurity, bossiness; and I honestly can't figure out where it's coming from because so many of them are gorgeous, smart, successful, etc.. I don't know their stories, so I don't want to presume to know anything but I see their attitudes and I want to run for the hills. Why on earth would they think men would ever want to deal with them when they are so unpleasant? If they met a man like that they would run for hills too; those men are called Incels and women avoid them at all costs.

[geola]

No, but moder men aren't any better. There are too many nice guys out there thinking them being nicw will lead to sex. Stop idolizing women and saying they are bitter when they deny you sex. Also the inversion of gender roles has a big part to do with it, women are women and men are men, maybe we should start acting like it

[ThrowAwayx404]

The question wasn’t about men though, it was about women.

[Minwai]

Some people just want to be nice and ask nothing in return, they just want relationship with them too bad modern women don’t value nice guys and instead chase for temporary pleasure and most of the women hates nice guys but often chase toxic guys that mistreats them

[exitseven]

It is sad what social media is doing to people, not just women. I guess I am glad I grew up in the 80's before any of this was invented.

[EternallyCorrect]

A lot of modern people are trash. The more modern they are the more trash they are.

[OliviaOfTheScots]

Become more evened out in a way in terms of it being a requirement that a woman cook and cleans

[Not_Average]

If I provide and lead the household, and she can’t cook or clean, then what is she offering in the relationship? Sure I can appreciate who she is as a person, but she needs to contribute to sustain a healthy relationship.

[OliviaOfTheScots]

Nowadays it's more common for women to also provide (I don't know what you mean by lead)

[200006]

What if she has a career too

[Anonymous]

Another man on Gag complaining that women aren’t bare foot and pregnant anymore. Upset because they no longer want to play a submissive role to the men in their lives. 😢
Apparently women are ruining the world by wanting more from their partners, and their lives.
Single men have slept around for ages, but that’s not even worthy of conversation. Let’s talk about those slutty women.

[Not_Average]

Well it would be illogical to look at men and women and have assumption that their societal measures are identical given that biology doesn’t provide confluence with that ideal.

I’m not looking to partake in a petty online argument filled with sarcasm and condescending blows/emojis. I’m actually attempting to have a real discussion with depth because I feel as if this actually a big societal problem considering the exponential rise in depression for young men and women.

If you want to be petty, then I rather just know now so I can discard myself from this convo. Waste of energy to partake in these games tbh.

[Opinion Owner]

I read here everyday how women are ruining the world because they don’t want to be treated like chattel.
You bemoan the fact the women are not submissive to their men, they don’t want to clean, and dammit, they just aren’t living up to your idea of what femininity should be.
Women must be under the thumb of a man, otherwise society, and life as we know it, will fall apart.
I know. I heard it before

⚠️ Warning. Emoji ahead

🙄

[Abtraction]

must be why women buy so many shoes and never cook.

[Not_Average]

I’m not personally taken aback by this because every woman I’ve dated has been naturally submissive towards me. I personally don’t think it’s a logical perspective to expect women and men to be the same in regards to societal roles given that we are so different biologically. Women have traits that men don’t... vice versa. Shouldn’t we play towards our biological strengths rather than trying to fulfill every role within a marriage or relationship? Data shows that young men and women are more dissatisfied in long term relationships than ever before. This definitely seems to be more of an issue than a couple of outcasts on gag complaining about women.

[Opinion Owner]

“I personally don’t think it’s a logical perspective to expect women and men to be the same in regards to societal roles given that we are so different biologically.”
Meaning what exactly?
You lament that women “aren't nurturing, don't cook, don't clean, aren't submissive to your man.”
Do you believe that all women should possess those traits because of her.. umm.. biology?
What if a woman lack the skill to cook, does that really make her a bad mother? What if she’s a million dollar a year CEO but can’t boil an egg. Is she a bad mother then? What if dad can’t boil an egg? Is he a bad father?
There is no doubt that people are having a harder time maintaining long-term relationships. I blame selfishness for that. A trait shares by both men and women.

[Abtraction]

lmao
yes if a mother can't cook or clean she's is a bad mother. It's not that hard.
I don't know any men who can't cook, clean, and take care of the kids. In fact when it come to skills, most women have almost none. Many men can cook, clean, do laundry, fix the car, fix the house, electrical, plumbing. Men excel in life because we earn it with hard work, that's why we dominate in pretty much every field, including cooking. If you women want respect, then earn it.

Most men are not looking for a wife to be his slave, that more feminist garbage, but she should be submissive and she should work with the husband to promote the family. No man wants to come home from work and deal with more crap because the wife thinks all men are there to put her down.

It seems to me that men nowadays are better fathers and mothers, and giving the stats of kids raised by single moms, there's plenty of data to prove it.

None is making women be shitty women, women are choosing to be shitty women. The amount of data to back this up is easily found.

There's still good women out there, they are just hard to find.

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
Why should she be submissive?

[Abtraction]

you need a leader, men are natural leaders. Not having a leader causes chaos.

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
You think having a penis makes you a natural leader?
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[Abtraction]

Yes, do some research.

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
My experience has been that men who stand on the shoulders of other men and claim their successes for themselves by saying “look at all the things WE have accomplished,” usually do that because that have a hard time standing on their own.
Why do you do it?

[Abtraction]

lol, I have accomplished a lot in life.
4 year honorable discharge from USAF, very well decorated
I'm a Mechanic gas/diesel engines, plumber, electrical, construction, welder, hydraulics.
I work as a software engineer with only a high-school diploma, and earn in the top 10% in the USA
I also run a couple small businesses.
and I'm not done, I still have a lot of other things in the works.

How about you?

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
You sound very impressed with yourself. That’s great.
Tell me something, for a woman, what would you consider successful?

[Abtraction]

lol, fishing for things to twist?

why would it be any different for a woman?

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
For a woman, is it making money or staying at home?
I find most men who want submissive women, want them to be at home.

[Abtraction]

lol, so you think lesser of women who stay at home? or be moms? or submit to their man?

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction
That would be a pretty self-defeating position to take considering I have been a stay at home mom for 12 years.

[Not_Average]

Submission isn’t this image of living under a mans thumb. Its not supposed to be enforced by the man. The woman naturally wants to give it. There’s also a lot more to a man other than his penis. Surely there’s more depth when considering biology lol. Women’s endocrine system specifically produces much higher counts of estradiol. Men on average produce 7x more testosterone than women. These primary sex hormones change a lot of our social behavior. Estradiol makes humans more emotional and nurturing and soft. Testosterone makes humans more hardened, aggressive, and durable. Whenever you deviate away from biology, it’s considered unattractive to the opposite sex. So yes if you don’t cook clean or nurture, then you wouldn’t be considered very feminine given our biological nature. And yes if you can’t cook for your kid, I’d consider you to be a bad mom.

[Not_Average]

Submission she yields to me. Meaning I get the last say so. She comes to me when making big decisions. There’s a certain level of trust she’s given to me. I always consider her and make decisions by putting her needs ahead of my own. I always make decisions based the interest of the both of us and would never abuse that. She trusts me to do that. I also trusts that she would never abuse my love and kindness. I show her love no matter if I’m bitter and pissed off. If one of us messes up and doesn’t fulfill our role, then the other person still fulfills theirs. I don’t retract my love just because I’m mad and she doesn’t disrespect me or assume a dominant role when she’s mad at me. It’s a level of trust and works great. The modern approach to relationships is much more selfish in my opinion.

[Not_Average]

I also realize that she’s better at particular things than me so I’ll tell her to take care of particular things and make certain decisions having to do with our rental properties. I’m very busy, so she helps out a lot.

[Abtraction]

and women are ruining the world, feminism, filing divorces and ruining families, having kids with-out a father, separating fathers from kids, voting for socialism.

[Opinion Owner]

@Abtraction

[Abtraction]

I always do

[ThrowAwayx404]

Right, we want women back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. 🙄

Are you illiterate or just deliberately misrepresenting and lying about what’s being said here? Because when men aren’t saying that, but you insist that that’s what we’re saying, you only accomplish looking stupid…on purpose.

[ThrowAwayx404]

You need serious help. Please see a therapist.

[NotARobberYet]

From what I've seen, only white girls are trash. Girls of other races/ethnicities are okay.

[Anonymous]

I don't think trash is the right term for modern women. I think more appropriate terms are undesirable and unfeminine.

[Not_Average]

Sure trash is pretty harsh

[Opinion Owner]

It's a little harsh as a generalization. There are good women to be found. I know that because I know some really good women. There are definitely some trashy ones too, as there are trashy men. The world is just a fucked up place today. I have hope that things will improve at some point, but I'm not optimistic it will happen in my lifetime.

[ThrowAwayx404]

It’s not any worst than the things women say about men. Remember #MenAreTrash? That was all the rave and no one clutched their pearls the way we see when men speak up about women’s toxic behavior.

[Opinion Owner]

@ThrowAwayx404 I kind of agree with that.

[Anonymous]

No question. I'd go a step further and say most women are trash. I don't fully blame them most have no clue what a quality woman is anymore.

[VforVindication]

Yes, totally. Not worth a second of my or any man's time.

[OddBeMe]

If you think all one gender is alike you’re an idiot.

[Not_Average]

There are substantial differences between men and women in regards to our biological traits. These biological traits shape our societal roles. It’s illogical to suggest otherwise.

[OddBeMe]

Or do societal roles shape our views of women? There’s not much difference between the two in actuality.

[Not_Average]

It’s a combination of culture and biology, but culture is responsive to biology in a meaningful way.

[OddBeMe]

What about the ancient cultures that revolves around women?

[Not_Average]

Sure, there are particular / secluded parts of history in which we’ve seen culture cyclically rotate in a way where culture take precedence via the spectators perspective. I don’t know the details surrounding that point in history, but something I’d ask myself immediately if this were natural or in a sense manipulated and indirectly forced/influenced upon society through sustained efforts. I don’t think it’s logical to take a couple particular periods of time to validate this ideal that gender is a social construct. There are many variables to consider when studying history, and to suggest the conclusive reasoning as to why is because biological truths are null when cultural ideologies are present. It’s not binary. We need to look at all of history to get an accurate representation of what’s what. We also need to look at the science. If you ever get the chance, I’d make an appointment with an endocrinologist just to look at your hormone panel. Ask him the differences between the male and female endocrine system and why hormones impact our behavior to such a great extent. It’s pretty fascinating tbh.

[sixtyeightplusone]

I agree with the pot completely and keep more of my own money and give elss to others because of it

[Anonymous]

Yes, many are. Certainly not all women though. We just have to search for the keepers

[Anonymous]

Without a doubt, yes.

[Anonymous]

I only think the feminists are trash.

[sheikalana]

50/50.