I have always been pro choice. I don’t see how someone can think they have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body especially if they aren’t the ones who have to raise it... and don’t get me started on the pro lifers who just say ship them off to foster care...
I understand why some people are pro life but as a rape victim, I couldn’t even imagine what life would be like if I would’ve gotten pregnant from that terrible situation I was put in. I’m definitely pro choice.
Voted Pro-Life. The British statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke wrote, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations." Therein lay the problem with laws that permit abortion on demand.
A society that premises its law as "Choice"- to use the locution of abortion rights advocates - effectively leaves open the question of the value of human life. It becomes not a standing principle, but a subjective judgment to each individual. In such a society, human life becomes not an end in itself, but mere instrument. Life becomes not an object whose preservation is the highest standard, but rather a convenience to be maintained or not according to the satisfaction of another's will.
We shape our laws and then our laws shape us - see also the civil rights laws of the 1960s which have effected a revolution in race relations. (The idea that a black man and a white man cannot sit together at the same lunch counter is as alien to this generation as Neptune. Yet in 1965 it was pretty much the norm.)
Inherent then in the pro-choice argument is the idea that life has no value save that which each person chooses to attach to it. It denies society any authority to make a collective judgment on such questions. Therefore, in this view, the law may not afford protection to life except at some arbitrarily defined (and inherently subjective) point.
This then conduces to an assertion of power over rights. Life is maintained not as its own end, but according to the will of the person who, effectively, controls it because they can. An ethic of convenience is established and it is a slippery slope on which to build a culture and a legal edifice.
Such a society will not value life that sees life as not an end, but as a means to some other end. Indeed, that is why at about the same time as the culture began to shift on the abortion question we also saw a rise in child abuse, spousal abuse, divorce, out of wedlock births and other social pathologies. These were not unrelated phenomena.
Aristotle said that the first questions of politics are, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?" The implicit answer of those who support abortion on demand is, in effect, that it is nobody's business. Predictable results follow. One cannot expect the society to absent itself from collective moral judgments on the value of life and then expect an ethical social order to result.
As far as politics and laws go, pro-choice, simply because women are still going to seek out abortions, might as well leave open a credible venue. Otherwise more women would simply die or be sterile if they were illegal and back alley.
In my personal life, I love making and raising babies, so pro-life. I already know that if me and my wife got divorced I'd be raising our kids, and I'm fine with that. Probably the most difficult part would be finding another woman and cementing that relationship with more kids lol
Truly though, it's an amazing thing to me, I know it's basic biology, but it seems like a miracle every time :)
Response to update: Interesting that most of the pro-choice votes are females. Only they are capable of understanding the need for a backup plan in case you just forget your birth control.
More like only their opinion matters because it's their body, their life vs a thing that is basically just a mass of cells at that point. Mens opinions are moot...
... Except in the movie Twins, where it's entirely up to Schwartzikegger. Only he may speak on such things.
@Daniela1982 I’ve literally used that same logic like if a drunk person kills the baby but she lives he still goes to prison for murder but if she was on her way to abort the baby what then?
@Jesus_is_the_guey On the way doesn't count. Just like a crook who gets caught and saying I was on my way to the police station to turn myself in. Yeah right!
@Daniela1982 because human law doesn't consistently display objectivity or rationality. If human law is always right and logical, then please explain these laws: www.criminaljusticedegreeschools.com/.../
These laws ask a question similar to yours, only it's "If women are human being with equal rights, then why are these laws still laws?": www.globalcitizen.org/.../
@BuckU it's just not her body- in her she carries part of her partners body- his seed and DNA- it does not belong to her and he has as much right to what your carrying inside you as you do. if it wasn't part of his body then how would the woman be pregnant.
@OlderAndWiser - backup for birth control? Are you stupid? Rape & incest isn't planned. And do you, "tough guy" actually have the balls to go through and raise a severely disabled child who'd never have a good life because of your selfishness?
@llcanon it's not just her body or his body... It's a whole new person being formed. Therefore, they both have no claim on it. Just like you wouldn't kill your own child just because they are yours. I'm not disagreeing with you. But, I'm saying that these women that would choose an abortion over years of happiness with their new child... It's honestly fucked up.
Pro choice. The answer is in the word "Choice". You can even compare "life" to "choice". I believe choice is more important than life.
There are over 7,000,000,000 humans on this planet, choking out other species, destroying their own environment, trampling on each other, selling each other into slavery, raping, murdering, torturing, and generally just being shitheads to each other. This is humanity. They are nothing more than animals, just like tigers, squirrels, chimpanzees, sharks, bees, ants, salmon, etc. The only difference is they have different adaptations giving them huge advantage over other species such as opposable thumbs, ability to remember/learn, and verbal communication.
I don't give two shakes whether another 385,000 babies are born today, or if it's only 384,998. Yes, I get the argument that every life is precious and important and a unique combination of its parents gametes. Disagree. Big whoopty do, there are trillions of possible combinations, but that doesn't mean I want to make them my neighbors.
What's more important than quantity, is quality. In an ideal world, human population would never exceed a billion. Other species would flourish, vast areas would be wild and undeveloped and free of human occupation with their concrete and coffee shops.
this?or more and more of this?
So spare me the "life is precious" arguments. It's not. It's cheap and degraded daily, even more and more as population continues to grow and people feel more and more alienated from each other, increasingly self-righteous about murdering others or denying them basic human rights.
I am pro-life , , , that's for me,,, but I'm also pro-choice and I will back any woman it wants to make that choice if all the circumstances are right I don't care who you are in this world it's your body it's your choice that's the bottom line it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks says or does there are moments in time or that has to be the hardest decision in this world and if a woman wants to make that choice I will back her play 100%.
I'm not going to judge somebody for doing what they think they need to do I'm not going to say it's right or if it's wrong for me I know the answers to that or I know my belief but it's my belief only , I can tell you something then I'm not proud of whatsoever I know a girl in the Philippines she's 20 years old she got pregnant she's not had any parents she's lived on her own for a very long time she has no money the guy who got her pregnant denied it also his parents did the same thing since I've known her all she's wanting to do his better herself be better than her mother she can't afford a doctor she can't even afford food she asked me for money so she could take a pill that would make her body deny having the baby I talked to her I explained every option to her. I explained what was going to happen after the baby was aborted I went over everything with her over and over and over her choice was she could not take care of baby she did not want to give it up for adoption she did not want to have this baby I gave her the money I didn't like the way that it was going to be done but that was her choice I did research on the pill that she was going to take and I told her is no guarantee did she might have to take more pills well that's what happened I had to send her more money because I did not want her to have that baby. putting the first pill pills in her body it is not working I sent more money she got more pills and she aborted the baby the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life she sent me a picture to prove it I was sick right then and there and I'm sick right now to even talking about it a month has gone by with the pills did to her body I don't know if she could ever recoup from she lost a lot of red blood count cells of course now I had to send more money because she needs vitamins and she needs to eat right foods to build up red blood count cells in in her body like I said this is disgusting to me but it is what it is it's her choice nobody else I am pro- life I am also pro-choice
I believe the blastocyst/egg/embryo/fetus has the potential to be a human life. And care should be taken to avoid pregnancy by using competent birth control.
The point is that a woman has to decide if she's going to stay pregnant due to her circumstances. There could be health circumstances but 99 percent of the time, the circumstances are economic and situational.
If a woman doesn't have the money, time and support to have a child and isn't old enough to manage it, and by and large the highest number of abortions occur in women around age 19, the second most common women to have abortion are middle class women around age 35.
In the first case it's likely inexperience and carelessness, in the second, more than likely failed birth control.
NO ONE chooses abortion lightly, as just another method of birth control, like the morning after pill. Every woman knows it's a potential life she's snuffing. Yet, they do it because they have other children to care for, are working two jobs, do not have a support system to make another child feasible, are in college, working or both. The list is long and complicated.
A salient point is that some religious groups expect a woman who DOES NOT want to either bear OR deliver a child to be an incubator for and presenter for someone else. And there is no guarantee that the baby delivered will get a permanent home, but may end up in the foster care system permanently, until they age out at 18. Most men in the national penitentiary system are from foster care. It's a terrible fate to dump an unadoptable baby into.
This is an amazing pressure put on very young, pregnant women; guilt. They feel guilty enough that they Got pregnant, now they're told they need to birth their baby to give to someone else. More often than not, those very young women decide to Keep their babies, spiraling them and their child into poverty because the mother never gets a good education or skillset to improve her and her baby's life.
In addition, it is only Before the childbirth that religious groups are interested in the pregnant woman and her child. Afterward there is no placing in housing, no continuing of the girl or woman's education, no financial support to get the woman back on her feet. This is the irony of the whole "protect the innocent." Children are innocent until they're young adults. They need extraordinary levels of love, care and education for all those years to be successful adults. \ Fifteen year olds who have babies and have no parental support, have a poor chance of giving their babies good support to grow up well. There need to be programs that address this: but religious communities don't have deep pockets to institute such programs and the government doesn't either. Foster care is all they've got.
Children are wonderful assets when their parents want and expect them. When grandparents are around and give them that extra loving they need and are there to take up the slack paid child care can't.
I've always found it incredulous that there are people who think it's their right to make that choice for the woman.
A man should never have any right to say "Hey that's my kid you're having. You are not allowed to get an abortion." What a ridiculous notion that is! If you're a guy that wants a kid, talk to your partner and if you're in agreement that you want a kid, it will happen. It's not your body or you pushing a kid out of your vagina.
Same thing with the government. How is it possible people somehow think the government should have the right to make the decision for you? Let's give a scenario: If a couple lives in a secluded area of the world. The girl gets pregnant and decides to abort it because either she can't financially sustain it or she's just not ready for the commitment. Is it suddenly everyone else's business to get involved in her life? Should they send helicopters over to the secluded area and force her to have the kid? No. The fact is, no one would even know and it's none of their concern anyways.
And then there's the whole notion people have that all life is worth saving. In that case, don't have sex because every time a guy cums those sperm cells are dying. Yes... all cells are alive by definition. No matter how small they may be, they are still life. Even if the kid has somewhat developed, it is still ethical to abort them because they have not experienced life at all and don't have the mental capacity at that time.
Not many women LIKE having an abortion regardless of the circumstances. They feel the most intimate with the life they are slowly nurturing.
And men that use the logic "A very small percent of pregnancies are from rape so there should be no reason for the woman to not have the kid. If she didn't want a kid she should have kept her legs closed." are idiots. If the guy can't respect the woman's choice to do what she wants with her body, he should put his dick away.
Twist: Abortions give you 3 days of continous, unrelenting orgasms -- That's why they stay in bed and avoid people and use the bathroom so much in that time.
See I choose in reality neither, but lean pro-choice. Why simply; because there are on both sides of the coin whether you’re pro-choice or pro-life major issues. First thing let’s start off with pro-life; because it’s just a shorter section to address. Often more than not the sentiment of pro- life is fine, But every so often we run into issues that are a little bit beyond those sentiments. For example what happens if somebody is raped and they are impregnated by their rapist should they be forced to have that child knowing that that child came about of rape. Also logically further down the line that child may be neglected due to the fact that they were a product of rape both by the mother and clearly by the father. Another good example against pro-life is what happens if someone finds out that they having a child it will kill them. At that point doesn’t it seem logical to say okay well will abort at the correct time so as to avoid those issues. As for pro-choice it sounds all well, and good, but the question is who the hell‘s choice is it is it the woman’s choice alone, and does the man have no say. The issue with pro-choice is that one party can be very wanting of a child, and the other party may not be as wanting. There’s no choice that allows either party to not be a parent except for abortion.
Then people claim oh well you can always waive your rights as a parent. The reality of that situation is that you actually cannot simply just waive your rights as a parent. In fact it is significantly difficult, and is a large tumultuous difficulty in which to attempt to waive your rights. In addition even if you waive your rights either party may still be legally found to need to provide child support depending on if the child is born regardless.
The reality is that we need a system that incorporates both in a fluid manner depending on the variables provable, and provided. Pro lifers win after the heart and the brain are working in unison, but before then it should be pro-choice, and both parents should have a say as to whether they want to actually be parents or not. The legal and financial responsibilities of doing so should always be taken into account.
For example say to people decide not to be parents and the female of the couple decides that she wants to have the child yet the male in the relationship says that no he’s not ready he doesn’t want to be a father. In that scenario I think that the male should be able to waive his rights of being a father, and not pay child support. However if that is to happen the state should give certain additional financial benefits to the mother who wants to keep her child.
The flipside is just as true; because what if the male Wants to be a father with all of his heart, and the female in the relationship doesn’t want to be a mother. In that case I think if she truthfully doesn’t want to be a mother then she should have the child, and immediately it will be given to the father, and at that point she can waive her rights and won’t have to pay for child support either. The father in that situation would be provided the same state funding as the mother would in the previous scenario.
Mind you all of this should happen within the appropriate time frame meaning before there is no other option, but to have the child. In addition we should still keep foster homes and adoption agencies functioning. However we need to invest more into certain portions of it so that way people don’t get overwhelmed by the amount of children they may be taking in for whatever period of time, but at the same time cannot take advantage of the children simply, And simply use them as a paycheck/ meal ticket.
I promise you state funded facilities, and people who run their lives via state funded programs don’t really live that great a life or even have that much that they can provide those kids in such desperate need of guidance.
All of that said we as a society need to start thinking of adopting over having children, we need to start getting are younger teens informed on sex properly, and we need to start dealing with the reality that young teenagers are having sex instead of trying to avoid it. The reality is that web as a society avoided it long enough and it’s lead to some serious baby boomer issues, and addition has led to younger and younger kids having children themselves.
Safety is about the things we do you watch the community together to enlighten the minds of one another, and the more we avoid the truths that plague our world The more and more we will be doomed to repeat those same issues and problems. Sexual education needs to be stepped up, sexual protection needs to be cheaper and more accessible, and pregnancy protection needs to be more readily available to those who are in reality more susceptible to being or becoming pregnant so teens basically. That in addition with investing more money into state funded structures in very specific ways, and making sure that state run facilities are being provided what they need to have, and even beyond that so that way children don’t have to suffer at the hands of abusive foster parents or Orphan facility management take advantage of children for the sake of their own avarice. If everyone in those facilities or state programs gets paid well, and provided the real necessity is not simply the necessities dictated by the state then we can begin to fix those issues; because there would be no need for the greed that plagues those people, and as a society we’d be able to put in place checks and balances so they could not abuse the system for their own benefit.
So In summation although your question was only directed towards pro-choice or pro-life matters there are so many things that go into those two subjects both in the forefront, and the background that need to be addressed so those two issues themselves can; become obsolete, and new room can be made for a realistic, better, and more structured solution to the issue.
All having been said that is my true opinion on the matter in its fullest. I hope to the best of my ability that I have answered your question in full.
I don't think that life begins at conception, but I also think it's safe to say getting an abortion 8.5 months into a pregnancy isn't really any different killing it 2 weeks latter when it's born. Somewhere in between the baby/fetus (however you want to refer to it) gains enough humanity that it has a life independent of that of the mother carrying it. I'm not sure where that is, and I quite frankly don't think anyone has a good answer. The lines people typically draw for when that point is are often either too extreme and emotion driven to be convincing or very artificial and seem to be largely based on guessing. However, if I'm going to lean towards one side it's going to be the pro life side. If I'm going to be morally wrong I'd much rather be morally wrong in that I unjustly denied women access to a certain form of birth control. I would much less want to be morally wrong in that I advocated for the murder of children. Both are bad, but one is clearly freaking ton worse than the other. I'm glad I never had to deal with a situation where I was pushed into having to consider abortion. My first two kids were planned. When I had my twin boys it was a total surprise, but after thinking about it I actually decided I was happy about it.
I am pro-choice. Under no circumstances should a woman ever be forced to give birth. A woman should have the choice to abort or not to abort. Until the baby is able to live without requiring the mother's body for survival, the fetus is nothing more than a temporary body part, not unlike a sperm cell or egg cell. This is because a fetus is a developing baby rather than an actual baby. No guarantee exists that the fetus would finish developing, as miscarriages are possible. Stillborn births are also a possibility as well. Sometimes, women with certain medical conditions, such as diabetes for example, are more likely to die after giving birth. Thus, if a woman finds out that she is more prone to death after childbirth, then she should definitely be entitled to an abortion to save her life. People also overlook the existence of unwanted pregnancies through rape and/or incest.
A rape victim might not have the means mentally and/or financially to raise a child that she didn't plan. Thus, the best option might be to abort the child. Also, if she was raped by a family member, then the chances are great that the child could be born with deformities and several other negative birth conditions. Thus, it's better to abort the fetus to spare the would-be child from further suffering. Some people might say that women that get abortions because of rape and incest are rare, but the truth is we don't know for sure. For all we know, abortions from rape and incest could be more common than we think, but simply go unreported. Additionally, outlawing abortions would not prevent women from getting abortions. Women could still get abortions in the black market, which is unsafe and could possibly result in more health problems. Thus, the best option is to give women the chance to abort legally in safer conditions.
Their is no such thing as pro choice. You had a choice and you chose to get pregnant. That isn't pro choice that is pro abortion and anti responsibility.
As for why its mostly males, well that is simple, we are taught from birth to be responsible for our actions while women are taught from birth that they are never responsible for their actions. That is why so many women are pro abortion, because it lets them be irresponsible and avoid having to suffer the consequences of their bad choices. Men don't get that luxury, that is why almost all women who are pro abortion are also pro child support because again, its not about choice its about avoiding responsiblity. She can escape her responsibilites if she wants but he never can because that would mean she would have to suffer the consequences of her actions.
Also yes men don't give birth that is correct, they are only the ones that the entire world tells them to sit their and watch as their child is murdered before their face and they are not allowed to stop it, a personal hell for most men as we are wired to protect our families and when it comes to abortion the government and women won't let us protect our own children.
So I'm pro life because I believe in being a responsible adult and I am also not a sociopath that would bring lie into this world only to murder it.
Two reasons for me being Pro choice. I can't imagine a kid going through all the shit they might have to if the parents just had to have them without any intention or planning. If they are not ready, no one should force them to raise a child. How about someone hands me a kid while I'm at the mall talking a walk, and tells me to raise them. Not an equivalent situation, but most people in this situation are themselves too young and uncertain to have this resposibility. Secondly, I forgot the second point I had in mind. I am sesitive to this topic. Where I come from, I don't know about other places, rape is a problem. And I have seen 15 year old rape survivors , 23 weeks pregnant, appealing in court for an abortion, and they are not given that option due to whatever fucking reason. I rarely cuss. But what the fuck is that. She should have the first right to decide on what should be done, and it was a failure of the government and society that she had to go through this. So she should get full medical and financial support to abort. Bottom line is, I AM PRO CHOICE.
Pro choice is pro life, life positive, a humane treatment of life. A mother shouldn't have too go three days at a time without food or work itself nearly to death if she's a single mom who always a teenage mom but my mom did and the option of having abortion would have been a better choice for her at that stage in her life meaning that she was in high school and she had me. Things turned out okay but it required a lot of sacrifice and a lot of hardship for both of us to get through it and that should not be forced to require of anyone. People call themselves pro-life are hypocrites there's nothing pro or life-affirming about pro life it's sadistic restrictive fascist thinking. Any legislation resulting from that type of thinking does not belong in this country, and neither do the people who push that agenda. If people have a problem with abortion, then they should be focusing on preventative approaches to unplanned teenage pregnancy, not on punishing teenagers and putting them in situations where they may end up having to risk their lives in illegal abortion procedures. Pro-choice advocates are trying to outlaw abortion, and these people are scum. If there is a hell, than there's a special place just for them waiting.
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I would say pro choice, but I think there should be more emphasis on a man's choice too, even if that's a case that if a man is dead set on not having kids he should get a vasectomy.
My partner is against abortions, but is also of the mindset that getting a vasectomy should be a joint decision and isn't something that she wants me to go through with.
So where does that leave me as a guy who doesn't want kids? Either get a vasectomy anyway and be the bad guy for over ruling what is supposedly a joint decision, use contraception that isn't 100% effective and risk her getting pregnant, which she will then want to keep as she is against abortion.
Then that means either me being the bad guy for wanting her to get an abortion, being the bad guy for not wanting to remain in a relationship where we have a kid I didn't want. Or just spend the rest of my life unhappy because we have a kid I dont think I can cope with.
Dont get me wrong I'm not saying it would be a challenge with just one kid, but she has two from past relationships, one of which has autism, they're enough of a handful as it is.
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I believe in Plan B. If I feel like I might be pregnant the next day and I did not take enough precaution I will go buy Plan B. I have done that 2x my entire life. My friend, whom I told this to, was very against this. I don't think there is anything wrong with this. IT is just another cautious form of birth control. LIke making sure you did make him wear a condom and pull out and maybe was on the pill.
Now if the baby is already like a couple weeks old then I would not terminate it, as in abortion or abortion pill. I will have the baby. I am in a position where I can have a baby and not be afraid that I won't be able to take care of it. I have never been in that kind of position, where I felt having the baby would take my life away from me.
I know there are women in many situations where they had felt that they had to get rid of the baby because the timing was wrong, or it was with a bad partner who didn't want the kid. My mom had a few abortions and so did my sister in law. I NEVER considered an abortion for any of my 3 live birth pregnancies.
i always say that when all the living is done her and one stands before their maker then there all will be brought to the light of his truth and justice. I know if a woman read the word she most likely would not have the abortion. i myself when i was a younger man would always ask a young women when i was single and dating a single woman if she ever had a abortion and if she did i would NOT see her again-to me it means she lacks in humanity and character and even still today at 65 I ask single woman whom i am considering to date if she believes in abortion and if she does i don't see her again and i have also began asking women if they are liberal or conservative-liberal women usually support abortion and to me lacks in character. See what young women don't know yet is that men are starting to get wiser in our selection of women to date. Age usually makes one wiser
Honestly yea your right we men won't know what it's like to have kids. However does that mean the women are the only one's who get to choose what to do with their kid? Some would say no some would say yea. Personally I am both to some extent. Would I used it? Honestly I don't know. Would I want my girl to use it? I don't know However babies, mothers and fathers are very important. If one person gets to choose what they do with a baby that's not 100% theirs to begin with ( Sex is needed to make kids ) than why should the mother have 100% choice when it comes to aborting it? Yea my body, my choice and your correct so men why not say my sperm my choice. Ladies you aren't gonna lose or win this battle, same goes with men. In the end, its your call and you will face the problems that come later. So if you want to get a abortion and your boyfriend doesn't than break up with each other. Most women would do it anyway even if the guy said no so I don't know why you ladies even ask. Not like any of you actually care what men (who you say have no right to the child ) opinion is anyway. Sooner or later tho men may stop wanting to have sex with real women. Eventually men may start looking for different ways to get off that won't change pregnancy and therefore any women who is pro choice won't have to worry. You won't get pregnant because no one wants you and therefore i wish you the best of luck
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A couple of comments. First, in your update you seem to suggest men are more pro life than women, which is not true. Every study or poll shows views on abortion don't differ much at all between men and women.
Secondly, what do you mean by "pro choice"? I support both a woman's and a man's right to choose whether or not they want to be a parent. Women should have the right to an abortion, and men should have the legal right to choose to "abort" their obligations as a parent, financially and otherwise. That's the only fair pro choice solution, but it would require some changes. A man would have to make his decision to "abort" early enough in the pregnancy that the mother can still safely have an abortion if she wants to having been informed of the father's choice. But if the mother does not notify him in time, he should have the option of "aborting" within a set time period after being notified.
It’s true that it’s only pro choice for the women, makes me sad when men want to keep the baby and the women don’t expect when guys try and trap a woman.
As for myself, I believe ALL human life is sacred. Do I believe there are certain situations in which it is warranted? Yes. Do I believe it is right to have an abortion because it is inconvenient to be pregnant? NO. There are far too many couples who are unable to conceive, that would love to adopt an infant and raise it as their own. And there are consequences for having an abortion. I have had friends who had an abortion and spiraled into depression afterwards. On even tried to kill herself. They were pro-choice and felt they were doing the right thing at the time. Sometimes, even a miscarriage can have long lasting emotional consequences, and it was not even their fault. This tells me that there is something hard wired into us as human beings, that speaks to us inwardly about the sanctity of life. As to your comment that all pro choice votes have been male, I would point out this IS a girls ask guys forum, not a girls ask girls forum. There have been only 52 female respondents to a 110 male responses. There may yet be some females brave enough to vote pro choice, as more responses come in. I was in the military, and I will continue to defend your right to express your opinions. I believe when a lady is faced with that decision, there should be counseling, and an unbiased presentation of both sides of the equation, so she can make an informed choice, based on ALL the facts and the emotional consequences of whatever decision she makes. I think far too many decide to have an abortion because they feel they have no other choice, and were never presented with alternatives or having them explained to them. In the case of my friends, who had an abortion, over half of them said that had someone taken the time lay this out for them, they would NOT have had the abortion.
I am a female pro-lifer. Even though I personally have no children, my older sister is married with a child, and I was present at her birth. Thus, I am perfectly aware over how difficult the childbirth process can be. Even so, that doesn't justify harming a potential human. It's a question of ethics.
I believe one way to bring both the pro-life and pro-choice camps closer is by promoting effective contraception. After all, one thing both sides can agree on is that there should't be any unwanted babies.
To all the my body my choice people, I really hope that something not so pleasant will happen to them during the abortion procedure. A bit like it happened to a leader of the pro-choice movement of some european country these last weeks.
Kind of seems like leaving some corpses on the way is the only way for this kind of people to understand reason. Use fucking contraception or keep your damn leg closed, if you don't want to have children, for fuck's sake. At the very least we all know the social extraction of those who are pro-abortion. Less of them will do the world good.
@BuckU And I'll tell you more, I'm becoming a father in the first months of next year! Tell me how many potential lives will be in your trash bin by then, ok? You have fun now.
Pro life. I feel like people in the future are going to look back at this period with disgust. Religion aside, it’s morally wrong to just kill or stop an innocent life because you’re too irresponsible to use a condom or use the variety of birth control options. If you were that irresponsible, then take some accountability and have the baby. It’s just a really strange concept that the bad people in this scenario are the pro lifers lol. If you take a step back, it’s just kind of twilight zone sort of scenario. They’ve made it about women’s rights instead of the fact that you’re ending or stopping an innocent life due to irresponsibility.
I think pro life and pro choice is the same thing. How is not making the best choice for the mother, not making the best life choice for all parties? I think that we as a society need to just butt out of this one. We have no idea what that 15 year old feels... father takes off... parents kick her out... friends stop talking to her. To force a child not yet done growing themselves to carry and raise a child? Or carry and give child away? Unless you have been in a possiton like that... having to make the ultimate choice. We should just step back and give the love and support most of these women need and deserve. Instead of the chastising ridiculing and judgmental views we lay upon them.
I'm actually against the phrasing of those two options. I believe that when you say pro-life you automatically making assumption that somebody who doesn't believe that the government should have a say in what a woman can and can't do with her body necessarily is against life and I don't find that to be the case. I have a moral objection in my own life to abortion I believe that life begins in conception but I also believe that we answer to one God for the decisions that we make on this Earth and that it's not my place or anybody else and certainly not the government's place to judge a woman for a decision that she made like they have a god-given power to do so.
When abortion isn't legal, it still happens, but it becomes a black market, often unsafe and unsanitary procedure, which threatens the life of a woman.
Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term can also threaten the life of the woman. That woman may also be the sole provider for other children, who would become wards of the state if the woman lost her life due to complications that could have been avoided through abortion.
Denying women access to abortion is gender discrimination. Restricting access to abortion denies women access to a procedure that can reduce exposure to health risks that are not experienced by men.
When a pregnancy is unwanted, forcing a woman to carry it to term can take a heavy toll on her physical and emotional well-being.
Denying the right to abortion removes a woman's power to make decisions about her own body, her family planning, and health care. Governments should play no role in making that decision for her.
I'm not into politics. I don't care what others say because I don't give a rats ass. I'm pro choice. The reason why I say that because I am one of those women who chose to make a decision of my self to know what is better for me. If I'm prolife and I got pregnant when I was 16. I wouldn't be able to finish school, and I know I won't be having a career. That's my choice the way I see myself. Nobody can control my life. I have two older sisters who are pro life. I've seen their struggle but they made it happen. I wouldn't be able to do what they have done. I got major respects on them because the were young and became moms at a very young age. I believe girls and women who are old enough to know better can make the decisions of their own body. Men can't tell u what to do, not even religion, society and etc. U are u. U know what's right and what's wrong. U can make ur own choice.
Will have to go with pro choice. It should not by any means be accepted as a... trivial matter - but in a number of cases a desperate woman may end up, it is far better to end a fetus's life than to cause lifelong suffering for at least the mother and that (future) living being. Rape, disease, lack of basic living conditions - or simply pregnancy with someone other than her partner (many women consider it their right to fuck multiple people - in secret while fooling someone they are together - they call it hormones but it is really a form of macbethian madness - if she falls pregnant like that it us better to abort than to cheat a man it us his child - those who have given birth that way look visibly guilty and defensive about it)
I would like to consider my self Pro-Female Rights.
I do consider the situations on both sides, and I grew up in a Catholic family background.
I personally feel it's a Woman's Right to Choose what she and/or possibly her partner decide together to do? It's her body, not the public community's. What decision can she and possibly her partner live with? It's between them and possibly their religious beliefs. If it's just her, then again what can she live with, knowing she is terminating her child"s life.
I and "no one else" have the right to force someone to do anything that they are not ready to accept for them selves.
I'm pro life. Abortion is not a means of birth control. This person made a choice. They have a responsibility.
Stop. If only Abortion was limited to rape. It's numbers would decrease by a magnitude.
What if she's raped? Why punish the child? Why confound the trauma with knowing you needed a life?
Honestly I do not care about the mothers opinion. In this nation we belive people have a right to life and the pursuit of happiness.
What about to save a mother's life? This is the 1 instance I can see it.
However a 20 year veteran Abortion doctor said the number of those Abortions with technological advances now is extremely low.
The only excuse is people do not value the lives if their children. And want no consequences for their actions. Hence vast majority of Abortion is used as birth control. Really I couldn't give Lee's of a shit if you want it or not once you made it you make a choice you live with it.
It’s a double edged sword since on one hand you’re demanding someone go through pregnancy (which is absolutely hell ) and then have the responsibility of having a child which is enormous on the other hand like it or not abortion is murder the heart beat starts at about 6 weeks so in order to abort the baby you must snuff out his/her life which stops his/her heartbeat also like it or not actions you have made had led you there I can’t just do whatever I want and bail out on the consequences because I don’t like them I also can’t go around murdering anyone I deem unworthy of life or a nuisance to my quality of life i can see both sides of the argument my wife’s 7 months pregnant and she’s been so strong I admire her and admit I wouldn’t be as strong as her to be able to put up with all of that however me and my wife would side with pro choice at the end of the day.
The wording of this oft repeated question is interesting, in and of itself. Why not just call it "pro-life" or "pro-death", because that's what the one view is REALLY saying. Why isn't it "pro-abortion" or "anti-abortion*", with an asterisk? There are still some people who deny a woman an abortion EVEN IF the child is diagnosed with Tay Sachs Disease - go figure.
The wording presumes that "life" begins at fertilization, not just at implantation. This discussion will never, ever end.
Somewhere in between. I support early-term abortion and oppose late-term abortion, and highly suggest people err on the side of caution and avoid mid-term abortion. (I'm pretty close to definitively opposing mid-term abortions, too)
And I don't think giving birth, having the ability to do so, or having done so in the past, is that relevant. People's perspectives shouldn't change based on how inconvenient a baby is to someone. You shouldn't be like "I think theft is wrong but if not robbing someone is inconvenient to you, then I'll let it slide."
I'm pro choice, y'know your body your choice. I'm can get behind that but if were trying to be fair then I must support financial abortion for men. If a man does not want the child or to be a father but a woman does he should be able to financially opt out.
I can't help but laugh at men that are pro life😂 like trust me y'all have no idea how difficult pregnancy and raising a child is. If they did they would definitely have a different opinion about abortion. No one needs to be forced to be pregnant and give birth if they dont want to.
I am pro choice because I was 19 when I got pregnant and in college. I was with someone who did not care about me at the time and I was scared. Looking back on it now it has been the best choice I have ever made. I lost my job recently due to covid and I am broke and living in a studio apartment. I barely have enough money for food for me let alone another person. That is no place for a child to be raised. And if you think otherwise that is your opinion and I respect that.
I don’t think that the decision is an easy one. I used to be Pro Death. Then I saw how far out states and morons have gone. Killing a kid that’s born? That’s just insane ! I’m sorry for your loss. I’m very aware that your choice will always weigh heavy in your mind.😘
Please stop calling it that. Considering I was raped at the time and I made the right decision for me. I am now still in college and could not have done that if I had a baby. I want my kids to have the best start in life and not come into this world not being wanted and unloved
You know , when multiply all your wrong irresponsible behavior and take full responsibility for your own equities , you no longer will be left with a perspective thats wrong anylonger. No more exuses that go around the hurdle to convince yourself wrongs are rights. That's inside the box looking out. Instead join the perspective that's not an exuse and endeaver through it honestly and earnestly. That's outside the box looking in. Everything that's happened to you is because your playing the victim card and not forgiving the other person. So instead you are left with carrying the bourdon.
I know that you hate to think of it that way , but it’s not Pro Choice.. it’sPro Death and that will never change. That’s just a nicer way to call it so you don’t think about the Truth. Read what I’ve written, you’ll see what I said, about rape.
@Djaay Yes because I was raped when I was walking home from work and it is my fault. I was on birth control and the were not wearing condoms. I was grabbed and raped and left in an ally and it is my fault
But I wanted to lose my virginity to someone I loved. I wanted to plan my kids and get married so they can have a happy home. Again my kids deserve better than what I can give them right now
I understand. My sympathy is towards you dear. But truthfully , step away from those who palagerize themselfs with caos and remember that you are your own fortune cookie. A lot of times you are the only one in your own way to success. Never give up your dream. Work hard at it and keep going with perseverance and a straight perspective. Your step ×step achievements create your confidence.
This is the last time I am replying to anyone because this is ridiculous how much I am getting hounded for a choice I made! So please stop going at me because I shared my experience with you all. It was traumatic enough and then I found out I was pregnant. I was 19 and very scared and alone. And yes I forgive myself and the people who raped me. Amen 🙏
Pro life people say they’re prolife when most of them only care for the unborn baby than the mother. I think it’s horribly hypocritical because when these babies are born to bad home situations, these prolife people suddenly turn around and hate them.
I'm against criminalizing abortion and pro-choice in law but pro-life the other way. If that seems confusing, I'm against criminalizing narcotics, but support discouraging their use. I think it's more productive to rehab a heroin addict than to lock them behind bars. I also think it's more productive to educate and discourage unwanted pregnancies than it is to lock women up behind bars who seek to abort.
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If it's a personal decision that I'm a part of I'd generally err on the pro-life side.
If it's a matter of public policy (should abortion be legal to those who want it) I'd be on the pro-choice side.
As a jurisdictional matter I'm for individual states making the determination as to whether or not abortion should be legal and what limits are on it, rather than a one-size-fits-all federal determination.
So basically, I think either one is fine as a matter of policy and individual electorates should determine what's allowed, though personally I would advise against it but would also vote to keep it legal.
Pro choice. Abortions have been steadily going down with more investment with sex education and avaliable birth control including abortion availability.
Pro life is only about punishment and wanting people to suffer. No actual solution to a problem people face. To the point where rape victims have to marry the assailant. That goes back to Bible belt in America. It's the way to protect the sanctity of virgin marriage for the church.
i'm pro choice when it's 1 trimister... when it's in the 7-10 months yes there 1 state that let's you bring the baby back and they kill it for you 1 month after it's been born... that's why there a debate... if they kept it at 1-3 months everything would be fine... but it's not.
"Pro Choice" = RESPONSIBILITY for YOUR fertility BEFORE unintentional conception!
"Pro Life" = Intrusive busy-bodies PERSONALLY affirm that THEY will MATERIALLY $$$ and PSYCHOLOGICALLY nurture... abandoned orphaned infants til legally deemed 'adults'~
It's such a complex issue, but many pretend it isn't and think that you can only ever be either 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'. I've changed my mind on this so many times I've lost count. There are arguments both for and against abortion, and we'll be discussing this topic well into the rest of the 21st century. We're not going to settle it here, that's for sure.
Currently I'm pro choice but that may change once we perfect the artificial womb.
Currently they have incubated mice to complete term before ending the experiment.
My criteria for this is viability. If the entity can survive outside the womb (1% survivability) it shouldn't be terminated. Once this technology is perfected the calculus changes to who pays for the service.
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I think everyone should be sterilized at birth and can only apply to have children after a certain age. At which point they take a test and are assessed, just like a driver license. Given the state of the world over population pollution and destruction of ecosystem it’s time we treat human life as we claim to treat it “sacred and valuable” sacred and valuable things aren’t created in a bathroom club high on ecstasy with a stranger. But that won’t ever happen and it makes me sound crazy so I’ll just say I’m pro choice.
I love babies too, but don't you think the consequences of forcing a mother or parents to have kids is actually counterproductive? The child may be brought up in an abusive due to parents not wanting them or could be forced to be put up for adoption - leading tax dollars/state to take care of them. Although, if I'm right, I don't like the fact that the male has absolutely no say - even if they're married.
@Inbox We have birth control, EVERYTHING, there's no excuse to having a baby because you made a mistake. And even if you did have a baby, you do not get to kill it. You're a monster. Abortions are mostly done by feminists who are irresponsible anyways. I don't think we should make the exception for 0.001% of those cases where rape happens or whatever, because you end up normalizing it for anyone.
@Inbox And people complaining that we have enough people in the world. Why is immigration allowed? Plus, at least immigrants have better morals, they have more children than Westerners.
Cut my tube? So you'd take that risk of having a child grow up in an abusive relationship or put up for adoption? Would you pay for them? Additionally, if someone raped you, could you look at your child who is a constant reminder of such trauma?
@Inbox I mean if you don't want kids, get a vasectomy or whatever then. And, again, rape cases are so rare for abortion. Stop making it seem common, it's not. Literally, people are always bringing up the rape case.
I'm not making it common, you are assuming I am. Moreover, it was you that actually brought up the rape argument LOL. Let be very clear, as someone who studies history extensively - no policy, technology, ideologies, politics, etc are ever 100% perfect.
The weaknesses in these policies ALWAYS cause some form of collateral damage. If the collateral damage is significant enough and persists long enough, it through that collateral damage that the seeds for the next revolution are planted.
Now, you can ignore all the "minor" possibilities, but in the end, if that was you or me? Moreover, you can bet that some politician is also going to use that collateral damage to get votes, then comes the angry whiny Feminists. To make the best policy, we have to include all possibilities that we humanly can.
With my POV, it naturally provokes anti baby killers like you, and I understand that argument. The irony however is that prior to the early 1930s in America, abortion was legal and not even a moral issue as crazy as it sounds. It's a matter of choosing the lesser evil, but as always, that is up to the eye of the beholder.
And that's completely fine. All that I ask is you keep a more broad, long run, and consequential POVs for any policies or beliefs - something which the piss poor excuse of US journalism no longer does (CNN, Fox, New York Times/Post, The Hill, Washington Post, etc). It's SAD that as an American born, 90% of my news sources comes from outside the USA... SMH. They're one of the main reasons why America has become drunk on division and extremism.
Pro-life. Her choice was whether or not to have sex. You have sex, making a baby is a possible consequence. Why punish the baby for your choice to kill it? It has been proven that babies can feel pain as early as 1 month into the pregnancy. Even in the case of rape, it is not the child's fault and there is always adoption. If you do not want a baby, close them damn legs.
@likelyOK Many of us were given a chance at life by our parents. So pay it forward. If someone doesn't want kids then they can get their tubes tied and still fuck to their heart's content and not have to worry about condoms or birth control.
Pro choice but only if there's a reason. If it's like that some irresponsible adult forgot to put on the condom or forgot to take birth control then I'm not gonna like that person. I wouldn't say anything because until a certain period of time the fetus is considered an alive human but I would still dislike that person. I don't know but I can't just convince myself to not dislike such an irresponsible person. I wouldn't call the person a murderer but probably wouldn't like her as a person either. Not that I'm telling young women in their 20's to become mothers without being ready for it but for being irresponsible I'm really gonna hate the guy and the girl.
By reason it's obvious that I meant if a bad incident happened or if continuing is endangering the girls life. And I didn't tell irresponsible people to not abort but I have the right to dislike them. They don't really deserve any kind of sympathy for their irresponsibility
I’m definitely pro life because abortion is violence, violence is murder and murder is hatred. Abortion has never been a choice! It’s escaping the consequences of YOUR choice by taking away the choices from ANOTHER HUMAN LIFE! Abortion has and never will be a choice. Defund abortion clinics! Defend unborn babies!
Pro choice. It's your body. There are too many variables for dudes to try and tell you what to do with your body. They aren't paying or doing shit for you but shaming you. People are too nosey nowadays. i believe there should be counseling of you are unsure but if you're mind is made up... do you.
I am pro life. I think the first question we need to ask is when does life began. Then go from there. The second point is I’m not for women having abortions out of convenience which statically most abortions are done. I’m not for them blaming men for getting them pregnant, but then the men have no say in how the child is treated. We don’t have any reproductive rights and it’s a double standard women love to keep but somehow want to be equals when it suits them.
@BuckU wow a typo from autocorrect. Good job not actually addressing anything of substance that I’ve said. So I’ll just ignore you for not actually having a logical response or refutation to my points. Also, I do have a degree, but I digress. You’re not worth my time.
If your pro-life... you are not allowed to eat (chicken) eggs every again. If you disagree on how this is any different than aborting a fetus, you need some education.
I’m pro mind your own business. If you’re gonna have an abortion idgaf, I’m not going to stop you. If you’re planning on not getting one, good for you. It’s none of my business, I don’t get why it’s such a big issue. I’m chill with either side as long as you’re not an extremist. If you’re pro life and you go out and protest and harass women, fuck you. If you’re pro choice and you’re having abortions every 2 weeks for the hell of it, fuck you. Other than that, I don’t care :)
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I’m Pro-Life but I sympathize with most women who feel they have to make that choice if their were not so many social pressures and financial issues, etc. What a can’t stand is a man who says they are Pro-Life but then shames or degrades single mothers can you say Hypocrite much.
I voted pro-life because that baby didn’t ask to get here. The condom could also have broken during intercourse. I know I’ll get downvoted, but that’s my stance. I know, too, that I’m not female and can’t have a baby, so my opinion doesn’t mount to a bill of beans as the saying goes; but that’s where I stand.
I´m pro life generally speaking because creating life is the consequence of engaging in coitus. If I´m not ready to have a baby I use condoms or different ways of getting intimate with her.
@NoManTwo that is bullshit, the man’s statement is responsible on the part of the man your statement only makes it sound as if the woman is responsible it’s a two person act unless she is getting it from sperm bank.
@likelyOK Thank you you understood right. I think it´s not only a woman´s responsibility to not get pregnant if she doesn´t want to but a man´s as well. It´s not like we guys are entitled to have sex and cum inside a woman. Yes a woman can say not if she doesn´t want to have sex but I think guys should be more aware of their doing and the consequences of it because sex isn´t everything you can do with women just because porn tells you.
Most people are pro choice because they are thought to devalue life from a young age. A child is safest in the womb of a mother, now imagine if you will, being the safest you could be, only to be ripped to shreds by the choice your mother made becuase she wanted to get fcked by 20 other guys
His right to decide ends when he won't put on a condom. And if the condom broke, tough luck. Don't put your penis in someone unless you're ready to face the possible consequences. Sex is for men, not boys.
It's also interesting that so many men claim that woman use abortion as a lazy alternative to birth control. Do you have any idea how painful and emotionally traumatizing it can be to go through an abortion? It's not something that women choose to do because it's "convenient". Because it's not. At all. It is not a pleasant experience.
Pro choice, but I am also of the opinion that (under normal circumstances) two people make the choice to have sex, so two people should have a say in the result. If the two disagree, whichever way, the baby should be born with the one that declined disavowing any rights to it. This is obviously not in cases of rape, or when there's high risk on the woman, in those cases it's all her. In other circumstances, you fuck it, you give it a say in what happens.
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