I dont understand the deal with getting guns via license It is not that difficult to get a license for it. Just dont be lazy. You also dont get a car without license. It should not be that easy to get it like buying food from supermarket since people will misuse it on accident and not everyone such as a psychopath, people with agression problems etc should get it.
So getting it via license is a good idea. Then there are so many americans that let their guns on places that their kid can reach it. It also can happen so fast and easy that someone get shot on accident. A person who exactly dont know how to use a gun in a proper way will be dead or abused by the criminal anyway since criminals will be very good at using guns. So a gun can't protect you and it even can sabotage you if you dont how to use it in a proper way. This is why a license is important again. And not all guns should be allowed. Why would anyone need automatic firearm for example? If you want to decrease the numbers of criminals the country should develop itself but since america is a "third world country with a gucci belt" I can understand why americans want to own guns so much since they dont trust their government. And what happen when you shot a criminal? Will you end up being in jail since it is difficult to prove whether you use unnecassary power aka murder this person or it was only self defence? I also think Europe should have looser gun laws. In germany, switzerland or other european countries taser, pepper spray, alarm weapons are not fucking allowed and if you hurt the criminal you commit crime even though it was self defence. They are fucking protecting criminals aka perpetrator. At least my country austria ain't that retarded and allowed taser, alarm weapons etc. And i also think minors who are 14-17 should be allowed to use guns to protect itself. I mean a minor can be raped, murdered too abd so they should be allowed to defend themself but unfortunately a minor is not allowed to use pepper spray, taser etc in austria.
If you want to reply to me, please be nice to me. I dont live in america and so i may not understand the situation there and therefore i may be very wrong. I also can't really speak for americans. This is just my opinion
I forget to say that guns like automatic firearms should not be allowed. For guns like alarm weapons, knife, tasers etc you should not need any license and for other guns you should need a license.
I austria we dont need any license for alarm weapons, tasers, pepper spray for example
I also look up the german laws. Sorry for misinformation. Tasers, pepper spray are allowed but you need license which is kinda stupid lol. You should not need license for things like that
They did not answere my question. Why tf can't you just get a license? I am not saying you should forbid but get a license. Only lazy people dont like it
By this logic driving car without license should be allowed too. Look at many european countries that has strict gun laws.
I only can understand citizens of shitthole third world countries since they can't trust the government
I also said that i can understand americans who want gun laws to an extent since it is Shithole country with shithole government
I agree with some points of hellionthesagereborn
Fuck yes! Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder sold guns to the Mexican drug cartel.
For fuck's sake, if the drug cartel can have them with the blessing of Obama, why shouldn't law abiding citizens have them?
Thanks for the MHO
Sure you have that right. You also have all the responsibilities that come with it. If you're a gun owner , that doesn't carry at least a million dollars of insurance (that's not a lot of insurance band it's not that expensive) , you're not being responsible.
Understand, most of my friends are ex or active duty military, they own firearms, none of them are dumb enough walk around with them like some 19th century cowboy.
If I see a guy walking around with a gun I would yell "he's got a gun!!" while running for cover. If this concerns you, makes you nervous about what a stranger would do if that happens. You know how everyone around the idiot with the gun feels!!!
I live in a big city, fire a gun and you'll probably hit someone, and it probably won't be what your aiming at.
Ever come home to a bullet whole in your bed because the guy in the apartment below accidentally fired a shot? Drywall doesn't stop bullets, a child's head in the next apartment might.
This isn't the old west and I don't want to live like that. Guns aren't for "defense" they have one, and only one use. Carry a gun, carry lots of INSURANCE because accidents with a gun isn't uncommon.
Context is important. A guy dressed in camo in a forest hunting deer doesn't concern me. The same guy in the mall is probably ready to go on a rampage. It's not my responsibility to give the weirdo mall gun guy the benefit of the doubt at the risk of myself or my family. I'm going to warn people while going for cover. If you can't go to a place where mom's with babies in strollers walk around without a gun, you should probably be on medication for paranoia. (And probably shouldn't own a firearm)
Half the people on the road shouldn't be driving, yet it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license... You really want that Walmart guy with no insurance, three teeth And five DUIs, who raises pit bulls for a living walking around with a gun?
Because those are the guys who do.
@slartybartfast Well said, and there is nothing to argue with, if a person is SANE, and believes in the 2nd Amendment, but not all the RADICAL ideas, around it.
I have a concealed carry permit, yet, I almost never carry. Why? I got the permit, to learn the laws, and "just in case", at some point, I needed it.
3 years now, and never seen a need to carry. Actually, I have never carried, in public.
But I LIKE THE RIGHT, that I CAN, and have followed the laws, and CAN do it LEGALLY, even though I choose not to.
Well one, we have constitutional carry because, well, the constitution. The problem is the government refuses to obey its own laws because well its the government. So I support legal laws (and yes, we have plenty of laws that are illegal).
Now do I support it personally? Absolutely. I think the idea that we would decide that every one is a criminal before they have broken the law to be pretty insane. I think its just as insane as believing that guns make people violent followed by the idea that by making something illegal you an stop criminals from doing it rather then just stopping law abiding citizens from doing it. Their is quite literally no argument that can be made that can explain the idea that we should ban guns, not a single one. So if law protects it, and logic protects it, and statistical data protects it (an estimated two million crimes are stopped per year by "good guys with guns"), and history shows its a bad idea (disarming the public leads to tyranny every time), then their is no argument to say that it would be a bad idea to have constitutional carry.
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Of course and hopefully all 50 states implement constitutional carry.
Nope. Matter of fact I want the second Amendment repealed, and all firearms BANNED except for military and law enforcement.
I want the 1st through 5th amendments ABOLISHED and replaced with a rational law.
Example:
1st amendment gives you a fake "right" to be a liar and a false prophet, as long as you don't get caught murdering or raping someone.
2nd amendment is directly responsible for about 99% of all MURDERS in the U. S. and has never once been scientifically shown to reduce the rate or murder or rape in the U. S. in fact, literally 99% of all CRIMES in the U. S. involve the perpetrator having a LEGALLY PURCHASED gun and the victim is never defended by some upstanding citizen with a conceal carry permit.
3rd amendment gives you a fake right to be a criminal as long as you don't get caught.
4th amendment gives you a fake right to be a criminal as long as you don't get caught.
5th amendment is a self-contradiction. When you take the stand, you take an Oath to God to speak the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but then they take the 5th to opt out of speaking the whole truth. This nonsense should be abolished.
The Declaration of Independence outlines both RIGHTS AND DUTIES, not just "rights", and just any CRAP you can conceive of is not a "God given right".
Women:
One of your GOD GIVEN DUTIES is to carry your child to term and raise your child and love your child. you do NOT have a god-given right to abortion, just as citizens do not and should not have a "god-given right" to carry firearms.
What is it with Christians are firearms anyway? Your God Jesus's disciples didn't carry weapons. Only simon peter had a sword among them, and that was borrowed from someone else, a nd then when he tried to use it in defense of Jesus, jesus turne daround and rebuked him for drawing a weapon.
Your Bible says elsewhere that the GOVERNOR has the power of the sword not citizens, and that citizens being afraid of the government is a GOOD thing.
The problem in the United States today is there is no law and no government and people do not fear rulers and do not fear God. That's why crime is out of control.
Guess what? Right and Wrong were never intended to be matters of popular vote. Democracy isn't about voting on what "good and evil are". Democracy is about voting on matters of administration. God already defined what Good and Evil are... and the Declaration of Independence says so.
the problem is the Constitution was written several years later by a different body of leaders and they rejected God, and the United States has gone the wrong direction ever since then... especially with gun violence. The U. S. has had more gun violence than very nearly any nation in the world history, and for what? 99% of that gun violence was preventable by simply banning guns, as it was perpetrated by thugs and outlaws who, if these laws had been written to make any sense whatsoever to begin with, these thugs never would have owned firearms in the first place.
There's a severe irony in the concept of having to pass laws at the state level in order to recognize a pretty crystal-clear amendment in the constitution of the federal government. There was not any limit to it whatsoever at the time it was written, up to and including the biggest and best cannons money could buy at the time.
That said, I agree with "constitutional carry," and if the federal government really wants to start nitpicking at the 2nd Amendment as it is written, then they need to go about through the actual process of amending the constitution. No doubt they could easily get enough support with the squishy and fake conservatives to make some minor changes, but it seems pretty obvious they aren't actually interested in doing things the "legal" way if they don't have to, and the argument against civilian ownership of weapons in actuality has little or nothing to do with public safety and security. If it did, they'd be focusing about 80% of their ban efforts on handguns, and at least pretend to take mental health seriously.
Not really. States have more power than the federal government. People created the states thus states are subject tot he people and states created the federal government, thus the federal government is subject to the states. When the federal government criminally violates the law of the land (The Constitution), it is the states duty to assert their authority over their sovereign territory and declare those rights in their own constitution. If the federal government breaches the compact (contract) among the states and the federal government, it is the states obligation to represent their citizens and stand up and say no to the federal government. So states passing constitutional carry within their borders makes perfect sense in response to the criminal actions of the federal government.
I think that bad people who want to use guns to shoot people, rob stores, etc. aren't going to be worried about gun laws in the first place. Just because you have a law saying they can't carry a gun doesn't mean they're not going to carry a gun. They're criminals. Doing drugs is against the law too but drug addicts do it anyways. Criminals are always going to find a way to do bad things whether laws are in place or not. Good people having the power to carry and protect themselves if something does happen only makes sense to me. I support it.
Exactlyyy. And let's not forget to give a nod to history and remember a certain country that thought they could violate our human rights with a tyrannical leader and the fact that our federal government has ensured that that can never ever happen again.
@Bean2thousand yea it's crazy to me that people think enforcing a law like that is suddenly going to make all of the violence go away because why would anyone break the law? 🤔
I think we should take all the violent people, give them guns, and relocate them in the homes of British citizens. LOL.
Gun is just a tool. To put this into context, right now according to FBI crime reports, you are more likely to die by baseball bat, than assault rifle, with the higher number attacks with baseball bat fatalities.
Most of the half who do get shot are associated or near gang fights and the war on drugs. Most of the other half are suicides, many caused by breakups and divorces. That leaves around 2,000 murders a year in regular citizen's. No ban on gangs, drugs or suicides will stop that carnage. we just have to face we live in a very violent society.
That said, for people in the know, understand that there are two nations operating as one. That said, people on the otherside of that want you dead or starving. Every American now has to understand people want to hurt you. Go it as it you like, it embrace the reality that again, we live in a damn dangerous place.
My state has had open carry for years, perfectly legal. We also allow conceal carry in schools and have for a very long time... guess what? no mass shootings have happened in schools. We also have universal carry long time before Texas... and people don't go around shooting each other.
All this fear that people have is bogus, if someone is going to shoot someone as a criminal they won't care what the law says.
I was personally attacked in a parking lot by a knife wielding guy who was attacking a lady. I hear yelling and calls for help just started walking over, not sure what was going on and he came at me and stabbed me. I had to shoot him or I'd be dead.
Constitutional or Open carry doesn't increase crime, it lowers it... who doesn't want to lower crime?
Wherever you see a large congregation of bikers with mullets mulling around with open carry, you don't see maladjusted horny Baptists taking out their aggression on Asian masseuses. You don't see gay Muslims taking out the anguish of their identity crisis on entire bars full of unsuspecting Hersheymen. You don't see gangbangers rallying for "black lives" while ruining everyone else's due to some demonic delusion of it all being a zero sum game. This happens in Cowardland, not Open Carry Country.
Even the MS13 headhunters and rapists are fewer to be found once you do away with Cowardland!
Which means the greatest enemy is none of the scum I listed above. It's neo-feudalist criminal feds, who enforce Clown World and Cowardland under the guise and color of law, to enslave the working class.
I think there should be a background check, and I would also be thinking there should be a TRAINING CLASS, like when it is LEGALLY OK to shoot, in Self-defense, and when it is not! Probably some kind of test, so idiots can't just carry. . .
Oh, wait, Criminal idiots don't obey laws, so adding more laws won't fix the problem, but rather just make it harder for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS to protect themselves.
Damn it!! If we could just get the Criminals to follow the laws!!! Or maybe enforce the 10,000 laws, already out there!!!
The think with "Gun Control Laws" is that you can pass a MILLION, of those, but those damn Criminals, they just don't obey them!!
And when you restrict the rights of legal gun owners, to protect themselves, CRIME GOES UP, because criminals KNOW your gun is unloaded, and locked up, so when they break in to your house, you can't stop them!!
It's interesting that an amendment to the US Constitution relating to guns was devised as a work around for disbandment of the US military en masse in 1783. Save a handful of guards at key places retained, it left the entire country undefended for a few years. The solution was the formation of local state militias which required the free ability to bear arms.
The thing was when the new and improved Army was formed, the temporary amendment to allow the carrying of guns was never removed. And since then has been has been used to excuse wholesale murder of so many people because folk don't have the will to control guns effectively.
As previously stated you got your dates wrong. There was no 2nd Amendment or even a US Constitution in 1783 since the 2nd Amendment wasn’t ratified till December 15, 1791.
Also realize the concept of the right to keep and bear arms wasn’t novel in 1783 at all. It was established in English law dating back to the enactment of the Assize of Arms in 1181 which stated all free men would have access to weaponry for the purpose of self defense as well as defense of the kingdom. This concept wasn’t even novel then the earliest reference to an armed population that I’m aware of if Aristotle. I’ll note that his mentor Plato favored no public access to arms to support public order. So this debate over the right to keep and bear arms has been going on literally for thousands of years.
Their has been much debate in the 20th and now 21st Century about the intention of the 2nd Amendment. Was it suppose to confer a personal right to keep or bear arms or a state right to organize a militia.
The Court has settled that for now, it’s a personal right. I know many disagree, I think if they studied the founders writings impartially they’d have to admit they’re wrong but I also admit that the founders had limited exposure to the concept of a modern firearm too.
There was a few repeating muskets and rifles including a design presented to Congress during the revolution that was rejected due to costs. So they had some idea that weapons could and would evolve to become more accurate and with higher capacity.
In the end it came down to the experiences that they lived through. Experiences that no American today can ever claim to understand whatsoever. They spent 8 years fighting for independence from a tyrannical government.
They had no delusions that a republic was incapable of being tyrannical. They knew that tyranny is always possible. They also knew that no system no matter how well designed to separate powers was immune from corruption or tyranny.
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The Second Amendment was created specifically because North Carolina refused to ratify the new Constitution and accept the creation of a federal government without a guarantee that this new government would respect and uphold individual and states rights.
The idea of keeping arms in self defense was already a long established right. In fact it was ultimately the British attempt to violate that right at Lexington that stated the war.
While yes, the prefatory clause of the Amendment states that a well regulated (which doesn’t mean enacting huh laws but being well equipped and having good military discipline) militia is critical to the state’s defense. It doesn’t grant the state the right to keep and bear arms though. It grants the people the right to bear arms. Nor does it grant the people the right to bears arms when called to service for the militia.
I’m sorry you can’t admit what you said there was no 2nd Amendment in 1783 nor was it created to deal with a disbanding of any military force ever nor was “the Army” disbanded in 1783 either.
The Continental Army was disbanded in 1783 but the First and Second Regiments of the Continental Army went on to become the Legion of the United States in 1792 when the federal government was formed by the Constitution.
This body was replaced in 1784 by the United States Army which has existed continuously till the present.
If you are trying to say the US has no standing Army from 1783 to 1792 that’s correct but it had nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. It had to do with the fact the Articles of Confederation which was our first national constitution created in 1777 which required any act of congress to have unanimous consent of the states and gave congress no means to legally enforce anything it enacted.
I own a couple of "weapons" myself, not a firearm, though. I say if Europe can have firearm restrictions and still have low criminality, the US can do it too. Not a big fan of seeing "not so developed" people carry guns around. By that, I do not mean Americans, but rather some individuals.
There was a ban on weapons (katanas etc) in Japan during the Boshin war. People were reluctant and argued just the same as Americans do now - voilà, they have a stable and peaceful country. Americans even made them ban their martial set schools after WWII.
If you want a weapon, get a license. My opinion, would be glad if saw only constructive criticism down below.
@Celtero Where have I said the crime rate in the US is higher than the one in Europe? I'm talking about the argument that it might get higher if you ban weapons due to lack of intimidation.
Guns making you safe is a complete myth, it does the opposite. Only Americans thinking only their country exists, or that it is the greatest on Earth (seriously? There are so many places with less poverty or more chances for you to have a fulfilling life than the US, like almost any European country or their neighbor up North), believe that.
Heck, just look around. Is there a country where more people per capita get killed by guns than the US? (I mean, democratic countries) In Japan, it is incredibly hard to get by guns, you have to be in the police or a Yakuza, basically. People getting killed by guns usually belong to these 2 categories, meaning it is a very safe place for the general population. Madmen who want to go on a killing spree usually resort to using knives. Obviously, they are not quite as successful as their American counterparts.
While I think it's okay to have a weapon for self-protection, work, or hunting, I don't think people really need military-grade weapons. And without a permit? NO. When people use the argument "Guns don't kill people; people kill people" they are contradicting themselves when they think just about ANYONE can carry. This should be common sense, but if someone is gonna own a weapon, they should have proper knowledge about their weapon and the proper skills to handle them.
I also support background checks with the permit because there are some deranged people out there that could be a harm to themselves as well as others. Our Bill of Rights is there to give us certain privileges and freedoms but they shouldn't be used to threaten others.
@Commander_Red I question, whether you will read all of this, or just ignore it, but perhaps others will read it, and know what I say is TRUE!
Civilian Weapons ARE NOT "Military Grade" as you say! They are Semi-automatic ONLY, and often made with metals and components that WOULD NOT MEET MILITARY STANDARDS!
To purchase one, THERE ARE BACKGROUND CHECKS, IN EVERY STATE! It is a check, and they call an FBI number, and get a response confirmation, that the buyer is NOT registered within the FBI database, and prohibited from purchasing a weapon. The store fills out a Federal FORM, a record, that they keep, of the purchase, and they record the purchaser's information, on that form!
Never, in the nearly 600 years of firearms, has there EVER, EVER been a recorded case, of a firearm LOADING ITSELF, and then FIRING AT SOMEONE, and KILLING SOMEONE!!
Are you just stupid, and don't understand the "guns don't kill, people kill?" A gun cannot kill anyone, unless A PERSON PULLS THE TRIGGER!!
How is the Bill of RIGHTS, and the Second Amendment RIGHTS (not privileges--they are different!) being used to "threaten others"?
I guess I support it, people are going to do it regardless. Just make it legal then it won't matter.
I would rather have it where you need to be able to get a ccw to carry a weapon, but that will never be realistic. In my state you only need to be 21 and pass a criminal background test and they will hand you the firearm right then. We have almost zero restrictions to weapons.
Sure! Anything to piss of the SJWs hehe.. even if it does cause more chaos! I despise SJWs with the intensity of a thousand burning suns..
Oh? Did you make the mistake of thinking your petty firearms would be capable of stopping the greatest military in the history of the world?
Don't mind me.. I'll just be watching behind the safety of a screen while you idiots kill each other.. muahahahaha!
In theory, yes. In practice, no.
Let me explain...
In an ideal world anyone could carry a firearm. But in the real world firearms should garner suspicion, especially in big/dense cities where the distance between you and a criminal is more likely to be stabbing range than shooting ranged. People get jumpy, people make others jumpy, and even worse the police would get more jumpy. Say what you will about police interactions but I've got a gut feeling gun owners aren't treated better than non gun owners... and let's not even mention race and how people flip flop on a certain demographic once they hear the individual was armed.
Yes I take mine visibly everywhere I go except the Court House or post office. where I live they are allowed everywhere even churches and restaurants everywhere except schools and government buildings
am totally for he second amendment but somebody needs to keep track of all the guns that are out there. It is unfortunate we cannot really trust the government. Too bad we can't put together another law enforcement agency that is not under the DOJ. and can't used by the democrats to persecute Trump supporters.
I’m so glad I’m from Tennessee and have constitutional carry. As a woman I know I’m safe.
Plus, girls with guns are very sexy! Also, the Pistol Range makes for a great stop on a date.
u @USMC-Crossroads Yes! Range dates are awesome!
@SaoirseS Yep. And thinking back on it, every time I've taken a girl to the range and she did not enjoy it - thongs never worked out. Now I use the range as a litmus test (along with the door test) to find out if she is worth perusing a relationship with. Any chick with a handgun, automatically has her sex-appeal doubled.
u @USMC-Crossroads I'm good with indoor pistol, rifle, clay target shotgun sports, you name it I'll shoot it. One of my most fun dates was shooting hostile gingerbread men. Or putting head shots in zombie targets.
@SaoirseS That is awesome! Not only is it cool because it's a date, but it is also a really enjoyable time. And pistols and wheel-guns are one thing, but a chick who enjoys skeet shooting... that's just next level when it comes to the Girlfriend Scale! I grew up here, in New Jersey, so women like you are REALLY hard to find, but I did live in Louisiana for a while, and that was great - besides the awesome food, there were a million places to shoot, and a whole bunch of girls to take to the ranges. But, I'm back here - in thins liberal hell-hole of a State, so any time I meet a girl who ends up liking the range (and guns in general), she is automatically marriage material. I don't know where you live, but America needs more women like you... desperately! God Bless you, Honey... it sounds like you're gonna be an excellent Mom one day - if you're not already.
So that you either freak out when you have to actually use it in a live situation, rather than in a gun range, increasing your risk of being shot and killed, or just not have the chance to use it because your attacker was not gentlemen enough to warn you first of his place? By the way, if the attacker's plan was not killing you but he's armed and realized you are, your risk of being shot just goes through the roof. Guns make *everyone* uneasy and trigger happy.
u @USMC-Crossroads. Plenty of shooting sports and hunting opportunities, as well as free programs for those interested. There’s plenty of home and self-defense scenario training with practical live fire available too. I’m in the Midwest. No I’m not a mom yet lol. Other businesses sponsor soccer or Little League teams. I help sponsor a Scholastic Clay Target Program high school trap team. The “kids” are awesome.
Yes I support it. My state has had constitutional carry since 2017. I’ve been carrying legally (concealed) everywhere except prohibited areas for over two years. I have a permit since I frequently cross state lines.
u Oh I’m fine with it too. I don’t see the point in needing a permit to travel between states where both have constitutional or permitless carry. But since the constitutional carry laws apply only to state residents, to be legal I need the license/permit (recognized in other states) when I cross state lines. No big deal to me. I’ve only been stopped once in MO, I declared I was carrying as I was supposed to and offered to show my CCW. He was more concerned about the human remains I was transporting in the back. He had no interest in the weapon or the permit.
Texas knows what’s coming.
Fkin Biden has started dumping illegals.
And they’re not refugees.
Most of them are men who have been removed from Latin America prisons to be dumped to started problems in U. S.
To get order out of chaos bull sh*t from the evil people.
God first, then after that protect the country 2nd!
Bad times are coming to us for the next 5 years,
God! We need Trump back! 🥺
Yes, forcing people to get a permit is a violation of our constitutional rights. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to be forced to get a permit to use their freedom of speech, or freedom of religion, and have it denied. If you don't support freedom to keep and bear arms, we don't support your freedom to open your filthy cock-sucking mouths.
US gun culture is one of the reasons I didn't pursue job opportunities there.
if Americans want to live like they're still in the Wild West I suppose it's their choice. I don't think too many other developed counties are looking at the USA as a country that's "got it right" on gun violence though.
The second amendment says that it shall not be infringed so yes I support constitutional carry, we have it in Missouri. But the individual still has to pass a background check in order to purchase a gun.
Sure. To me a gun is no different than a knife when I see someone with one. Whether it's a bad thing depends on the character of the person. People don't flip out when they see a cook with a knife. I don't flip out when I see non threatening people with weapons. I'm also not foolish enough to depend on the cops to protect my family. Myself and every other male relative (plus some of the women) I know own guns.
There are problems with restricting the ability to carry guns.
The first problem is that it violates property rights. You should only have property taken from you if you're using it to violate persons or property.
The second problem is that guns are useful for many legitimate purposes such as self defence, hunting, target shooting and so on. Stopping people from carrying guns makes it more difficult for people to engage in these legitimate activities.
Some people will carry guns around and use them to commit crimes. Some people might think this is a good reason to ban carrying guns. But if you try to ban guns you will disarm law abiding people but not criminals or the government and its cronies. So then you have a system in which some people are allowed to own a tool for using force and others are subject to their whims.
Let's compare.
Where permits are required: law abiding citizens will obtain permits to carry guns and felons who cannot legally possess guns will conceal carry guns and avoid police.
Constitutional carry: law abiding citizens will carry guns and felons who cannot legally possess guns will conceal carry guns and avoid police.
All I see is less hassle for law abiding citizens.
With all the radical righties wanting a civil war, I've been becoming more and more pro gun. Families need to be able to protect themselves from these guys, because they clearly do want to start shooting and killing people over some bullshit they saw on their side of the internet.
Of course. Ideally, they've been properly vetted and mental stable enough to own a gun. But yeah, I'm all for it.
A girl can either build muscle and study martial arts her whole life, in order to avoid rape and protect her children... or she can just carry a firearm. The gun is the ultimate equalizer.
No, because there will always be unhinged people or those who have a mental break anytime, anywhere who don’t handle guns right!
Besides, the Bible says, to turn “... swords (their guns) into plowshares...” (Isaiah 2:4) Also, Jesus was nonviolent.
And no one will convince me otherwise!
Eh, somewhat. I think it's good to train people in carrying before they're allowed to do so and make them aware of when they're legally justified in defending themselves, but I think if people are going to carry they're usually responsible enough to where they'll do that anyway of their own volition.
If i lived in US i would go to the white house with tons of guns and shoot up the place, giving them a final message to ban guns. US don't care about school shootings that don't ban guns for them, they don't care about shootings in nightclubs or concerts. But a attack on white house with the people they put above every one as the important ones maybe they would.
America is just a weird country when it comes to firearms. I mean all military weaponry is technically covered by the 2nd amendment. Surely it must also be constitutional to open carry an RPG to protect yourself, especially considering the government has drones and stuff. Either arm the nation to it's teeth properly, or don't do it at all.
I support people's right to own guns, but I think there should be regulations and safety measures in place. I Don't think a random person without a permit, who may or may not have any training, and whose behavior is unknown, should be allowed to carry a gun into a public place unattended
The US has over 10,000 gun laws on the books. Most of which aren’t properly enforced, and in many cases uncurling several high profile cases have directly allowed mass shootings to occur. Specifically the Texas church shooting where the Air Force failed to follow the law and put a dishonorably discharged airman into the NICS system allowing them to buy weapons they weren’t legally able to buy, and the Parkland School shooting where the FBI and local sheriff’s department failed to act before hand despite multiple warnings and red flags.
Permits are unconstitutional.
A requirement for a permit is an infringement, which is, therefore, a violation of 'shall not be infringed'.
The carry 'permit' of a US citizen is the Second Amendment.
Nothing more should be needed.
I don't support every wacko yahoo that is holding a grudge against something, anything, to have a weapon. Period. How do I tell who is or is not a wacko yahoo? I assume everyone is, therefore NO one should own a gun, be in possession of a gun, or ever want or need a gun.
@DaveToo
Said like a true Democrat.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that the safest community is one in which everyone is trained and armed.
Feel free to be a hand wringing Democrat girlyman who cannot defend himself, but do not attempt to endanger the safety of real men and their families by disarming them.
You have typical slave mentality.
@cth96190 Thank you for calling me a Democrat. I'm also a combat veteran and former police officer. You go ahead and continue to follow the misguided interpretation of the second amendment put forth by the NRA. I'm just gonna spitball this opinion, but I'm betting you are not a member of a well-regulated militia. Therefore you would not be eligible to possess a firearm. You see, we Democrats don't want your guns. We would just melt them down. What we Democrats want is to keep firearms out of the hands of the wacko yahoos that want nothing more than to see how many people they can murder in an afternoon.
@DaveToo
There is no interpretation of the Second Amendment.
It says what it says and could not be clearer.
I live on the other side of the planet and even I understand that.
‘Interpretation’ is the door to a Jew lawyer word game, in which domestic enemies try to argue that the Second Amendment does not say what it says.
I am disappointed that someone who said that he served would demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Second Amendment and its place in history, as well as its importance to the defence of the USA.
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The Second Amendment is arguably the best defence against invasion.
I would remind you of the words of Admiral Yamamoto, who said that it would be impossible to land troops on the continental USA, because “there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass”.
As for militias, I will remind you that in 1776 militiamen had to provide their own weapons and be competent in the use thereof.
That was and remains the point of a militia.
I am also a veteran, FYI.
2/14 Light Horse, Royal Australian Armoured Corps.
After the traitors in the Parliament here made it difficult to obtain firearms (1996) the situation became that, for practical purposes, only the criminals and terrorists had guns.
@cth96190 You insult Democrats, you insult Jews, you've insulted me, and you insult the founders that amended the Constitution, when they said, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
What part of "well-regulated militia" don't you understand?
@DaveToo
I encourage you to look up a non-Democrat source on the meaning of 'well regulated militia' in 1776.
To have men who can serve in a militia, those men have to be armed and competent before they become part of the militia.
Therefore, they must own firearms and be competent in the use of said firearms.
I had been using my own FN FAL L1A1 since I was a child, so when I became part of the Australian Army there was not much that I could be taught about the weapon that was in use at the time. I wish at it was still in use, because the rifle that replaced it is a joke.
As for the meaning of "shall not be infringed", that means what it says.
It means that every law in the USA that restricts ownership, as well as open and concealed carry, is unconstitutional and, therefore, not a law at all.
I would also remind you that the most dangerous places to live in the USA are the blue cities, which have disarmed honest citizens.
The best defence against a bad man who is armed is a good man who is armed.
https://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm
@cth96190 Welcome to 2021. It's no longer the 1700's. Every brain-dead yahoo with a desire to kill something, anything, can and does own a gun. That does not make them part of a well-regulated militia. It makes them a danger to society. A well-regulated militia is the National Guard, where they are issued a firearm, trained to use the said firearm, placed in situations where they might have to use said firearm.
@cth96190 The problem with society today, every yahoo with $600. can buy a gun and call themselves part of the militia. A few hundred of them stormed our nation's Capitol in order to overturn a duly elected President. These are out of control "militiamen", whether they held guns or pitchforks.
It should be against the law to buy and own guns without license in every country.
@molonski2 so by that logic no knives without license. No water; no air; no automobiles; no baseball bats; petty much at the end of the day you can’t even flush the toilet without a goverment license.
Why even exist at that point it de facto slavery is you have to get permission for every single basic human right that legally exists.
Also why sovereignty matters, your can choose to surrender all your rights to your government but you can’t deny anyone else their rights that’s immoral.
Also no more guns mean less lives lost by any rational objective facts available. Violent crime in the US has gone down with the increase of gun in the US not up. Less people per capita are dying even more so now that every city and state in the US can’t deny Americans or lawful alien residents their human rights to keep and bear arms in lawful self defense.
@molonski2 not any science since it’s if conflict with the facts.
Show me in the US where gun restrictions resulted in less gun homicides? The exact opposite is true the places with the strictest gun restrictions allowed have the highest gun homicides.
Granted you death, but one of has to be a rational adult and make a comparisons that isn’t absurd. People died from disease and non gun violence there is no way to stop that by arbitrarily eliminating guns.
So rationally less guns could only mean less gun homicides not less death period.
But both statements are objectively false let the FBI crime statistics.
Washington DC has the least amount of guns per capita in the nation last I checked due to their extremely prohibitive gun laws. In fact guns were outright de facto banned till 2010 since the police refused to ever issue civilians permits under any circumstances. Highest per capita and highest number of gun homicides in the nation too. Which again has began to decline since 2010 won’t the outlier of 2020.
Again , can’t claim one caused the other but you can say without any reasonable doubt that no matter how my you pretend other wise in the US less guns do not mean less death or even more rationally less gun homicide.
Plus if you’re truly interested in less death why focus on guns instead of things that kill the most people in the US annually an order of magnitude of gun homicides even more Thant gun homicides and suicides combined by a large margin?
Should be ban doctors and nurses medical errors is the 3 or 4 leading cause of death in the US last I checked? By your logic less doctor and nurses must mean less death.
Just forget the fact that it’s irrelevant and irrational.
But please, don’t bastardize the wrong logic which implies reason and rational thought process when you’re ignoring all objective facts on the topic.
Hell, my kids make more compelling arguments when they want ice cream than this false narrative.
@Sarahr123 A tool is a tool, regardless of whatever irrational and arbitrary adjectives you give it without merit. Being alive isn’t essential to life? That’s news to me, being able to provide food for oneself and their family and/community isn’t essential to life. Guess I’m old fashioned I like to eat and last I checked you don’t eat you will die in about 2 to 3 months.
Guess this the same logic, that guns will reduce medical malpractice deaths. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Definitely doesn’t, doesn’t even reduce violent crime deaths. Those went up a the US Unconstitutionally cracked down on gun ownership in the early to mid 20th century.
I think what you really mean to say is “FIREAMS ARE NOT NECESSARY TO ME. You cannot compare owning guns to the everyday objected I personally find to be essential to life despite the objective fact that to tens millions of other people globally they would die in short order without access to their firearms.
If you truly an emphatically believe this nonsense devoid of any empirical evidence at all. You can choose to live without a firearm or even in one of the few nations like Japan that practically outright bans firearms.
Which goes back to my point about the importance of sovereignty. People that refuse to listen to reason at all have that right.
As do those who do listen to reason and doesn’t irrational deny that self defense and being able to obtain food are essential to life by any rational person. Not to mention even if someone the world had no need for self defense because we’ve arrived at utopia and nobody ever allows anger, hate, prejudice, or any other human emotion or lack of human emotion to convince them to choose to do harm to their fellow man and we have absolutely 0% hunger and/or food insecurity guns are still essential to life as a sport and recreation.
So I accept you choose irrationally to insist to the contrary but that doesn’t change reality.
@moloski2 I agree the US is wonderful; still no proof to support you claim it need less fire arms whatsoever but I hope one day you do have evidence. I would love to see no firearm or other tool on mankind used in anger as long as we all exist.
I’m 100% fine with sport shooing being the only shooting in a perfect world without violent conflict and violent crime between human being.
@moloski2
To insist further dialogue is pointless requires you had dialogue to being which rationally never occurred.
Can’t lose what never happened in the first place, but again being back facts not personal opinions when you wish to actually have a dialogue not talk at me and refuse to listen
by the way all this nonsense from @moloski2 @Sarahr123 is explicitly why North Carolina refused to ratify the US Constitution and submit itself to a federal government without a Bill of Rights added to the Constitution.
The 4th proposed amendment which became ratified as the 2nd Amendment was demanded to ensure the federal government and later with the enactment of the 14th Amendment no state government could deny their citizens the rights to keep and bear arms in self defense.
Liberty isn’t essential it’s fleeting and rare only truly existing in practice on nation in human history the United States of America and it cannot survive unless every American is willing to defend it against all her enemies around the world foreign and domestic.
I've made my comments pretty clear any educated individual understands the real problem which is the power of the gun lobby , its quite over the entire free world that the USA is assisting destruction via their ludicrous stance of " FREEDOM " , yeah right.
But the power is what the power is an unfortunately some will continue to believe this utter redneck , Bs stance. But , it is what it is..
The big part of the demise which has already begun. But as the OP says " EVERY COUNTRY "
thats just pure common sense..
There is no free world outside the United States. Subjects to monarchs, parliaments with absolute legislative and executive power and no inalienable rights under the law aren’t free people.
Replace free world with democratic world you got a rational thought.
The US (not USA silly goose) is not assisting any destruction especially if you imply domestic destruction of our nation.
Yes, there is a gun lobby in the US as there is in almost every other nation too. Nor does this boogie man of the irrational anti gun crusader the NRA have a fraction of the influence of the gun control lobby’s rhetoric.
America is pro 2nd Amendment because overwhelmingly her people are pro 2nd Amendment. So please you move your life as you we fit, we will live ours.
I’m not going to tell you how to rush your country. You can if you’re capable of acting like an adult do the same.
What is the us demise? The demise of America? Fat chance, that’s some pipe dream. Demise of the 2nd Amendment? Not in this century, only way you’re repealing the 2nd Amendment is if the US is dissolved which again isn’t happening.
I stick by the only rational thing anyone has said here, each country decided DoD themselves based on their own elected governments what is best for them.
That’s democracy, you want fascism where one person or one party tells everyone else in the world what to do, think, feel, and act eliminating all individual rights. The allies lead by the US defeated your perverse political ideology already once, should it ever read it head again the world will prevail again.
You do you, I’ll do me. I stand by democracy and self determination of all counties. Not some 1938 brown coat nonsense you can’t even produce a single rational counterpoint against.
@Sarahr123 Murdering some one with a gun is already illegal. It still happens.
Most murders committed with guns are done with illegal guns. So making more laws will not stop the possession of illegal weapons.
How about a zero tolerance policy on violent behavior of any type. Take the violent criminals off the streets and violence will decrease.
Its that simple.
Yes. An armed society is a polite society. Those antifa goons wouldn't be harassing dining customers if they thought they'd get shot, now would they? LOL
Both my husband and I agree with the idea of open carry.
I don't support it but it's better than them hiding it. That way I know who‘s violent. The only thing I think should be added is that you have a right to refuse service or allow entry to people carrying weapons. However, it's probably already a thing.
Yep. That's how it should alway have stayed. Get rid of NFA tax stamps while you're at it.
We've had it here in Mississippi for nearly a decade and it's great.
I have an enhanced state permit though because then I can carry anywhere except Federal buildings.
Every single genocide in the 20th & 21st century to the best of my knowledge has been after gun control. NO, I will not be boarding that train, thank you.
What a lunibin in here. especially with self ratiouse pro extremists that get offended. claims all kind of nonsense to prove a point that doesn't exist, just made up.
They doesn't realize that they can be taken seriously how they argue and attack. even seen as low intelligent.
I think a permit should be required. We can't have an old west mentality where everyone had a gun and it was who was fastest on the draw that mattered.
Mad that m8
@Pterodon Having to have a permit to carry a gun is no different then having a permit to drive a car. You can own either but you have to know how to drive and how to use a gun. If they let anyone have one it would be shoot first and ask questions later. I'm sure you know that those with mental illness shouldn't have access to guns.
@Pterodon I beg to differ. Voting is a right and so is having a driver's license. But there are rules like taking a driver's test. There are also rules for voting such as being registered and a US citizen. Just because you have a right doesn't mean there should not be any rules to follow to secure that right.
@juliastyles You make GOOD POINTS, VALID, RESONABLE thinking. The problem, is that EVERY LAW PASSED only affects the ones that OBEY LAWS!!
Criminals just LAUGH at gun laws, knowing it is easier to ROB, Rape and steal, where there are the most restrictive guns laws!! Look at the statistics? Chicago, New York, Washington, D. C.!
If you could find a way to get the criminals to OBEY the gun laws, ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, there would be virtually NO PROBLEM!
How about focusing on the REAL PROBLEM: Criminals!!! Stop PERSECUTING the LEGAL, SAFE, and LAW-ABIDING gun owners, that own 300 MILLION guns, and hardly ever commit any crimes!
@JackSmy True, if they would stop giving plea deals and keep these people in prison word might get out that if you use a gun in crime they will throw the book at you.
@Pterodon Several constitutional amendments (the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-sixth specifically) require that voting rights of U. S. citizens cannot be abridged on account of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, or age (18 and older); the constitution as originally written did not establish any such rights
@JackSmy Good points
Absolutely, the second amendment says they have a right to keep and BEAR arms, the government is way out of line if they think their permission is required when the founding fathers have already spoken.
Fuck yes I do. I live in a constitutional carry state thank God
Well glad to see so many support Constitutional Carry. Be real good times if it were Federal.
I don't know about without a permit tbh but I do support our 2nd amendment heavily. 🙃
Yes, the scumbags are allowed to have them, so why not the good guys?
First of all it is our God given right to carry and conceal. Any other state in which does not allow they are in direct violation of the constitution and they can be sued for going against constitutional laws. Take our country back.
@jspl90 It is funny isn’t it… Romans 13 speaks about not being a lawless person and not submitting to lawless government. It is your responsibility to resist tyranny as a Christian. When tyrants commit criminal acts against humanity they are lawless, and if you passive follow you to are by default lawless and in violation of God. There is no passive Christianity. When tyrants march on men to strip our free will, it is a Christians obligation to take up arms and fight tyranny.
@jspl90 By the way God didn’t give you shit. Norway was founded as a monarchy. You are a subject of the Royal House of Norway not a free man. There is a very distinctive difference between the old world and the new. Thus why you aren’t able to comprehend our position as authority. God set you up to be a slave from birth.
yup sure... but im not from norway? and besides norway is a constitutional monarchy what seems to mean the king is there to do ceremonies and look nice maybe actually look up things before making yourself look like a fool and is there something wrong with scrubbing toilets? its a job is it not? nothing shamefull working for a living personally I dislike cleaning and im not good at it so thats last job i would do
The way i see it is, if you carry a gun then you can be sure as heck someone approaching you has one too. The question which of yo draw first, and which one serves life in prison..
I don't see ANY winner in that scenario.
Absolutely not. There are so many reasons people shouldn't have easy access to guns such as lack of knowledge on how to safely operate fire arms to lack of self control
@MudRucker if you opened your eyes you'd notice I said people shouldn't have easy access to guns. I live in Ireland where guns are legal and heavily controlled. We don't even let most police carry guns and those that do have to declare on their uniforms that they are carrying a lethal weapon. You don't want to illegalise guns because then there is no control and you have illegal arms flooding the country. What you want is legalised guns with mandatory licencing, evaluation, and training. Like you said, cars are lethal when handled irresponsibly. So are guns.
I don't care if sane and verified people have guns. But even with that the average citizen shouldn't be able to get weapons and enough ammo to mow down a city.
Interpretation is everything, and a historical perspective gives the most relevant understanding and protection of the laws that protect us.
I’m so glad I’m European. You lot need to ban guns ffs
Third world immigration is up in Europe. Sexual assaults and groomings are up. And European women have no way to defend themselves.
Y'all are seriously a bunch of clowns.
@SlightlyEccentric brb just enjoying my kids not being murdered at school xxxx
Oh just wait till they get stabbed. Then you'll be crying about how there aren't enough knife control laws. Lol.
@SlightlyEccentric actually we’re dealing with that too. Thanks for your irrelevant comment hun x
You just don't get it do you? The only people whose lives will be affected by whatever new laws you pass are those who follow them. Criminals don't give a shit. You seem to treat them better than your own military veterans, which is pretty sad.
I've seen your so called "jails." You're not rehabilitating shit in those. Just giving criminals a hotel stay for their sentence. What are you doing about grooming gangs? Oh making some half hearted law saying "you can't do that?" Or are you too much of a coward to admit that your recent mass muslim immigration and increase in knife violence, gang rapes, sexual assaults, and grooming gangs might just fucking all be connected to one another?
@SlightlyEccentric are you finished? No matter how far you reach, the US is a massive shithole. Nothing more. You’re full of stupid people with guns who think the only important people are themselves. Those poor natives get branded with the same name as you. You’re all filth.
Are you gonna answer my questions or you just gonna keep deflecting? Or are you too high and mighty to admit that maybe your country isn't as great as you think is?
We can admit we have our problems like any other country, however the proposed solution of "ban this, ban that" is not the answer and never will be. And you calling my country a shithole is just the pot calling the kettle black.
@SlightlyEccentric you’re trying to make yourself feel better
Nope I'm telling you how it is and how it will never be no matter how much you wish it so. We have a constitutional guarantee to the ownership of firearms and will never give it up, even if it means we have to fight against our own government, should and when that time ever comes.
I don't know what fantasy world you live in but you need a serious reality check because if you actually know history, you know that banning things only makes people want to have them more.
@SlightlyEccentric nobody cares about America it’s shit lol
I knew it. You're just another loudmouth europoor cunt who can't backup her arguments. You just go along with the crowd, staying sedated, never thinking for yourself.
Maybe one day you will get raped and maybe it will humble you enough to wish you had had a way to defend yourself against your attacker.
"The woman's right to not being able to protect herself." What a batshit crazy liberal philosophy. Fuck you and all your other trashy europoors. You're destroying yourselves and you're too blinded by your own "regressively progressive" agendas to notice it.
@SlightlyEccentric you’re very boring grandad
Granddad? I'm 10 years older than you. I'm only sorry that you can't see beyond your own little world of imagination. Get fucked you authoritarian cunt.
@SlightlyEccentric stop throwing your toys out the pram🤣
@aquariusmystery Mind your own business, like you should have 300 years ago, British dog crap.
@Bean2thousand looool I love making men cry
Criminals don’t care about whether or not it’s legal why should law abiding citizens be hamstrung on their right to choose what to defend themselves with
These "rights" were written in a time where being stupid hurt, where towns would exact furious justice on people who couldn't be trusted with guns. Also "rights" have *always* changed over time to adjust to the world we live in. Fuck your gun "rights".
And fuck you
That is absolutely insane. If I lived somewhere where people were carrying around guns I would move. That's some barbaric mad max horrible place.
If you think open carry or conceal carry looks like Mad Max. I have some oceanfront properly for sale in Oklahoma as well as the Brooklyn Bridge. PM for details, real affordable PayPal accepted.
Wish i could post images to show how abused you’re being.
Please if you can’t handle civil rights stay in whatever country that doesn’t respect your civil rights that pleases you. All the power to you, but just like I’m not going to you force you to make your country as I see fit no ones else has the right either towards our nation.
@YOLOIFIC lol, I live in a city that does not have people who carry guns in public, because that is psychopathic. Who carries a murder weapon unless you live in a shithole, or you are scared all the time. I live in a safe place.
Only person that’s a “psychopath” is you flipping out irrationally on the internet because you can’t make a single coherent factual thought go from your fingers to your keyboard.
$100 says you’re lying out you’re ass someone is armed whether law abiding citizens with a concealed weapons, law enforcement, or the military. You by you only definition live in a shithole. 🤣
A shithole make safe my people with firearms. Hypocrite.
Unless suddenly law enforcement and the military is no longer classified as “people”.
Why do you carry a murder face? Anyone can add murder to something like an ignorant fool without an rational thought at all.
Am I scared all the time? No, why should I be? Because you think I have to be scared to be prepared to defend myself if needed?
Is someone savaged all the time for wearing a seatbelt? Having a fire extinguisher in their kitchen? Eating healthy and exercising?
Oh wait I forgot you’re a hypocrite that pretends if you’re don’t like something without any rational reason you can treated then like shit because you’re an inhumane self centered piece of shit that’s not worth the oxygen and water keep to keep you alive.
People murder IF they unlawfully take another persons life. Not all homicides are murder, nor is any tool regardless of what it is a hammer, car, firearm, box truck, etc has ever murdered anyone.
Stop like an abject fool blaming an inanimate object for the actions of people.
Enjoy your shithole, Bye Felicia.
@YOLOIFIC I'll say it once more. If you feel the need to carry a gun in your community, then you are living in an awful shithole. How bad does it have to be that people feel the need to carry murder weapons on them when they leave their house? I would never live in a shithole like that.
@Pterodon I wouldn't want to live in a place where people carry murder weapons regardless of the reason, if they are scared, or lack confidence, or whatever the reason.
@Pterodon lol, nobody carries guns here, nobody wants a gun. I've never met anyone with a gun. I live in a city bigger than Chicago but has a crime rate a fraction of American cities... it's extremely safe and that is probably because there is no gun culture. America is a weird gun obsessed exception and that's why it's the only country on earth with regular gun based mass shootings. Something like 10 to 100 times more mass murders than any other country *per capita*
California looks fairly shitty… and has the strictest gun laws. By contrast, Arizona is pretty damn nice and has some fairly lenient gun laws and is constitutional carry … and Californians are fleeing CA for Arizona. Go figure…
@MannMitAntworten lol I'm not even American. What's with Americans assuming the whole world is as insane as you. I live in a city bigger than Chicago where nobody owns a gun, nobody wants to own a gun, because they are not scared and we don't live in a hellhole.
I'll say once last time. If you feel the need to carry a gun, you must be a very scared person, and live in a shithole. I would never live in a city where it's legal to carry a gun around. That's just psychotic. Imagine carrying a baseball bat with taped syringes on it full of HIV. That is LESS dangerous than a gun. And it's 99% scared dudes who support gun laws.
The absolute LAST THING the wonderful US of A needs is looser gun control.
Really simple bottom line.. TOO MANY GUNS , more guns = more death. You dont need guns.
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