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Do you support 'Constitutional Carry' in the US? That is, being able to carry a firearm in public, exposed or concealed, without a permit? (Page 2)
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Yes and I'm glad those of us with a brain voted the same.
He'll yeah I'm pro gun anything
It's a great detergent if somebody know they can die.
If I was still living and working in the US I'd be supporting Constitutional Carry as I've held a CCW in the past.
Criminals are gunna do this anyway, why would we put law abiding citizens at a comparative disadvantage
The solution is more guns not less. Every time we’ve tried to limit ownership, it always falls exclusively in the wrong hands. Maybe just let everyone protect themselves that wants to
Fire arm amendment is just getting to be like Android and Iphones. With rating 'E' on it. Everyone
Oh absolutely; I live in a Constitutional Carry state, and take advantage of that.
You need to PROVE that you can use a gun before carrying that thing around. I can't believe it's easier to get a gun than a damn car...
For legal gun buyers, who buy from dealers, it's not that easy. You do get a background check, and most sane gun owners go the range periodically. If they have a license to carry, and most will for recesprocity to travel with guns to most states, you have to have the LTC course. Many LTC types also purchase insurance. Most LTC also have advanced background checks through the FBI. Submitted fingerprints as well.
It is easier to get a car than a gun, but it can vary based on state... this is why the SCOTUS of the US has taken up a case where New York is making people prove they need a gun, which is impossible to do.
There is always a background check though, except for criminals who don't follow the law... but anyone who buys from a dealer has to pass a background check.
No I do not support it. It makes me scared to go to the US. /Gen
You know we have a second amendment because of your English fruit cakes yeah you should stay there
Why?
The Canadian government has guns and uses them to kill people. Are you scared of them?
Just don't fuck with anyone and you're 99% less likely to be shot.
I'm not English. I am Canadian, the only things I've heard of the governement killing people are not with guns, and when people heard about it they stopped. I'm afraid of a mass shooting happening, and those people are ill, so there isn't really many preventative measures.
I’d state that is a very irrational fear but given the fact that the media intentionality pushes a false narrative based on political ideology it’s not surprising.
I have an anxiety disorder and know that it's irrational but can't help it.
@alanforr That's the government, not ordinary people. In Canada, you can't just go in to the supermarket and pick up an M16 with enough ammo to supply the US 5th Army...
@captiansmartass can’t do that anywhere even the US.
Granted before Walmart stopped seeking semiautomatic sport rifles it was possible to buy groceries and an AR-15 but it would be two separate transactions. The AR-15 sale has to still go through the federally required background check and only certain personnel at the store can conduct the transaction by law.
@YOLOIFIC Oh, right. That makes me feel a little less uneasy.
@captiansmartass if you feel easy about people exercising peacefully their inalienable civil rights maybe you’re the problem. JS, no offense intended.
Outside of a handful of poorly run major cities that are rampant with violent crime the US is extremely safe. Overwhelmingly this places are where the strictest gun laws in the nation exist. In many cases for decades guns were outright banned in many of these cities until the Court stepped in with the McDonald ruling.
Besides the unrest of 2020 due to the pandemic and riots the US has seen crime rates drop dramatically since the 1970s when they were at the highest they’ve ever been. Ironically this correlated with the dramatic increase in the number of firearms owned by the public though correlation doesn’t mean causation as much as I’d like it to be so in this case.
A tool is a tool, no law can stop someone from obtaining something they want or stop their actions. All you can do is deny people the ability of someone that’s never done anything wrong as far as we can tell to defend themselves against someone dead set on causing others harm which to me is not only morally wrong but a violation of the US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Basic Human Rights.
Granted I can understand people’s irrational fear of firearms especially if they have little or no experience handling them. It’s intimidating at first as was anything you know to be potentially dangerous like driving a car.
But fear however you choose to call it, in your case feeling uneasy. It’s a rational justification to deny people one of their fundamental basic human rights without cause or due process.
@hellionthesagereborn chicken
If it make you scared to come to the U. S., then I would say the 2nd amendment is doing its job. We are more than happy to have you stay where you are.
I have my hunting license. I have experience handling guns and am still scared of them in America. They don't regulate them enough for me to feel safe.
The 2nd amendment is You may bear arms to rise up against an oppressive government. Not frightening people into not crossing imaginary border lines.
@CaptainSmartass What is the relevant difference between government officials and ordinary people?
So wouldn't the best way for you to feel protected is having something that you can protect yourself with?
@hellionthesagereborn I can bring guns in Walmart a guy had a visible riffle last time I went
@WowwGirl Well, I think you should be able to bring guns anywhere and everywhere, if every one has a gun, every one is equal and every one has the capacity to defend themselves (those who hate guns are people who have never used one or interacted with them before generally speaking). I was simply pointing out that if some one is afraid it would make more sense to arm one's self in order to not be afraid anymore.
@hellionthesagereborn should move here man we agree
I agree with everything you said
@YOLOIFIC Cool. I think my fear might come from not being in the US.
@alanforr Government officials will have proper training and instruction, rather than relying solely on friends/family teaching them.
I have government training. I did a government hunting class.
Everybody would also be equal if they didn't have guns. Why do they need them.
Yes, government is so great at doing things and have “proper training” . I mean there was only 16 months of warning to the FBI the parkland high school shooter was planning his attack. Guess they missed the day when someone calls with chat room screenshots of someone saying they will shoot you a school and receipts showing they’re stockpiling weapons no red flag.
Even interviewed him once over the phone IIIRC. Other properly trained Air Force personnel violated federal law and did report to the NICS background check database a man was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force making him legally unable to buy firearms.
They did, went to a church in Texas and killing a womanbefore being killed them selves. The reason only one person and shooter died. A neighbor “taught by family” came running across the street with his rifle. Shot the shooter, amazing the “highly trained” government officials were only minutes away.
So right there one example, your telling dozens of families their loved own deserved to die because “sorry you’re not properly trained” by the incompetent jackasses that legally permitted the man mutiny you and ineligible to purchase a firearm because I couldn’t be bothered to file I piece of paper.
You keep your government officials, I’ll keep my inalienable civil right defend myself.
I mean if your ever bothered to learn something about firearms you’d more likely than not be pro-gun.
It’s a great boggy, a great sport, and the irrational fear of firearms is just that irrational fear unless you have an preconceived agenda.
Either way, you don’t you wherever you are I’m not giving up my hard earned rights because your thinking the government is “properly trained” despite zero evidence to validate that at all.
Their assembly line cookie cutter training is not proper besides the very basics and child knows the first time they take a firearm safety class to shoot an air rifle.
@CaptainSmartass There are private firearms training courses available and there is no particular reason to expect government firearms training to be better.
@WowwGirl Where is here, texas? I'm actually concerned about Texas because all the californians fled to texas and are going to ruin it like they ruined california. Though I have thought about leaving my area (outside chicago, so you know few constitutional rights are recognized here).
They wouldn't be equal without guns, men are bigger and stronger then women, you will never be as strong as a man. Some one gets a knife your no longer equal, a stick and you are no longer equal. That is why we have guns, because if your not armed you are vulnerable. Its nice to wish that the world was a better place then it is, but that won't alter reality. Bad people exist and we need to be prepared for that. Its no different then anything else, I don't want my house to catch fire, I still have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers. I don't want to get violently attacked, but I have to be prepared for that possibility. If we are all ready for violence, you get less violence because criminals are cowards, they don't want to get killed so they back off because stealing a tv isn't worth being shot over, raping a girl isn't worth it if she is likely to put a bullet in his head. Guns make for a peaceful nation because every one knows where every one else stands and no one wants to take those risks.
As long as there is a VERY through background check
If you’re legal to buy you’re legal to carry. Criminals aren’t legal to buy or carry but they’ve been doing it for decades haven’t they? So fuck your laws
@Pterodon if you're not a criminal, why are you against a background check? "Good guys with guns & all" 🙄
Because criminals don’t do background checks
Because a background check is controled by the government and it has happened that they have barred people from owning guns that they where legally allowed to buy. This happened to James O'Keefe. Once he made a report public that the FBI was preventing him from buying a gun they reversed coarse and allowed him to buy again. Not every one has a media company to expose these people. So that is why people are against background checks, not because they are criminals but because by asking permission from the government, your right to own and bare arms becomes dependent on whether or not the government decides you deserve to have them rather then them being an inalienable right. This is actually how many states operate, you have to apply to get a gun and then the state tells you that they reviewed your request and they have decided you don't need it (in one case the guy had his house robbed and wanted one for personal protection and he was still denied (despite his constitutional right to buy and own a gun).
So their are perfectly legitimate reasons to not want background checks, that and the fact that 80% of gun crimes are commited with stolen guns so background checks almost always only affect law abiding citizens rather then criminals making it a rather moot point.
^^^^ he has a point there was a sheriff of Vermont that would not authorized a firearm transfer if you so much have a parking ticket on your record. He was replaced.
Any legal commercial sale in the US requires a background check but as justice has shown since the US and State governments aren’t perfect nor usually competent. Plenty of people legally barred from buying a firearm can due to government incompetence and in a few cases they’ve gone on to commit crimes.
No amount of background checks though will stop illegally obtained weapons from existing. Those who don’t care about the law will never concern themselves with the law.
@Pterodon I got you , what is going on🙂?
F**k the police. It's nobody ts business
@WowwGirl not much sexy how are you?
@Pterodon Hanging in there sir🙂
@WowwGirl please don’t call me sir. We’re equals
@Pterodon I do everyone. You know this
@WowwGirl sorry ma’am
@Pterodon Obliged ☺️
I believe people should wear six shooters in gun belts , we need fewer judges, you should be able to fish without a license and hunt with out a license , and put up a tent anywhere you like. Outdoors are the people's not the Gov'ts.
Sure because I think it's stupid that just because u git a felony in the past u now have to run around defenseless it's crazy
Do you think a grenade launcher could make the cut? A 40mm launcher would own all these puny guns.
Well technically, the second amendment applies to all arms whether that be a pistol or a war ship so if they are truly constitutional carry, then yes it should.
I have no intention to ever touch U. S. ground myself.
So I don't really care.
My own surrounding culture does not require me to have firearms.
Heh heh: the downvotes on this are confusing: When foreigners want to come in - you don't like it. When we want to stay away - you don't like it either :)
Can you please make up your minds...
I don't support calling it "constitutional carry" when it has nothing to do with a well regulated militia.
I don't just support constitutional carry but mandatory arming.
Yes. I wich my country had that. You americans are lucky
Yes because I am ready for human beings to wipe themselves out. It's time to let another species take over. Trump dummies fucked our species in the ass.
Your name should be "I_need_help".
@Darksign Please behave
Hey it’s better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it 😂
I’m on the fence about this on one hand if someone is shooting up a building and a civilian uses their own gun to protect people that’s good but if the cops show up they won’t know who the threat is
State is anyway at its saturation in terms of Any 'ISM' you can think of. Will soon meet its tragic end in various ways which has already started and people also realise this
Yes
The cops may not come in time to save you, so you must strap yourself
I’m thinking about it because what’s the point to a fist fight just to get shot because you’re beating his ass
As a kid, I grew up with stitches from fights while I had and my fistfight friends had full access to guns. Guns never became a part of it.
@blank_expression Awesome those were the good ole days
Not without a permit. Being allowed to have a gun, carry it, alright, why not. But not without a background check at least.
In a person with a lot of anxiety and I have can't do anything but overthink things so if I see a gun I freeze up, I have nervous, I start to get sweaty, etc. So no thank you, I don't support it.
Carrying a gun in public is dangerous. real world is not a GTA game. You will not respawn when you die.
real world is not a sims game. You can die and won't respawn.
@EJlad that's what i said
tell that to some mugger with an illegal firearm in an alley.
@EJlad I WILL
I'm glad I don't live in this capitalist country that has one of the highest gun violence deaths' rate in the world and where people lack even the basic human rights such as public healthcare.
I don't intend to visit this place ever
when mass shooters attack people. If someone in the crowd has a gun they can stop them. This has happened and the media refused to report on it.
With all the aggressive blacks and narco south Americans/Columbians - yes, I'd want a gun right.
To a point. Handgun single shooter yes
Anything else no need
America is too far gone to ban guns
Look at my profile what does it say
Don't believe in concealed carry but exposed carry should be allowed.
I literally told you to read another comment explaining that
God Bless Texas
Constitution right 2nd amendment
Yes and yes.
I carry a 9mm Glock and have a 25 caliber untraceable 25 caliber untraceable "drop gun"/Saturday night special.. If I we get attacked, he or she will go down and I will leave the 25, freshly fired, at the scene.
The purpose of A2 is for self-protection and to protect us from the renegade government we have now.
States rights!!!
Yep.
I fully support it.
no. too many crazies out there.
So we need to make guns illegal for every one to stop crazy people from owning guns and potentially using them to commit violent crimes?
@hellionthesagereborn those are 2 extremes. i'm am not the left--i agree with them on many issues but not even all of them wanna ban guns--Biden has made it clear he can't and won't. what most want is sticker regulations and crackdowns to prevent those who are unfit to gain them and those who sell illegally.
Biden made it clear he wants to ban guns but he can't and the states have decided to completely ignore his "authority" on this and many other matters.
as for the "extremes", your the one who said it not me, hence me asking for clarification, you said you do not agree with the legal rights stated within the second amendment of the constitution because "there are too many crazies". I was asking is it because you think they will get a gun and use it to commit a violent crime and that is why you want only the government to have the right to dictate who can and cannot get a gun?
@hellionthesagereborn are you gonna be able to have a debate with a calm and open mind? or are you going to ignore, deflect and, project?
I've never done those things, I use logic and statistical data for my debates. Now if your looking for me to simply agree with everything you have to say, absolutely not. In fact I will absolutely not agree with everything you say or believe because I don't agree with any one's full ideological belief structure. I go with what logic and statistical data say. So if that is an issue, don't clarify your statement because I'm not here to blow smoke up peoples asses and create echo chambers, I'm here to understand and test ideas.
@hellionthesagereborn well shell test that. this is what Biden said behind closed doors: https://youtu.be/0lEGCH9_gvE?t=286
Why are you refusing to clarify your statement? Seems odd. As for your video clip, what are you trying to get me to see/hear? I don't know what the context of the video is, so why are you posting it? What is the context to the statement (I've seen the video when it came out so I'm not sure what you want me to look for).
@hellionthesagereborn you're not gonna listen to anything that counteracts what you believe. Biden made it clear... in private--he won't get rid of assault weapons... a conversation you weren't even suppose to hear which meant he had know reason to lie to you... and you refuse to accept that. i expected it--hence, while i decided not to right you off--i also didn't wanna waste my time typing and researching more than necessary... my instincts were (as they often are) correct.
Incorrect biden wants to rid of "assault weapons"
@Darksign not according to what he's said behind doors--there's no sense.
I don't care what he said. You look at actions not words
@Darksign well, then--let's examine his actions, shall we? ''Biden’s new steps include a move to crack down on “ghost guns,” homemade firearms that lack serial numbers used to trace them and are often purchased without a background check. He’s also moving to tighten regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces like the one used in Boulder, Colorado, in a shooting last month that left 10 dead.'' ''But his orders stop well short of some of his biggest campaign-trail proposals, including his promise to ban the importation of assault weapons, his embrace of a voluntary gun buyback program and a pledge to provide resources for the Justice Department and FBI to better enforce the nation’s current gun laws and track firearms.''
No I was trying to understand what you where asking. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm being irrational, unless your trying to argue that your always right and every one who disagrees with you is wrong (which would be rather egotistical and insane thing to claim).
As for biden sure he said words but who the fuck cares about what he said to one group of people? He said the opposite to another group of people so clearly his words don't matter, that leaves us with his actions, so what does his actions say? He is trying to put bans on online sales of guns as well as various accessories for guns. Okay, so violating the second amendment right to own guns right from the start (The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed). Ghost guns are also a nebulus term, as "ghost guns" as its refered to is guns that are custom made or custom parts (so banning them bans all custom parts and thus bans guns (or at least severly hampers the ability to acquire them as you can only get very limited guns from specific locations (which he also wanted to ban online sales so you are now less likely then ever before to be able to get them because you cannot make them, you cannot repair them, you cannot modify them, you cannot have different attachments (Pistol grips are illegal despite being nothing more then cosmetic/comfort and do not affect anything else, you cannot get a brace even though it doesn't effect the gun etc.)). However the media lumps in guns without serial numbers with those "ghost guns" i. e. a criminal gets a gun and removes the serial number and that then is lumped into the pile of "ghost guns" in order to taint the well so to speak (only about 7% of crimes are commited with a firearm purchased by a licensed dealer so the serial number only is useable in those 7% of cases).
So he is already banning guns, the parts, modifications, online sale of guns which will completely destroy the industry. So how are you then arguing that he is not doing that? Seems rather stupid. Your instincts are not correct, you just refuse to listen to what others say, you refuse to listen to facts and you refuse to accept evidence that proves your "instincts" and ideological beliefs wrong.
This is why you refuse to answer my question because you knew that it would reveal you for who you really are, a brainwashed ideolog who does not wish to have the constitution upheld, you are everything you claim others are.
@hellionthesagereborn you're only making my point. i didn't even vote, fool. in any case--debating with you is as pointless as i suspected as you'll only read and hear what you want to read and hear.
You sound dumb sabretooth
@Darksign wow... what a well thought out response and it only too you the entire night to compile... impressive! when you can't win an argument based on the facts--you stoop to insults. pathetic.
He typed a shit load and all you could come up with was " I ain't debating you, I win"
@Darksign anyone can type a lot: hbbg7ibtgy7itbg78g 87yugb t6tc6vr9 8 890-0im0-i i-0=mi mi-0b87tswiopujybhb89bn80 8y890uy0988790-8u9-0uumo;lmimahhuishhsuiohn xdjm0cmfcm=xrio,.\.-edl-dpl0-0-o\-, o-0o,\-o,\-=o-,-ow,-ww\=w0w-=w/./,,
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what point is that? I listened to the source, I in fact use the hill as one of my many sources, I also pointed to what BIDEN DID, not just pointed to what he said he would do as you did. Are you seriously arguing that a word trumps an action? If I punched you in the mouth but then told you I didn't, did I punch you in the mouth? The answer would be yes, yes I would have because words do not trump actions. So biden said he wouldn't put a ban on guns because its not constitutional, then proceeded to try and ban parts, ban custom guns, online sales etc. He said he would not just go in and sign executive orders because the president doesn't have that kind of power. . . and then he did literally just that. I don't care about his words, politicians say a lot of stupid shit all the fucking time, I care about his actions. So if you really think that actions don't matter only words matter, then your right their is no point in speaking to you but not for the reasons you think.
@hellionthesagereborn the fact of the matter remains--he hasn't ban assaults weapons. the same was said about Obama... which proved to be bullshit.
Well yeah, because assault weapons are not a thing. You can't define it so you can't ban it. He has banned or is trying to ban everything surrounding guns in order to circumvent the second amendment. Again, I could not care less about what he says, I do care about what he does. Again, your rational is incredibly bizarre what with deciding that words matter more then actions (what, did you believe Trump when he said he was the greatest too or does it only work when its a politician that is part of your tribe?).
@hellionthesagereborn first of all--i have no party affiliation--both sides lie but... so, no. Trump lied in public and Biden said this behind closed doors--i think you'd agree that telling a lie to the American people behind closed doors is counterproductive. secondly: what actions has he taken? here is a complete list of actions: www.whitehouse.gov/.../ . conservatives are ruled by fear which makes them easy to manipulate--studies prove this and we've seen this for the last 5 years. answer me this: do you see yourself as an insane, violent criminal?
But you do? You went to a left leaning source, your telling me to ignore the actions of a person on the left but trust his words yet say that a person on the right who did not lie (embelish yes, lie no) did in fact lie and we should ignore his actions and his words and trust the words of the people on the left who told you he lied (because you sure as hell where not paying attention to him or using alternate sources to come to your conclusions). You are on the left, you don't get to push their agenda, use their talking points, only consume their media, support them in every way and then claim to be neutral, that is asinine.
I'm far more neutral then you are and wouldn't dream to claim I don't have a particular leaning (constitutionalist and libertarian generally speaking (not a political libertarian, the libertarian party is a joke and the extremes are as oblivious to human nature as socialist and progressives are).
@hellionthesagereborn "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.".
Yes precisely what I'm saying, your not entitled to claim that your opinions are fact, facts are facts opinions are not facts. Now apply that to your statements and you will realize you are incorrect because the ACTIONS are facts, words are opinions. You give an opinion, I pointed out the facts.
@hellionthesagereborn you got it backwards. YOU'VE given your opinions and I'VE given the facts and the facts don't stack with your opinions. i've shown what he's said behind closed door, shown the reporting, shown the official actions he's taken... and all you got is ''nope''.
Never without a permit!
Criminals don’t have permits do they?
So you only have the right to protect yourself if the government tells you you can protect yourself? So what happens when you have done nothing wrong and the goverment decides they don't want you to own a gun? Do you just not have inalienable rights and does the constitution just not matter anymore?
No. Dangerous and unnecessary.
I do not support it.
As a Texan Yes 🤠