Should Joe Biden and the U. S. congress move forward to lifting up the embargo on Cuba, why, why not?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

[pjf1958]

It's definitely a political issue, although it should be a human rights issue. The current regimen in Cuba, is at least attempting to change for the better its approach to respecting the dignity of its citizens. It still has a long ways to go. They should be encouraged to continue to improve. Its ridiculous to maintain any kind of cold war/Castro, approach to Cuba. All were doing is exacerbating the hardship the Cuban people are currently experiencing. Mexico on the other hand most definitely needs a regime change. Kidnapping, torture, murder, complicity with the cartels, whether its voluntary or not, their citizens terrified of the government sponsered cartels free reign of terror. They could care less about human rights. Why, have we let this insanity go unchecked? Its too late to do anything about it now. The drug cartels have infultrated our government by using Naturalized Mexican citizens as hosts. Like any good parasite, keep a low profile until you are firmly entrenched. I just hope that the cartels don't own us the way they own the Mexican government.

[Leavesbound]

We should agree to life embargos and sanctions incrementally as Cuba moves gradually away from the more extreme aspects of communism and a dictatorial regime. We should make a small initial gesture and then inform Cuba that if they want more then they have to give us something in return and then repeat the process. I have no objection to their choosing a socialist economic model as that is their business but that can be achieved without a dictatorship simply by following the French or other western European models.

[Bee-Hatch]

Cuba doesn't seem to be suffering too much when the rest of the world will trade with it.


American foreign policy has always been problematic.

[Open2It]

Problematic... how so?

[Bee-Hatch]

Thanks for the MHO

[Anonymous]

Biden doesn't want anything to do with people who want to flee communism.

[ADFSDF1996]

Not until Cuba gets a regime change. Preferably a government that isn’t far left wing.

[doopayo]

Dude what? I’m Cuban and have family in Cuba that have to survive on the money my parents send them oversees, the government is in no way left wing in the slightest. It’s an authoritarian regime, even google can tell you that

[ArztSchlachthof]

@doopayo authoritarian regimes are not mutually exclusive with socialism, although I don't really find the Cuban one so authoritarian, care to share your take on the situation? I've seen an American study showing their democracy is far more democratic than the American one, published by someone that is not socialist ;) Can't provide source, it was a couple years ago, though.

[doopayo]

I never said anything about socialism, Cuba’s definitely not socialist in my opinion.

[ArztSchlachthof]

@doopayo Well, being left-wing implies it's socialist. Being far left-wing implies it's communist. They identify as left-wing, thus they identify as socialist and even communist, but I'm interested in why you don't see them that way, please, explain ;)

[doopayo]

Because Cuba’s regime is socialist but it’s ruling party is ideologically communist, but the regime itself isn’t communist. Cuba isn’t a dictatorship one party state, it has one of the most democratic forms of government. Even though America knows this and the media knows this, they still put trade sanctions on Cuba because they can just call it a one party state and all Americans won’t question it.

Cuba does have a one part state but it doesn’t show in any way that they have one way authoritative dictatorship. America’s been doing this just to go against economic democracy, socialist uprising, and go against the Cuban revolution.

Cause as long as the nation has that, American corporations can no longer rule over Cuba’s working class.

[Ryfyle]

@doopayo Thats what the Left wing is. Thats how it's been through the last century. The Left is innately Authoritarian. Your feel good delusions end once the state has control of your life.

[ArztSchlachthof]

@Ryfyle not at all - being left thing doesn't mean you are automatically totalitarian or authoritarian in general 😉

[ArztSchlachthof]

@doopayo I see now, but I think you say it's not socialist just because they are democratic - there is no need for that, we know that socialism can be democratic. I agree with you, although I wouldn't be so afraid to call it socialist, as socialism has many shapes and forms.

[Ryfyle]

@ArztSchlachthof History paints a different picture.

[ArztSchlachthof]

@Ryfyle What about Paris Commune, Socialism with Human Face, Tito's socialism... Cuban socialism? ;) Do not think all socialists are evil and totalitarian, open your mind and at least listen to people that want to be better than Stalin.

[007kingifrit]

@doopayo i find your assertion that the left can't be authoritarian very uneducated

[Ryfyle]

@ArztSchlachthof What about Pol Pot, Mao's great leap forward, The Soviet Unions Gulags, and a Leftist government Sentiment that treats it's Citizens as property of the state. My Apologies if I don't see the benefits of being a Serf under Socialism.

[ArztSchlachthof]

@Ryfyle You are judging the idea itself by some individuals that follow it. Your view is neither objective nor just. Using the same logic, I can tell you a thousand and one capitalist flaws. A bowl cannot be filled when it's already full, thanks for the conversation.

[Ryfyle]

@ArztSchlachthof No, Im judging the Ideal with Recorded fucking History, you brainwashed Zoomer Retard. Soviet Citizens were straight up tied to the land and needed Passports just to travel with in the country. That's Fucked up. Secondly, when the fuck did we have a free market? All we Have is Corporatism, the main means why companies like Amazon and Walmart get crazy huge government kickbacks.

[007kingifrit]

@doopayo also no, cuba is an undemocratic dictatorship. all communist countries have fake elections. to fool silly little girl s

[ArztSchlachthof]

@Ryfyle As I said, thanks for the conversation. You can save your... passion... for learning ;)

[Ryfyle]

Sad way to bow out.

[ADFSDF1996]

@doopayo Anyone who thinks left wingers can’t be authoritarian or totalitarian is naive or agrees with said left wing tyranny.

[doopayo]

I don’t know what you’re talking about, I specifically said Cuba’s not left wing

[ADFSDF1996]

@doopayo They are literally commies!

[doopayo]

Cuba is more socialist actually, it had a socialist political system since 1959. With a one party principal. Despite being regarded as a communist state, the ideology of Jose Marti is what serves as the main source of politics in Cuba.

[ADFSDF1996]

@doopayo You do realize that both communism and socialism are left wing ideologies right? Not to mention that they both have a common origin.

[doopayo]

Politics are much more complicated than black and white

[Ryfyle]

@doopayo So it's only left Wing is they have Corporate funded Pride parades and BLM marches. Glad to see you still have no idea what your talking about.

[007kingifrit]

@doopayo... she doesn't get that socialism and communism are synonyms lol. all socialism is a smokescreen for communism

[Alexandrubaschet08]

NOOOO THEY ARE COMMUNIST, THEY SHOULD STAY IZOLATE FOREVER AND EVER

One whas kill and the sistem had fall. To bad the other one whasn't kill as well. BETHER DEATH THEN COMMUNIST.

[rcljr]

The Cuban people are not rioting because of the embargo, they are rioting because their socialist government has failed them. Socialism does NOT work, if it did, Cubans would have everything they need or want, which is exactly what socialism promises but fails to deliver every time. If socialism worked, socialist countries wouldn’t rely on outside trade, goods or assistance. Buckle up kiddies, you voted for Cuba style socialism when you voted for that idiot biden and mattress back harris.

[ArztSchlachthof]

If your neighbour beats his wife - will you issue an embargo on them and leave them without food or medicine? I think this is the very same situation - even though I can't say for sure the Cuban regime is that oppressive in comparison to some European or American regiments, why would you embargo them and let Cuban people suffer? If it's ideological, embargo China as well and lose all your profits ;)

Hypocrisy and business - the American way.

[nolabels]

I feel for the people of Cuba.

It seems that if the U. S. normalized relations with Cuba, it would only prolong the time before a regime change eventually takes place.

With the way things have been there recently, it may be possible that a regime change is on it's way.

It's a tough situation.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

Nope never. In 1962 the Russians attempted to place nuclear weapons in Cuba aimed at the United States. That touched off a very hostile standoff that almost triggered World War 3.
Because of that incident alone the embargo should continue until the Communists are GONE.
Once they are out then full commerce can be reestablished.

[pjf1958]

The Cuban government is a cold war relic! All were doing is hurting their people. The Mexican drug cartels are far more dangerous to the U. S.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

@pjf1958 I agree with the part about the Mexican drug cartel. But as far as Cuba is concerned come talk to me when the Communists are gone. By the way the cold war is not over. Sure we took a time out for a couple of decades but it's clear that China and Russia do not wish us well. I doubt the communist Cuban government is any different. Not to mention they are right in our backyard.

[Gry_Odegaard]

I would say only lift the embargo if they are not a threat to the National Security of the United States or it's allies in the region

[yofuknutz]

I don't think they are they are too weak to be any kind of threat

[N192K001]

Yes, the decades-enforced sanctions give Havana the scapegoat for their economy's failure, rather than making it undeniably-obvious that it's due to the socialism enforced in the land.

[007kingifrit]

want a wild trip? in the year 2000 bill clinton passed the sanction reform and export enhancement act... we haven't had a real embargo of cuba in 20+ years. america is the #1 exporter of food to cuba

[N192K001]

@007kingifrit Holy Hell‽ For a moment, I thought your were joking, until I found a report on U. S.-Cuba trade from the U. S. Congressional Research Service,
crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46791
the Department of Agriculture, and
www.fas.usda.gov/.../us-agricultural-exports-cuba-have-substantial-room-growth
www.ers.usda.gov/.../
the Census Bureau.
www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2390.html

And while USA Today reports some restrictions (on credit-provision, port-access, U. S. D.-usage, etc.), trade is not impossible. the Census even reports a general growth in trade since 1992.

Stunning… I did not know that. Thanks for the lesson!

[007kingifrit]

yes its a propaganda point of communists to blame the "embargo" when in reality communism just fails everywhere

[Snakeyes7]

No, we put the embargo there because we didn't support governments treating their own people like shit. I guess we do now?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's what they tell you. American government doesn't care about how the Cuban people are treated. You actually think they lose sleep over it?

[doopayo]

@Snakeyes7 historically the US only ever really embargo’s a country if the country doesn’t let the US exploit it for economic gain. For example when the US got mad iraq wouldn’t trade oil with them for cheap and started a war. Trying to make the narrative that they were the good guys fighting for just cause when it was really just for money all along, the same can be said for Caribbean countries such as Cuba

[Snakeyes7]

@doopayo I thought it was due to the Cuban Missle Crisis.

[007kingifrit]

@doopayo i don't trust you know what the term "exploit" means

[Avicenna]

No, the regime can already buy food and medicine with cash. They’ve proven they can’t be trusted to pay on credit and there’s still the issue of expropriation without compensation.

[Sargentcaptain]

Considering Cuba is an authoritarian socialist shithole that sends spies in the US, fuck them and their dictatorship.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Cuba's trying to rid itself of its totalitarian nightmare. Meanwhile, America is becoming one.

[MudRucker]

Not if the oppressive communist regime remains in power.

Why should American dollars support a nation which is against the building of properous privately own businesses?

[Adam1978]

It's trade and no one trade to lose money, so you would earn American dollars by letting people trade, instead of other countries. Your products will also influence the country. What does cost money is an embargo, because it costs money to enforce and doesn't earn you anything for your own country men only less things for the cubans.

[Ryfyle]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Really got to ask yourself why the BIDEN DHS has blocked Cuban Refugees from entering the US. It's a Fun thought.

[Iron_Man]

No just overthrow The evil government like we did in Iraq. Shouldn’t take any more than a day

[Iron_Man]

Then all the Cubans will be free

[Iron_Man]

Maybe the Cubans in Miami will go back as well

[DaveToo]

As long as it remains a Communist state, then the embargo should remain in place.

[ArztSchlachthof]

Would you embargo China as well? Just curious, no intend to offend you 😉

[DaveToo]

@ArztSchlachthof China is part and parcel of why this country is so far in debt. They have stolen our technology, infiltrated our capitalist markets with cheap, (not the same as inexpensive), merchandise. If we embargo everything from China, first of all, the Trump businesses would fold overnight, as would Walmart. Cuba doesn't have such a tight grip on our economy.

[ArztSchlachthof]

So it's all about business, not about ideology? Isn't that hypocrisy?

[DaveToo]

@ArztSchlachthof Call it what you will. We owe China trillions in loans. Compare that to completely shutting down Cuba to prevent them from installing missile bases.

[EnglishEuropean]

It's hard to see what continuing the embargo is achieving.

[pjf1958]

Agreed

[888theGreat]

Yep. We need to normalize relations with Cuba and cut China off at the knees.

[bulletbob555]

I wish they would. It would be good for both countries.

[OddBeMe]

The best way to turn Cuba capitalist would be to trade with them.

[anylolone]

Not at all, nothing you give the cuban regime goes to the people.

[pjf1958]

The same thing is true with the Mexican government

[anylolone]

@pjf1958 I won't disagree.

[anylolone]

@pjf1958 Ok, I'm sorry, not disagreeing is way too little...

Nothing you ever give to any government will ever go to the people., at least as an outside group.
Depending on the government, a portion of the taxes might go back to the population.

[msc545]

Absolutely not. The US involvement would ruin Cuba.

[Anonymous]

No, the Cuban government is the problem. Its not anything that lifting the embargo will fix, although it wouldn't be the worst decision if they did

[Likes2drive]

Yeah they should because it gives us another country to trade exports with

[SaoirseS]

I’m indifferent about it.

[Dargil]

No. I want the Communist dictatorship to collapse.

[jamesgoldman]

Keep the embargo, it'll keep my cigars affordable

[FamilyGuy2020]

Keep the Embargo Going that is my choice

[007kingifrit]

not until the regime changes

[Katewithers]

Yes I think it will be nice!

[007kingifrit]

i hope you have a greater sense of right and wrong than just being nice...

[kevyhanma]

I wish Castro was still alive